Batman v Superman v Captain America: Civil War - Why One Worked and One Didn’t - SCENE FIGHTS!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 พ.ย. 2017
- Want to know why ‘Batman v Superman’ failed where ‘Captain America: Civil War’ succeeded? This video compares both movies, and finds that one scene they both share made all the difference.
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Where do you stand? Batman vs Superman or Civil War? And why is that?
ScreenCrush civil war: dawn of justice performances were trash.
I was hype for BvS but that whole movie seemed like 3 movies with no real focus on any one storyline or plot thread , which ultimately hurt it in my opinion. Nevermind the poorly excuted Doomsday and Martha stuff. Dont get me wrong, Civil War is not a perfect movie, but it also had more to pull off than BvS. BvS is the second movie in its franchise, Civil War is not. Despite this, Civil War still managed to balance it's characters, build off of what we know, introduce new ideas and characters, and remain engaging. All while crafting a genuinely good story that fits the characters that have been presented to us, and gives them natural development without killing what we love about them. Which is something that really bothered me about BvS's characters. BvS is not a terrible movie, but Civil War is better in my opinion.
(Sorry for the long ass paragraph.😂)
One worked - Two didn't, and were a mess.
The one that worked was Snyder's original cut - now labelled "The Ultimate Cut".
Unfortunately WB's interference left people bitter. And here we are with them interefering even more with JL. Do they ever learn?
Civil War was insignificant. Both in terms of the movie and of the supposed "war" itself. It also ripped-off a Superman comic.
ScreenCrush BvS because in Civil War no one is really going for blood and it protrays Steve as the good guy trying to save the world and Tony as the bad guy. In BvS they show both sides as heroes and how Batman wants to kill superman since he can destroy the world without anyone being able to stop him.
Another things is how the results affect the Universe. Tony and Steve's fight didn't really do anything. By the end they're friends again, the other Avengers are freed, and the only one to really get hurt was Rhodey. At the end of BvS the Justice League is going to be formed, Steppenwolf is going to invade, Batman is no longer kill crazy, and Wonder Woman comes out of retirement.
They're both great premises that are failed by execution. Neither are as good as they could have been in better hands.
Iron Man and Captain America actually had a relationship and were friends. That’s why it hurt a lot more when they fought
He’s my friend.
So was I.
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Personally it hurt because they were part of the only force capable of successfully protecting regular humans from superhuman threats but, like typical fictional characters, they had no choice but to do what the bullshit script said: disagree over the demands of people that would have been enslaved or wiped out without them and make choices that led them into exchanging punches... No kidding, the whole superhero civil war story is so nonsensical in my book it even makes me say they deserved losing in Infinity War.
Mister Review not really, there relationship wasn’t perfect but they respected each other and were willing to work together to protect the ones they loved. Even if they didn’t act like it, they were friends but with contradicting beliefs. Those beliefs were then put to a test were both failed. (Sorry if this is long and pointless. It is a kinda stupid way of looking at it, sorry!)
@@CeCeBookworm07 I agree. I think they were always allies who had differing viewpoints and friction. Civil War brings in two massive issues that split them apart.
Steve's friendship with Bucky was fast, but Tony's friendship with Cap didn't actually start that fast.
You know Marvels awesome by the fact most of us can’t choose who’s side we are on in Civil War
well I like tony and cap, but I would be on cap's side with the accords because I wouldn't want the government trying to control the avengers
Tony for me ! Haha just because i like him more as a character
I like Iron Man more then Cap but I agree more with Cap, but for BvS I’m with Batman 100%, and In GvK I’m with Godzilla
I was on cap’s side. Here is my reasoning:
1: I hate government and in that film they seemed like arseholes that will make stupid decisions with the avengers in their hands.
2: cap was trying to defend his friend knowing that it wasn’t bucky’s fault that hydra had turned him into a weapon.
3: Ant-man, my fav avenger apart from doctor strange, was on cap’s team.
Team ironman
Tony spent his entire life regretting never saying I love you to his father, yet he simultaneously hated him because his father was a known drunk and he possibly thought that his father drunk driving killed both him and his mother. Then he finds out that that blame was entirely misplaced and not only that, he stood right next to him and the person that his father constantly compared him to, the person that he has finally come to trust, he k n e w. If this was you, you would have the same reaction.
And people say Marvel movies have no depth.
Couldn’t have said it better myself
Exactly, thanks Crowley
THIS NEEDS MORE ATTENTION FOR THE ONES SAYING CAP IS RIGHT.!!!
@@idkwfia12 I mean, cap isn't right, but he ain't wrong either. Yes, he lied to Tony. He really fucked up. But Bucky was manipulated, tortured and used as a weapon. Bucky isn't a killing machine, the Winter Soldier is. So I totally understand Cap did what he thought was right and protected his friend, whom he couldn't save before. And of course the Accords never really worked either, so Tony ain't right about that one either. But Tony's reaction is completely justifiable as the person above said.
There isn't a "good" or "bad" side in this scenario. Both of them are right and both of them are wrong in some aspects
That's why I love this movie. It breaks you
Short answer: one studio actually knows what they’re doing.
Stfu
@@littledudefromacrossthestr5755 😘😘
little dude from across the street
Lmao
@@littledudefromacrossthestr5755 No, We don't think we will
@@littledudefromacrossthestr5755 🤡
Because we had time to see Steve and Tony bond as friends in previous films, and civil war isn't about two gods fighting each other like in bvs, it's about two friends fighting each other.
I agree with you but one correction, BvS isn't about two gods fighting each other, it's about a simple man/mortal fighting against a godlike being, they said it the trailer, Lex Luthor literally says it every five seconds in the movie, the whole "dark vs light, man vs god", so yeah, Batman is not a god or anything close to that by any means xD
Celestial Dragon
We didn't exactly see Steve and Tony bonding as friends. All we saw was 2 guys feuding and always fighting each other. They barely tolerated one another until Tony finds out that Steve withheld information about Bucky killing his parents. From that point, whatever Steve and Tony had between them was thrown out the window.
I kind of agree with you. They never had a very clear and emotional friendship. Since the first Avengers movie Tony and Steve found themselves constantly disagreeing over aspects of the hero life, which were very important moments to make their showdown in Civil War believable and not forced. I think that their relantionship was more of a mutual respect thing between a living legend that embodies everything that is right and a self made iron man who's willing to do anything (even create a killer AI) to keep those close to him safe. They don't like each other very much, but their respect and admire their mutual qualities and good heart.
Celestial Dragon
To summarise
Civil War
Steve: This isn't going to change what happened.
Tony: I don't care, he killed my mom.
Vs
Batman vs Superman
Clark: Save Martha!
Bruce: Why did you say that name?
Which one would you watch?
Celestial Dragon
Batman isn’t a god
Bruh Civil War felt like a divorce, BvS left a bad taste
That last fight between Tony and Steve was personal.. no high stakes, no politics.. just simple revenge and betrayal.. human reasons.. In BvS it was generic.. orchestrated by somebody else.. and without the point.. Clark didn't have to fight Batman.. He is a Superman.. he could rescue his mother by himself.. and Bruce suppose to be the world's greatest detective and didn't investigate Superman's origin before Lex? Also Bruce hated that alien so much, but when he heard that his mother has the same name, he stops hating him?
Alex Rivera heh
I did to wanna know why I just watched my favorite super hers kill each other
Alex Rivera right bc there are a ton of scenes when tony and Steve are best buds
I’m not saying they aren’t friends but have we seen anything about them being better friends then anyone else????
The Russos even said they wanted to construct the movie as a divorce two people you love slowly drifitng apart and even if they reunite one day and make up some of the wounds will never truly heal (as we see in Endgame).
Civil war: the tragic story of a friend ship falling apart because of hut feelings, betrayal and lies.
Batman v Superman: a bald man told me to kill you. And you may one day be a threat, possibly, maybe.
But you have a mom, so you're probably an okay guy and that somehow remove all the possibilities of you going batshit crazy if something were to happen to your loved ones. But all those guys I killed, they have moms too.. Aw jeez..
BvS have actually a great impersonal reason to make them Fight, Batman sees Superman as a Potential Threat to humanity, and Superman sees Batman as a dangerous killing vigilante who needs to be stop, basically he see Batman as a Serial of Criminals, and it make sense, the only thing is they dont have personal reason to actually fight or buttheads only impersonal.
@@BullyMaguire387 so batman thinks he is a threat and decides to kill him by doing a big battle killing civillians
@@wild8720 Batman starts killing criminals when Robin killed by Joker, that confirmed on Snydercut JL, when it happened he sees what will be effect letting criminals live.
Superman don't want to commit this mistake when he killed Zod, and Superman never kill someone unless there is no choice like when he did to Zod on MOS, he can't take back what he did but he make sure it will nevwr happened again, then he sees Batman who kills criminals with no mercy at all, that's one of impersonal conflicts that build tension between them. If you still don't understand that it's just BS if Marvel did this on Civil War instead of Sokovia Accords as start up and plot of conflict surely people will praise it. 🤷♂️
@@wild8720 The only down on this movie is they didn't make atleast one Personal reason to fight each for both Superman and Batman where the battle is inevitable like in Civil War, thats why Civil War work instead of going big they go PERSONAL that personal reason of plot make the movie A++ not the battle on Airport.
One word for each universe: Marvel is built, DC is forced.
trueee, DC characters maybe are the most iconics but they don't know how to use them, everything feel forced and done too fast
@@ajmv_lice agree. They wasted those iconic characters. They really want to keep up in the movie department that they didn't think about the character development of the heroes.
Just hand DC to Oda and start it from the start.
DC has potential to make awesome movies like Marvel, but they're just too impatient.
@@gokugirl826 True. They wanna keep up but it's been a long road for marvel movies for them to run after. Should've just done it in their own pace.
So basically if Marvel did what DC did it would be:
1) Captain America: The First Avenger
2) Captain America: Civil War
3) Guardians of the Galaxy
4) Captain Marvel
5) The Avengers
6) Black Panther
7) Thor
That 100% accurate
Yep, thanks God they didn't!
@@StanvilleBrown so glad
@@kakaloves9243, Endgame was freaking Epic!
@@StanvilleBrown facts
Marvel: Let's give the Avengers solo movies to help people get to know the characters, then we'll release a team up film.
DC: Let's release a team up film before the solo films and assume that people are already familiar with our characters.
Subline Star Wars did the same what DC is doing and no one complained. I think what ur reaction would have been if avengers would have released before iron man.
This is why I think that, should DC not give up, JL2 will be a good movie. By then we will know all the characters.
Then again maybe they're stupid enough to use it to cram Supergirl, Hawkgirl, Green Arrow and 10+ other super heroes into it.
Otaku geek 92 I do too. I enjoyed it. But it is not nearly as good as it should be.
Beastinvader the deleted flash scene saving irish is awesome but i honestly think they should save it for the flash movie
Otaku geek 92 I think we would get it in extended cut. Like we got BVS ultimate cut.
I do love how in civil war... Compared to the introductory movies of Iron Man and Captain America. You'd think Tony would be against the accords in civil war. Because he spent his whole second movie trying to keep the government from taking his suits. But no, he made it personal because of guilt for creating Ultron and the deaths that caused. You'd think Captain America being a veteran who understands the heirarchy of a military, and was the U.S. army mascot for a while, would back the accords. But because he witnessed Hydra corrupting not just the government but most of SHIELD. Yeah no... Governments can be corrupt. There is no more black-and-white good vs evil kind of thing.
But it's so much better when all that gets ditched out the window... Cause Tony and Cap had a make-up talk before the fight because Tony figured out the whole army of winter soldiers thing. And that led to one, emotional beatdown, for one simple reason... Tony realizes that Captain America's Best friend murdered his parents... And Cap knew about it but didn't tell him... Hell, Cap was straight up acting like he was taking the high ground the whole movie. Which I bet added more fuel to that fire.
Thank you for pointing that out! Your whole first paragraph shows why the MCU is so amazing, especially those characters! This directors and writers and actors know their character so well. I'm gonna use this comment to explain why I love Civil War so much (it makes me cry, but the storyline is amazing) 😁
I feel like if Cap had told Tony about Bucky and his parents death he would've handled it so much better and maybe The Avengers wouldn't have divided. Leaving the accords aside for awhile and referring to the Bucky, Cap & Tony fight - Steve finds out about Bucky and his lengthy history in The Winter Solider, so between then and Age of Ultron Steve could've told Tony, yeah I'm sure he would be angry but at the time Cap didn't know where Bucky was giving Tony some time to actually grieve deal with the pain and possibly heal and move on, but with the direction Cap took Tony felt betrayed he found out about all of this at the same time, I know I would also like to kill the person who killed my parents but Cap also joining the fight was terrible. all in all I'm rambling and can't pick a side but I think they all contributed to the divide and took things too far. (I could be wrong though)
Yes I love your comment so much!
Civil War: why are mummy and daddy fighting?
BvS: what’s happening and why are we supposed to care?
Totally right, BvS i don't even know y r they fighting.
Rayno CWH hmmm watch the ultimate edition it explains thing a lot more and it should’ve been the one. To release in theaters
i literally call the civil war "the great divorce"
@@raynocwh9367
Then that's sad. It's not hard to understand why they were fighting.
I see what you did there with Mummy
Here’s the thing that astonishes me about Civil War to the day. You can take any character in that film and know exactly why they stand where they stand on the accords. In seconds. That is prime storytelling.
Excepr maybe lang and peter
Jayy Zee they set up Lang in his movie and peter is cause tony been had his eye on him
@@jayyzee5708 No, even Lang. He's a criminal who distrusts big corporations
Princesz DD nah they dont set up shit. They just get him in a van to cap and he takes cap’s side. That’s all.
Princesz DD so tony put peter in the team not peter himself. He went to tony because tony came to him first. He would’ve gone with cap if cap was the first to approach him
I will say this, in the MCU I always say Steve, Tony, Natasha, Clint. Not Captain America, Iron Man, Black Widow, or Hawkeye when watching the movies. In the DCEU, I always say Batman, Superman, the Flash, Aquaman. That’s how familiar and relatable the MCU superheros are, because the MCU took time and made me very familiar with these characters. They didn’t just come out with an Iron Man movie and then have him go against Captain America two years later in another movie without any reason to (in my opinion). And then not introduce the other heroes properly (besides Wonder Woman). The MCU is a prime of example of patience leading to success
Deonna Williams I also say Clark, Bruce, Diana but I get your point
Who even watches dc🤣
Refuse to believe u say natasha instead of black widow. The rest 50/50
V A D R nah dude i really say Natasha but that may be because she’s one of my favorite super heroes
I'm feeling you on that. I usually go Bruce, Clark/Kal, Diana just because their superhero names are a bit cumbersome to tell the truth...and I've grown up with characters on both sides so...
But you're right, I certainly feel more personally connected to the MCU characters, "Are you even pulling?" "Come on Represent."
But I always say Tasha instead of Nat.
“I don’t care, he killed my mom”
This is the moment he’s no longer the genius billionaire playboy philanthropist, but a heartbroken angry man. He’s learning his parents didn’t just die but their death was cold and calculated, and the person who did it won’t apologise or own up and is fighting you. To then go on a 2v1 with 2 people who always seem to have the moral high ground must be beyond frustrating. Cap said it and caps worthy so cap is right, even though he withheld this life changing information from me and called us a team. Regardless of morals or whatever I side with Tony 100%.
"Regardless of morals or whatever I side with Tony 100%."
Yeah, I think I do too.
If you don't show respect for dead mothers you run the risk of hurting people or enraging them.
There is no indication throughout the movie that Bucky is unwilling to own up to or apologize for killing Tony's parents. His core conflict in the film is explicitly his desire to prevent the winter soldier from claiming anymore victims. He literally asks Steve if he's even worth saving. The tragedy of civil war is that NOBODY has the clear moral high ground. Is it fair for Tony to seek vengeance against somebody who had no choice in their actions? Was it ok for Steve to hide the truth? Should Bucky have just lied down and died? Was Zimo justified in being angry after his wife and child were killed by a murder bot Tony created? Should the Avengers be allowed to be autonomous? Pretty much the only character who makes a decision that could be considered clearly moral was Tchala choosing to spare zimo in the end and helping Bucky undo the brainwashing and that's only if you agree that Bucky shouldn't be punished for winter soldiering
genovaz you do realise if steve hadn’t have held the info that his parents were murdered tony would have had ample time to regather and heal and process before the timeline of events in the movie. Instead he finds out
1) Bucky killed his parents
2) steve knew they were murdered and withheld the info
3) he is unable to unleash his anger or sadness at all in a constructive way
On the flip side you have Bucky, who
1) also kept secrets from tony and made no attempt to fix himself instead went into hiding.
2) had protection from Steve
3) him and Steve made no attempt to restrain him and instead let a fight happen despite caps ability to outmanoeuvr and deescelate a fight in seconds
@@seanclarke6733 somebody didn't read.
genovaz I did read, but sometimes being lawful has no place in morals
Whenever someone asked me if I preferred DC or Marvel, I would always say DC. I loved Batman, Wonder Woman and the Flash. And then I started watching Marvel movies and I grew so attached to characters like Tony, Nat, Steve, Peter, Bucky etc., because of the development that is shown throughout the movies, the emotion, and the humanity of these characters. They go through wars, both mentally and physically, and they don’t leave unscathed. They form PTSD, anxiety, depression, and insecurity, and not everybody lives. Favorite characters die protecting their world and this made me cry more than DC ever did(I can’t recall DC making me cry).
It's really interesting that we refer to DC heroes by madeup names, while we refer to Marvel heroes by their christian names (LOL). It shows how familiar we see them
Ikr, its soooo annoying when people say the whole DC universe sucks just cuz of the movies.
@@cerealissoup5820 I think people just mean the DC movies
Joker movie was a masterpiece. More than all CGI movies can ever be
@@Albanolopolis The Joker movie was one off probably the best DC movie ever made maybe except for Heath Ledger's jokers movie but nothing can beat Infinity War / endgame.
" You don't deserve that shield my dad made that shield! "
Another really emotional thing about this scene...cap DOES use the shield of Tony's father and is using it to protect the man who killed him.
@@ReisSns but still worthy that shows who was right
@Motivation lol worthy means
If anyone is ready to sacrifice his life for people or a right person he can lift the hammer
And shut your mouth stark fanboi
Cap fucked stark 4 times in comics
@@shriharishinde5070 So you're saying that because cap won a physical battle 4 times in the comic book, he is always right?
Also about being worthy-- 1. Stark has also made sacrifices. 2. If being selfless is the criteria for being worthy and Cap is selfless, tell me why he didn't reveal to Tony that Bucky killed Tony's parents? It definitely wasn't for Tony. And tell me do you think he would have kept that secret from Tony if the killer was anyone except Bucky. So who was he really protecting there? and how is this selfless?
There's a video on what being "worthy" is so you guys might wanna check that out 😊
My reactions to these movies couldn't have been more different. When Steve and Tony were fighting, I wanted to jump through the screen and make them stop. When Batman and Superman were fighting, I wanted them to just kill each other and end the torture.
Kaylyn Owens thought let’s be honest if we were able to do that they would have accidentally killed us as soon as we were about to stop them
Destroyer Creater
Ok mr literal
@@destroyercreater98
Not if you say I have money and I beat up a bully to them respectivly
Velimir Mišanović one man has laser hands and the other has strength that held back a helicopter. There still going to kick our ass by accident
@@destroyercreater98
How in the hell do you beat someones ass accidently?
"Like watching a child cope with the death of a parent" 9:07
-Flashbacks to Endgame -
*Cuts to me sobbing in a corner*
*I come in and join you*
To soon.
Civil War made me cry especially at the end where Steve dropped his shield after iron man say "my dad made that shield, you don't deserve it." MY EMOTIONS
That line was cringe
even if you don't are a superhero movie stan, that line hits hard
@@bamaboyz8978 you cry for everything that is better that DC, here is the proof
@@ajmv_lice, DC > your dumb Marvel, Civil War sucks
@@ajmv_lice, DC is the best comic book company
I laughed so hard when he said “it would make more sense than killing Jack.... who’s Jack?”
I laughed also
🤣
haha...
Don't tell me you don't know Jack!
Jack is the copy-boy on the 17th floor!
@Proxima JACKSEPTICEYE PogChamp
honestly, this is because the MCU made solo films to make audiences familiar with each avenger and made them all likeable. you get to sympathise with tony and steve, understand their relationships - who do they love, what are their values, what shaped them into the hero they are today?
and then they oppose the two in civil war, and it works because the audience already knows who tony and steve are and you're either loyally rooting for someone, or you're devastated by being in-between.
for cap fans, we know how much steve mistrusts organisations because of the events of TWS, we know how much bucky means to him because we saw his entire life get taken from him when he was frozen in ice. so when tony tries to kill bucky and opposes the accords, we root for him and the desperation he has to protect the one person left in his life who knew him as steve and not captain america.
for ironman fans, we know how much the death of his parents affected him, and how much stress tony has experienced - from pepper leaving him, to the whole ultron mess, were informed of his stance on the accords. so when steve protects bucky and lies to tony, we sympathise with tony's pain of seeing his parents die and we understand why its important for him to sign the accords.
this audience attachment to the characters is what makes the MCU so great - its less about watching action and looking at epic battles like in BvS, but more about seeing our favourite superheroes experience human emotions and rooting for them. tony and steve's final battle is less about morality or the badass one-uppance of two strong forces, its about an emotional conflict informed by 2 fleshed-out characters and the collision of their stories.
Well put. Batman will always be my favourite superhero, but honestly DC has been shitting the bed so hard these days, even in their animated movies. Gotham By Gaslight was cool, but BvS, Killing Joke, Suicide Squad, Justice League vs Teen Titans, Wonder Woman, etc. have all been awful or just okay.
I love the characters in the MCU. Who expected everyone to prefer the Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant-Man over Batman and Superman? That shouldn't be possible, but it is, because of how good the writing and characterization is. And I don't even like Ant-Man, but he's a lot better than what DC is offering these days!
Exactly my point. Solo movies of each league member would have given everyone a better idea of their character and history.
Like Aquaman and Wonder Woman were superb imo and it was well received by the audience as well.
Well said..
@@Kaipyro67ALT yaasss
I saw my dad in Ant Man. That's why I love and cherish my dad every day and that he, like Scott Lang, wants to be a hero for his daughter and do what is right.
Now I love Ant Man more than Batman and Superman.
Civil War hurts more even if I watch now because Steve and Tony were friends who had some differences between them. After watching them together all those years and see them parting made me cry. But Batman v Superman felt more like a random billionaire with a bat suit fights a krypton alien who saves the Earth.
The big difference is simply: we as an audience knew and understood Steve and Tony and their choice which led to their battle and conflict. In BvS we see a Batman no one can relate to (dude kills people and uses guns like a nornal thug) and a Superman we only saw a glimpse of fight for the sake of “because we can fight”. It is senseless, its unrelatable and just plain stupid.
One, the main movie stablishes everything: HE was 20 years as Batman, he lose a Robin, he got depressed and hateful basically.
Two, BvS is not a Civil War movie, it’s a Dawn of Justice movie (a prologue and setting the bases for the crossover Justice League) so it’s obvious that we could get spin offs (Aquaman was a sequel for Justice League, Wonder Woman a prequel, Shazam is set after JL, Suicide Squad is also a direct follow up of BvS and we have Batman and Flash cameos and their villains)
Three, it’s NOt a physical fight, it’s a God vs Man story
Right? In Civil War, we're torn between Steve and Tony.
Steve: Do whatever you can to help, but sometimes you can't save everyone. The government shouldn't control them because the government is made of "people with agendas, and agendas change". Bucky was brainwashed, abused, and forced to kill by Hydra and deserves protection
Tony: The damage caused by superheroes needs to stop. The government needs to regulate them to ensure civilian safety. Bucky killed his mother (and father, but we all know Tony was closer to Maria).
We empathize with both, like T'Challa and Natasha do. Seeing them fight is heartbreaking and it tears you apart, because both sides have a very good point (personally, I'm team Cap).
@@lindseysquire8417 since when was Tony so close to his mother? So many movies constructing this characters and we never heard of that before. How convenient.
@@josehoraciofernandez5117 It was shown at the start of Civil war movie
@@Sakura-gp8zj that's what I mean. It was only mentioned in that movie
*Tony beating up Steve*
Steve: Save...James!
Tony: WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME!
T'Challa: It's the name of his best friend!
Tony: Oh it's the name of mine too we're all cool now bros let's go fight an alien together
Cap: JAAAMES
“I’ll make you a promise. Bucky won’t die tonight.”
This comment cracked me up.. Thanks mate a good one..
I don't know what is wrong with my brain ,but who is James?
@@tubakhan6578 James Rhodes aka Rhodey and James Barnes aka Bucky
"He's my friend, Tony."
"So was Martha."
Jon Snow why did you use that name?
Martha....?
You know nothing jon snow
Captain America: “Save James!”
Iron Man: “Why did you say that name?”
Black Widow: “It’s Bucky’s name! It’s Bucky’s name.”
@@TheVladMan. Ironically, it's also Rhodey's 😂
“Like watching a child deal with the death of a parent”
*shows Steve holding peggys casket*
w h a t
I think he meant Tony and his parents, but yeah that was funny how he showed that.
SWEET HOME ALABAMA BABY
When they made Batman say “Oh Shit” was a turn off for me. Like I thought he was supposed to be cool, dark, and serious.
@MistaJ 2002 excuse for what?
@MistaJ 2002 when did I trash talk the movie? I just said that it wasn’t for me. That particular moment just ruined the immersion for me
@MistaJ 2002 r rated? I saw it when I was 13 without parents
@MistaJ 2002 also this is just my opinion man idk why you’re so worked up about this
@MistaJ 2002 ah ok either way I doubt my opinion would change. Just wasn’t my cup of tea
"And the other is fiercely defended by what has to be 1 guy with 1,000 different usernames" *LOOOL!!!*
Jay & Rengin that cat lol
Jay & Rengin so true
Well, I sure as hell have only one username
Jay & Rengin i was laughing my ass off to that line
did he meant hacker ?
The Lex Luthor and Daffy Duck comparison is hilariously accurate. I can’t believe I never thought of it.
Sometimes he sounds like micky mouse
@@606danco nah... More like Daffy Duck for his...odd familiar Giggles?
sentrogaspers9813 i dont hear daffy i hear micky mouse
Jesse as Lex was the nail on the coffin, even as I was seeing the movie it was painful. No need to look back on the travesty Lex became.
@@007Julie They want to rebrand Lex Luthor as a young and nerdy tech billionaire, like Zuckerberg. That's why they chose Jesse. Unfortunately, without a good script, Jesse's Lex is just as cringe-worthy as a fish out of water.
This channel could be named “Why Marvel is good and DC is bad”
And then it counts the ways.
Wonder Woman is better than most of the movies of Marvel.
@@kevinrodriguez9251 I won't argue with that, but it doesn't change the fact that most Marvel movies have been so much better than all but 1 DC movie that it's painful to contemplate.
@@CrabbyLioness What do you mean by "contemplate"?
@@kevinrodriguez9251 con·tem·plate
verb
look thoughtfully for a long time at.
"He's my friend,"
"So was I."
That exchange still breaks my heart.
4:01 That comparison with Daffy Duck is spot on thoo 😂
Piereza Josiah Absolutely perfect comparison. His character helped tear down my suspension of disbelief throughout the film.
The accuracy is hilarious! 😂🤣
It made it even worse when that horror movie music played during all of Luthor's scenes...because Luthor was laughable and the score just did not fit at all. Imagine if they played John Carpenter's Halloween music while Lex Luthor rips a fart.
Absolutely spot on! 😂 Lex Luthor is a character that is supposed to command fear and respect! I don't know how the hell they figured this portrayal was a good idea!
EGNationnnHD Does he portray Daffy Duck in the comics tho?
The content was great and the editing was great. I even paused on the memes. Great job.
i also paused on the memes hahahaha
Lee Bays I did too 😁
Thanks
Lee Bays this video was garbage...
Lee Bays l
“Overstuffs the movie with too many characters, but it works.”
Endgame: “.........”
Endgame does not work.
@@disrupt94 feel sorry for all the people who watched and made it Highest Grossing movie of all Time😂😂😂lol 2.78 Billion dollars lol
@@vedangsasane8873 Money does not equal the movie working. Transformers rake in cash in spite of being consistently terrible movies.
@@disrupt94 it only works for those who follow MCU.. all the characters have been introduced rather thoroughly with character depth throughout 21 previous films. Marvel has huge fanbase thus why all the hype, while the non-fans were just joining because they didn't wanna get left out.
@@edpotter1170 " it only works for those who follow MCU"
Bullshit, I've followed the MCU since Iron man and Endgame did NOT work.
" all the characters have been introduced rather thoroughly with character depth throughout 21 previous films"
That's not the issue. When you make a 3-hour movie that has to gloss over key character moments (Like the Hulk finally facing his angry side and accepting it) for the sake of cramming in more fat jokes, the movie does not work.
When you have a character like Cap LIE to Peggy about who he is and let everything bad in the alternative universe happen anyways, the movie does not work.
When the internal consistency of Infinity war is violated ( Black widow sacriicing herself should not work for example), the movie does not work.
One question hasn't been answered
Who TF is Jack?
“The BLACK PANTHER has been the protector of Wakanda for generations; a mantle, passed from warrior-to-warrior. . .& now, because your friend murdered my father, I also wear the mantle of ‘KING’. So, I ask you. . .as both warrior and king -> How long do you think you can keep your friend safe from me?”
Civil War was so much better than BvS it's not even worth discussing.
Civil War was Shitty. It doesn't make sense to get two teams fight for what?
Civil War was a joke -the Russo's fooled us with Winter Soldier and turned in that joke film. BvS better all day long and EPIC. Also - Aquaman says Hi from the Billionaire club that he got to all by himself not with an army of Avengers...lmfao....bigger than EVERY MCU solo film.
Nope just nope, civil war knows what it’s talking about, and the fact they make the winter soldier a big thing doesn’t bother me cuz I watch the whole captain America trilogy, and their friendship is very deep that make the final fight in civil war personal which is great, and the accord that made the hero’s think which is right which is wrong, in the other hand BVS had no clue what it’s trying to say, first I gotta say I like BVS but it got many serious issues, first, they tried too hard to put many stuffs into it to set up the future dceu which are unnecessary and kinda drag the film, second, they never truly focus on the Batman and Superman’s perspective, is Superman a god that’s trustworthy? Do we need him? Many philosophical topics in it but they never truly discover it, people said audiences hate dceu because it’s too dark and have deep meaning and mcu are just dumb fun, NO, dceu did have some deep meaning but they never care about talking about it, meanwhile mcu got deep meaning behind those heroes’ character development 🤷♂️
John Luther Black Panther?
@@kevinrodriguez9251 you're a dumbass if you cant figure what they were fighting about it's not rocket science
Civil war was a movie about established characters who are working together as a team finding themselves fighting on different sides of a war because their ideologies were conflicting and stuff turned so bad that fighting became their only way out.
BvS was a movie 2 guys with pretty much no relationship with each other fighting over their ideology and at the same time was supposed to set up a future movie in which they would team up with other guys who all got some cameo appearance in this movie.
One just makes so much more sense than the other.
achim Sinn When the Snyder Fanboys come wanna annoy them together?
"we are not on speaking terms" - Tony to Bruce after civil war referring Steve 😝
I swear to God,that had to be the best break down of both of those movies I have ever seen. Bravo Bravo Bravo to you sir, excellent job! 👍👍👍👍👍
DC Big Oso YAH You should check out moviebobs video on BVS "Really that bad" Its soo good
DC Big Oso YAH this vid is garbage and so is movieboob....
John King Nice mature response dude.
Yea a breakdown from people that never made a movie before. Real insightful stuff
Lantern 2814 But yet you chose to present yourself on to my thread? How bout this,troll on someone who gives a fuck!
Superman's death and watching everyone mourn for him was like watching those documentaries about North Koreans fake mourning for Kim Jong-il
U stupid
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No one cried for superman
I felt the score was lacking for Superman's death. It wasn't ominous and the battle leading up to his death felt avoidable (could've just tossed the spear into Doomsday or passed it to Diana).
@@blackSUAAAVE sounds like such a superman thing to do, "hey, you take the most dangerous task here, just hand me the rope that you're currently restraining him with"
Civil War is what happens when actual characters have conflicting motivations.
Batman v Superman is what happens when you mush together two brand names and make dumb excuses for why they got mushed together.
Run Fast you fucking idiot because it is. Geoff johns leaked BVS plot points to disney. BVS got announced first and civil war 2 years after. Moron
@@benakinnusi2518 okay, tell me one element of BvS that’s even remotely similar to Civil War besides two heroes fighting. Also, I’m a DC fan but even if BvS is good in my opinion (which it is) Civil War is undoubtedly better
@@yoshithebear7630 brother, ignore that man, he's probably a dumb middle schooler, i mean, c'mon look at his comment😂
Civil War is a joke party with a twist without a pay off
BvS was a filosofical clash of titans about Man vs God, corruption and redemption. That’s why it’s called Dawn of Justice.
@@charlespuruncajas9663 bro are u good, bvs had no setup, no emotional value, no loss, no character growth, it was just edgy bland shit. Civil war had background for character, clearly defined motives that the audience can feel, a good mix of characters with real world consequences, humor, and ducking with your emotions
civil war will always be my fav and holds a special place in my heart bc its the one that got me into marvel. i really love bucky and the part that always gets to me is when tony goes "do you even remember them?" and he says "i remember all of them" he literally remembers all of the horrible things hydra had him do but couldn't do anything about it :(
Zemo was a great villain. I literally got really sad when they show the scenes of him listening to that voicemail. Poor guy... I really do feel for him.
His plan has so many flaws in it. Lol one wrong step and he would lose. What if Iron man didn't go to watch the clip. WHy doesn't iron man know about his father's death if it's on a security camera. Couldn't he find it before Zemo gets it. Couldn't he see the car crash. He must have saw the camera because he's a genius right? At least the police would have gotten it and found out about it. Secondly how does steve know that bucky killed his parents. It's not on screen. I was like wtf steve knew? He's a villain with a crap plan. Why couldn't bucky cover his ears and say "I'm not listening to you" over and over again. Therefore the whole problem about bucky would not have arised. Where was vision in the beginning. He's just not in it. With vision the whole sokovia accords would not be a problem.
@kavikiru kavikiru really?
@kavikiru kavikiru Ohhhhhhhhh ok that camera that got tony's parents death...
@kavikiru kavikiru wow that's easy lmao
@@asdfgh7744 oh ok 👌
Civil war actually almost made me cry and it felt like something actually changed
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Really??
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@Wesley Boatwright
Civil War and Infinity War are my favorite Marvel Movies
@@VileVengeance why the laughs? 🤔
@@maddixpelletier2629 because Civil War *didn't* change anything. By the end of the movie everything was hunky dory; the Avengers were freed, Cap and Tony made up (sort of), and Rhodey's injury was dealt with. The only long-term changes were that Bucky lost his arm (and he got a new one in his very next appearance anyway), and Cap lost his shield (but again, got a new one soon after). The other potential long-running thread, that being Steve going on the run from the government, is barely used at all. The only thing that really carried over was that Tony and Steve were still salty towards each other.
For all the faults of BvS, at least it did something different.
@@mr.barcode3186 now I see the point
The Main Difference is that the Russo Brothers just want to tell a good story by developing the characters slowly and then when it's time bring them together for the Much Earned Payoff
And then there is Mr Snyder
Who just tries to prove he is a great Visionary and his movies are always trying to push the boundaries, but all they do is butcher a good Story and sacrifice character development for CGI Battles
@MistaJ 2002 I love marvel but I can say is Zack one great director. But studio interference made it bad . BVS ultimate edition is great.
Also the immense character moments in Civil War. Tony Stark, who in Iron Man was so UNFAZED when someone called him 'the merchant of death' like he literally didn't care, was now so perturbed by the fact that he was partially responsible for the death of just one person. THAT'S an amazing buildup. Steve Rogers, who spent his entire life being a symbol for his country and abiding the government, now grew to mistrust the same people who he wanted to be a part of so much in The First Avenger. THAT'S an amazing buildup.
An emotional story about a family breaking apart. Even if they reunite, some of the wounds will never truly heal. Which is why Civil War is a phenomenal movie, I'm more interested in the fact that they're separating than the action. While in BvS, I was waiting for the action just because the rest of it was so dull and even the action bored me.
Hey, you're supposed to be dusted
@@kierevangelista1791 No, I'm the decapitated one.
Everyone has their own opinion but there is no way action was boring in bvs.
The Mad Titan were you watching civil war before you started gathering the stones
@@GauravYadav-bf7qj Eh, when the action isn't rooted in great character development it ceases to grab me. That's why I love the Russo's action, it's almost always based on character.
I suddenly have this urge to rewatch Civil War
i get this urge on a daily basis
Me too
Saw it in the theaters, and still watching it today because of Spiderman on TH-cam.
Yeah me too
I have it on blu-ray, I am going to watch it
When he said Daffy Duck I lost it 😂😂
"no calls their mom by her first name"
Me: You haven't met my cousin.
The smart thing about BvS is that if you get rid of the "v" you get a straightforward description of the overall rating of the movie 👍
I don't get it.
@@optillian4182 I knew you wouldn't get it. You never get any of my jokes
@@MrYungReggie Do I know you?
YOU MEAN BULLSHIT? 😂
#pureandsimpletruth.
After all these years the criminals found out how to defeat batman.
MARTHAAAAAA!
@Star Saber Did you have a stroke?
Optillian a stroke is an understatement
Martha
You MCU fans are so retarded its sad
@@benakinnusi2518 STOP IT’S AN OPINION JUST ENJOY YOUR DC MOVIES
Also Baron Zemo's plan made perfect sense while Lex Luthors plan was absolute bonkers. Even if lhis plan succeeded and Superman would have killed Batman and then been killed by Doomsday. Then Lex would have had an uncontrollable monstrosity as or more powerfull as superman to deal with and the only two people who he knows that maybe could have stopped that monstrosity are both dead. I really don't think that situation would have been benefitial for LEx Luthor.
One thing I love about civil war is that you can see both Iron Man's and Cap's pov and understand both of their sides. Like Tony lost his parents and was kept hidden about the actual reason of their death by someone whom he considered a friend. Not to mention that friend was doing every thing he could to protect the killer of his parents. As for Steve, he finally found someone from his old life. He lost the love of his life but had a chance to save his best friend. Had he told Tony the actual truth, do y'all really think Tony would've acted rational and helped save The Winter Soldier? Would Tony have understood at that point that The Winter Soldier did not have a choice?
Superman should’ve said “...they’re killing my mom...”
Then that’s when Batman realises he’s fucked up. Ben aflecks a good actor he could’ve carried that reaction.
Sorry but in the beginning scene he sees a girl whose mom died in superman and zod conflict.. tat fueled his anger even more.. so I think save my mom wouldn't have worked..
"One built a universe and the other broke one apart"
I don't like ScreenCrush, but that was gold 😂😂😂
Bazz93 really was
The Irony is, you dont know which is which. In the movie Civil War broke it apart and BvS built one, but in terms of the effects they had on the cinematic universe, well you can see where im going here.
Golden State Warriors exactly
I loved the tagline too. 😂
"Who's Jack?!" 😂😂😂 You're hilarious dude
If only DC tried to be patience and develop their universe gradually by first developing each character's backstory before rushing into an ensemble movie before people even get to know the characters.
Marvel had sold most of their movie rights and was almost to the point of bankruptcy. They go all in on Iron Man with Easter eggs setting up their idea, we bite, they masterfully concoct and execute a decade long (but not super-detailed, leaving room for organic growth and social/cultural changes) plan never before done in the history of filmmaking: a shared movie universe.
They give every hero (except Black Widow and Hawkeye) their own standalone origin movie before any interaction with a larger ensemble teamup movie, PLUS two follow-up movies which gives the character plenty of time to develop and the audience plenty of time to get not just interested but attached.
DC/WarnerBros: Decides to do a another superman movie (just had one a couple years prior), perhaps even a trilogy. *Oh shit, look what Marvel is doing!* then *HOLY SHIT! LOOK HOW MUCH MONEY THEY'RE MAKING!* Decides to use Man of Steel to shoehorn in their own version of a cinematic universe to capitalize on Marvel's success. Creates BVS, it flops and creates millions of memes. Creates Wonder Woman, it does well.
Creates Justice League, it flops and creates a few memes.
Back at Marvel: Hey Wonder Woman did really well, let's take the hint and start doing female left movies. Succeeds even more.
William Hazelwood marvel succeeded because a shared universe franchise is what Disney has always wanted pretty much since the Disney renaissance.
As for why Wonder Woman > Captain Marvel, it helps that Gal Gadot doesn’t act like she knows better than us peasants
well do i have some news for you
Captain marvel made more money but was a critic failure.
@Robert Holland Jr. as a MCU fan, you are drunk af buddy, captain marvel is not a bad movie, but its not great either. Only reason why cpt.marvel got so much money in box office is bcos it was A MOVIE before Endgame. That movies is tbh out of place.
Actually Disney bought marvel in 2008, soo you just wasted time there
The saddest irony is when you consider how recent Marvel movies had characters losing limbs and how they recently made the R-rated Deadpool. In light of these events, you could argue that Marvel even does dark stories/narratives better than the DCEU. Marvel beats them at light and dark storytelling. DCEU is hopeless.
Mic Pan those aren't marvel movies those are fox movies there's an actual difference. Marvel wouldn't have the balls to make an r rated movie because after all they are owned by Disney
rexthedog4 It's not that Marvel doesn't want to, Kevin Feige has said time and time that they aren't out of the question. Main problem is that Disney thinks R movies are risky and rarely do it, so they don't typically greenlight them, but with them closing a deal on 20th Century Fox, Marvel could distribute R movies through there so technically Disney doesn't need to distribute them. I mean certainly Deadpool solo movies would remain R rated, can you imagine the backlash of Deadpool 3 being PG-13. People would be furious and most likely the lead Ryan Reynolds. It would be Terminator 3 of the Superhero genre.
Mic Pan The sad part is that you can't differentiate a R-rated movie from a "dark" movie ...
Teragnau Well first you didn't even talk about my first point. And yes, I can perfectly tell the difference. There are many different kinds of dark. You can talk about dark aesthetically like Nightmare before Christmas and Suicide Squad. Such as the camera lighting. Or you can talk about dark themes of characters feeling psychologically trapped or you know losing limbs and dealing with that pain and suffering in a slow process.
Mic Pan> I don't talk about your first point because I have nothing to say about it.
So there is a common misconception about Civil War that really matters and makes me land squarely on Tony’s side:
Tony was not asking the government to make decision for him like a juvenile delinquent. He wanted accountability but independence - he says to Steve that he would use his influence and the Avengers’s influence to amend the accords - all he wants to do is avoid clashing with world governments and maintain accountability.
Cap almost agrees to this until he lashes out emotionally after hearing Wanda is being protected at the Avengers compound - which makes no logical sense. He liked Tony’s proposal but then let emotion of an unrelated small issue change his mind.
Just an added bit that is there in the movie but often overlooked.
Here's the things you overlooked:
Iron man wanted accountability, at the price of their freedom. Cap specifically brings this point up by saying what if the government doesn't allow them to deploy for missions that they need to be on. Tony never wanted accountability, he was under guilt and pressure after he realised just how many people had indirectly died because of his creation, and wanted a higher power to look over them. The whole wanda incident only pushes cap over the edge, he was never on board with the accords at the first place
@@parry111 Nah, not true at all if you watch the scene in the glass room. Cap is agreeing and is about to sign, Tony doesn’t want to be under the thumb of the governments, he wants to avoid massive conflict and then use his influence to amend the accords so that they fit the needs of the Avengers. Cap agrees until he gets emotional.
@@reallukeEdison Ohhhh, I thought you were talking about the scene where Ross first shows them the accords at the avengers hq. Sorry for the mistake, your analysis is completely okay :)
Never had heard a review so hilarious for the longest time, until this? Awesome ScreenCrush!
4:56-"Is not a perfect movie."
8 seconds later
"This movie's perfect!!"
The save martha scene would have been so much better if he had said “save my mother”
It wouldnt really have been meme able like it was and
It would have shown what the director was trying to do so much better
Batman saw superman as a monster
Monsters do not have mothers
When he realizes he has a mother
He has to deal with the fact he is dealing with a person and not a monster
But using “martha” just ruined it and made it too cringy
Agreed
aliens have alien mother's. but probably not one called martha like batmans mother that Clark could never have known about ya see where im going. Superman is not dumb but majority of audience seem to think so. He chose those words carefuly plus that fight was a bloodlust batman vs a barely trying superman. lex wanted superman dead and didnt realise batman stole the kryptonite for that very purpose and his mistake was literally kidnapping supermans mother. he was behind literally everything from the beginning orchestrating.
also if you think about it batman alter ego billionaire playboy.
superman is a mild mannered reporter clark kent
lex also has an alter ego a bumbling seemingly harmless buffoon. no one literally suspected him till it was too late but watch the movie again the darkness was there.
Agreed
so after Superman dies, "who's your mom again?"
LeKaNsWaNsOn it’s dumb bc their moms have the same name, if Superman’s mom had a different name he would be dead, Batman would’ve killed him if Superman said “save Betty” not like he would’ve cared if he said mother anyway, the whole movie batman has been killing people left and right it’s a miracle that joker is even still alive, also that whole fight could’ve been avoided if Superman explained what lex was doing, also how is Superman always there when Lois lane is in danger but not the same for his mother, he can feel when Lois is falling off of a building but when his mom is being kidnapped, outta sight outta mind I guess
"...and an armored billionaire orphan" lmfao 😂😂
I just wanna say that I love how we all know which one "didn't work" before even clicking the video
Marvel carefully and painstakingly invented the wheel and showed how such a feat is done.
DC said, "Pfft, that takes time and effort. We'll just drive with squares."
@Star Saber found the DC fan
@Star Saber so the DCEU make more sense?
Drive with squares hahah i like that
@@TheWeekendStuffs if u watch it with no hate, yes it does
@@germanibarramolina834 I saw it objectively, and none of those two franchise is make more sense than the other. But you can clearly see who has more successful.
Baron Zemo is a better villain than Lex Luthor will ever be (in this context). He has everything Luthor lacks, motivation, character, depth and emotion.
Na
Ya
That's why he is one of the top three villains in MCU to me. Others are Thanos and Killmonger.
Luthor actually has all of those if you pay attention.
Civil War was completely bland and forgettable. However, four years after its release, people are still debating BvS. More and more viewers are discovering things about it and attitudes towards the film are becoming quite positive. Sometimes it takes time to appreciate something great, whereas fast food like CW is quickly forgotten.
The problem that I have with BvS is that film never grasped one story line it try to do way too much with so little and to top it off cram so many different stories that have no weight because nothing has been setup yet in previous films. What Civil War does so amazingly well is that it never feels like they were trying to do too much with too little is the exact opposite effect, they did very little with so much convolution from previous stories rolling into Civil War and still managed to introduce two characters into the story without feeling forced. They were focused, concise, and to top it all off it had one main story line and not thirty of them. With that out of the way. People want blood in Civil War the problem with this mentality is that Civil War is the middle chapter in the middle of this huge story being told. Story within a story and the fall of the Avengers has severe consequences because eventually it leads to entire universe feeling the effects of Thanos. Killing a main Avenger or even a character that doesn't matter will have no weight in the third act of the giant story ie, Infinity War, Endgame. The argument could be made that it made the team hold back from creating something with deadlier consequences but the consequence at the end of the Civil War is that when you don't talk with each other you let emotions run high it cause a much bigger problem which is the death of the team... When Jimmy dies,I felt nothing, when superman died,I felt nothing. When Lois was in danger I didn't feel anything because these characters intersect so little in previous films and or BvS also does a terrible job in setting it all up to begin with. When the Cap buried the shield in the Arc reactor you immediately feel the weight of the break of all those years working together and being like brothers. At the end they are not friends and the Cap is on the run. The extension of the olive branch was just the Cap being cathartic not for Tony but for himself and with this he makes peace with his choices of the past.
Why did one work and the other didn't?
Just one single reason.
Everything. In it. Was better.
That one guy defending DC disliked this video with his army of 1000 usernames.
Just shows how there are more DC fans than marvel fans
The Shadow you didn’t read the comment correctly
@@theshadow5352 he has more usernames stubid not more fans😂😂😂😂
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@@theshadow5352 are you stupid?
Whenever I see someone say that BvS is genius and if you don't like it you're just not smart enough to understand the genius, I can't help but wonder - doesn't that in and of itself make BvS a bad movie? It's meant for the general public, not just comic fans. If you have to be so completely immersed in the source material and films that you can find excuses for obvious flaws, so that the average viewer won't like the movie, wouldn't that be considered a failure in filmmaking? I just feel like there's no real way to defend BvS besides, "yeah, it's not a good movie, but the characters mean a lot to me and I personally enjoyed it."
well said
I don't get anything anymore. I liked BvS but seemingly, it is an objectively bad movie. Civil war was good but not as good for me, but it is the better one. Huh.
No fight scene till the end
Part of me wants to ask if this is one of the 1000 different screen names he was talking about.😂
I'm joking but..... I had a real problem with the motivation in the movie. And the casting was bugging me. I love love loved the 1st 20 minutes of the movie. Then the rest was like meh. (Except for Wonder Woman she was awesome)
Those people might be suffering from the Dunning Kruger effect lol
i must say... marvel really thought this through... they made characters kinds relatable (just like what Stan Lee said)
"Why not give these characters weight?"
Batman and Superman World's Finest: We did it back in the 90s
Batman and Superman are both awesome characters. I loved the Dark Knight movies. The early Superman movies and Superman Returns and Man of Steel all had good stuff in them.
But since then it's been a dumpster fire shitstorm.
Maybe one day we'll get a good movie with Batman and Superman both in it.
"marvel characters don't take themselves seriously so when something serious does happen it's effective." This is exactly why I think people are wrong to criticize the mcu's comedy. I've only cried during two mcu films, Groot's death and Yondu's death, and those two scenes came in the most comedy of comedies the MCU has ever comedied.
I cried at both moments as well. That having been said, there's a reason why Marvel has them crack jokes throughout the movie, it helps circumvent the suspension of disbelief, and the Martha scene shows the problem with taking things too seriously. Because the Marvel movies are never 100% serious we never 100% start to treat it like it's real, as such we can circumvent our natural predilection to detect things that are fake and instead focus on watching the movie. Because BVS tries to take everything as seriously as possible you start to notice things and ask questions, both about physical matters (how much does Superman weight for example) and intellectual ones (what was Lex's plan once Doomsday killed Superman). Because you don't take a Marvel movie 100% seriously you don't start nitpicking and you don't come to the realization that Captain America is literally walking around in an American Flag suit throwing a magical boomerang shield or that Thor is a space Viking with a magic hammer. BVS fails because they're trying to force you to take things seriously (hence the score thundering in your ears that all of this is important) whereas the MCU wants you to not take things 100% seriously and allow yourself to enjoy the show.
DarthOliptius Mr. Stark, I don't feel so good 😭😭😭
Cheeto Too Soon. 😓😓😓
pittland44 😭😭😭😥😥
• Beamer Boy Peep • I'll do you one better, who is Gamora?
All they had to do was change Superman's line to "Save my mother" instead of the whole Martha thing. We get a flashback of Bruce's mom collapsing and he doesn't kill Superman. No memes and the ratings would've been significantly better. Oh and recasting of Lex Luther.
Agreed
Changing Superman's line wouldn't stop Batman from killing him. To Batman, "save my mother" could've been misconstrued as "save my kryptonian mother" but that wouldn't sway Batman one bit. "Martha" is the only way to get his attention.
It would had been worse but wouldnt had been so hard to understand for the dumb people.
oh so you're one of those who think people are dumb because they didn't like something in a movie? *claps slowly*
thats a good idea
"Like watching a child cope with the death of a parent "
*Shows Steve carrying Peggy's casket*
Hol' up-
My God... I love the ending with the cat
Marvel: hey let's give some background on Tony's parents DC:Martha
@@patrikbros8242 We're talking about the cinematic universer though. And not all people who watched the movies have read the comics.
@@jolodefensor4509 Right. When we are evaluating the MOVIES, it doesn't make much sense to involve the comics.
I just wish Tony and Cap had mothers with the same name, cuz then they could have made up in the middle of Civil War. :(
*M A R T H A*
@@patrikbros8242 It doesnt matter whats the point on making a movie if only comic books can explain what happens. I know it's a must to be faithful to the source material but expecting a viewer to know a lot about comics in order to know whats going on in the movie shows how bad the movie is made.
This video is very well thought out and made genuinely.
(Insert comment here about how this video is wrong and how BVS is a misunderstood flawless masterpiece)
@@thekiller7994 I’m still pissed that a Snyder resurgence happened and people are worshipping the guy who led to the downfall of the DCEU. It’s like how the garbage Star Wars prequels are loved now. (I know your comment is sarcasm btw)
Extended cut of Batman&Superman is actually a lot of fun.
"Racists in space!"
I lol'd
Actually hearted
I am the 69th liker
Civil War was just hands down the superior film in every way.
The writing, directing, plot, cinematography, talent....
Not cinematography, or music. In all the other aspects though, clearly superior by a good margin.
Aman Kumar sorry to say it man but it actually is better in every aspect
Exactly 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I can't agree with you on the cinematography, bvs is superior in this
The..the cinematography 😂😂😂😂😂 lol
Iron Man: Save... MARTHA!
Batman: WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?!
Iron Man: ...'Cuz I didn't think you'd fall for it, dipshit. (Uni-Beams Batman's head off)
Don't forget now, if you ever find yourself fighting batman, yell Martha and he'll be your friend.
kapono I Also if you're fighting Cap, Thor or Ironman to the death just say "are we done here?" in the heat of battle and you'll be friends the very next scene.
battlecat403 name an instance where that actually had to do with the plot? Or even when that happened?
kapono I It happened bro, Avengers 1. Of course you refuse to see the cheesy dumb scenes like most people here. Only magnify faults from DC not Marvel.
battlecat403 ok but which scene
kapono I I explained it. The scene where they fight... When Thor meets them for the 1st time
To everyone saying Zemo's plan wasn't consistent, here's a breakdown.
1. Zemo was trying to find the security tape that would pit Iron Man against Bucky and thus against Cap, breaking bonds etc. However only 2 people had intel on where the location which had the tape was; Bucky and the Hydra agent he interrogates. The agent refuses to talk so his only choice is Bucky. The problem is that Buck had been in hiding for 2 years. So how do you make someone in hiding come out? You make them a wanted man. *Insert the UN bombing here*. Then he pretty much lets the government capture Buck for him so he can put him under that mind control shit from the Soviets (the words he says while Bucky tries to break out) and then Zemo gets the info he needed and makes his way to Siberia to retrieve the tape.
Thank you. People go on like Zemo somehow meticulously planned it, and that makes it unbelieveanle, but I always want to step in and be like "hey, yeah, his plan was this and everything else just fell into place"
That bit all makes sense and heads up I’m an MCU fan but then it at the end doesn’t because Zemo has no way to ensure that Tony goes with Cap and Bucky apart from maybe killing the real doctor and having him been found out but apart from that he had no way to ensure that all 3 of them would be there
Rixil GodKing he got the tape of bucky killing Maria & Howard stark so it would be sooner or later that tony found out.
I thought that the UN bombing was just trying to kill Steve, but as Black Widow says, he didn't come... Zemo also uses the Bucky identity to frame bucky in case Steve lives, so Steve would fight bucky, or someone else would.
All the other events just happened based on improv, and the fact that he had thought about different scenarios
SeaLordX What if Bucky and Steve saw it and decided to get rid of it to prevent Tony from finding out?
"He's my friend"
"So was I"
There you have why Civil War is heartbreaking.
I didn’t realize how much Lex was like Daffy in that film and now I can’t unsee it because you’re absolutely right.
JL vs Infinity War: why one works and why one doesn't.
So it's fair to compare a 10 year build up movie to a movie just introducing it's characters?
Yes it's fair. Because no one prevented them to take 10 years to build up for JL. You can do JL vs Avengers, for a smaller build-up on Marvel's side, and it's the same conclusion.
@@3mbthelabel i didnt stop them frm doing a build up it waa there fault
@@diersteinjulien6773 But who the fuck stated the fact that no one was stopping them? You Marvel Fanboys are hypocritical. Of course Avengers 3 works better than Justice League because we're already familiar with every other character except for Thanos. All they needed to do was explain his backstory, while in JL the entire movie is forced to build up. You have no fucking idea what you're talking about. Thus making it unfair to compare a movie just starting it's universe to a 10 year movie.
EGNationnnHD
I mean... if DC wasn’t lazy and actually took time to build-up it’s world and characters, it might be fair... but we’ll compare them anyway for fun.
For Batman vs Superman they basically fought for like a minute or a few seconds and Captain America:Civil War they basically fought for the whole movie like the title but Batman vs Superman was kind of clickbait so I'm Team Marvel
Batman and Superman had a more iconic fight in The Dark Knight Returns: Part 1 than in a movie literally titled Batman v Superman.
7:12-7:21 - Hey, you forgot, "Stay Down! If I wanted it, you'd be dead already". That's 10 more words now 😂😂😂
Summarizing this video: Marvel > Dc both in coolness and in writing
I tried to watch bvs 3 times and fell asleep each time, I don’t know how many times I’ve seen civil war but I’m still emotionally invested
I need two magnesium pills and a perfect 70 degree bedroom to knock out. You've got a perfect remedy? I'm so jealous!!
That’s funny it’s the other way around for me
@@TheMcGrath2001 Nobody believes you.
Peter Roe well it’s true deal with it! There’s actually plenty of people who would agree with me, the characters in that film tried to be epic when they weren’t, Batman and superman are iconic, captain America and iron man are not simple as.
Proxima piss off you twat! Just because your tiny brain couldn’t understand that scene or the rest of the movie doesn’t mean anyone else couldn’t. You marvel fanboys sicken me 🤮
Civil War. Mainly because I care about the characters more. When Superman dies I could care less. Also Civil War was just a better movie overall.
Probably because you went in biased
Well I like both DC and marvel. I’m a huge Superman fan I went into the movie really hoping it would be good so I wouldn’t say I’m biased.
@@TheExecutioner21 Always been a huge DC fan and enjoyed the hell out of Batman v Superman. But it's not close to Civil War. They shouldn't even be discussed in the same sentence.
M Lai couldn’t care less
BvS was amazing, I did enjoy it more the Civil War, but I do hold Civil War as the 3rd best MCU movie.
So basically to summarize the entire video, one has world building the other just goes straight to the point.
why does Diana suddenly appear, that fight wasn't threatening the world until the alien arrived, she was like, I'ma join this ridiculous fight and fight this big guy who I don't know
The basic summary of why one is better than the other is simple: Civil War had a point. Batman v Superman didn't.
Civil War knew what it was about. Accountability vs freedom.
Batman v Superman was about... hey guys we have a ton of big brand names let's cram them all into a movie
It had no point. There was no reason for Batman and superman to fight, as you pointed out. Superman forgot he had superpowers. Then he forgot his mom's in danger. Then he forgets he has superpowers again. Then Batman forgets his own reason for hunting down Superman ("IF THERE IS EVEN A 1% CHANCE...")
Oh well his mom's name is the same as mine that means there's 0% chance now, earth is perfectly safe yay. Oh and don't forget to pause and watch 4 trailers crammed into the middle of the climax, thanks.
lol. Where the hell did I say Civil War was some masterpiece? It's a movie that has a story that makes sense. BvS is a steaming pile of shit, somewhere on the level of the Twilight series with a bigger budget.
what's so hard to understand?
Avengers didn't blow up the city, aliens did. Avengers stopped the aliens.
Superman DID blow up the city. End of story.
if that confuses you, I can see why a simple story Civil War was so difficult for you to comprehend.
willyolio
No, it was Zod and his world engine that blew up the city, NOT Superman. Furthermore, Superman stopped them both from causing further destruction.
yea superman totally cared about saving everyone in the buildings he was destroying. at least captain america got the police to evacuate people.
loudboy317 Look at MoS and I swear to my life that there are a bunch of scenes where Superman slams and grabs and launches Zod into buildings.