@@nomon95 These things aren't used in urban subway environments. These rail systems are exclusively electrically operated. BR Class 50 as seen here does not take this long to start when it's working properly. This is a badly preserved locomotive.
@@paulanderson79 WRONG This was during "The Beast from the East" Also, this loco is using a 1962 (DP2) engine. Mechanical injector system and no cold start aids.
Surprised there was not a bit of help. I have seen a petrol soaked rag used too. I think a bit of something would reduce the litres of unburnt fuel breathed out the exhaust. Maybe even some preheating.
Help me out there, what is that? Just a good rage quit tantrum or something like an additive to put into the engine? I know nothing about this stuff. Obvious, isn't it?
The class 50 has a reputation for sustained heavy smoking exhausts on start up, a preserved railway had a 50 with a shed in a town centre, the railway agreed not to start up the 50 on shed due to the complaints from the public, it would be hauled somewhere else on the line for the startup. Used to live at Hayes on the GW mainline, the 50s would leave Paddington and be reaching line speed of (I think 100 mph) through Hayes station, at 100 mph the50 would fly through the station the EE engine making a memorable deep bass booming sound, delightful!
“Absolutely beautiful music”?, farts sound infinitely more beautiful than this ugly polluting crude-noise maker. Even London Underground trains from the 1920’s looked and sounded attractive than this junk.
I remember seeing these Hoovers thundering through Surbiton at 75 MPH!!!! I can still hear the sound as they hit that bridge just south of the station!!
That white smoke is unburned diesel fuel. The starter is cycling the engine to warm the combustion chambers. Only when you hear the cylinders popping and the smoke changing colors are the cylinders coming on line. They are rarely if ever shut down as long as this old girl was.
If I close my eyes and just listen, I can see an old John Deere A pulling the hay rack out to the field.. What awesome locos these must have been. Thanks for the upload.
I used to rebuild marine Diesels and I laterally have no idea how or why any Diesel would struggle that much to start, and I've started them with blow lamps !
This is typical for an English Electric on a cold morning. Only barely enough compression to fire at all, no glowplugs of any kind. She cranks until a few cylinders start to hit, and then those cylinders keep the engine turning as it gradually warms up and comes alive. Eventually the driver revvs it slightly to get the last few cylinders firing and the engine ready to pull.
Does anyone have any problems with their PD engine messing up the oil really quickly? I think it's because oil pressure is used to activate the injectors, and the oil pressure for that is astronomical!
I wish I could of worked on those old engines love them. Only has a BTEC level 2, but would have had the trust me time for a Diesel Engine on Trains. Love them
Believe me, cold start up of an SNCF CC72000 is worse. I lived in a railwayman's hostel overlooking the stabling point at Nancy a few years ago. At 3am one winter morning I was woken up not by the noise but by the stink of diesel fumes even though the window was closed! A beast of a machine the CC72000, the old hoover is most civilised in comparison, lots of happy memories of watching them on the GWML in Cornwall in the 80s...
@@johngoodale4961 I found this: th-cam.com/video/zMcp8HDn47E/w-d-xo.html I just love the SNCF Voyages inscription on the side at 4.53. Only knobs from marketing who've never seen one in the flesh could be responsable for that...
This Loco is in need of repair, head gaskets injectors etc, i worked with these engines for 10 years as a Shunter at Penzance, and the class 50 Locos would cover 1000 miles in 24 hours every day. Penzance to Paddington, Padd to Birmingham, then to Oxford, then Swansea, back to Padd, then Penzance. This one isn't the norm.
Love the EMT goons in a flap over a bit of clag John ! Good job I wasnt there with my jump leads 'ala 20142 and 37240' if you remember all those years ago John !!!
I remember when this loco was a nice interesting green with a black and gold line down the center and lovely black 'n' brass number plates and name plate...."SIR EDWARD ELGAR"
Yes that's exactly what happened they came flapping with their walkie-talkies thinking it was on fire! The driver was stood cool as a cucumber next to me watching them before they enquired if it had a driver with it!
Reminds me of my Scania V8 143-420 back in the day. It stood like this on a cold winter day for a long time. So i drew the handthrottle back(yes they had one back in the days) and went to shower before I'd take off. Came out, and the poor cold 14,3 liter Scania engine was revving at 2000 rpm. That really hurt me. But no, the engine took no damage. Pew
I grew up around BR and rode the rails all my childhood and adolescence, I enjoy trains but I don't have a clear understanding why the old English Electric, BREL and Sulzer locos are so hard to start even after sitting just a couple of days. Can anyone share why that is?
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that's kind of the way to do it. you see that with my old Chevy in the dead of winter get it going after it did a little starting die a few times crank over crank over once and it was going to stay running and warm up walk back inside have a couple coffee
GBRF have just done a tie up with the 50 fund & 50007 & 50049 are due to emerge from Eastleigh works in full GBRF cols, they are used on railtours & odds & sods stuff really. They are doing a railtour from London - Penzance & back this coming Saturday
Fantastic diesel engine! So Clean Running! Well! It's white smoke! Fantastic pulling machine sure if it's looked after it would never ever stop running
All though very cool and great sounds, I do not understand why diesal trains do not just start up like other diesal vehicals like my van, turn the key and off you go, what is with the 10 minute startup?
Cold 16 cylinder low compression engine (about 10 inch diameter pistons) with no glow plugs or pre-heater relying on compression for engine heat to ignite the diesel, that's why it's a 1 cylinder at a time until it's warmed through until all 16 are merrily firing!
@ RODALCO2007 48 cells 2.2v each giving 105.6v. Auxiliary gen charges and runs the auxiliaries at 110v once up and running. Keep zapping those pesky wasps Sir !!!
It might appear leaving these things ticking all night to be an environmental no no, until you see a cold start-up like this. Damn it and I thought our buses were awkward.
im familiar with class 37s i saw more of them than i did the class 50s or the class 56s when i was a kid id stand on the bridge near to where i used to live and wait for the class 37 loco to pass under the bridge the sound it made was amazing something like a growl or a roar so me being me as a kid called the class 37s growlers
Daft question but I'm not a train afficianado so forgive me. What is the white smoke? Is that unburned diesel? It looks rather like steam. If it is unburned fuel wouldn't everything end up coated in diesel?
The driver takes his finger off the button around 1 min 50 if you look at him. So after that it slowly picks up by itself until most of its 16 cylinders are firing! As for taking power I'd have thought it'd need to warm up for a while!
I was never that fond of them in the 70s and 80s (EE’s earlier work was far better), but actually they’re not bad looking locos. I must be getting old.
16 cylinder engines don't sound too clever when 14 aren't firing.
Yeah we know
Imagine in a depot...
Cesar B all die,the clag is toxic because is fuel vaporizated,not burn,Clag is white colour. Or in a subway station try to start....impossible!
@@nomon95 These things aren't used in urban subway environments. These rail systems are exclusively electrically operated.
BR Class 50 as seen here does not take this long to start when it's working properly. This is a badly preserved locomotive.
@@paulanderson79 WRONG
This was during "The Beast from the East"
Also, this loco is using a 1962 (DP2) engine.
Mechanical injector system and no cold start aids.
The only vehicle that can be spotted from space.
and it's effects felt all around the world (global warming)
This thing wont make any difference just go to the us or china.
J R When you consider that when this pulls a passenger train, it takes 500 cars off the road.
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And they banned drivers from smoking in the cab for health reasons
imagine start this loco in a close station as subway station!!!!
@@nomon95 subway are you a yank?
No ,Argentine. this is a suposition,this loco never can start in a sub station with this clag.
@@nomon95 hahaha the tunnels and stations would be full of unburnt diesel for about a mile either side of the loco
Yeap,agree!!
who new that watching old diesels starting could be so satisfying to watch :P
This is a perfect representation of me trying to get up on a Monday morning
ha lol same
I feel this statement on a spiritual level.
lol, its also a perfect representation of me hours after eating hot curry
What makes Monday so special?
I only start up feeling like this if there's a "d" and a "y" in the day
@@smf333Fortunately I've another 35 years until then so I have no need to worry
A few cans of "Start Ya Bastard" would have helped here.
Surprised there was not a bit of help. I have seen a petrol soaked rag used too. I think a bit of something would reduce the litres of unburnt fuel breathed out the exhaust. Maybe even some preheating.
Help me out there, what is that? Just a good rage quit tantrum or something like an additive to put into the engine? I know nothing about this stuff. Obvious, isn't it?
Thomas Wilkinson it’s ether in a can, used to start up cold Diesel engines
Patricio Garcia and it is really called "Start Ya Bastard?" That tickles my funny bone. 😂Thank you for telling me.
@@thomaswilkinson3241 yes it is, it's sold in canada under that name
The stop/start optional extra was seldom requested on this particular model.
Didn't have it in 1967
@@g8ymw joke went over your head mate
Euro 6?
Hold my beer...
Looks like they've chosen the new pope....😁
😊👌
Yes and his name is Del
Brilliant 😅😅😅
And changed their minds several times
Brilliant👌
The class 50 has a reputation for sustained heavy smoking exhausts on start up, a preserved railway had a 50 with a shed in a town centre, the railway agreed not to start up the 50 on shed due to the complaints from the public, it would be hauled somewhere else on the line for the startup.
Used to live at Hayes on the GW mainline, the 50s would leave Paddington and be reaching line speed of (I think 100 mph) through Hayes station, at 100 mph the50 would fly through the station the EE engine making a memorable deep bass booming sound, delightful!
Summed up perfectly!
Nearby Derby resident - Bugger , I knew I shouldn't have put my clean washing out this morning lol
And most people in the 1800s & 1900s had the same problem with steam!
@@lesreed7943 yeah haha apart from coal smoke doesn't smell much as an odour
I had to use this Engine in 1981 on late turn at Penzance for Shunting, when the pilot 08644 was in for maintenance, didn't smoke much then.
Probably maintained at Plymouth Laira in those days.
Not a mosquito to be found.
Superb comment
Because bugs love winter..
No Greta’s either 😂
this thing makes a steam engine look green!
Beautiful old diesels. Lots of horse power when pushed.
Absolutely beautiful music. Love the way each cylinder pops as it comes to life.
“Absolutely beautiful music”?, farts sound infinitely more beautiful than this ugly polluting crude-noise maker. Even London Underground trains from the 1920’s looked and sounded attractive than this junk.
Who many cylinder's does it have?
Great video of a great locomotive, thanks for sharing 👍🙂😷
Beautiful sounds :-)
A good DJ can make awesome remix with this startup...
Legend has it that even to this day, it's still waiting for the last 6 cylinders to awaken.
Love the way the driver got out at the start like "NOTHING TO DO WITH ME" haha
I like the way the driver gets out and buggers off while waiting for it to start! 😂
I remember seeing these Hoovers thundering through Surbiton at 75 MPH!!!! I can still hear the sound as they hit that bridge just south of the station!!
3:40. The guy “ I’m just going to walk out of this before it blows up” lol
Moron
Close your eyes and it sounds like a Depeche Mode backing track.
That white smoke is unburned diesel fuel. The starter is cycling the engine to warm the combustion chambers. Only when you hear the cylinders popping and the smoke changing colors are the cylinders coming on line. They are rarely if ever shut down as long as this old girl was.
3 days?
Mullay2 You wouldn’t get a 3516 B running like that ...
Lovely job John! Thanks for that!
In fact, here's a few more 👍👍👍👍👍👍on top of the first one!
lovely carbon to help the plants grow, reminds my of my Royal Mail Sherpa van in the eighties.
If I close my eyes and just listen, I can see an old John Deere A pulling the hay rack out to the field.. What awesome locos these must have been. Thanks for the upload.
Damm you're right! It DOES sound like a Johnny popper.
I used to rebuild marine Diesels and I laterally have no idea how or why any Diesel would struggle that much to start, and I've started them with blow lamps !
This is typical for an English Electric on a cold morning. Only barely enough compression to fire at all, no glowplugs of any kind. She cranks until a few cylinders start to hit, and then those cylinders keep the engine turning as it gradually warms up and comes alive. Eventually the driver revvs it slightly to get the last few cylinders firing and the engine ready to pull.
As a kid I used to watch em come into King's Cross and Euston. THUNDEROUS noise 😅
I’ve got the model locomotive 50 007 ,it’s great to hear it start up
just like my golf tdi pd in the morning
fred bloggs same here with my Polo😂👏🏾
150bhp ARL by any chance lol
Those 1.9 PD engines are really nice. Yeah they are loud, but reliable as heck.
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Does anyone have any problems with their PD engine messing up the oil really quickly? I think it's because oil pressure is used to activate the injectors, and the oil pressure for that is astronomical!
Fantastic video dear Friend love it. God bless you. Happy Day
1:50 get the jump leads
Great bit of classic br footage sir, thanks for sharing, all the best, Paul
I wish I could of worked on those old engines love them. Only has a BTEC level 2, but would have had the trust me time for a Diesel Engine on Trains. Love them
Believe me, cold start up of an SNCF CC72000 is worse. I lived in a railwayman's hostel overlooking the stabling point at Nancy a few years ago. At 3am one winter morning I was woken up not by the noise but by the stink of diesel fumes even though the window was closed!
A beast of a machine the CC72000, the old hoover is most civilised in comparison, lots of happy memories of watching them on the GWML in Cornwall in the 80s...
Would love to see footage of one of those!
@@johngoodale4961
I found this:
th-cam.com/video/zMcp8HDn47E/w-d-xo.html
I just love the SNCF Voyages inscription on the side at 4.53. Only knobs from marketing who've never seen one in the flesh could be responsable for that...
As a kid on holiday in France we called these Diesels "blue diesels"due to sncfs colour scheme. They were indeed smokers .
And the Diesel Locomotive was supposed to replace the polluting steam engine!
Don't worry, it's just liters of oil burning up. It moisturizes your respiratory system.
More like line oil companies pockets with money. U can burn anything to make steam
Clearly you've never seen a steam locomotive working hard. Enormous black clouds of soot and bits of unburned coal.
If all those envirment and green people would stop breating it would reduce 50% C02 and the world would be a much better place
David Fuller it was a tounge in cheek remark. Get a sense of humour.
Great video John! I think I am your 600th subscriber lol. Congrats on the milestone! All the best. Cheers Caleb
Thanks Caleb!
This Loco is in need of repair, head gaskets injectors etc, i worked with these engines for 10 years as a Shunter at Penzance, and the class 50 Locos would cover 1000 miles in 24 hours every day. Penzance to Paddington, Padd to Birmingham, then to Oxford, then Swansea, back to Padd, then Penzance. This one isn't the norm.
@7:31 the giant is finally awake and starts taking deep breaths
“I love the smell of diesel first thing in the morning “ !!!
Love the EMT goons in a flap over a bit of clag John ! Good job I wasnt there with my jump leads 'ala 20142 and 37240' if you remember all those years ago John !!!
Ha Ha yes they were great days mate!
BIT of clag?
I remember when this loco was a nice interesting green with a black and gold line down the center and lovely black 'n' brass number plates and name plate...."SIR EDWARD ELGAR"
Looks like the despatch staff havn't seen a 50 start from cold before!
Yes that's exactly what happened they came flapping with their walkie-talkies thinking it was on fire! The driver was stood cool as a cucumber next to me watching them before they enquired if it had a driver with it!
They may never have even seen a loco fire up before. Clearly an interest in railways bars someone from a railway career these days.....
Reminds me of my Scania V8 143-420 back in the day. It stood like this on a cold winter day for a long time. So i drew the handthrottle back(yes they had one back in the days) and went to shower before I'd take off. Came out, and the poor cold 14,3 liter Scania engine was revving at 2000 rpm. That really hurt me. But no, the engine took no damage. Pew
And the environment thanks you that...
What's the starting mechanism? . Is it using a starter motor or a small steam engine to start the diesel engine?
Thank you I so love the class 50
Impressive flame out. You can see why they’ve electrified a lot of the network. Even so you can’t beat a good old hoover
I grew up around BR and rode the rails all my childhood and adolescence, I enjoy trains but I don't have a clear understanding why the old English Electric, BREL and Sulzer locos are so hard to start even after sitting just a couple of days. Can anyone share why that is?
How much oil just to start it?
Fantastic video!
Absolutely wonderful.
Reminds me of starting 16 cylinder Paxman diesel generators in the RN in the 1960’s
To be fair, it’s just like me starting my Chieftain tank in 1978
the driver left the junk and went look for a coffe
Like a boss
Well it’s gunna be about an hour before it gets up to any reasonable temp
JUNK ? How dare you !
Ands they say smoking is bad for your health!
@TOMEK GREENTEA And that silly comment has WHAT, to do with the video? Fool...
My man, I am going to start my loco, wait for me.
*9 minutes*
What an absolute beast!
How does the starter battery keep that up?
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That fine line between starting up and appearing to be on fire....
Loved the way he got out and let the loco get on with it.
that's kind of the way to do it.
you see that with my old Chevy in the dead of winter get it going after it did a little starting die a few times crank over crank over once and it was going to stay running and warm up walk back inside have a couple coffee
I take it, 3 days is a long time for a train to be in shutdown?
Seems similar engine to the 37's engine start. Why do Deltics seem to start so much quicker with much less noise?
Lost my interest in modern rail once the mainstay 50s 33s 56s etc in the 90s. Nice to see them back on the mainline. Are these used regularly?
GBRF have just done a tie up with the 50 fund & 50007 & 50049 are due to emerge from Eastleigh works in full GBRF cols, they are used on railtours & odds & sods stuff really. They are doing a railtour from London - Penzance & back this coming Saturday
As of april 9th 2019 it is still slowly coming to life...
epic thanks for posting
Fantastic diesel engine! So Clean Running! Well! It's white smoke! Fantastic pulling machine sure if it's looked after it would never ever stop running
ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the 2019 Volkswagen 2 litre TDI
Bosch
that is a class 50 not a VW
Now I came to know why locomotives never shut off
All though very cool and great sounds, I do not understand why diesal trains do not just start up like other diesal vehicals like my van, turn the key and off you go, what is with the 10 minute startup?
Cold 16 cylinder low compression engine (about 10 inch diameter pistons) with no glow plugs or pre-heater relying on compression for engine heat to ignite the diesel, that's why it's a 1 cylinder at a time until it's warmed through until all 16 are merrily firing!
@@johngoodale4961 , Thanks for the clear explanation, makes sense now.
Whoa! What's it used for?
Awesome slow start, interesting that diesel railway loco's never had glowplugs installed. Good batteries. 48 or 72 Volts system ?
There is actually a small power station stored in the rear. Batteries would be futile
@ RODALCO2007 48 cells 2.2v each giving 105.6v. Auxiliary gen charges and runs the auxiliaries at 110v once up and running. Keep zapping those pesky wasps Sir !!!
@@MrCsfootage Thank you for your reply. I will keep an eye out for those pesky wasps.
It might appear leaving these things ticking all night to be an environmental no no, until you see a cold start-up like this. Damn it and I thought our buses were awkward.
Tons of different sounds. I couldn't still understand why starting up took so much time? Is there something broken in that vehicle?
im familiar with class 37s i saw more of them than i did the class 50s or the class 56s when i was a kid id stand on the bridge near to where i used to live and wait for the class 37 loco to pass under the bridge the sound it made was amazing something like a growl or a roar so me being me as a kid called the class 37s growlers
Making music, beautiful
Doubt it will make nr 1 😂
@@michaelmartin4144 with some of this modern music, im not so sure lol
@@antonydicesare4632 Bloody right there mate.
Very nice, makes my Detroit seem tame.:)
loving the bardic on the buffer as a light haha
I always wondered if adding a Webasto would help these at startup
8 mins 33 secs of coughing and spluttering. This makes the case for electrifying the MML better than anything!
...and even then it runs like shit
watch a 125 start up
John Dean stfu
No it doesn't
Not if Failing Grayling has his way
Darby express head line "strange mist hangs over darby for several days cause a mystery'
Daft question but I'm not a train afficianado so forgive me. What is the white smoke? Is that unburned diesel? It looks rather like steam. If it is unburned fuel wouldn't everything end up coated in diesel?
Yes unburnt diesel
What are the pops of smoke around 3:00?
Wow! That engine detonates for a long time before it comes up to speed. Sounds like a M&S.
It was definatly "Windows shut" road learning in the back of that I can tell you.....🤣🤣
Love Class 50's, thanks to MSTS
That took forever! At what point in the video could you put traction load on? Also, how does the engine "know" when it's running and to stop cranking?
The driver takes his finger off the button around 1 min 50 if you look at him. So after that it slowly picks up by itself until most of its 16 cylinders are firing! As for taking power I'd have thought it'd need to warm up for a while!
Similar to my three cilinder 1.2 TDI every morning … on a good day!
And they said to you that your e-cigaret is against to low at the platform.
Has it started yet meshift nearly finished?
At what point did the starter finally disengage? That was a slow crank at the start
It's great to see a environmentally friendly company at work! lol....btw, I love trains.
I was never that fond of them in the 70s and 80s (EE’s earlier work was far better), but actually they’re not bad looking locos. I must be getting old.
Amazing capture
impressive. thx for sharing.
This is so satisfying 😊
3:31 " I'M GOING 'OME !!!!" or " I TOLD YOU NOT TO SWITCH IT OFF !"
Great cold start !
I love old Diesel start up engines.