@@richardraynor5242 That's actually interesting, I have very little knowledge on diesel engines. As I understand some cylinders started to properly combust before others, as you can tell by the color of the smoke from each exhaust. So this could mean that cylinders that did good combust pushed the crankshaft and helped other cylinders?
Just the battery. Usually on big locos like this the use the main generator as a starter. Run power through them and the turn, turn ‘em and they make power.
I just watched nearly 9 minutes of someone trying to start a train. if this is not testament to the fact that I'll sit and watch anything late at night when I can't sleep, I don't know what is.
Oddly enough i was just thinking how the ozone layer faired up with all that pollution i reckon its totalled now and the hole in it is now the size of a black hole
Stop concentrating on ONE HEADS, and think about 19000 trees being cut down every minute! A diesel locomotive is only a ONE HEAD! I am sick and tired of people accusing ONE HEADS of harming our planet!
Just love love love the 50's !!! superb sound and remember it so well climbing Sapperton bank - you dont get much better than that - what a sound .......
@@satunnainenkatselija4478 the limit is at 30 minutes for cameras! The 10 minutes are mostly from slow SD cards/storage or sometimes overheating of the camera itself.
@@satunnainenkatselija4478 As Chroni said, it's 30 minutes, not 10. My DSLR's video length is capped at exactly 29:59 for this reason. I happily would've paid the extra tax on my camera model for it to not have an artificial video length. Ah well.
OMG! I remember coming into Selhurst depot to work one morning many year ago and seeing something similar, the fog was so thick you could only see about 3 feet ahead of you, and the smell of diesel! Wow!
Ever see a Budd RDC rail car cold start its Detroit Diesels? The whole area code gets smoked out. No wonder you used to see old diesels sitting around idling all the time in winter.
Adrian Morris Jesus Christ you religious nuts get everywhere! god, jesus and all the rest are as fictitious as superman and batman! 🙄🙄 This is a real locomotive and real smoke, get over yourself!
More trees and plants around he world they filter all that shit out and give us oxygen she should be on a world tour raising cash to grow and plant them everywhere starting in China surely its common sense
Slightly different, but it reminds me of trying to start a Foden 6x6 gun tractor in the workshop yard one winter in the late 80s. 6 Cylinder Rolls Royce Eagle engine and after about 30 secs cranking I got it to fire on one cylinder. The amount of white smoke coming out of the exhaust was like a thick fog bank, couldn't see anything. Think it took me 10 mins before it was running on all 6. Gotta love the smell of unburnt diesel in the morning ;)
DieyoungDiefast sounds very similar to one of my dads old leylands with the eagle in it Miss that smell and the anticipation trying to work out if it would get on the road that day
In BR days the engines were not shut down that often, only for maintenance.I have worked on all types of diesel traction over decades including 50's This was two days ! So we never got to this stage of the 50. Check out the cold start class 60 video. I was on that job. Loco shut down for a week. Flat batteries and ice in the cabs. That took a couple of hours to charge up and run right. It would only run on two cylinders to start with
yeap,started with two cylinders only. But something was wrong,compression rings, or if it have a charger,a ckeck is necesary. took a lot of tme for warm . the batteries is correct,loose a lot of energy in cold days.
awesome! i remember them passing my house some nights helping install the new electric system :( ,,,,such a great noise and the horns were brilliant...oh the good old days.
I work as a volunteer on the Watercress line in Hampshire, we have a class 50 called Lion, it s owned by a private family and I was fortunate enough to be in the cab when they started it up for testing, what a great sound when 16 cylinders come to life!
I think this video should be age restricted it's absolute pure filth!!! I've searched a few times in the past for hoover cold starts and this is definitely best class 50 start up vid i've ever seen. Cheers for uploading. You've done a brilliant job!! :) I really miss the days we had proper loco's instead of all the aweful imported garden sheds and buses on rails like now. Wish i'd been at Derby to see this beast. I'll never forget how happy i felt seeing my first 50 in Waterloo before they got withdrawn from service. :(
rezin8r, that imported yank shit has a proven record of performance and ultra reliability. check out some yank or canadian videos and see the size of the trains in the most efficient rail systems in the world. uk and europe still use coupling systems invented in the early 1800's. english electric locos may have been an equal to yank stuff 60 years ago. since then, the english companies built shit knowing the home market would buy it and allowed quality to drop. fail. the europeans still have faith in hydraulics. fail. even the chinese will import big yank shit. because they are running railways for profit, not fun palaces for us train nerds. by the way it took a while to work out the meaning of your name-very clever. i'm impressed. i'm not easily impressed.
Love the 50s - but they did get very dog eared toward the end of their mainline use. I remember getting into the leading coach of a train at Waterlook in the very late 1980s. A class 50 was pulling and there was a very strong smell of fuel (not exhaust) coming from it. There were a group of anoraks in the very front seats taking bets with one another about where it would fail (as they very often did then). The smell persisted through the journey. I got out at Woking so I don't know who won the bet!
Healthy batteries, too if these start on battery power. I think sometimes they need battery boosters to cold start, but it seems like this one started on its own..
This reminds me of an Austin Montego I had many moons ago! The automatic choke (remember them?) wouldn’t operate when cold, but would suddenly open wide when the engine got hot! It burnt gallons of leaded! 😂
i can't remember where i saw it, but i'm sure i saw a russian crew start a difficult loco under bloody cold conditions by holding a lit diesel soaked rag over the engine intake. it worked a treat. another trick which may or may not work on a diesel was butane. i watched a bloke hold the nozzle of a portable burner gas can down aiming it at the intake while pull starting a flooded chainsaw. the butane got the thing to start in spite of being well and truly flooded by yours truly who had borrowed it of him. he said the trick worked for all engines.
@@g8ymw With a big bang firing order aswell.EE,s were fantastic but were pigs to start and each cylinder to catch.Two pots firing at a time running down the crank from end to end.The turbos blew alot of diesel out which tried to ignite and caused the flames.Love them.
Do you guys leave them running over there in the UK? Here in the states the power usually just sits idling when not used, to keep it warm. Newer locos turn on and off periodically and some have auxiliary engines to keep coolant warm.
Now if there was only a way to pre-heat the engine in day and age?? In our Canadian winter my diesel truck stays in my garage overnight and has a block plus oil pan heater, there is also a heater pad on the transmission pan.
Yes these are preserved & 4 or 5 class 50's come out on the main line occasionally still. There are also class 20's class 37's & 47's still on the main line all be it only a few
I’m surprised that they don’t have immersion heaters in their cooling systems, to keep their cylinder blocks warm. Similarly their sumps. Some big engines have steam trace to mitigate the effects of thermal stressing.
Reminds me of the car I had when I was a student except that loco is a lot easier to start and probably doesnt leak water, oil and brake fluid! It gives a brand new meaning to the term not firing on all cylinders.
Well yeah it would be wen you think of how many people you could get on a train to one locomotive that you have taken a lot of cars off the road cos all the people that would of driven ther cars instead of taking the train so really it is cleaner if you know wat I mean
Why do the engines start so bad when cold? Is it the large displacement ? Aren´t the engines preheated or don´t they have a flame start system in the air intake pipe, like a truck ? As i know the engine oil is pre-heated and the engine is getting pre-lubricated before starting. Greetings from south Germany
I think so plus there's no glow plugs like a car diesel or pre-heating so you're relying on compression to create heat to combust the diesel. Most of the "smoke" is unburnt diesel vapour
Give it a high speed run out to Chesterfield and back, and it'll be fine I've seen D8098 and D5830 start up like this at the Great Central on cold winter mornings in the past, and a couple of hours later they were running perfectly
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A round of applause for the true hero in this story
The battery and his cousin the starter motor
We bow down to your endurance
I found it hard to tell exactly when it was running under its own power 🙂
@@richardraynor5242 That's actually interesting, I have very little knowledge on diesel engines. As I understand some cylinders started to properly combust before others, as you can tell by the color of the smoke from each exhaust. So this could mean that cylinders that did good combust pushed the crankshaft and helped other cylinders?
Just the battery. Usually on big locos like this the use the main generator as a starter. Run power through them and the turn, turn ‘em and they make power.
@@sverek Correct
How about a little starting fluid?
I just watched nearly 9 minutes of someone trying to start a train.
if this is not testament to the fact that I'll sit and watch anything late at night when I can't sleep, I don't know what is.
Surebrec Some of us even watch it, struggling not to fall asleep.
🤣🤣🤣😂
actually it's a *locomotive* - not a 'train'.
@@BlueSteel331 thanks pedant.
Its 1 am mate... this is the 4th loco start video for me tonite
14 icebergs, 3 rainforests and a David Attenborough were killed in the starting of this loco!
Don't be daft this would never kill attenborough hes totally invincible
Funkymonkeypimps 😂😂😂
Most of what you see here is just steam...
I'll pay for the deisel.
Oddly enough i was just thinking how the ozone layer faired up with all that pollution i reckon its totalled now and the hole in it is now the size of a black hole
And there's me cleaning out jam jars and recycling them to save the planet........
Yeah.... But it's the thought that counts
This made me chuckle
Do it for your country
Stop concentrating on ONE HEADS, and think about 19000 trees being cut down every minute! A diesel locomotive is only a ONE HEAD! I am sick and tired of people accusing ONE HEADS of harming our planet!
@@Housephonestimes4 who took jam outa your doughnut? Calm down it was only a joke 👍🏼😂😂😂
Just love love love the 50's !!! superb sound and remember it so well climbing Sapperton bank - you dont get much better than that - what a sound .......
I wish my car would start as quickly and smoothly as this in the mornings.
I wish *I* could start as quickly and smoothly as this in the mornings.
I wish my car would start full stop
Looks like my start in the morning
I wish I had a car
quickly and smoothly hahahahahahaha
I wish I would start this quickly and smoothly every morning
I recon VW got them through emmisions : )
Trev S I don't buy polos at the local sweet shop purely for their emissions😜
Ha, ha brilliant!
@@harrytd
Жақсы кун
VW killed more brits than the Luftwaffe.
EE's ALWAYS we're grumpy when cold and have not improved with age but they are still magnificent.
I liked the way the driver opened the window for some fresh air.
Ja 😂
If they had revved her up a little, this problem wouldn't have lasted 30 minutes. Instead they keep her at dead idle. 😕
I was eagerly awaiting the moment it started to run properly and purr like a finely tuned beast ... but sadly all that happened was the video ended.
@@satunnainenkatselija4478 the limit is at 30 minutes for cameras! The 10 minutes are mostly from slow SD cards/storage or sometimes overheating of the camera itself.
@@satunnainenkatselija4478 As Chroni said, it's 30 minutes, not 10. My DSLR's video length is capped at exactly 29:59 for this reason.
I happily would've paid the extra tax on my camera model for it to not have an artificial video length. Ah well.
All countries: locomotive startup look like an locomotive startup
England: locomotive startup look like an eruption of the Vesuvius...
Definition of EE Diesel loco:
Cross breed of smoke screen generator and flamethrower :-)
Love these old locos!
OMG! I remember coming into Selhurst depot to work one morning many year ago and seeing something similar, the fog was so thick you could only see about 3 feet ahead of you, and the smell of diesel! Wow!
Some say it still isn't running on all cylinders to this day...
If the fuel injection was made by Lucas they are probably right! 🤣
@@grahamstretch6863could be CAV.
The whole of Derby smelt loco 50049 exhaust fumes that morning. Wonderful
That was like an extended intro version of ‘Hot for teacher’ by Van Halen...
Drum solo at intro lol
Jesus Christ the smoke was even coming out of my laptop....cough cough
You can almost taste the unburñed diesel
Ever see a Budd RDC rail car cold start its Detroit Diesels? The whole area code gets smoked out. No wonder you used to see old diesels sitting around idling all the time in winter.
Jesus Christ is sacred.......have respect please.
Adrian Morris
Jesus Christ you religious nuts get everywhere! god, jesus and all the rest are as fictitious as superman and batman! 🙄🙄
This is a real locomotive and real smoke, get over yourself!
He is just joking
This loco has stolen my childhood, how dare you!!!
And my dreams how dare you start it up
We come to you for answers.
What's the answer?
More trees and plants around he world they filter all that shit out and give us oxygen she should be on a world tour raising cash to grow and plant them everywhere starting in China surely its common sense
I'm sure I saw Greater Turdberg splutter8ng her way thro7gh 5hat 😊
my wife said. what are you watching in their?. 9 minutes of filf i said,
Nuff said!
...and that's when the argument started, m'lud.
haha
That’s sensational 😂 mine just asked the same thing
Women are so strange...
Slightly different, but it reminds me of trying to start a Foden 6x6 gun tractor in the workshop yard one winter in the late 80s. 6 Cylinder Rolls Royce Eagle engine and after about 30 secs cranking I got it to fire on one cylinder. The amount of white smoke coming out of the exhaust was like a thick fog bank, couldn't see anything. Think it took me 10 mins before it was running on all 6. Gotta love the smell of unburnt diesel in the morning ;)
DieyoungDiefast sounds very similar to one of my dads old leylands with the eagle in it Miss that smell and the anticipation trying to work out if it would get on the road that day
Great sequencing of popping and banging there John - love the fuel combusts!!
Another typically grumpy, one cylinder at a time, EE cold start. I love 'em!!!!
In BR days the engines were not shut down that often, only for maintenance.I have worked on all types of diesel traction over decades including 50's This was two days ! So we never got to this stage of the 50. Check out the cold start class 60 video. I was on that job. Loco shut down for a week. Flat batteries and ice in the cabs. That took a couple of hours to charge up and run right. It would only run on two cylinders to start with
yeap,started with two cylinders only. But something was wrong,compression rings, or if it have a charger,a ckeck is necesary. took a lot of tme for warm . the batteries is correct,loose a lot of energy in cold days.
That's why you don't shut them down in freezing weather. Great video ! !
How gorgeous! Thanks John, great vid as always!
There's nothing like clean air....and thats nothing like clean air.
That's cause there's nothing like big diesel.
Brilliant rendition of this! Well put together!!
awesome! i remember them passing my house some nights helping install the new electric system :( ,,,,such a great noise and the horns were brilliant...oh the good old days.
Defiance was definitely feeling defiant that day, lol :) Great Job John!!
I work as a volunteer on the Watercress line in Hampshire, we have a class 50 called Lion, it s owned by a private family and I was fortunate enough to be in the cab when they started it up for testing, what a great sound when 16 cylinders come to life!
You either like the environment or heritage diesels... I'll take the trains thanks
I love the environment and nature, but i really love big diesel motors.
Same @Urhark Runa
Don't really have a choice if there's to be a sustainable future
I love trains.... that said Greg is hopelessly what’s wrong with environmental issues
This is like me trying to get up at 4 am on a Monday morning...
It was a relief when he finally opened that throttle a little at 7:03
That's just idle.. the other was with the choker on
Epic start! How long would you have to keep you finger on the starter in this video..?
Engine room, this is the Captain. Make smoke...
Hell yeah we will.
Set a smoke screen!!!!
Warships in WW2 should’ve had this as a smoke generator 🤣
I didn’t know the class 50 was a steam loco.
Show this to the green party bet they'd love it!
No comment on how amazing this is! Good work!
2:01 like seeing flames come out.
Start with only two cylinders,,the othere generates clag ,very flammable,and this is the reason for the splutters and flames
I think this video should be age restricted it's absolute pure filth!!! I've searched a few times in the past for hoover cold starts and this is definitely best class 50 start up vid i've ever seen. Cheers for uploading. You've done a brilliant job!! :) I really miss the days we had proper loco's instead of all the aweful imported garden sheds and buses on rails like now. Wish i'd been at Derby to see this beast. I'll never forget how happy i felt seeing my first 50 in Waterloo before they got withdrawn from service. :(
40145 cold start at Castle Croft is an awesome start up.. slightly different class, but the same kind enough to awesomeness.
rezin8r, that imported yank shit has a proven record of performance and ultra reliability. check out some yank or canadian videos and see the size of the trains in the most efficient rail systems in the world. uk and europe still use coupling systems invented in the early 1800's. english electric locos may have been an equal to yank stuff 60 years ago. since then, the english companies built shit knowing the home market would buy it and allowed quality to drop. fail. the europeans still have faith in hydraulics. fail. even the chinese will import big yank shit. because they are running railways for profit, not fun palaces for us train nerds. by the way it took a while to work out the meaning of your name-very clever. i'm impressed. i'm not easily impressed.
Superb video!
A number of other groups with similar power units are fitting lube oil preheaters. Maybe to be considered in this case?
sounds like my neighbors Harley every morning at 5:00AM!
about time we had smokeless deisel ! good vid thank you
The Euro 6 engine still needs work
Love the 50s - but they did get very dog eared toward the end of their mainline use. I remember getting into the leading coach of a train at Waterlook in the very late 1980s. A class 50 was pulling and there was a very strong smell of fuel (not exhaust) coming from it. There were a group of anoraks in the very front seats taking bets with one another about where it would fail (as they very often did then). The smell persisted through the journey. I got out at Woking so I don't know who won the bet!
And remember, it is against the law to smoke on the platforms.
That is one heck of a starter motor.A block heater and some quickstart would speed the process along.
Healthy batteries, too if these start on battery power. I think sometimes they need battery boosters to cold start, but it seems like this one started on its own..
How I feel starting in mornings!!
This reminds me of an Austin Montego I had many moons ago!
The automatic choke (remember them?) wouldn’t operate when cold, but would suddenly open wide when the engine got hot! It burnt gallons of leaded! 😂
i can't remember where i saw it, but i'm sure i saw a russian crew start a difficult loco under bloody cold conditions by holding a lit diesel soaked rag over the engine intake. it worked a treat. another trick which may or may not work on a diesel was butane. i watched a bloke hold the nozzle of a portable burner gas can down aiming it at the intake while pull starting a flooded chainsaw. the butane got the thing to start in spite of being well and truly flooded by yours truly who had borrowed it of him. he said the trick worked for all engines.
That startup burned enough fuel to fill the tank in my car.
Quite possible, 10 inch bore, 12 inch stroke and 16 of them
@@g8ymw With a big bang firing order aswell.EE,s were fantastic but were pigs to start and each cylinder to catch.Two pots firing at a time running down the crank from end to end.The turbos blew alot of diesel out which tried to ignite and caused the flames.Love them.
Music to my ears!
INDEED!!!!!
Do you guys leave them running over there in the UK? Here in the states the power usually just sits idling when not used, to keep it warm. Newer locos turn on and off periodically and some have auxiliary engines to keep coolant warm.
Wow what a beast! Must have been bloody cold that engine
I’m reckoning Jack Frost had a merry old dance the night before
Beautiful.
Love it thank for sharing
Now if there was only a way to pre-heat the engine in day and age??
In our Canadian winter my diesel truck stays in my garage overnight and has a block plus oil pan heater, there is also a heater pad on the transmission pan.
Yes these are preserved & 4 or 5 class 50's come out on the main line occasionally still. There are also class 20's class 37's & 47's still on the main line all be it only a few
The diesel was trying to spit a fire mixtape before getting to work 😂
At what point does the starter shut off?
Can't help wondering how much diesel was spent on this!
I’m surprised that they don’t have immersion heaters in their cooling systems, to keep their cylinder blocks warm. Similarly their sumps. Some big engines have steam trace to mitigate the effects of thermal stressing.
how many gallons of diesel does it take to start up?
Reminds me of the car I had when I was a student except that loco is a lot easier to start and probably doesnt leak water, oil and brake fluid! It gives a brand new meaning to the term not firing on all cylinders.
Ford, right?
Turbo
“Um, Sir Topham Hatt? This is the main switchboard, sir. There is a Ms Ocasio-Cortez on line one for you.”
David yes its own batteries are the power for starting
Has it started yet?
Most excellent. Pure magic. 🚂🚃🚃🚃
These old girls are frickin bulletproof. Very well-built locomotives.
Simply beautiful ear candy!
looks like the class 50 locomotive of 50049 looks like its struggling to fire up john that way it keeps on spluttering
Nice tune its playing as the smoke fills the nostrils. Id be late for work if my van took that long to start !
Beautiful 😍 🤩 love my deseal train shame see many them but do love watching them ❤❤❤
Amazing diesel engine sound
Damn that's a proper train video!
Ships engines are fitted standard with fuel pre-heating.
Whats its carbon foot print?
Thanks this video
Waiting that 2 part of this engine. Does it finally start?!
Its running for the entire video
3.05 disconnects the jump start battery leads... did these things use glowplugs or just friction of the rings ion the bore to light the diesel?
No pre-heat of any kind here
Take the train it's cleaner and GREENER than the car Lol
I was about to comment this
Well yeah it would be wen you think of how many people you could get on a train to one locomotive that you have taken a lot of cars off the road cos all the people that would of driven ther cars instead of taking the train so really it is cleaner if you know wat I mean
@@benconway9010 I know that this comment could use a few bits of punctuation...
Damn. Loved the 50's.
Why do the engines start so bad when cold? Is it the large displacement ? Aren´t the engines preheated or don´t they have a flame start system in the air intake pipe, like a truck ? As i know the engine oil is pre-heated and the engine is getting pre-lubricated before starting. Greetings from south Germany
No pre-heat here just a large cold V16 coming to life slowly
Amazing video quality
Silly question but I’ll ask anyway, way fo diesel trains do this but not other Diesel engines, is it because of their size ?
I think so plus there's no glow plugs like a car diesel or pre-heating so you're relying on compression to create heat to combust the diesel. Most of the "smoke" is unburnt diesel vapour
Sounds like my father-in-law's treasured but neglected 5 Series.
G W Awdrey wrote ".. a fill of oil, a touch of the starter, and off I go!" Obviously he summarised.
Technically one could hook up a Diesel Locomotive to the power grid and use it for electrical power in a small town.
Are these preserved? Or is there anything of this generation still in use on regular lines?
Yeah this is preserved. It's 50 years old and none work regular usage
My old Renault\Dodge Commando used to start like this.
And to add you dont get this on hornby DCC sound lol
How long is the starter engaged?
The driver looks to take his thumb off the start button about 2 minutes 18 seconds into the video
Very good video
It's still only running on about 8 by the end. Didn't EE fit glowplugs?
Nope, just a decompressor ( valve lifter)
That is actually more smoke than the old Metro-vicks (Class 28) used to produce!
I love watching these english locos struggle to cold start and warm up with all the sputtering and backfiring
Do these big diesels have some sort of cold starting system like maybe giant glowplugs?
Some have pre-heaters that have been retro fitted, these heat the water system. This one though hasn't
Give it a high speed run out to Chesterfield and back, and it'll be fine
I've seen D8098 and D5830 start up like this at the Great Central on cold winter mornings in the past, and a couple of hours later they were running perfectly
At what point does the starter disengage and the motor runs by itself?
About 2 mins 18 secs you can see the driver take his finger off the button