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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ต.ค. 2024
- I wanted to cover this topic as it is something I have seen a few times before. I have only experienced this issue before two times, but had noticed after further investigation that gigabyte products from 20 series and up seem to have this common PCB cracking issue. Not saying its all Gigabyte GPUs, but it is funny how it seems to be a popular issue with the brand.
Let me know your thoughts.
-KJ
Thank you Louis Rossman for the original video, Ill leave a link at the below.
OG video
• Gigabyte's response to...
(Update)
Original Emailer/GPU repair tech from the Louis Rossman video left this link. Be sure to check it out.
repair.wiki/w/...
L.R.s original video is listed in the description and is much longer, I made a lot of cuts to simplify the issue/content.
Drop a like or a comment to spread the message. I am curious if any of you guys have experienced a similar issue.
-KJ
If one card were to rma that means they would have rma all of them I dont think any company wants that amount of liabity put on them. When it could potentially be a user error. Im sure this is not just gigabyte cards. These cards should be using a gpu bracket cause of the flexing .Heating and cooling of the boards.
@@spyplane3979 Its specific to PCB choice, copper traces, and electrical engineering. Also standoff locations and how the cooler is physically attached. You are right about Gigabyte not wanting to take responsibility, but it is a design fault. You can call it user error as well, but I'd say building a mini travel PC and having it crack is not ideal, other companies have different layouts, probably for good reason.
The fact that the crack is soo prevalent, proves it's a design / material issue, rather than careless customer damage. What they need to do is file a class action lawsuit.
It will be interesting to see if more info comes out from other repair shops after Louis Rossmans video, I know talking about it myself won't do much, but his video already made some decent numbers.
The lack of quality these days is unbelievable.
Appreciate the comment.
muh $1.25
yeah, so the lawyers can get multiple millions of dollars, and the customers get shiite.
I'd sign over my rights to a class action lawsuit and do individual arbitration instead. Have them pay the lawyer and court fees, the graphic card price, and punitive damages for warranty fraud and potential damage to the rest of my computer whether or not it actually happened. Also, for wasting my time if my computer makes me money.They know that spot is bad and yet they will not stand behind their own product nor the customers that supported them buying it.
@@B9NE No, you need it to be a class action in order to prove that it's a design issue rather than just a one off user error. If you have hundreds or thousands of litigants, then the defense would lose on trying to argue it was just an isolated incident.
With newer GPUs being so thick and heavy this is a design flaw. However, many vendors have begun to add support to their products. Not using these provided supports will cause these cards to crack. GPU sag is a lot of stress on the PCB. I just bought a Gigabyte 4080 Aero OC and it comes with a really nice support that eliminates sag and I know there wont be any issues. Use the supports provided or buy a bracket.
Good advice. Yeah most people should be using supports. I think a bunch of the cracks are from neglect, but it is still an issue
In my opinion is a general design problem because I seen other brands with the same problem, the thing is simple the 40xx generation of graphic cards including the 30xx series are MASSIVE and all the connections and support go to the PCI-Express connector, at the times the PCI-Express connector was deigned graphic cards where smaller; If they keep building GPUs at this level very soon a graphic card going to have the side of a shoe box. They have to come out with a new socket, for people who cant invest in a new mobo Nvidia can offer something different like mount the GPUs in a special housing (enclosure) outside the computer case (like laptops). The only solution for now is buy and install properly an anti sagging bracket.
The thickness of the PCB is stuck at 1.6mm for these applications ( we obviously can get thicker PCBs but that'll require new standards for slots ), not much we can do about that; the elephant in the room is that as these GFX cards get heavier/bigger we do need to get back to having physical supports for them ( we used to ! ). I've replaced several motherboards now due to likely fatiguing issues around slots or CPUs due to the extensive physical loads being imposed on them by the heavier coolers or cards *especially* when they're in the upright/tower configuration.
I see some mainboards do have more robust/metal retainers for the GPU PCIe slot, trying to try spread out the load a bit but ultimately it's still a problem that we have multilayer boards that are also having to double up as stressed members.
Yes, maybe the Gigabytes are using poorer quality PCB but ultimately the loads being imposed on the card, the slot/retainer and mainboard are exceeding acceptable levels, and someone will be the weakest link (curious if all the reported faults were from boards that had reinforced PCIe slots)
Appreciate the well written comment, I should have phased it better when explaining the thickness of the PCB. The actual original emailer from LRs video has commented on this video. He went into details explaining that they are running to many traces around the area in question. So it's a design flaw causing them to break more easily according to his analysis.
The added weight like you have said and the reenforced PCIE slots on the motherboars probably do increase damage to the GPU PCB if dropped or say moved around harshly.
@@techwandoUS definitely having the regions closer to the physical stress marked as routing lockout areas would be gainful towards longer term survivability. I wonder too if there's a difference in the physical cutting/routing of the PCB itself that may be leading to stress focus compared to other brands.
Video quality is nice and clear btw, nice job.
There seems to be different wiring/traces on other brands, I remember specifically the 2080ti FE vs the gigabyte looked pretty different. Fe went full on straight to the connector, almost alien like design, whereas gigabyte had a lot more traces running further apart all leading to the PCIE connector. I always wondered if there was a standard but I think not. It seems like it's however the engineers lay it out.
Appreciate the kind words about the quality. Good to hear, I need to save up for a better camera.
@@techwandoUS saving up for a better camera is something that never seems to end. Running a pair of 4K60 units currently for face/top, then a 4K60 for microscope camera, feeding in to a AJA KONA 4 port HDMI capture, though I've downscaled them all to 1080p60; preferring to have the higher rate & shorter shutter speed than the resolution; have one more HDMI capture port on the car, want to get a new angle for the repairs on the workshop.
I think you'd be surprised what I'm currently using. It's essentially a glorified webcam, I have aSony SLR that can do 1080p 60 with nice lenses, but they came out before they allowed you to remove overlay on passthrough. So I'm mostly just trying to find an slr for that specific use case.
I will check out your page, sounds like you have a pretty nice setup.
How long have you been doing repairs for?
I was an SMT operator for a long time, built motherboards and stuff in the past, never got into heavy repairs, just basic through hole and simple surface mount.
What percentage (if any) do you think are caused by trying to remove a stuck GPU from a slot? I've definitely seen tabs shorn off from this, but I can't say if the crack is related.
I am curious of this myself, I suppose if enough information goes around and Louis Rossmans video gets enough popularity, there will be a follow up. The original tech/emailer to LR has actually posted in this comment section, browse through. He does a good job explaining his thoughts.
Appreciate the comment!
Absolutely zero.
What could happen is the MB's easy-release mechanism not working correctly. This would result in excessive pressure on the GPU when removing the card. I noticed this when removing my GIGABYTE RTX 4090 from a Z790 AORUS MASTER MB. After finally removing the card, I manually placed the retaining clip in the locked-down position. Pressing the MB's easy-release button failed to activate the release mechanism. I pushed the retainer with a small flat-blade screwdriver, and the retainer moved into the open position. My experience indicated that one cannot trust the easy-release button to work on a GIGABYTE MB, which uses the easy-release button.
I have seen it on a few Asus boards also. Plastic cracks or button malfunctions, could be another reason it's happening for sure.
Hi! I am the tech who reached out to Rossmann regarding this problem and provided the pictures and eBay links. It does sound like you've been had with that repair place quoting you 280$ for this, I've been doing them for roughly 150$ (Canada) even if I needed to reball the core and or memory modules. While I very much doubt the crack extended beyond 10mm, their excuse isn't valid, from your description and their self-stated skills reballing the core or memory due to cracked balls should have been a given. Also I have never heard of them in the broader GPU repair community. The card working under flex symptom is consistent with cracked solder balls under one/a few of the memory modules or the core, there wouldn't be a crack visible in this case since the card would simply not work if there was any that spread for more than 2mm.
Sure Gigabyte 20 series cards sometimes cracked but I've only seen one versus dozens of 30 series. That one Gigabyte 2080ti which cracked was dropped from a significant height inside the PC according to the customer and it will be relevant later on in this comment, had a low amount of copper planes in the area. GPUs used to crack due to significant trauma not a bump of the computer case.
Here's what I think is the root of the problem (as I stated in the repair.wiki article I wrote): It appears that they decided to make a lot of traces go through this edge of the PCB and for signal integrity they added lots of ground planes above and below those traces. Thing is, copper isn't as good structurally as fiberglass at handling shearing force and so as you would expect it shears due to the nature of today's graphics cards having a center of gravity towards the back of the cards and a huge weight overall.
Small world! Thanks for reaching out!
I have actually repaired a few GPUs in the past and worked for an SMT company, the surface crack was pretty long, I'm a fool for not photographing it back then, and unfortunately it was the height of the GPU shortage so it went on ebay for parts within the hour it was posted (I didn't handle it)
As for the repair, they luckily didn't charge me other then shipping both ways, I almost doubt they even re-balled the GPU. They probably saw the crack and ran. They had ads posted on Facebook and got too many requests based off their live streams I was watching.
Appreciate your thoroughness in this comment btw. Glad Louis actually read your email. I actually thought the same thing about the center of gravity aspect. I found it was strange that as time went on the customers 2080ti I mentioned (that never moved from his desk) got worse and worse overtime.
If you'd like I can link your website in the description as well. Lmk!
-KJ
I was thinking that manufacturers should avoid passing traces near this tab. It is also this tab that is inserted in the PCIe lock mechanism. A few weeks ago I was trying to remove the card but the lock was not working. At one point the card was out of the slot except for the tab in the lock. I could not resit the card in the slot and I had to use a lot of force to finally remove it. I could have broken the tab. I wonder if it's something that happens to many people. I was so annoyed by this incident that I removed the lock mechanism. It was very satisfying and I don't miss it at all.
Have you received 3080 12gb's from gigabyte? I happen to have one, I tested (gently, with 1 finger) the strenght of the pcb and I could not bend it at all. I think they learned from their mistakes *then*, the 12gb model also has outstanding thermal pads, card is really cool on temperatures.
And this is one of the reasons I am glad I went with a Cooler Master HAF XB Evo PC case all those years ago.
If I ever am able to afford to build another PC, I will definitely go for a similar PC case.
It's obviously not a cure to this or similar issues, but a prevention to stop a "DNA" issue causing problem.
Thanks for the video.
I get what you mean, I doubt Gigabyte will even address this tbh. I guess we will see if some more repair shops talk about the situation/mention it in general.
Appreciate the comment.
It does look like the age of towers may be ending at least for the top tier cards.
Still I do wonder how much of this is user error and mistreatment since the 4080 and 90 need to have some support on the back side so it will not flex from its weight toward the back side.
Are there any issues with the Gigabyte 40 series graphics card so far? Correct me if I am wrong, I think Gigabyte kept the pcb flimsy because of high sag pressure so that the pcb can move freely without having a crack. [ only on 40 series ]
Hey, to be honest I'm not completely sure, I have only seen the issue on older cards. The technician who contacted Louis Rossman posted a pretty good comment on this video (mine) going in depth about how they run too many traces and it weakens the fiberglass material on Gigabyte cards.
Jaystwocents also posted a video looking at the 4090 PCB vs the Tuf (he mis-measured a bit) but did show the difference between the PCBs.
I wish I could say why their engineers do what they do but there is some considerable difference between the new cards as well.
Check out Jay's video if you haven't already.
Appreciate the comment.
I watched jayz video , The comparison shows how flimsy the Gigabyte pcb is compared to the asus pcb. Gigabyte has more areas to cheap out for their profit. But they gave 4080 same cooler as 4090 even base models of 4080. So there must be a reason why they are giving flimsy pcb in 40 series cards. They exceptionally made heatsink bigger for 40 series cards . they are providing anti sag bracket with the gpu. so they must have thought not to bend pcb for sagging. This is something I don't want to hear after purchasing a gigabyte 4080 gaming oc card. Sad!
I have the 4080 aero and so far no issues. I horizontally mount my GPU in the Hyte y60 and have a mount support, so maybe that’s the reason mine hasn’t done it.
I have a 3070 gigabyte card, so far it's ok. But from day one I've used a gpu bracket. Let's see how long it lasts.
Does Gigabyte provide additional support parts in the box that might prevent it?
I am asking, because I got it with my Sapphire card.
Many of the larger cards do now come with some form of a support bracket. Some of them are actual screw in ones that go over the PC case PCIE slots like MSI includes, but most of them are props that sit on the case basement. Gigabyte includes them with the more expensive models like the other brands, but mid tier stuff I am unsure of.
Hello im bought a rtx 4060 oc 8gb dual fan gigabyte windforce i was hearing some issues about the fan stopping and cracking so should i worry or not
Most likely just a fan issue, not related to PCB
I hope I haven't just Jinxed myself watching this video !
I've been using Gigabyte Motherboards and GPUs for years without any problems at all.
I've never heard of the Gigabyte GPUs cracking, I'm all worried about my Gigabyte RTX4080 OC 16GB GPU.
Cheers.
I think as long as you are careful with your stuff you should be fine, most of the cards that have issues have been 30 series too according to the original video from Louis Rossman. Appreciate the comment.
I mean, just use the support brackets. My old 2080ti came with one back when it released and been using it since just fine and I use them with my current 4090 as well. They are big cards and need the support, this is (or at least should be) common knowledge.
Guessing here, but it seems logical that modern designs have more layers in the PCB. More layers means each layer of substrate is thinner, and equally bad, now there is less overall substrate to allow for more copper and glue layers.
Actually yeah, good guess. The IT from Louis Rossmans video actually brought that up in a comment too.
The more traces or copper runs in one confined area makes the fiberglass weaker and causes them to crack. It's a Gigabyte design flaw, that being said it happens to all the companies. Gigabyte packed more traces into that one area.
Is vertical gpu mounting ok? Or should I be worried?
Vertical mounting should relieve any stress on the PCB as long as it's secure in the case and not flopping around.
Feels bad. I should have done more research before placing a bid. Now I'm worried about winning a bid for a 3090 gigabyte that's potentially got a crack in it. Wasn't easy to make out in the pictures if there's a crack.
I assume you placed the bid on Ebay?
They have buyer protection if so. Just inspect it as best you can before putting it in your machine.
Support bracket is a must. I don't know why people are so resistant against using a bracket or support. Heck, a lot of supports with RGB makes your build looking even better as well.
As some one who just bought a Gigabyte Eagle RTX 3060ti, thank you for a new fear.
Just be careful with it. I think it probably comes from more careless individuals.
"it might happen by transporting a pc"... either it's done with one of the few specific gpu transport supports or gpu never goes inside.
Mine didn't, I have a 4070 TI Gaming O.C: by Gigabyte btw. However, when I did build everything, it was obvious the GPU was too heavy. I did make a flexible stiffener, that supports the weight of the GPU but without stiffening it completely. So far, it seem to work just fine. Thanks for this video, people need to know what kind of troubles they'r going to get into.
Thanks! Yeah it seems to be more of an issue with the 30 series cards than anything. Definitely good to spread the word, I know many people who travel with mini PCs and the thought of some case movement cracking a PCB is rather alarming.
Appreciate your comment.
Did the 4070 ti not come with a support bracket?
@@Pixelcheat999 it did but I did opt to make a better one, on my own.
@@andreabriganti5113 the bracket also tends to not be compatible with most motherboards. for gigabyte in particular i suggest vertical mounting the gpu or putting a gpu stand underneath it if it’s horizontal
@@XcDrifty Agree. I did want to try vertical mount but it wasn't a great idea on my C.M.690 III Case, especially since I modded it, in order to achieve a well balanced airflow, specifically for a horizontally mounted GPU. So I did end up making a custom support to sustain the GPU. i don't know what Gigabyte had in mind, when they did make this ( almost ) 3 slot monster. Cheap plastic on the fan side, an heavy and unnecessary large backplate ... bah.
I have a Gigabyte 3060ti OC card. There is no visible sagging. But I’m scared to death? Should I be worried? Aren’t 3060tis lighter than 3070 and onwards?
Edit:- I took a quick looks at my pc from the outside without opening it. I didn’t build it. I don’t see any tabs. Are there models without tabs or am i looking wrong?
The tab is clipped into the board, if it worries you maybe get a simple GPU support bracket, or even make something to prop it up a little bit. I think it was happening a bit more on heavier cards, but it's hard to say. They definitely all use the same material for the PCB.
i have 3 3070ti all non working ,there all new, all unsued, and all shipped in a prebuilt from cobratype computers , . . unfortuanlty that sat in a box for a long time time and warranty now lapse and now out luck do you know what these cost to repair?
I would reach out to Northridge repair or North west repair. There is also Prime Tech support, which has fixed a few GPUs for customers I had out of Florida. Not sure where you're located.
what about 4000 series from Gigabyte,? are tey save from cracking ??
Jaystwocents did a video comparing 40 series Asus PCB vs Gigabyte, and found the gigabyte to be more weak. That being said the reports were primarily 30 series.
@@techwandoUS ah , ok .. Gonna skip the Gigabyte then.. better safe then sorry.. Thanks Man.
@@indopride45 All the brands have some drama focused around them at the moment. I would say if you could get your hands on an FE model, or Msi/Asus they seem to be the most reliable. That being said, look deep into it if you're spending a lot. MSI just started denying melting connector warranties, and Asus in general has had quite a bit of drama with their motherboards. FE cards are really nice this generation. Budget cards from brands like Zotac are a decent option now as well. Zotac Airo isn't half bad. Hope this helps.
@@techwandoUS yup, Asus TUF and MSI SUPRIM are on my radar.. , it does help a lot. Thanks
You gotta push this black clip on the back . You cant lever it out . I just bought a giga 3rd product in a monthe 4070ti oc . Im sure their rocking it out without the back clip pushed. I do it by accident all the time . Plus pcb material like j said. But you know . Its obvious its not spontaneous irregardless of minor structural differences. Every vice is a virtue. So maybe the softer boards have a weakness. But what's the flip side . Dont rock it
La carte RX7600 Go a-t-elle un problème comme les cartes RTX 30/40 ?
Je ne maîtrise pas bien le français, mais laissez-moi essayer... je ne pense pas que le 7600 aura le même problème en raison du poids global et de la taille de ces cartes. Ce sont surtout les plus grandes cartes de la série 30 qui semblent être concernées.
so how to avoid this thing with a gpu bracket ?
It will definitely help long term.
@@techwandoUS ok thanks man
Is still okay geforce 4060 gigabyte dual fan?
Those cracks happens because of a sag. Don't let your card sag!!!
Saggy cards /:
The problem is when you have multiple layers it cracks easier. The more layers you have the more thin your PCB coating is between copper which is easier to tear because it's also thinner. Copper is going up in price so you might find thinner layers of copper between thinner layers of PCB and when the PCB cracks it tears the copper. More lines of copper being torn make the device harder to diagnose and work on. Sloppy component placement can make that area a hotspot for disposability. As the economy goes to the trash, we can expect more of this garbage.
Well said. Basically what the tech also said in his reply to this video.
@@techwandoUS his technique is not
Sorry if I wasn't clear about what I meant. Phyro4143 the original person who made this issue resurface (even though it's been an issue all along)
Said exactly what you had said.
So yes, I totally agree with you.
cracks dont crack by themself they need help. people are most likely using gigantic cards and not using Support Bracket.
I have a gigabyte gaming oc 3080 and for the past year it has served me very well, havent had the crack issue, hell i even took it out of the pcie slot to check if i had an issue like that but no everything works flawlessly. Its a shame that people have been experiencing a problem like this and makes me question if my 3080 is gonna kill itself as time progresses, i shouldve gone for a different aib model but idk.
Scoop a anti-sag bracket and I think you'll be okay. As long as you are careful with your hardware, you'll most likely be fine. Gigabyte should address this properly though, as they shouldn't be cracking this easily.
yeah i'm not upgrading this gen. To many design/other issues on every 4090 from horrible coilwhine to cracking cards/bad fans or actual bending cards.
The only thing about this that concerns me is the lack of their ability to honor the warranties.
Gigabyte is quick to deny anything from my own personal experience. EVGA and MSI have it down with the RMA process.
Is this issue happening with AMD gigabyte cards or just Nvidia?
Seems like more than just gigabyte at this point.
Though my motherboard and GPU are gigabyte.
I don't have the crack in my PCB, and I have been periodically. Not very careful... I know I know, but when it comes to upgrade my system. For gigabytes business practices of denying RMAs, I will never go to them or ASUS ever again.
It's starting to narrow down to a binary field of azroc and MSI.
Had to edit it as my phone is slightly satanic, I use voice to text and sometimes the results are, rather odd
Haha, it occasionally happens with mine also... Tech can have a mind of its own at times, Skynet is coming.
Hopefully your hardware you currently have goes strong. I hate even making content like this being so negative on certain brands I once considered great, but I feel like as time goes on its important to call it how it is. I'll probably never get a brand deal.
@@techwandoUS All in all? It's better than my typing.
Knee typing resembles a Welshman with tourette's. Trying to learn Swahili with a Russian accent
@@Stormpriesthaha, I actually created an image in my head as I read this.
Feels the only component mobo compnay I can trust is Asrock
As for GPUs its easier to find one since the next build I wanna go for is AMD, and a lot of their GPU manfacturies are a lot more component then NVIDIAs.
Yup mine just did it and I could figure out why my pc kept crashing under load and apparently I see small cracks on the board and it doesn’t help when I’m stressing my pc got a gigabyte 3060 vision 12gb OC … edit I ended up getting an rog strix 4060 8gb
There's a channel called North West Repair. Should send in that 3060 and try and fix it if he can offer a decent price for the work. I know they aren't pandemic valued anymore but, can't hurt to ask.
it is old issue northridgefix reported it a year ago and multiple sources we should all avoid buying gigabyte stuff from explosive PSU to now this... its unacceptable
edit: northridgefix just made a new video and talk about it, so many youtubers its been vocal about this issue
Mine cracked as well. The denied me. Lets start a class action lawsuit
Sorry to hear that, what happened exactly?
This is interesting i had alot of issues with my first pc with a gigabyte b550 board took awhile to get it working well it would crash in games every 30-60 minutes and that happened for months but so far i have a z690 paired with a galax 2070 super 12700m and a z790 system with a gpu support bracket for my 4070 ti hopefully this wont affect me honesty if your looking for a gpu brand galax is the go imo they are generally cheaper run quite well like in the case of my 2070 super over 3 years old now and an amazing card that with a 2 fan deisgn would run at 54 degrees max load.
GALAX is a great brand, hard to get some here in the states, but I have a few Hall of fame cards in my collection (older stuff)
Happy you got the issues sorted out, nothing worse then a unstable system.
Should we buy a card holder
It's not a bad idea to have a anti-sag GPU bracket if you have the space, you can also just make one too.
2oz copper means nothing apparently
The extra copper can weaken the fiberglass strength
EVEN WITH THE MOUNT SUPPORT THEY CRACK ?
Definitely will lower the chance
coolers keep getting bigger...quality is a thing of the past..they all cut corners which leads to short lifespans for these 20...30..40 series cards.
Well said.
Don't forget that Gigabyte power supply are a time ticking bomb. Remember? Even the power supply unit was another big issue back then
Yeah I put a scene of that in one of my "gaming on PC now" videos.
@@techwandoUS noted bro🗿
I swore off Gigabyte after they gave me a defective GPU with artifacts that had an unstable power plug that could have killed the rest of my system. I waited overnight at Micro Center for it. I waited another night to exchange it for an EVGA FTW3 model and couldn't be happier.
Ftw3 is one of the best for sure. Good thing they let you swap it, Microcenter is so good about that stuff.
Theses issues used to pop up during 2014-2016 with Chinese made gigabyte. We called them then grade B garbage
I actually remember this.
@@techwandoUS I give them Credit with their Taiwanese made products and their warranties up to 2015. But from their their quality control went down to the Toilet
Hopefully they make some sort of statement regarding the issue, it's clearly a manufacturing issue with the PCB and the traces being run in a fragile area of the board.
Appreciate your comment.
@@techwandoUS I hope they will get back to their well known quality and warranty policy. As a System Architect; I used their products with no issues.I appreciate your video and effort, along with Louis’s and other. As professionals we must have a stand when a service provider or a manufacturer tries to over step the boundaries of the “Quality Of Service” seems they don’t get the “ Return Of Service” from us or the community
@@ZGoddessLola thank you, means a lot. 100% agree
Thank God, my 4080 is still with in Warranty from BB, I'm going to return this Bad boy... No wonder BB only has Gigabyte Open Items for gpus,,, coincidence?
Have you found issues with it? It seems to be mostly 30 series, but Jaystwocents did a video showing off the flex of the 4090. Curious how many people have looked at 40 series gigabyte cards other then him.
@@techwandoUS I'm just not going to take a risk of 1000 dollars. I rather buy another brand and be safe than sorry...
I have a GIGABYTE AMD 7900xtx, but I bought the Y60 case, so I installed my card on its side, so that weight problem does not exist. I've been doing up to 650fps on BlackOps 4. Crazy! I've never seen those kind of numbers. It must be legit, because I'm going blazing fast. I keep getting the best plays at the end of each game. Happy camper here. (Don't hate me cause I'm beautiful) 😁
Yeah vertical mount won't run into this issue as easily for sure.
If this would be user handing caused only, we would not see 80% of dmged cards sold on ebay coming from Gigabyte only.
Bottom line is dont buy gigabyte. Ive found most of the cracked boards are gigabyte. Hit them in the profits and maybe they eill change how they build them.
Fushion 2.0 is enough of a malware esq program, that even before your GPU cracks, it ain't worth it for the software.
Maybe I'm being harsh lol.
My Gigabyte 3070 had this happen. Still performs the same but it still makes reselling it down the line very very hard.
What have you done to reinforce it or make sure it doesn't get worse?
@@techwandoUS
I just rescrewed the sides but to be honest, I can’t say it won’t get worse for sure. It could
@@sephondranzer probably cause use a GPU support bracket, one that can evenly displace the weight. Or just make something for the center and right side of the GPU.
@@techwandoUSI got a gigybyte 4080 myself the brackets that came with it pushed against the cables on my motherboard so rather than bend the pins the retailer gave me a GPU support stand for the right side. Reading your comment I'm thinking of getting a smaller one for the middle for just extra support... cautionary measure. Sounds like we have to take extra case with the size of these cards.
Defects are Normal, but the manufacturer needs to own up to it and fix it. As you saw Gigabyte is clearly trying to blame this cracking issue on the user when it is really Gigabytes fault for cheaping out on part. They also did the same thing with the exploding PSU fiscial.
I think Gigabyte needs to be sued and boycotted until they fix this issue.
Asus seemed to follow the same fate with their AM5 motherboards blowing up and not owning their mistake due to the SOC voltage being too high. They now recently updated their policy to allow RMA for these issues now. However are they telling the truth or not or they are attempting to screw us again. Unless I see proof that ASUS replaced a failed motherboard with another one without a hassle, I would avoid ASUS.
So looking at it you are down to MSI, ASRock, and BIOSTAR.
ASRock has been really good from my experience. The issue though is I have constantly done way more volume of Asus over the years, so I wonder at times if the faulty hardware also comes with my self made statistics. I've built around 80 PCs with ASRock motherboards dating back to 2012 (I tried to count this recently) and they all were actually great. All the other PCs (well in the hundreds) were a mix of Asus MSI and occasionally gigabyte (usually customer asked for Aorus or something).
An eye opener for me,gonna buy a gpu and it won't be giga bite
just prop the GPU up with a spray can lid and a few coins
Gamers get angry and smash the pc case and other things mid game which breaks cards. They are heavy. Pcs get badly treated all the time by gamers, kicking the case will do it. They repaste etc without having a clue about how to treat electronics.
Most rip PCs and laptops apart, drop tools inside and scratch pcb tracks and break them. Heavy handed and brute force attitudes are rife by home pc builders. Thats why warranties on pcbs are refused. Its far far from the manufacturers fault. There will be no class action because of this.
Its hurting their reputation maybe rightfully so . But im buying the discount
Not a bad way to look at it. I have many friends who travel with SFF PCs, or are always relocating for jobs. I think the concern lies within that crowd. Some light bulbs in a car could possibly crack your PCB. Just not something people should have to think about.
@Techwando i could imagine someone thinking that . But i really believe the damage is being done during the removal process. Pulling a hot gpu out of the holder without fully disengaging the back clip . Outside of that scenario, i can't imagine damage done at that location. That scenario is when that portion of the pcb is under load . Near exclusively. I think they'll be fine if you dont oull them when their hot and dont rock them out .
Alrighty. I was on the fence whether to replace my GPU this year. Guess that issue is solved.
I think I'll jump to AMD this year as well. Bye bye RT, DLSS, and CUDA... but welcome a lot more VRAM.
What are you upgrading from?
And this is why I don't buy gigabyte products
My Opinion = AVOID GIGABYTE PRODUCTS ! I have the same with a bad card in games, send it to RMA; wait 2 months. After that receive the card with comments that the card is working well , I assume they test it with solitaire game ....
Got me at solitaire game lol.
Bye Gigabyte!
that was actually not too bad for the old card
as I posted to L and Jay.. q is if GBs AMD card are suffering the same.. as I bet it's the same exact type of fiberglass used for the pcbs..
It most definitely is, I actually tested a bunch of cards just to see how flimsy my other cards are and none of them are as flimsy as Jay's video showing the 4090.
@@techwandoUS I wasnt referring to the 4090 with looked like it warranty made of playdo. I meant the order card.. with held up pretty well.. ive got cards have from current to wayyyy back... I probably even have some org isa cards in storage.
That said gb has gone through cycles of good and bad.. qc in p1/2 days they were ok.. p4 ugh.. k62 ok qual but CS warranty shit.. am2/3 good mostly.. but CS warranty even worth to the point we wouldnt supply such for anyone.. they am4 the cs improved.. only to to shit as we all saw with the bonus fireworks free with a new power supply..
So thisnfiasco I say they need a bitchslap.. HARD.. like asus got... and see of they pull their heads out of their asses...
Meanwhile asrock is still bottom of the bsrrel.. hell PC chips has better CS!
bull * i have 4 gigabyte cards
Doesn't have to happen to all of them, or they wouldn't sell at all lol.
I have had 4 gigabyte mobos and 3 GPUs go dead after a few months. the GPU was all in the same PC, the Mobos were in several buiilds I did for friends. ASrock has been my go to currently
Damn that's some terrible luck right there. Gigabyte has been on my list for most issues with motherboards. Nearly every gigabyte board I have seen has some weird issue. Could be bios, could be actual hardware instability. I stopped using them years ago also.