Magnificent piece of History. This unit is not only visually pleasing but audibly as well plus the added bonus of providing emergency standby power to your home and family. Money well spent. My one question is .. should your thumb not be on the same side as your fingers when crank starting the engine to prevent accidents in the event of a kickback similar to cranking a model-T ? Greetings from Ontario, Canada.
I do hope I am wrong but in the UK we have heard you may have problems where you live. When someone has spent so much time and care on an old Lister it would be very, very sad if you had to leave it - and everything else. I wish you all the best for the future and do take care. Regards - JP
Hi JP. Thanks for your comment! We were removed from our farm in Zimbabwe in 2014 and we managed to bring this beauty along to South Africa where we now live.
@@mannastander7209 It looks like a nice place you have managed to build for yourself in only a few years. Funny, i had same feeling as JP watching your video. I hope you don't have to move again, but if you still need to move somewhere, i would recommend applying to Poland or Hungary if western countries drag their feet. These two countries are building a good future for themselves. Anyways, thank you for posting this video for all the Lister enthusiasts, and i hope whatever happens, that you and your family will manage to go through it in one piece!
Didn't see you unscrew the compression raiser after starting it. Apart from starting, it should always run with it screwed out ( ie in the lower compression mode.)
how much would a engine set up like this cost? i have someone who quoted me R15 000 for an old complete one. he says it can run but i want to service it.
Also another question I see you have a thermosiphon cooling system with a metal 55 gallon drum. Is the drum open on the top and how long could you run the engine continuously with that much water as cooling without it heating up too much or does it stay cool enough for continuous running? I heard that these engines like to run around 180-190° F Also if the drum is open top how long can you run it until you need to add water?
Hi Ben. It is a 200 litre (44 imperial galons) galvanised drum. It doesn't get that hot in the region that I live (about 1400m above sea level). During the times that I have used it, about 2 to 3 hours at a time at light to medium load, it did not even heat the whole drum. Bear in mind that this is for occasional use where the water will cool down completely between use. This is perhaps not ideal as the engine probably runs below optimal operating temperature which may result in increased wear. Or perhaps the thermal syphon is slow enough for the head and barrel to be close to optimal temperature? I'm speculating now. In its previous setting (380m above sea level) where it would get quite hot during summer (35 celsius and above) and when it was used as a prime power generator it used to run about 4 hours a day, usually in early evening, at medium load. When used like this the water would not cool down completely between sessions and would stay warm to touch. During very hot days the water would start steaming/evaporating from the drum, which is probably a good thing because evaporation results in cooling. We would then occasionally add cool fresh water to aid in cooling, however I doubt this was really necessary. In my current setup the drum has a lid at the top (about 40cm across) which I had to cut in order to install the pipe fittings. This lid stays closed to avoid dirt entering the water, but if ever I need to run the engine regularly under load then I would open it to allow evaporation to aid cooling. So depending on load, setting, altitude you can vary the design of the cooling system. Mine is probably overkill in its current form. I have also seen applications where these engines are fitted with conventional radiators with a belt driven (or electrical) fan for cooling. This is much more compact and maybe a good idea if space is tight. Remember to add a temperature guage when going this route.
Martin Stevens Hi. Baie dankie man! Dis 'n 6/1 sover volgens sy plaatjie, maar hy het die twin se flywheels op om 'n bietjie meer stabiele kraglewering te kry (minder flikkering in ligte). Hy moet eintlik die flywheels met die dun speke op hê. Ek dink hy het 'n oversized staal piston in... Groete!
O ja dan is dit reg. Ek het 'n 6/1 Start-O-Matic enjin wat die swaarder flywheels het. Ongelukkig het die oorspronklike base en alternator verlore geraak toe die enjin later in sy lewe gebruik was om water te pomp. Ek was gelukkig om 'n Hoffberg alternator in die hande te kry om weer 'n generator stel aanmekaar te sit.
Hier is een van die videos: th-cam.com/video/2o6lEUi1cbY/w-d-xo.html Daar is 'n hele paar ander ook. (Die channel naam is my naam.) Baie van die videos het ek gemaak vir die forum waaraan ek behoort. Ek dink jy sal dit interessant vind: www.listerengine.com My topic thread van die restourasie: listerengine.com/smf/index.php?topic=7426.0
Hi Jason. This is a 5kW Hoffberg, admittedly too big for this engine, but it is what I had so I opted to limit the load by installing a 10A breaker. I don't have a voltage regulator on this setup, but I carefully manage the load so that I don't get voltage spikes. This only works if someone responsible (like yourself) manages the setup and running of the generator. If you want to make it fool proof then it may be best to install one... Please let me know if you decide to install one and how it works? This alternator was previously used in conjunction with a Lister SR 2 cylinder in a prime power setup on our farm. The engine handled load fluctuations quite well so it was never necessary to install a voltage regulator. The current Lister CS 6/1 doesn't handle fluctuations all that well and can easily jump from 220V to 240V + if the load suddenly changes before it then settles back to around 230V. So my setup is not ideal nor fool proof, but it works for me. I also have a Honda 4kW generator with all the necessary safety gear for fool proof operation... Stay well :-)
Thanks. I got my spares through a guy close to Ventersdorp, South Africa. If you're interested, leave your email address here and I'll email you his details.
Is yours bolted to the concrete floor? Do you know how thick your concrete is? I have a 12/2 that needs to be mounted and I don’t know how thick the concrete should be.
Hi Ben. Yes, mine is bolted to a dedicated reinforced concrete plinth that is about 800mm thick and the surface is about 1.5m long and 1m wide. The anchor bolts, which are welded together in a submerged sub-frame, extend about 500mm into the plinth. I got these dimensions from a local owner's manual that accompanied these engines in South Africa. A mistake I made was to let the plinth touch my house and this sends the engine's vibrations through the building. If I was to do it again then I would leave a gap between the plinth and the house so that the vibrations would not be transferred into the building. These vibrations can cause all sorts of damage so keep in mind when designing yours. Stay well! Manna
@@mannastander7209 A local concrete company near me makes these large concrete blocks they call waste blocks they weigh 3600 pounds apiece and are approximately 18” wide by 24” tall by I think 4 feet long. They sell them for around $55 a block. Do you Think if I used 2 or 3 of those buried in the ground I could bolt my 12/2 to that?? Right now it is bolted to 4 pressure treated 6x6’s. Just sitting on the ground in my barn. I would most likely bolt the 6x6’s to the concrete blocks because the fly wheels so large that they are actually lower than the 6x6’s and the generator head is also mounted to them.
Hi Bernard. Dankie vir die vraag! Die enjin se pulley deursnit is 32 cm en die alternator se pulley deurnit is 14 cm. Beide is b-section pulleys as ek reg onthou. Groete en lekker bou!
@@mannastander7209 Hallo Manna. Hoop dit gaan goed. Ek het besluit om nie meer een te bou nie maar het op een af gekom. Het jy Facebook? Ek wil jou fotos stuur. Groete.
Hi. With this setup I have limited the load to 10A. If I remember correctly, when doing the initial calculations the max load came to around 12A, but I opted to install a (conservative) 10A breaker to be on the safe side.
Hi AB. This was at 220V. I would say you can work on between 2500 and 3000 Watts continuous load without stressing the engine. Remember, although heavy and large, this engine produces only 6hp which is about 4.4kW at peak power. Also, the engine's reaction time is slow, so if your load varies a lot then you will get a lot of voltage fluctuation, unless of course you have an alternator with AVR. I don't, I still use a 1950s old school alternator :-)
@@mannastander7209 Hi. Thanks for the information. Can you run biodiesel in your engine? If yes, how does it perform compared in performance to conventional diesel fuel?
It's nice seeing it all together on original plinth. Well done and thanks.
Thanks for the compliment!
Beautiful, we grew up with an identical setting. Brings a lot of memories!
Bring me a lot of memories in my childhood. Thank me for sharing. ❤
Dis darm maar mooi om te luister. Dankie vir die video. Trots Suid - Afrika
Magnificent piece of History. This unit is not only visually pleasing but audibly as well plus the added bonus of providing emergency standby power to your home and family. Money well spent. My one question is .. should your thumb not be on the same side as your fingers when crank starting the engine to prevent accidents in the event of a kickback similar to cranking a model-T ? Greetings from Ontario, Canada.
I do hope I am wrong but in the UK we have heard you may have problems where you live. When someone has spent so much time and care on an old Lister it would be very, very sad if you had to leave it - and everything else. I wish you all the best for the future and do take care. Regards - JP
Hi JP. Thanks for your comment! We were removed from our farm in Zimbabwe in 2014 and we managed to bring this beauty along to South Africa where we now live.
@@mannastander7209 It looks like a nice place you have managed to build for yourself in only a few years. Funny, i had same feeling as JP watching your video. I hope you don't have to move again, but if you still need to move somewhere, i would recommend applying to Poland or Hungary if western countries drag their feet. These two countries are building a good future for themselves.
Anyways, thank you for posting this video for all the Lister enthusiasts, and i hope whatever happens, that you and your family will manage to go through it in one piece!
Didn't see you unscrew the compression raiser after starting it.
Apart from starting, it should always run with it screwed out ( ie in the lower compression mode.)
This lister ingne hart of Indian village we used for water pump
Hallo Manna. Kan jy vir my paar fotos stuur van die frame? Veral daar waar die enjin en alternator vas kom asb.
how much would a engine set up like this cost? i have someone who quoted me R15 000 for an old complete one. he says it can run but i want to service it.
Hallo Manna. Kan jy miskien nog ń video maak waar jy hom start en vir ons wys wat hy alles trek? Dankie groete
Also another question I see you have a thermosiphon cooling system with a metal 55 gallon drum. Is the drum open on the top and how long could you run the engine continuously with that much water as cooling without it heating up too much or does it stay cool enough for continuous running? I heard that these engines like to run around 180-190° F Also if the drum is open top how long can you run it until you need to add water?
Hi Ben. It is a 200 litre (44 imperial galons) galvanised drum. It doesn't get that hot in the region that I live (about 1400m above sea level). During the times that I have used it, about 2 to 3 hours at a time at light to medium load, it did not even heat the whole drum. Bear in mind that this is for occasional use where the water will cool down completely between use. This is perhaps not ideal as the engine probably runs below optimal operating temperature which may result in increased wear. Or perhaps the thermal syphon is slow enough for the head and barrel to be close to optimal temperature? I'm speculating now.
In its previous setting (380m above sea level) where it would get quite hot during summer (35 celsius and above) and when it was used as a prime power generator it used to run about 4 hours a day, usually in early evening, at medium load. When used like this the water would not cool down completely between sessions and would stay warm to touch. During very hot days the water would start steaming/evaporating from the drum, which is probably a good thing because evaporation results in cooling. We would then occasionally add cool fresh water to aid in cooling, however I doubt this was really necessary.
In my current setup the drum has a lid at the top (about 40cm across) which I had to cut in order to install the pipe fittings. This lid stays closed to avoid dirt entering the water, but if ever I need to run the engine regularly under load then I would open it to allow evaporation to aid cooling.
So depending on load, setting, altitude you can vary the design of the cooling system. Mine is probably overkill in its current form. I have also seen applications where these engines are fitted with conventional radiators with a belt driven (or electrical) fan for cooling. This is much more compact and maybe a good idea if space is tight. Remember to add a temperature guage when going this route.
Baie mooi !
As ek na die flywheels kyk lyk dit na 'n 8/1. (Aluminium piston?)
Martin Stevens Hi. Baie dankie man! Dis 'n 6/1 sover volgens sy plaatjie, maar hy het die twin se flywheels op om 'n bietjie meer stabiele kraglewering te kry (minder flikkering in ligte). Hy moet eintlik die flywheels met die dun speke op hê. Ek dink hy het 'n oversized staal piston in... Groete!
O ja dan is dit reg. Ek het 'n 6/1 Start-O-Matic enjin wat die swaarder flywheels het. Ongelukkig het die oorspronklike base en alternator verlore geraak toe die enjin later in sy lewe gebruik was om water te pomp. Ek was gelukkig om 'n Hoffberg alternator in die hande te kry om weer 'n generator stel aanmekaar te sit.
Dit klink fantasties! Stuur graag 'n link tot jou video eendag!
Hier is een van die videos: th-cam.com/video/2o6lEUi1cbY/w-d-xo.html
Daar is 'n hele paar ander ook. (Die channel naam is my naam.) Baie van die videos het ek gemaak vir die forum waaraan ek behoort. Ek dink jy sal dit interessant vind: www.listerengine.com
My topic thread van die restourasie: listerengine.com/smf/index.php?topic=7426.0
Hi Manna is that a 3kw Hoffberg that the lister is running. if so did you have to put a voltage regulator in or is it safe to run as is?
Hi Jason.
This is a 5kW Hoffberg, admittedly too big for this engine, but it is what I had so I opted to limit the load by installing a 10A breaker. I don't have a voltage regulator on this setup, but I carefully manage the load so that I don't get voltage spikes. This only works if someone responsible (like yourself) manages the setup and running of the generator. If you want to make it fool proof then it may be best to install one... Please let me know if you decide to install one and how it works?
This alternator was previously used in conjunction with a Lister SR 2 cylinder in a prime power setup on our farm. The engine handled load fluctuations quite well so it was never necessary to install a voltage regulator. The current Lister CS 6/1 doesn't handle fluctuations all that well and can easily jump from 220V to 240V + if the load suddenly changes before it then settles back to around 230V. So my setup is not ideal nor fool proof, but it works for me. I also have a Honda 4kW generator with all the necessary safety gear for fool proof operation...
Stay well :-)
@@mannastander7209 thanks Manna will definitely let you know what I end up doing. Thanks for the tips
Hi, nice Engine. Where did u get spares from?. I have an ST2.
Thanks. I got my spares through a guy close to Ventersdorp, South Africa. If you're interested, leave your email address here and I'll email you his details.
Surprisingly spares are still plentiful, at least the Lister dealer in Ecuador has everything.
Is yours bolted to the concrete floor? Do you know how thick your concrete is? I have a 12/2 that needs to be mounted and I don’t know how thick the concrete should be.
Hi Ben. Yes, mine is bolted to a dedicated reinforced concrete plinth that is about 800mm thick and the surface is about 1.5m long and 1m wide. The anchor bolts, which are welded together in a submerged sub-frame, extend about 500mm into the plinth. I got these dimensions from a local owner's manual that accompanied these engines in South Africa. A mistake I made was to let the plinth touch my house and this sends the engine's vibrations through the building. If I was to do it again then I would leave a gap between the plinth and the house so that the vibrations would not be transferred into the building. These vibrations can cause all sorts of damage so keep in mind when designing yours. Stay well! Manna
@@mannastander7209 A local concrete company near me makes these large concrete blocks they call waste blocks they weigh 3600 pounds apiece and are approximately 18” wide by 24” tall by I think 4 feet long. They sell them for around $55 a block. Do you Think if I used 2 or 3 of those buried in the ground I could bolt my 12/2 to that?? Right now it is bolted to 4 pressure treated 6x6’s. Just sitting on the ground in my barn. I would most likely bolt the 6x6’s to the concrete blocks because the fly wheels so large that they are actually lower than the 6x6’s and the generator head is also mounted to them.
Hallo Manna. Wat is die grote van jou pulley op die enjin en die alternator. Ek het ook ń 6/1 en ń Hoffberg alternator. Wil my eie een bou.😁😁
Hi Bernard. Dankie vir die vraag! Die enjin se pulley deursnit is 32 cm en die alternator se pulley deurnit is 14 cm. Beide is b-section pulleys as ek reg onthou. Groete en lekker bou!
@@mannastander7209 Hallo Manna. Hoop dit gaan goed. Ek het besluit om nie meer een te bou nie maar het op een af gekom. Het jy Facebook? Ek wil jou fotos stuur. Groete.
Hi Mana, What is the max current draw that this lister can handle.
Hi. With this setup I have limited the load to 10A. If I remember correctly, when doing the initial calculations the max load came to around 12A, but I opted to install a (conservative) 10A breaker to be on the safe side.
Hi,
10A load at what Voltage?
How much power (Watts) can you reasonably get from a 6/1 Lister genset?
Hi AB. This was at 220V. I would say you can work on between 2500 and 3000 Watts continuous load without stressing the engine. Remember, although heavy and large, this engine produces only 6hp which is about 4.4kW at peak power. Also, the engine's reaction time is slow, so if your load varies a lot then you will get a lot of voltage fluctuation, unless of course you have an alternator with AVR. I don't, I still use a 1950s old school alternator :-)
@@mannastander7209 Hi. Thanks for the information. Can you run biodiesel in your engine? If yes, how does it perform compared in performance to conventional diesel fuel?
Do you know which farm she was used in Zimbabwe?
Dear Craig. Yes I do, but I would not like to share it on a public platform such as this one. Best regards. Manna