She's not changed.. I had her on a ballast job in the late 90's. She stood in Willesden Brent sidings for over a week until I fired her up, she was smoking like a good un back then.couldn't see the yard for smoke.
Smoke is unburned hydrocarbons sprayed into the environment. Terrible pollution. Greta Thunberg has decreed that polluting locos should be cut for scrap and recycled.
@@pistonbroke0461 It (not she) will still emit large amounts of particulates when warm. And C02 contributing to global warming. It/they need to be sliced apart into small pieces with cutting torches and recycled.
@@PreservationEnthusiast Who cares? She's ( Locos are always female to railwaymen ) been emitting large amounts of CO2 way before you were probably born. As I said before, F. Thunberg.
This is why these beasts used to be started by my grandfather in Aberdare yard at midnight in really cold conditions probably -15 in the 60s to prevent this
I'm slightly amazed that all that unburnt fuel doesn't catch fire when the flames occasionally shoot out. Probably because it's diesel rather than petrol.
Absolutely right disel does not catch fire like petrol. Diesels in good condition give a cleaner burn than petrol, BUT, not on start up, especially when very cold. One reason why diesel cars are not popular in the Dtates. They will not even start in extremely cold weather.
@@Janx101 LOL....that was a fair hit !!!! But now they betrayed also with gasoline engines....these suckers. Good i let them down a few years ago and drive happily a Lexus Hybrid
No. The loco in the clip is a Class 37. The Deltics were Class 55. They were bigger, faster and more powerful. There are several Deltics active in preservation including 55022 Royal Scots Grey, 55009 Alycidon, and 55019 Royal Highland Fusilier and lots of videos of them on YT
Reminds me of the old 2 cylinder air cooled wisconsin starting up in fall when I need to rototill the garden. The loco needs a torch in the exaust to burn off that unburned fuel.
Its cool and all but you cant ignore the fact that its terrible for the environment, very immature and childish to have your opinion. You are supposed to be an adult
Flames,,of course,,,is absolutely normal,,,bacause clag is very flammable,,a little spark in the exhaust lights the clag and flames,y watches an other video,30 flames until the engine warms.
@@BritishTrainspotting There's many groups that have had pre-heaters fitted to their heritage loco's now. A pre heater is cheaper than bearrings and pistons etc.😀
Old turbocharged 12 cylinder diesel. Those flames aren't good for them. However, they take a lot to get started. Just like the old Jimmy's do. You spin them to get the cylinders hot and then feed them fuel. Start up just fine.
Sorry silly question, but why did the similar looking Deltic's engine start so easily and with so little noise compared to the Class 37 EE engines? Were they comparable in power? I prefer the 37 personally. Sounds like an angry monster just waking up.
The Napier Deltic is a supercharged two stroke, so it has boost pressure from idle. These things don't get good pressure until the turbo spins up. But how is it started? One reference says it has a cartridge starter and that the cartridge firing basically kicks it over hard and it fires right up. Once I found that I searched and found the Ton class minesweepers were also started that way, same Deltic engines. But the discussion there said that the Deltics only need kicking over and fire right up, hot or cold. So I'm going with the two stroke and supercharger being the reason they start so well.
Napier has 2 smaller high speed 2 stroke diesels compared to EE lump in class 37 that has much larger pistons heads ect . Deltic needs to be super charged as its 2 stroke with no natural scavanging unlike the 4 stroke in the 37 , class 37 would start ans run ok with no turbos (not make much power ) so they have no effect on start up We once trialed a class 31 (same engine) with no turbos for working light engineering trains , loadbanked it but not a success though ,power was abysmal but it run ok
No they don't. They were built in a time when diesel was seen as a manufacturing byproduct. It so cheap they kept the engines on tick over and never really shut them down.
That's normal for diesel engines in the cold and especially large ones as they take a long time to warm up. The low temperature means that the pistons and rings have shrunk lowering compression (this effect is exacerbated in larger engines). The fuel is thick causing poor fuel atomization. The colder air also condensates more when warm air hits it just like seeing steam on your breath. all of these things and more contribute to the smoke and steam you can see from the exhaust. Where I live in the US it often reaches -23 degrees celsius and after staring a semi truck here it can sometimes take 20 minutes or more from starting the engine for the smoke to completely stop with a healthy engine.
Trusty old iron Thanks for that explanation ! Makes sense. I’m no eco warrior but chucking out that much clag isn’t good. Not particularly efficient either !
@@kevinlynch1227 It's for much the same reason a gasoline engine will shoot flames. The fuel is being injected into the cylinders but it's not burning because of the reasons mentioned in the previous comment. Some of the unburnt fuel will escape to the air through the exhaust but a lot will collect in it until it's ignited by another cylinder firing. The residual fuel burning in the exhaust are the flames.
When these were built in the early 1960s, oil was cheap so they just assumed the engine would be left idling the whole time. They didn’t install preheaters because the UK rarely gets so cold that the loco won’t start... eventually.
This is for all people who post, cold starts. All engines start hot or cold and a engine has no feelings. Some engines are harder to start hot than cold. Whats the big deal either way!!!!
When I was a fireman out of eastfield traction depot springburn Glasgow 1974 in the winter the class 37s and 27 and class 20 were never shut down they ran 24/7 if you shut them down you would never get them started again on a night shift the yard was covered in a thick plume of diesel fumes we Greta would have had a heart attack if she had seen it 😂😂
I have seen quite a few of these cold start vids and I don't understand why locomotives are so shit a cold starting. With diesrl engines the greater the indervidual cylinder capacity the easier they should be to start. So why do trucks in North America start and there lococos don't. Why dose every small diesel start when a loco engine struggles to run at a few degrees below zero Please enlighten me
The locomotives have a very large lubrication oil capacity and a very large coolant capacity that takes some time to get up to temperature. This can be sorted by using pre-heaters but these 60 year old locos didn't have these. Thanks for commenting.
Greta, is correct. These polluting locos need to be sliced with cutting torches and the scrap recycled. Schnitt das Lokomotivens mit acetylen-brenners. Danke für das schrottsplatzbilders!
No smoke rings,,no. the engine starts in two cylinders,,,the others generates clag very flammable,,,,ten minutes to warm.. smoke rings;blue colour,,,a lot of fuel:Black smoke... a lot of cylinders that not work:this case,,,white smoke.
Always something spectacular in store when you combine English Electrics and cold weather. Great video.
Thanks for your comment.
Class 37s in large-logo blue are possibly the best-looking diesels that have ever worked in Britain. Just saying.
Agreed.
Yessir!
50s
47s
Completely agree
Can't disagree.
What music do u listen to?
Me: it's complicated
She's not changed.. I had her on a ballast job in the late 90's. She stood in Willesden Brent sidings for over a week until I fired her up, she was smoking like a good un back then.couldn't see the yard for smoke.
😁
Smoke is unburned hydrocarbons sprayed into the environment. Terrible pollution. Greta Thunberg has decreed that polluting locos should be cut for scrap and recycled.
@SteamlocoScrapper She's just a bit cold, it'll clear when she's warmed up.
P.S. **** Thunberg.
@@pistonbroke0461 It (not she) will still emit large amounts of particulates when warm. And C02 contributing to global warming.
It/they need to be sliced apart into small pieces with cutting torches and recycled.
@@PreservationEnthusiast Who cares?
She's ( Locos are always female to railwaymen ) been emitting large amounts of CO2 way before you were probably born.
As I said before, F. Thunberg.
This is why these beasts used to be started by my grandfather in Aberdare yard at midnight in really cold conditions probably -15 in the 60s to prevent this
This and an Merlin engine are just heaven too listen too.
Love that sound! Reminds me of a old Alco locomotive from the USA.
Glad you enjoyed this.
Thanks for commenting.
Lovely looking train, loved these as a kid.
I'm slightly amazed that all that unburnt fuel doesn't catch fire when the flames occasionally shoot out. Probably because it's diesel rather than petrol.
On some of them, it does
Absolutely right disel does not catch fire like petrol. Diesels in good condition give a cleaner burn than petrol, BUT, not on start up, especially when very cold. One reason why diesel cars are not popular in the Dtates. They will not even start in extremely cold weather.
I love to watch the moment/process when the dead piece of steel starts to be alive.
It's AMUSING to listen to a powerful beast get up to snuff!!!
It takes some time when its cold.
Thanks for commenting Jon.
I would pay good money to watch a 37 start up
Das ,ist das schönste das ich je hörte!!
Certified Clean Diesel. I Love It!!!
She's a beauty, what a lovely sight.
A literal cold startup
1:56 BREATHS FIRE
That did DRAGON a bit
I love it. The people here in Germany wold get an heartattack. Especially the Greens...
:-))
Thumbs up!
It would take pressure off the VW factory though!
@@Janx101 LOL....that was a fair hit !!!! But now they betrayed also with gasoline engines....these suckers. Good i let them down a few years ago and drive happily a Lexus Hybrid
They would reading that dope comment
Your dialogue is a misrepresentation of all the good British spirit made possible...
It is a bloody shame.
That engine driver is raping his engine.
"Daddy, what is nature?"
Shut up, I am fox hunting.
@@jacovanlith5082
I don't like the Greens and the environmentalists.
must have massive batterys and bloody good starter motors
It has both, thanks for your comment.
I like the flash of flames
I'm NO train buff, but they were my faves as a kid and still are.
We're they called Deltic?
No. The loco in the clip is a Class 37. The Deltics were Class 55. They were bigger, faster and more powerful. There are several Deltics active in preservation including 55022 Royal Scots Grey, 55009 Alycidon, and 55019 Royal Highland Fusilier and lots of videos of them on YT
Cheers for info Dave.
Flames were amazing.
Go on Girl, you can do it!
"Don't try this at home" Damn, can't run the one I have in my back garden then...
Lovely bit of clag & the last flame popped/banged lol
Beautiful things.
Love it, but thought the video was too shortened. I could have watched/listened to this for an hour.
Reminds me of the old 2 cylinder air cooled wisconsin starting up in fall when I need to rototill the garden. The loco needs a torch in the exaust to burn off that unburned fuel.
Looks n sounds awsome!!!!
Has anybody calculated the amount of cancer causing fine particles emitted from the exhaust? Could the engine be preheated somehow?
This was a long time ago and we have learned from our mistakes.
Thanks for your comment .
I don't think anyone gives a flying fudge! 😂😂😂
Absolute hellfire of the purest form
Thank you.
Thanks for commenting.
-10C doesn't seem too bad. I'm just glad my truck starts at -30F
"Don't try this at home"
Bold you to assume I have trains in my backyard
Awesome flame!
Why don’t these diesels have glow plugs to assist cold starting
Heep big chief from tribe in next village says party tonight at his, this is chief 37 's reply PMSL
do they all sound like my moped starting up in the morning like that
Fantastic 👍🏻
amazing enjoy it while you can
10 polar bears exploded after this was started :D
awsome machine!
Not to mention it ate 3 whales equal of oil to start. Ahhh, i can smell the burning bottoms of treehuggers from here.
Polar bears are overrated anyway!
Lovely stuff! Love to hear those eco-warriors squeal........
Its cool and all but you cant ignore the fact that its terrible for the environment, very immature and childish to have your opinion. You are supposed to be an adult
@@adamrouse7930 U mad, bro?
@@adamrouse7930 1 loco isn't gonna wreck the o-zone layer. Calm down.
Flames,,of course,,,is absolutely normal,,,bacause clag is very flammable,,a little spark in the exhaust lights the clag and flames,y watches an other video,30 flames until the engine warms.
Starting it at those cold temps, just think of all that engine wear!Unless you got a pre-heater fitted ofcourse ;)
Most UK Diesel locos usually do
Its a heritage loco, no pre-heaters back in the 60s!
@@BritishTrainspotting There's many groups that have had pre-heaters fitted to their heritage loco's now. A pre heater is cheaper than bearrings and pistons etc.😀
"DON'T Try this at home." - as if we would !
Somebody should video this and put it on TH-cam. Oh, wait...
"Come on! COME ON!! Start, ya bastard. START!!!"
Sounds like something James May would say ?.
Thanks for your comment.
Great video 37025 is my favourite along side 37419+37425
I would like to get all the diesel locos take them all to london on a cold morning and start them all up and see what sadiq and greta think of that!!😊
I don't think we would get away with that but thanks for your comment David.
What’s actually happening here . Is it turning over , starting, warming up. Failing to start?
Starting up to work a train.
It’s amazing how we now have this deiesel in Cardiff. Or do we?
I guess the concept of a block heater has popped up on their radar as yet.
Pe-heaters will be fitted to English electric Class 37 at Bo'ness soon.
Pre heat does not exist I assume?
I remember the cold weather of winter 2009/10, where it snowed widely and heavily throughout the UK. I think the snow came just after Christmas.
We consider it the last winter
This is beautiful
why does it always sound like they have only one cylinder when they start up?
And how many cylinders are there on these engines?
The engine has twelve cylinders that don't like a cold start.
I am very confused. Don't these engines have glow plugs?
No glow plugs fitted to 1960s locos.
Thats why they pop and bang during cold start.
Thanks for commenting Christian.
Like my transit van on a winter morning 😳😂😂🧱👍🏼
Yep I have a mk5 transit she's like this too
Alan Adair 😂😂🧱👍🏽
Old turbocharged 12 cylinder diesel. Those flames aren't good for them. However, they take a lot to get started. Just like the old Jimmy's do. You spin them to get the cylinders hot and then feed them fuel. Start up just fine.
1cyl at a time.
yes,,,the correct answer.
Typical EE - and truly wonderful!!!!!
Those Napier Deltics had no spark but lotsa fire one at a time.
The engine firing sequence is 12-8-6-7-5-3-9-2-10-4-11-1 (where's the dash stands for "one per each 3 revs")
That’s a beauty. Just been wax polished.
This was many years ago but the loco should be back to full life very soon.
Thanks for your comment Jack.
Why do they take so long to start up .
They don't like the cold weather.
These locos are sixty years old !.
Thanks for commenting Keith.
Do you start these things off batteries? That cranked for ages, it must have been a huge battery pack!
Its a very large battery pack.
Lol 😂
@Pedro DLR No, they use batteries to run the main generator in reverse as a starter motor.
And strong starters as I would expect it to have twin starter system
Sorry silly question, but why did the similar looking Deltic's engine start so easily and with so little noise compared to the Class 37 EE engines? Were they comparable in power? I prefer the 37 personally. Sounds like an angry monster just waking up.
The Napier Deltic is a supercharged two stroke, so it has boost pressure from idle. These things don't get good pressure until the turbo spins up. But how is it started? One reference says it has a cartridge starter and that the cartridge firing basically kicks it over hard and it fires right up. Once I found that I searched and found the Ton class minesweepers were also started that way, same Deltic engines. But the discussion there said that the Deltics only need kicking over and fire right up, hot or cold. So I'm going with the two stroke and supercharger being the reason they start so well.
Napier has 2 smaller high speed 2 stroke diesels compared to EE lump in class 37 that has much larger pistons heads ect . Deltic needs to be super charged as its 2 stroke with no natural scavanging unlike the 4 stroke in the 37 , class 37 would start ans run ok with no turbos (not make much power ) so they have no effect on start up
We once trialed a class 31 (same engine) with no turbos for working light engineering trains , loadbanked it but not a success though ,power was abysmal but it run ok
HERE IM AN OLD CLASS 37 COUGHING SPLUTTERING BLOWING SMOKE RING I HATE COLD MORNING PLAYS HAVOC WITH MY PISTONS LOL
Where was the cranking?
Great video, shame about the captions though.....
An excellent loco!!
Do these engines not have "heater" plugs like diesel cars do?
No they don't. They were built in a time when diesel was seen as a manufacturing byproduct. It so cheap they kept the engines on tick over and never really shut them down.
The batterys must be huge
When it’s trying to start it sounds like a steam train 😃
I agree. Thanks for your comment.
That engine has to be knackered to smoke like that for so long.
Worn injectors, rings, valves ?
That's normal for diesel engines in the cold and especially large ones as they take a long time to warm up. The low temperature means that the pistons and rings have shrunk lowering compression (this effect is exacerbated in larger engines).
The fuel is thick causing poor fuel atomization.
The colder air also condensates more when warm air hits it just like seeing steam on your breath.
all of these things and more contribute to the smoke and steam you can see from the exhaust.
Where I live in the US it often reaches -23 degrees celsius and after staring a semi truck here it can sometimes take 20 minutes or more from starting the engine for the smoke to completely stop with a healthy engine.
Trusty old iron
Thanks for that explanation !
Makes sense.
I’m no eco warrior but chucking out that much clag isn’t good.
Not particularly efficient either !
@@lewis72 Absolutely. It's not particularly good for the engine and they use quite a bit extra fuel when it's happening.
@@trustyoldiron5416 Thanks so much for your explanation but I also wanted to ask you, why do the Flames come out of the exhaust??
@@kevinlynch1227 It's for much the same reason a gasoline engine will shoot flames. The fuel is being injected into the cylinders but it's not burning because of the reasons mentioned in the previous comment. Some of the unburnt fuel will escape to the air through the exhaust but a lot will collect in it until it's ignited by another cylinder firing. The residual fuel burning in the exhaust are the flames.
Can't understand why there isn't an easier way to get these fired up.
We are investing in power unit pre-heaters for our Class 37s.
That should stop this poor cold start up.
Thanks for your comment Chris.
Does the 12CSVT have cylinder preheaters?
Unfortunately no.
Why does it take so long for them to start up?
@SpeedbirdConcorde Thankyou
When these were built in the early 1960s, oil was cheap so they just assumed the engine would be left idling the whole time. They didn’t install preheaters because the UK rarely gets so cold that the loco won’t start... eventually.
Sounds a bit like horse shoes running on concrete 😂
Wait till you hear the Valenta!
You finally got smart and started her up outside, eh?
We did.
Thanks for commenting.
This is for all people who post, cold starts. All engines start hot or cold and a engine has no feelings. Some engines are harder to start hot than cold. Whats the big deal either way!!!!
Does the train still exist ?
Yes, its been working on the British Railway network for the last five years.
It's preserved
It’s aliiiiive, IT’S ALIIIIIVVEE!!
It's still Alive and Kicking in 2022.
th-cam.com/video/ljrP8dW91q8/w-d-xo.html
1:51 Flames!
Yes, flames from a diesel.
A bit like our old Bristol VR2 double-decker starting...sure it's not a Gardner 6LX in there????
British rail actively striving to reduce emissions. As you can see they are winning the battle for cleaner air......well done , keep it up.😊
Was macht diese Lok ?
When I was a fireman out of eastfield traction depot springburn Glasgow 1974 in the winter the class 37s and 27 and class 20 were never shut down they ran 24/7 if you shut them down you would never get them started again on a night shift the yard was covered in a thick plume of diesel fumes we Greta would have had a heart attack if she had seen it 😂😂
Thanks for commenting Thomas.
Some of my Eastfield photos from the late 70s and 1980's can be seen in this link:
realrail.smugmug.com/Trains
rock on 37 ! Heavy Metall !
Thanks.
蒸気機関車？
Hoe kun je zo een motor ontwerpen, belachelijk 😯😯😯
hellfire exhaust!
I have seen quite a few of these cold start vids and I don't understand why locomotives are so shit a cold starting. With diesrl engines the greater the indervidual cylinder capacity the easier they should be to start. So why do trucks in North America start and there lococos don't. Why dose every small diesel start when a loco engine struggles to run at a few degrees below zero
Please enlighten me
The locomotives have a very large lubrication oil capacity and a very large coolant capacity that takes some time to get up to temperature.
This can be sorted by using pre-heaters but these 60 year old locos didn't have these.
Thanks for commenting.
My Harley starts the same way.
What pig iron.
Gosh yes fantastic
Thanks for your comment.
And they got rid of steam for this?
Give her a chance. If you were standing in -10c temps you'd blow a little smoke out too lol
*Steam locomotives needed more crew and made New York ( US ) full of fog because of their smoke.*
It even breathes fire!!!
i love her!! xx
Good!
Not good but excellent.
Install some Volkswagen firmware and it’ll pass the emissions test
Greta Thunberg has just exploded...
Good
@@beardy951 I love these locos, but knowing what we know now im not sure these pumping fumes are the future?
Can't beat a bit a clagg in the morning...😆😆
Greta, is correct. These polluting locos need to be sliced with cutting torches and the scrap recycled.
Schnitt das Lokomotivens mit acetylen-brenners. Danke für das schrottsplatzbilders!
@@PreservationEnthusiast Greta can Dixie phiffen...😆😆
Is that Norwich.... Crown Point
wow ,nein so klingt das Universum .Nice!!!!!
On ne passe pas de la vapeur au diesel sans quelques concession et nostalgie
No smoke rings,,no. the engine starts in two cylinders,,,the others generates clag very flammable,,,,ten minutes to warm.. smoke rings;blue colour,,,a lot of fuel:Black smoke... a lot of cylinders that not work:this case,,,white smoke.
Wheres greta when ya need her!