Captain America : First Avenger vs X-Men Origins: Wolverine - Why One Worked and One Didn't
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Captain America: First Avenger and X-Men Origins: Wolverine are two vert similar movies. They each follow a superhero through a world war and set up an entire franchise. But we believe there is one scene that really separate why one of the movies set up one of the MCU's most loved franchises, and the other needed to be retconned by Deadpool.
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Hey screencrush are you going to do a X men origins Wolverine rewrite
I wish Ryan Arey was a screenwriter for a superhero film. His rewrites are always amazing
Wolverine’s transformation scene is the best hand down. Him raging out the water is, one of, his most iconic shots.
Underrated moment from the first Cap movie: Peggy also went for the grenade.
That's the proof that she's worthy to be cap too
@@DarkVador1138 , and perhaps worthy of something else, too
@@colleenross8752 that would have been badass
I know many people don't like it, but I've always liked X-men Origins: Wolverine. The movie has its problems, but overall its a good watch to me.
Same. Besides the bad cgi I liked it
It has the best Sabertooth. That’s it.
I freaking love the first cap movie. The character development is so good! It makes you fall in love with steve rogers, whereas I feel like catws (my fav mcu movie) makes you fall in love with captain america.
Xmen Wolverine Origins : The Game was amazing
Captain America: Super Soldier was amazing as well
At least in the gaming department both delivered
The game for Origins was fantastic. I had completely forgotten about it!
I feel that they had to cram more of Captain America in because it was the first time really seeing that character where we had seen wolverine in other movies and knew somewhat of what to expect from him
exactly...he was not widely loved imo. I didn't watch it until much later and was upset with how good it was.
First comment X -men origins scene where wolverine was fighting all of the wars was the best part of the movie
True, I hope the MCU does something similar.
Why label it first comment. Do you have a second one?
@@jasonwagner4266because he obviously got the first comment in
The very beginning of the movie lmao
Not the first comment lol
Fun fact: The Weapon X program (Wolverine) is part of an overall program called Weapons Plus. Captain America was designated as Weapon 1. Weapon X was another attempt to recreate the super soldier serum.
What did you think of X-Men: Origins?
Tbh i enjoyed it more than The Wolverine
I rly enjoyed it since it was the first X-men movie I ever saw but thought it was weird that Deadpool became Baraka
Do "From" next.
Do The Giggle
More generally, are you going to do all of new Who on Disney+?
I've always hated biopics (even the ones with Benedict Cumberbatch) and now I know why I hated this movie, too.
I love that Steve Rogers in the end was able to go back and have the life that he deserved.
Hopefully Disney/Marvel doesn't retcon that perfect ending. I hope they can resist reaching back into that honey pot lol
I guess the TVA allowed it...
@@isaac.anthonyno I allowed it
@@thanos8914You're not Kang
Or did he…….?
Captain America: The First Avenger is easily in my top 3 MCU movies.
I always wish the MCU had started with Captain America, and we got a 2nd film in WWII that ends with Capsicle instead of Iron Man 2. Doing the entire WWII story in one film speed through some really good story potential.
About 2 minutes in I just simply said “the grenade scene” out loud to my cat who, not unlike Doug, can talk. He looked at me with his steely green eyes and said, “yep”.
🎶 “the FuuNnnIieEsSTt death I’ve eeeevvvVvEEr SeeeeEeN” 🎶 that killed me!! 🤣🤣👏🏽
Ryan dragging Bohemian Rhapsody is perfect.
X-Men Origins: Wolverine was a good film but it was marked with controversy from the get go. I was in high school when the leaked version with unfinished CGI and the wire effects still in, was released online. So everyone saw the film, finished but not fully polished, ahead of time. Then to compensate, they rushed the CGI in to try to release it to make back the money they lost but of course it was too late since lost already saw the film and at it's worse at that.
I never understood why people didn't like X-Men Origins.
People people have their own opinions. I found interstellar and dune boring asf but people love them. People hate the transformes movies but i love them. If you like a movie don’t let nobody opinions change your Mind
I think some of its story was convoluted and did some characters a disservice. Wolverine vs hulk had a much better introduction to Deadpool whereas origins turned him into a silent laser eye Frankenstein. Also having his wife fake her death only to die for real afterwards for a cheap "I manipulated you, but still loved you" kind of message being ham fisted in at the end wasn't too effective to me. Still, the action they showed off was amazing and I appreciate them throwing sabertooth in there even if he was reconned into devolving overtime. Most of the marvel movies have good continuity that served its ongoing stories while fox throws it out the window depending on what they felt was more desirable at that moment.
At 8:03 Ryan says "a hero is more than just their powers". I am going to buy SC merch right now because of that one comment. If Marvel understood that one simple statement, they would be in vastly better shape than they are now. Thank you, Ryan.
It's no secret that at some level X-Men Origins: Wolverine and Captain America The First Avengers have similar tones, they did fight side by side in World War II in the comics after all. It's a shame that Disney got the rights to the X-Men back so late, it's going to be a hassle for the MCU to retcon Captain America and say that he knew Logan and young Magneto off-screen and just never interacted with each other.
Maybe he thought that James was Logan's grandfather.
100% correct. I have been a Wolverine fan since 1991, when I heard he was getting his own movie I made plans to see it twice! That first viewing felt like a slap in the face. How could they do that to my favorite character of all time?
I do love X-Men Origins: Wolverine but it is lacking in a lot of areas but doesn't make it a bad film at all just wished they gave it more polish and gave Hugh Jackman more to do as it feels like 90% of the film his is just there
I wish they would have had young James be horrified when his claws came out the first time, as anyone who had bones tear out from your hands would be, instead of that adorable tween "yell" and have him come to the horrific conclusion that he could use them to get revenge, and he can't help himself, because he's become the animal! And then when he did the deed, go right into shame and regret and running away.
6:02 ever notice how the 4F looks a lot like a certain WWII symbol that TH-cam might not let me type?? Very clever Easter egg
It's always twitched my eye when they associate Logan with wolf or lupine imagery.. A wolverine is more like a large badger than the huge magestic wolf.
That said, I wouldn't eff around with a badger on it's worst day. Still, my point stands.
Captain America First Avenger is so seriously underrated
It's always easy to point out what "is wrong". And also say what should've been done to fix it. But it's always "fixes" on specific moments. Changes like this affect the whole movie (overall storyline, pacing, etc.).
@ 19:23 Dog is NOT Sabertooth. Dog is a completely different character and the actual half-brother of Wolverine. But if you actually read the comics then you would've known that instead of making that mistake.
Channels like this.. with host like this guy don't know crap about the source material or doing research.. & it's clear as day to actual fans
Fun fact, they know each other and have teamed up before Cap was ever frozen in time
Man to see Capt America and Wolverine on the BIG screen at the same time would be amazing
X-Men was the best movie in my opinion I think they didn't show enough of Captain America meaning I wish the showed more of the mission he went on
Steve Rogers jumping on the grenade is one of my favorite MCU moments of all time. I love it so much.
These comparison vids are some of my fav SC videos. So stoked for another one!
Just started my MCU timeline watch through the other day. My plane was to do x men afterwards. Can’t wait to watch this once I’ve finished.
Ryan: thoughtful comments about the American Civil War and how Wolverine would have fit in there great for thematic and metaphorical reasons
Doug: but Wolverine is Canadian. (Drops mic)
A berserker rage with consequences would have been helpful, but a bloodless bloodbath is really hard to pull off.
Please Marvel, give us that Wolverine and Sabertooth war movie. In the hands of a good director, it could be as good as Logan.
Even hugh jackman ,and people involved said they dont like it.
I like First Avenger a lot and... I don't hate Wolverine Origins. Obviously it's not the best X-men movie, but I don't think it's so bad. However, Wolverine is one of my favorite comics character so my opinion is kind of biased. I love X-men 1, 2, First Class and Future Past and I like animated X-men series. And I love Hugh Jackman as Wolverine! ❤
The edits and inserts in this one are top tier.
Yeah the grenade scene is amazing.
Thank you for doing these again.
The opening credits for XMO:Wolverine is still one of my favorites of all time.
I love both of these movies. I actually own Wolverine Origins, I love that movie. Great movie.
I think both movies worked
Next is BARBIE AND MATRIX 💯🔥🔥🔥
X-men origins would have worked better as a Sabertooth story than an wolverine one. Because Levi played an badass sabertooth..
Based on the 1845 date, not only did Canada not formally exist as an independent nation, but the North West Territories also did not yet exist. At that time it was known as Rupert's Land and was administered by the Hudson's Bay Company.
You are right however in 1975 Wolverine told the Colonel that he was Canadian, it was almost fully form in 1867.. There were North Western Territories and Rupert Land in 1845. Canada Newfoundland was the last Province to join.
Evans😍
When they finally add the Xmen characters to the MCU, assuming they don't do it through some multiverse stuff, i think it would be cool for Marvel to show a similar montage of Logan fighting through wars but culminating on ww2 and Stark using his blood and DNA to create the super soldier serum.
I think the problem is that we had already met Logan in 2 or 3 films by this point… So the director lazied away the true “origin” in favor of “what did he do” not “who is he”…
Wolverine was and always will be my favorite "Hero" and Hugh Jackman was the most perfect fit for the character
Captain america will always one my favorite mcu movie it definitely underated definitely better than xmen origin it had better storyline ,and writing.
First half of XMOW was an insanely expensive Cannon Action Film from the 80's. Second half is like what happens when you give a 5 year old boy an oven and the ingredients to make a pizza.
100% agreed with this analysis!
I love the homelander cameo it was perfect timing 😂
Finally someone else noticed that in bohemian rhapsody!!!! Thought my whole life no one would ever mention it. Whyyyy.
I always liked the introduction, and Liev Schreiber IS an animal. I totally agree that they should've done (or do) a real origin story.
Wolverine was in Capt America's howling Commandos along with Dum Dum Dugan .
I like that dog. He's nice and cool. 👍
I want to see you go heavy on the montage!?! 😂🎉❤
Can you please do a video titled Avengers Endgame vs X-Men Days of Future Past - Why One Worked and One Didn't?
Hmm.... I don't know why but when Ryan Arey points out the problems of X-Men Origins Wolverine its almost like what marvel is currently doing since 2022 🤔
When he said " the movie constantly trying to set up other movies instead of stopping to focus on the movie that we are currently watching", yesh 🤦🏻♂️
6:46.. "He doesn't actually do that and also, no"
Are you not gonna cover the last Doctor Who episode of the 60th?
10:29 this was the scene that made me turn off Bohemian Rhapsody and watch another movie. 😂
I conpletely forgot his name is James. I don't even remember his last name. I just know wolverine as Hugh Jackman lol
Which is funny cuz I'm a huge marvel/X-Men fan.
That wolverine movie wasnt that bad... it wasnt great, but it wasnt that bad...
Would have been cool if X-men was included in the MCU when Captain America came out, like having a cameo of Wolverine in the movie
There talks of small cameo of Wolverine in The First Averager .
Wolverine movie was dope your trippen
X-Men Origins Wolverine, the film, is based on the work at Ravensoft for X-Men Origins Wolverine: The Game. Simply Put, It's an adaption of a video game... Did Raven know this, heck no... Fox showed up at the studio and saw what they were doing...
I know this could sound out of context, but you should do a Child's Play Remake vs M3gan, Why one worked and one did'nt
I'll just add that they didn't put Chris Evans' face on a body double since Chris' body movements were so unique. They instead shrunk him in post-production!
Huh. I liked wolverine origins more than 1st cap. By far too 🤷
X-men origins was heattttttt
I rewatched Wolverine a lot more than captain America. I actually get a good nap to Captain America
Wait haven’t we been here before 😂
I'd like access to this presumably small database where they keep all the skeleton-scripts they use to base whole movies on. And set fire to it.
I went to go see origins on my birthday when it released. I’d had a few drinks before, but it was so boring I fell asleep in the theater.
Between the comics the cartoon and the movie they could have done the lady deathstryke is the daughter of the guy that gives him the metal skeleton and he kills him and she gets a cyber body from the guys from Logan and just not do the alien thing in the pod that kills all the morlocks I was pissed that wasn’t the Brood
I liked the montage.
X-Men Origins Wolverine is a guilty pleasure of mine. I know what its flaws are. But I still like it. Think of it like an 80's Schwarzenegger or Stallone action movie, shut your brain off and enjoy it.
Origins really suffered from something the MCU is doing right now. Attempting to cover too much ground and introduce too many characters for the sake of introducing characters. If they made the movie truly about a couple siblings and nothing else, it could have been amazing. Focusing more on individual character development of Wolvy and Sabertooth. Maybe introducing Striker, but in a Thanos from the first Avengers way. Opening the door to a similar movie for Magneto (hopefully without all the First Class non-sence). But, that is my opinion.
The other thing that Wolverine screwed up on is setting James being from Northwest Territories...he's from Alberta to rich farming parents. Not much farming in NWT, lol.
I think it was Animals Fur trade or trapping the business they were in the movie version. Fact Wolverine and Sabretooth father's was an Anomalous Human, a person who not mutant but carry genetic potential to have mutant children.
Wish i will see them together in secret wars
This is why Wolverine Origins was leaked like 3 months before it came out without any CGI. Because someone at Fox knew how ass it was and wanted us to not waste our money in theatres.
Just get Axis and Allies Europe, Axis and Allie’s Japan, a huge table, and about 48 hrs of free time… plus a few friends of course.. smash those 4 board together and “enjoy”!
Nice video
So what your saying is Steve will always choose duty over booty 🤔
X-Men Origins: Wolverine. Because you know your movie is Executive Meddling at its worst when you're out-classed by your M-Rated Tie-In Game.
Simple reason why X-Men Origins: Wolverine didn't work. It was written by David Benioff one half of D&D who ruined Game of Thrones.
What If then Echo in January(?) and then nothing til summer with Deadpool 3.
No other Marvel, no star wars, what is even in the pipeline?
Isn’t little Logan a singer/youtuber now
In order for the story to work, Logan had to just leave his wife's "corpse" in the woods and walk away
First.keep up the good work ryan💯
Day 4 or 5?… of asking Ryan to cover Halo the series before season 2 drops in February. I love you Doug.
"Slavery was gone in from western civilization" LOL riiiiiiiiiiighhhhttttttttt
Honestly Gambit was the best part of origins aside from the war montage and while I’m being honest for no particular reason at all I actually think origins would have worked so well if they didn’t F*ck deadpool up so damn bad 😂😂
Honestly looking at how well done Captain America was made, makes me think how poorly they done Captain Marvel
Do all of your videos need to have a million ads???
so why does he wanna help|
pls someone answer
im curious