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Louis Rossmann: • Gigabyte's response to...
Gigabyte has been under heat because some of their Graphics Card PCBs have been found cracking. This in-turn, destroys the card and is extremely difficult to fix. Gigabyte has not really been issuing returns to people that have had this problem, which may show that they cannot afford to do so. This wouldn't surprise me, because AIBs have been treated very poorly by Nvidia and AMD alike. So if Gigabyte is stuck in the situation, which AIB could be next? Feels like only a matter of time.
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0:00- AIBs have a rough time
0:59- Gigabyte's Reputation
4:00- Inward Competition
8:37- Why EVGA Left
9:34- Who's fault is this?
11:48- AIBs can't control how GPUs are selling
14:25- Would PC gaming be the same without AIBs?
18:30- Graphics Card Designs are nearly Solved
20:18- What about Overclocking??
22:00- PPL aren't upgrading - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
Never had a Gigabyte GPU but I've built computers with their motherboards and they've held up well. A company like EVGA leaving the market tells you everything you need to know about the GPU market.
I had two Gigabyte cards one was a 1050Ti and the other was a 1660Ti, they were good cards had no issues with them but this will destroy their reputation unless they acknowledge the RMAs and preform a recall, which I bet they can't afford especially after that ransomware incident and everyone lost their warranty from it.
same, ive always gone back to gigabyte motherboards even having tried other manufacturers; their boards just have a kind of quality about them i dont really get from other brands, and im always surprised at the feature levels at the price points.
@@thomaslayman9487 I think MSI and Gigabyte make good quality boards Asus use to up until their self destructive AM5 boards.
No. It tells you about the Nvidia market. Nvidia sets a price for the chip, then they set a soft price ceiling with their founder edition cards. There's not a lot of wiggle room between the chip cost and the founder edition cards. I think the number is something like each card is 5% profitable to an AIB after constructing their own board and cooler. It used to be 20-25% only a few generations ago, Nvidia is slowly pricing AIBs out. AMD on the other hand has a much healthier margin with their AIBs. The numbers I've seen from them are somewhere around 15-22% depending on the GPU AMD is selling them. The thing people always forget when talking about Nvidia vs AMD for the GPU space is that AMD is not a GPU company. They are a CPU company that also makes GPUs. Intel and AMD have a different standard of business with their partners, if they priced like Nvidia does all the pre-built tower and laptop manufactures would revolt. That carries over to their GPU business. ASUS is making more off each AMD card sold than they probably are from every three Nvidia cards. But Nvidia is the volume seller. Sapphire is probably doing better still on margins even though less people buy a Sapphire AMD card than an ASUS AMD card. ASUS is a big name, Sapphire isn't. What Sapphire is is AMDs version of EVGA. They are the priority partner because they make AMD look good with add-ons like great customer service. Same as EVGA did. There's a whole bunch of other stuff, like Open Source Drivers. Implementing anything with AMD and Intel is a heck of a lot easier than Nvidia since developers can literally pull the code for the drivers to see how everything works. They don't have to be an Nvidia partner or pay Nvidia for extra support for help getting something to work. Intel and AMD are using standard CPU rules, not Nvidia rules. Nvidia has been so far ahead of the curve with GPUs they can dictate the norm for stuff like this. I'm also not necessarily an AMD fanboy on this, I just come from most of my time spent at a computer is Linux. And I would rather deal with Intel and AMD problems on a machine than Nvidia any day of the week. Nvidia is a nightmare if anything goes wrong on Linux. So the fact AMD and Intel plays by CPU rules with their GPUs is blindingly apparent to me in a way they wouldn't be for a Windows user.
The only gigabyte card I've ever had was a 1650 super. It ran like crap and was super loud and hot
I just wish EVGA would work with AMD and maybe Intel
I can’t imagine EVGA wanting to work with AMD after they dropped the price of their 7600 3 times? How do you start production for a card you think will be 330 and make a profit when by the time it releases its 270
Manufacture are getting just as bad deal from amd.
Intel can offer really sweet deal, but if you can't sell anything, it doesn't matter if your margin is 100%.
7600 should have been max 250$ at launch even though its value lies between 180-200$.
AMD and Nvidia are different clown in the same circus. Nvidia is a big bully to their AIB, while AMD is a clueless goof to their AIB.
for good quality amd has sapphire
Most of those gigabyte cracked gpu are from prebuilt pc it seems. And damage started during transport to end customers.
Glad someone's paying attention
That wouldnt explain why 90% of all dmged cards you can find are gigabyte. Because the share of broken cards should be in line with the share of gigabyte cards in prebuilds, which isn't the case.
@@Sly_404 because maybe 90% prebuild use Gigabyte due to lower price maybe? it needs to be investigated further for sure. But also this is due to their design imo. Normal use it will not break, but under some condition that design is the issue.
@@Sly_404no one is saying there isn't a design flaw with the gigabyte cards, but that flaw is being overblown by people who don't want to mention the very specific use case that is causing these cards to crack, Vex has to know this by now, and I'm assuming he left these details out on purpose for whatever reason
@@quatreraberbawinner2628jayz showed that Gigabyte cards are actually more flimsy then Asus for example
I always bought gigabyte for high power GPUS, because they were the only ones that had 0 coil whine in every model. The RTX4090 for example has terrible coil whine on any other AIB card.
do even founders cards have coil whine?
My 5700XT from gigabyte had terrible coil whine. Like I could literally hear scrolling in my browser trough my gpu (as in when the screen suddenly changed or had to update you'd hear a nice whine in sync with the screen XD)
Think coil whine is really a lottery, some individual gpus just have it more than others. Though I think a company's QA standards might vary (like apparently gigabyte thought my gpu was good enough)
@@zwenkwiel816 As a rule of thumb: if the AIB makes cards for both vendors and they're good in one, they aren't a good purchase on the other.
Asus, Gigabyte, and MSI, have been pretty decent at Nvidia. However when it comes to AMD, they generally aren't good.
How would you even know that? You're (most likely) massively over-generalizing based on an extremely small sample size of data. Do you seriously expect us to believe that EVERY other model of 4090 has "terrible" coil whine, including the high end models?
i have nothing to say about it besides that everything in this life is well structured depends on your decision in your life what you are doing between if you a company or just regular man (not like they are anything special just a company seller) you need to think really much deeper before you making decision also if you are making decision between between if its a smart or stupid one you need to know the consenquences that may be the result in your decisions
EVGA looks smarter and smarter every day.
To reduce the costs to the maximum they cut off too much of the PCB just above the PCIe connection to save some $ so with so heavy GPUs the PCB is just breaking.
Now let's add to this that people are now pushing their cards very hard when they plug the 12HWPR cable to be sure it is connected properly because of the melting drama.
And most probably some (or most) of these cards are from prebuilt systems so PCBs are breaking during transport because they are so heavy these days.
This is why I always tell people, “Don’t buy a Pre Built PC”
Always build yourself
I've been buying high end Gigabyte cards for the past 4 years because they usually had no issues with coil whine and were easy to take apart. My 3090 Xtreme has waterblock on it and is also supported by stand so sits perfectly horizontally in the slot. I always felt like Gigabyte's cards have much more "flexible" PCBs than other brands tho, it can really crack with that 4 slot cooler when you move the case around or kick it accidentally.
Never thought I’d be glad to buy Asrock 😂😂
People used to talk trash about AsRock but after the Asus mess AsRock is looking pretty good and honestly they have stepped up their quality in the last couple years
Looking at AMDs and Nvidias annual reports, it's apparent that both companies simply don't rely on the end-consumer GPU segment much anymore. Not only can the offset bad sales there with other, higher margin segments (commercial (AI) products, APUs, mobile products and gaming consoles). To make matters worse, these segements partially compete with each other for limited resources (particular silicone). Nvidia for instance is of the opinion, that end consumer products need to be sold at similar margins that they can achive on commercial products. If they don't (which they don't much atm), they simply shift production away from GPUs to AI. It's not that they actually loose out. The ones that hold the bag are the AIBs as they don't benefit from anything AMD and Nvidia are doing outside of the GPU segment.
didn't evga signed a non-compete with nvidia after leaving.
I know the plan of Jensen and it is frightening, but his intent, by every thing he holds dear and has alluded to, to go the Apple model for cards. That sucks for us as you want a card it will be an Nvidia only at whatever inflated price they wish to charge not caring if they sell them to us or not as, eventually, their goal is to get out from the gamer's market and go full on business AI/ML instead. When a card sells for 45k you can sell one, sit back take it easy, and it is equivalent to selling 30 4090s. Much less hassle for them.
Most AIB only selling discrete gpu as a side business. Gigabyte? Just look what Gigabyte product did linus cover at the recent computex.
@@arenzricodexd4409It’s still is the largest revenue contributor for most AIB partners though.
This guy gets it.
In the video Jay did about the gigabyte cards breaking, you could see that even though the pcb was thicker than the other card, (I think it was asus?) the gigabyte board had a lot more flex in it, as well as an addition cutout in the tab area weakening it even further.
This pcb cracking is caused by shipping the cards in prebuilds. Not by customers fitting the card or GPU sagging. GPU sagging can cause v ram pad issues after time use the support brackets or stands.
Oh man. I was about to go for the 4080 gaming oc. I'm not sure what to get anymore :D
I do think it's pretty goofy to say "NVIDIA IS GIVING AIBs 5% PROFIT MARGINS AND IT'S KILLING THEM CHECK OUT THIS RESEARCH" is the same thing as "AMD CHANGED THE PRICE OF A GPU A DAY BEFORE LAUNCH ONCE"
Like one is clearly showing Nvidia strangling the life out of their partners' business, and the other is a major inconvenience, but by and large the AIBs seem very happy with the cut they get on Radeon cards.
AIB-s are there to give the customers the impression of variety and choice and thus allows Nvidia to sell more cards. It's the same strategy that many international companies like Unilever, Procter and Gable and so on do. You think you can choose between 3-4 products but it's all made by the same company and the profits always return to the same company.
It's mostly with horizontal position cards. I have one that was mounted vertically and it still looks brand new.
The problem is that this board manufacturers get very limited profits from this things. Most go to Nvidia(which is why EVGA got their toys and left).
So when a problem in mass starts appearing they feel horror at the thought of compensating because they will make zero profit and start trying to find every excuse to avoid servicing you or compensating you.
My Gigabyte 1070 still runs strong 6 - 7 years later, can't say I had much problems with them. My old trusty 760 is still in a computer somewhere, Gigabyte as well.
You don't need to worry here in Australia, because we have comsumer laws that protects us form being denied a refund
The retailer Mindfactory in Germany lists the RMA ratios for their products, I looked at Gigabyte's 40xx series, all are 1% or less failure rate, in case of the 4090 it's 1.13% with 2800+ units sold.
After seeing their PSUs, I’m not gonna buy Gigabyte ever again and I’m glad 😅
Plus the whole insecurity in their motherboards, they're not having a good time
My first AIB GPU was a Creative Voodoo 2 8MB 3DFX accelerator add in card paired with my onboard Matrox 2D graphics chip, back in the day of my first windows based PC. AIBs came about in the late 90s I believe when a Pentium 233MHz with 16MB of RAM and 2.1GB HDD was considered an ok mid range spec.
Great video, i recently bought a used 6900 XT(MSI Gaming X Trio). Was told it was bought 2021 September. At first i had problems, 100-105C on junction. Even was asking to return it. However, actually its so big specially with the extra support bracket that i didnt notice my power cable stopped 1 fan from working.
After some moving around it can run newer games at 4K with a temp of around 84-87C on junction. Now the amazing thing is im running a 550W power supply, underclocked and undervolted it abit. Takes around 240W running 4k maxed god of war at around 75 fps in the start, also no more psu crashes.
Will soon get a more powerful PSU anyway, but this card is just amazing.
I ordered a 3-fan gigabyte 6750xt a couple weeks ago. Am I in trouble if I don't get a stand-thingy for it?
i specifically have a case with a horizontal motherboard because i was concerned with how large the cpu coolers and gpus have become. i didnt want that weight pulling on the board.
i had an fx8350 and a furyx for about 8 years on a regular micro atx vertically oriented motherboard, when i took the motherboard out it was bowed. cant imagine how much a regular atx board would have bent.
blows my mind they dont make more horizontal motherboard cases.
That is why AIB brand now are diversifying their product range... at least I see it from the 3 main brand ASUS, MSI and Gigabyte.
I have a gigabtye 7900 XTX which game with a support bracket, it would be virtually impossible for cracks to form with the support bracket installed correctly.
I had the gigabyte 2070 super and its sad to hear the woes...
I just replaced it with the ...yes, a terrible purchase... the Sapphire Radeon 7600 since it was smaller, less power use, less heat, and just a smidge better (2080 super) .... but I'm happy... love the thing... its a beautiful card too.
Grafix cards are NOT worth paying alot unless you are getting 4k ultra @150+ fps with no gimmicks, on an oled 4k tv/MONITOR with NO NOISE LIKE WHINE OR FAN, HEAT, AND UNGODLY TDP DRAW!
Thanks to this channel i made the jump to the Red team grafix.
I wasnt going to buy a card but i wanted the benefits i had listed. Yes, its still overpriced but not stupidly overpriced.
Keep up the great channel man...
Again, i love, love the Sapphire's 7600...
Make sure you uninstall the Nvidia grafix drivers properly... look it up amd get the chipset drivers too.. mine was an amd itx board.
Love Sapphire...what a beautiful card
I play in 1440... if you are curious
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I pulled my Gigabyte 3060Ti from my PC and the PCB seems fine, it's not flexy like in JTC's video. Maybe the cards to fail are the bigger ones even though this 3060Ti is the Gaming OC Pro thing that's not necessarily small. Also, they seem to have at least 2 revisions on most of their cards (at least 30 series). My card says it's rev 3.0 which I'm not really sure why would you do that besides fixing critical stuff like...hear me out...cracking PCBs...?
Mine is the 2.0 revision, and its been working fine since November. Now, I'm afraid to take it out of the motherboard out of the risk of cracking it.
@@rnwilliams44 I'm not gonna tell you to be afraid or don't care about it but I have my card since august 2021. The PC with the GPU inside has been in a car for a 60km drive on not so great roads. Besides that, I've pulled the GPU out like 5-6 times now for just regular cleaning. After all of this nothing's wrong on the GPU, I'm gonna consider getting a sag bracket probably but still. I can understand why you wouldn't want to get the GPU out though.
My daughter was playing VR and our old doggo ran across the cord yanking my whole PC over on its side, slamming down, the GPU ripped right out of the mobo - broke the locking pin right off the mobo, I quickly shut the PSU switch off. The headset went flying off my kid's head breaking on the floor. After some rage and reviewing the state of my machine, some PSU cables were jostled, shoved the GPU back into there, and it booted up just fine and hasn't had any problems. Pulling on your GPU with the locking pin locked shouldn't break your GPU if mine ripped the pin off at impact velocities. It's gotta be GPU sag due to lack of support around the PCIe slot part of the PCB and overall structural flimsiness allowing all the weight to bend that part of the PCB right there. If it was the locking pin cracking peoples' GPUs then this would've been happening forever with all GPUs, except it hasn't, it's only happening with these relatively newer Gigabyte GPUs.
I think that if gigabyte would be upfront and give a warning about sag or handling, the honesty alone would make me trust them, and I would just buy support for the gpu
Sagging is not going to crack these boards. If the PC is dropped maybe. In that case the card should be supported with some bracing. What I think is happening is these cards are so large the release mechanism is not visible and some people cannot remember where to press the mechanism for release so they forcibly remove it.
Not doubting that, but if Gigabytes PCB is lower quality than competitors, which is resulting in cracking it’s still an issue.
Why can't they supply one of those Graphics card stands ?
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat it doesn't need it. PC's are not supposed to be dropped.
@@inmypaants unless someone does a stress test on a good board we won't know.
@@0x8badbeef you think Gigabyte owners are more likely to yank the card out without correctly releasing? If these are the cards with cracks in the PCB and you think a driver is people not releasing correctly then it seems like Gigabyte either make lower quality PCBs, or their customers behave differently, or the cause differs from what you’ve suggested.
I have a gigabyte 700XTX that I like but it is extremely loud. I installed the card using the included bracket and I don't have any gpu sag. Looks nice, just loud though.
msi had problems with the thermal pads on the vram only cooling half of the chip.
I had a 2080S that was purchased at the end of 2019 that JUST so happened to fail 3 weeks out of warranty. This type of stuff is never "just once SKU", or just one segment. Gigabyte has been cutting corners for years and the results of that corner cutting are now manifesting.
did you mean function over form??? love the channel
personally own a GPU from gigabyte (RTX 2070 Super) that i own for 2 1/2 years now and it's got a 105°c hotspot (on one temp sensor only, while the other two temp sensors are at 80°c) that leads the GPU to ignore custom fan curves and just ramp up to 4000rpm that you can hear throughout the entire house.
i'm hoping that switching out thermal paste will fix it. maybe it was poorly applied in the factory or it dried up, but i'm at the point where i'm scared to pull it out of the PCIe slot because of the notch
😭
i started disliking Gigabyte when their RMA messed with me as well, i bought a B550M Aorus Elite from a PC Service shop back in december 2020, 6 months in and it already broke refusing to boot up, Gigabyte haggled that PC Service shop for 2 weeks just to try to avoid the RMA, then it took 1 more week to do the actual RMA, they "repaired" the board so well that now it boots up but it has a change to get stuck in the startup screen where the boot menu can be accessed, essentially having only the AORUS logo on the screen, needing to turn it off and on again. My dad also had a Gigabyte A320 motherboard that broke, he bought an ASRock and is much happier.
the other Gigabyte product i owned was a GTX 750 TI, which still works, it's in my dad's current computer
If all you can afford is a 4070 get a 7900xtx instead.
im glad that news like this spread like wild fire, i almost bought the gigabyte 4090 just cause its on the cheaper end and europe has like 300€ premium cost on the normal price.
Talking about the o/c on many current cards today even stock the upper tier cards are taking an extra 25-30% current draw to gain that last 7-8% of performance and as a result run a lot hotter with little to show for it.
Most people now on those cards are starting to under volt them instead of O/C them and cutting the power draw way down while still retaining very near the stock performance levels at a much cooler operating temp and helping out the light bill as a bonus.
It's been apparent that Nvidia wants to be like apple for years at this point. The second they moved their coolers to a dual fan design it was clear that they wanted to start edging aib partners out of the market. It's also why they wanted to own arm, so they could own the cpu side of things for their majority revenue side of the business.
Even their ceo is apple isheep...
@@idtechcelestial6507wym
I have read about people with 7900xtx's heat pipe problems that they bought from newegg from overseas. The overseas says "go to newegg for warranty" and newegg says "got to amd for warranty" and amd says, "you are overseas? go to newegg for warranty" and these people are screwed. USA laws make the retailer responsible for warranty claims but only for USA customers, supposedly.
I decided to give Gigabyte a go in the 90's when they were a much less known manufacturer. They were advertising their superior capasitors and at the time there were a lot of stories of caps blowing up on MB's (didn't follow the stories that well back then the internet was still a baby). To be fair to them they blew me away, it was a good board, it had a fan and sink on the northbridge, something only the most expensive boards had at the time. Even their BIOS was easy to follow (for the 90's that is saying something). So for many years I would used their stuff on and off, a MB here, a GPU there, although never exclusively, they slowly went up the ladder to become one of the best and most reliable.
Yet, in recent times, quality control during design and development seems to have fallen right off. Along with Asus I'm going to hold off buying Gigabyte for sometime, sometimes you need companies to fail to wake up the others, so they don't do the same things, like Fing over customers or cutting too many corners.
However we can't not mention the role the teams have on this (be it green, red or blue), the big boys are bulling the little guys into desperation, and they don't seem to care. Going to say it again, the future of PC gaming is being pushed into the exclusive/premium end, and it's not nice, something has to be done soon.
I have Gigabyte cards because typically compared to others, were cheaper but still had great cooling. My 2080 was always cool, and even my most recent XTX is cool (I'm hitting 65C when OC'ed on 460 watts) so design wise personally, I don't think they're bad (But size wise, they have some of the biggest cards ever) I was considering getting a EVGA for my next upgrade, but they unfortunately went under. Sapphire is also great, my friend has an XTX Nitro (which I wanted to get but was out of stock at the time), and he's the same temp wise. My 2080 Gaming OC is still being used and is doing amazing temp wise with an overclock.
The way I see it, regardless of what brand you go with though, it's a toss up. I'm fortunate enough to live next to a micro center and got their 1 year warranty, but I know others aren't as lucky especially with the RMA if they need to.
Well, I bought a Gigabyte gaming oc 4080 2 weeks ago before knowing about this but I found that the card is pretty solid. I think the issue was with 30 series. Anyway I was very careful installing it and no issues so far. The reason I went with Gigabyte was because ita has the best vrms and cooling out of all the other same price aibs 4080s.
My MSI 3080 came with a mounting bracket to keep sag from happening.
I had a Gigabyte RTX 3080 for two years that I pulled out of a cyberpower prebuilt, it was handled weekly to put in and pull out to test other cards, never had an issue
My last 3 cards were Gigabyte and I never had any problems.. strange.
Glad my card didn't crack I guess.
We can't get any founders editions in Australia. Only the more expensive AIB versions are available to us. Getting scalped.
I had a gigabyte aorus 2060 super, upgraded to an aorus 3070 TI, and recently an aorus 4090 master(maybe the biggest card ever), all on an aorus x470 gaming 7 wifi mb. No problems with any of them.
I believe the current issue is improper installation, coupled with bad power trace placement on gigabytes part. Big cards need more then the basic support, to believe all that weight would be held by a thin piece of pcb and not crack is funny. Many more brands may be seeing the same issue, only their traces are different so the same crack would not have any effects and never even be noticed unless pulled and closely examined. Msi has traces in similar path and I have found examples of the exact same failure on them.
In short take proper precautions and install proper supports. The 4090 came with a bracket for additional attachment points to the case making it rock solid.
Vertical mounting is definitely the way to go. Either way, Gigabyte and all the rest need to include an anti sag bracket/support in the box. These cards are just massive and for nearly $2k this should just be the standard.
A lot of newer cards come with anti-sag in the box nowadays but back then, I don't know.
I am going to have to say the problem has to be user error. I have used Gigabyte cards for multiple card generations, since 2008 or so I think and I have always traveled with my tower to friends houses for gaming sessions. I have a Gigabyte 4090 now, mounted horizontal and I used the included anti-sag bracket. So far so good. Knock on wood. Never had a GPU die since the early 2000s.
Best way to stop a problem right there, prevent it in the first place
My first GIGABYTE product was a GA-AB350M-Gaming-3...
The BIOS update was a mess... The audio driver had a weird issue where it would disconnect and reconnect my headset because the motherboard "detected" a connection in my front case audio jack. But there was none, so you had to disable it manually with some strange configuration. If you disabled it without changing that strange config, it would keep connecting and disconnecting my headset...
And it happened like 5 to 7 times every hour, randomly...
Since then, I've never purchased any GIGABYTE products again.
Right before the prices hiked during the "you know what"...I got a 2070 Super Gigabyte, now I have to crank the Fans because the controller won't in 3D or crashes will occur.
Just a quick note. AMD's reference card is also made by the board partners. It will say ASRock or Sapphire in their descriptions on New Egg
"PC Partner Group" makes the AMD reference cards. The individual makers (saphire, xfx, zotac, gigabyte, asus, etc.) are just reselling those reference cards, all made by "PC Partner Group". That's why you needn't worry about buying a super el-cheapo BioStar reference cards (biostar is a new maker and does not have a great name yet) as they are not made by BioStar.
In 2017/2018 my 980 died turning a corner in Final Fantasy 15, and Gigabyte sent me out a 1080 no questions asked. I've trusted them ever since. 🤷♂
Yup. Not touching gigabyte vidcards now.
In Australia we don’t even get Founders Edition cards!
I think intel is the only one.
Nvidia can barely supply enough FE cards in stock, I think it would be a bad move on their behalf to push AIB partners out. I remember when the 4090 released every AIB and FE card was out of stock for weeks! If it was just FE cards in the market, GPUs would become very unattainable. But perhaps that’s what nvidia wants? Unattainable GPUs prices are inflated as we saw in the crypto scandal.
They'd much rather sell the chips to proffesional market for triple the margins
We also get founders edition AMD cards, they’re just packaged by the AIBs but they are all the FE
@@inmypaants the cooler shrouds are not FE. It’s the AIB designs
There is no way nvidia want to remove AIB and selling their founders only. The AIB system exist so nvidia/amd/intel can get optimal profit by shifting most of the cost towards AIB. They only need to care about pure margin they can get from the chip. Although they usually still bundle their gpu chip with memory. But some AIB also secure their own supply of memory.
@@LukeBroadhurstfilm incorrect, you can purchase AIB versions (Ventus, TUF, Eagle etc) but you can also purchase a FE model from the AIBs with the same shroud, they are all identical. Google the XT or XTX mate, it takes 30 seconds to realise you’re wrong.
My 2080 was a Gigabyte card and it was still going strong after 4 years until I replaced it recently. It felt cheap and the fans were starting to get noisy. I went back to MSI for my new card and it feels higher quality with nicer fans. We’ll see how it’s going in four years.
Found a an extra screw in the box with a brand new asus 4090 tuff that failed last week. Had it for 6 months and the connector melted.
Also, when overclocking, waaaaay better to hit ctrl-F and set a voltage point, my 3080 is running 2050mhz @ 981mV, and it rarely goes above 250W. The adding 260, doesn't translate 1 to 1 like it's not your 1850mhz + 260. GPU boost algorithm comes into play there, usually 3080s with about +110 are already trying to hit 2200mhz which is rarely stable with Ampere outside of good 3080ti/3090/3090tis.
You almost need some kind of brace for your GPU. My RedDevil is nearly 2.25 kilo/5lbs , it sticks out past the slot nearly six or more inches.The entire GPU / case situation needs to be rethought where both ends add the extra support with thicker pc boards or new mounting methods.
I agree, my pc case has provisions for and includes a GPU brace solution which I have incorporated.
TOO many people worried to much about having fairground lighting and what the system looks like inside rather than a build that is best designed for trouble free function.
I am one that wants no RGB lighting and never look at my PC other than the front panel power/usb ports as what I worry about how it looks is on my monitor.
My cause is horizontal, with the motherboard mounted horizontally, and the graphics card mounted vertically, so there's basically no chance of this happening to me, and no risk of GPU sag... And I'm using a Sapphire graphics card as well.
Same here. I really enjoy horizontal cases
So is this only happening to their NVIDIA cards, or is this happening to their AMD cards too?
I've always had a soft spot for Gigabyte, and I'm building my new setup around using as many gigabyte parts as I can.
12 pin melting is not a user error its planned obselence badly designed connector that is not designed for margin of error and does not click in correctly with a clip that is only holding the middle instead of having much bigger clip of the entire width of the connector least
1000 IQ
Its multiple factors making Gigabyte GPU pcb crack.
- thickness of pcb is like 25% less than from other brands.
- bigger cutout behind pcii-e connector increase pcb weakness
- putting thin signal wires on weakest part of pcb instead of solid copper (ground) increase weakness on pcb.
- its also possible that quality of pcb is lower adding again more weaknes to it.
I had had RTX 3080 founders edition and it had terrible coil whine so it stayed in only about 30 minutes.
I only have an RX 570, but even that managed to f*ck up one of my PCIe slots due to its size.
Had to install and remove many times due to my midi tower build.
I have Gigabyte RTX 3060 12GB , This model: GV-N3060WF2OC-12GD .
The card is 2 fan model, very lightweight and short, doesn't sag at all. But those beasty 3-fan 3060's, 3080's, 3090's ....they are arround 30+ cm in lenghts with heavy cooling solution, they sag like male sex organ when you are drunk and hidraulics fail, and Gigabyte is using too thin PCB IMO to handle those material stresses. Usage of anti-sag supports is strongly advised. If you can't afford it right now, lay your PC horozontaly as a temporary fix. Good luck.
A lot tech companies want to vertically integrate
Honestly? This is honestly what EVGA knew way ahead. The prices are crazy and barely enough to handle RMA's. I expected this to happen as well but not this soon since I expected that to happen when the 4090 Ti Launches. AIB partners are gonna drop like flies and Ngreedia will soon find out what's gonna happen next to their company
Except Nvidia doesn't need gamers to make money anymore. They have ai tech development and they're leading the way making gobs of money.
@@27Zangle why for a couple years. Why they haven't been pandering to the 'gamer'.
I'm trying to get a 1k build, but I do need some recommendations. Could you help me out?
I have a Zotac 4090 and I have it propped up it's a chonky boy, I did have a Gigabyte 3080 Ti Vision it didn't need an anti sag bracket but they shouldn't snap like that.
When i saw this problem popping up I personally put it on the user. I know ppl are excited to use the card, but gigabyte ships them with a BRACKET. I had my gigabyte 4090 for 2 years and sold it for more than I bought it. I installed 3 fans underneath the GPU and I blasted my case fans to keep it cool and didn't overclock it because I realized replacing a case fan is less costly than replacing the fans on the gpu. Ppl need to take care of what they have. I have tons of gigabyte/aorus products and I've personally had no problems.
Is Foxconn making most of the PCBs accross the GPU market ?
Yeah, ASUS is having no problems granting RMAs now, because when they first told everyone to get bent, several Home Depot's worth of torches and pitchforks showed up to take exception.
It's because the cooling design has not evolved in 2 decades. For both gpus and gpus.
Because of how much heat components output today, and also the size of the PCBs increasing, PCs need a complete deisgn overhaul.
PC cases use the same design for nearly 3 decades now. The component layout we are familiar with, is no longer efficient.
1:19 Hey, there I am in the chat lol
Have a Gigabyte "AORUS" GTX 1080 since new. Zero issues to this day, must be a recent issue with 30/40 series.
My go to motherboard is Gigabyte, Atm running Aorus with 6900 xt ..also from gigabyte...no problem with either. Best ever board that i had was Gigabyte GA 7VAXP Ultra with ATI 9800 Pro ..way back in early 2000's.
MSI has certainly had some major problems a few years ago. 7:47 They've had issues with motherboards and with the way they handle PR.
There is also the still ongoing issue with AIOs that keep clogging up and them handling that issue poorly (by only offering RMA's in north America). But basically, if one was to choose PC parts according to how companies handle certain issues, one would likely not be able to buy a (decent) mainboard or a gpu and therefore not be able to even build one, at least not one suitable for gaming.
The terms ngreedia really starts to make sense when you view those percentages
Pulling and pushing would cause the crack to run horizontal. These are cracking vertically so sag makes more sense
I have a Gibabyte RX6800 GPU and luckily I never had any problems, I've had other GPUs from the same brand and I had no problems either, as well as motherboards from the same brand.
This does not mean that some come out with defects like many electronic products.
What if it catches my attention, how can you know if that was not a user error?
Most of those who build PCs, home users, we don't know if they are careless or apply a lot of brute force when tightening the screws.
And this can generate breaks in the PCB. It has happened to me in my first PC builds.
I am having trouble understanding how a 10 percent margin is enough to stay in business. Something doesn't add up.
It’s really more of a industry wide problem to be honest
Newer GPU’s are just to dang heavy.
You show me one person who used a GPU stand with a gigabyte card and still had the retention tab break, and I’ll jump on the hate on gigabyte band wagon.
Prolly ain’t gonna happen
Build my new PC this year after 10 years on MSI Z87 GD-65 Gaming + i7 4770k... finally chose Asus ProArt X670E for all the USB ports option and cheaper than the other shortlisted motherboard from MSI MPG ACE.. which is way too expensive and might not fit well as it is E-ATX.. but I think I have been consistently choosing MSI for all my GPU (Geforce FX5600XT, 7900GT RMA and top up to 7900GTX, Radeon HD3870, R580X, and now 7900XTX)
Partly because I have great confidence in the local distributor through RMA for my 7900GT, it makes all the difference...
By the way, I'm still pissed at the AIBs which specifically made mining GPUs with no IO, meaning that they couldn't be used by regular consumers (without running the output through your iGPU via the HDMI/DP port on your motherboard) and are now probably all going to that great e-waste dumpster in the sky. They took GPUs and made them into cards they could sell to miners for exorbitant prices while standard cards were nearly impossible to buy . A RTX 3060 Ti sold for 700 or more dollars, which is INSANE for a midrange card. This was the hype train they were riding and are now realizing that they're stuck in it while it's driving over a cliff.
I have never used gigabyte, and after the power supply thing and just them in general, I watch out to make shure I don't get their products
Is my Aorus RX5700XT affected ?
Thank you for the shoutout. I appreciate you.
Apple’s usually really good about post-warranty stuff. I had a 4th gen that was 2 weeks outside of the 1 year warranty and fried itself. They gave me a 5th gen iPod as a replacement anyway.
Apple’s hardware isn’t perfect, but the customer service is probably the best in the industry.
Every prebuilt computer should come with an anti-sag bracket for the GPU. End users especially non-builders often do not figure out in time the necessity of this accessory with these massive cards. If you don't have one yet, it's only a few bucks for a lot of piece of mind.
They cannot make PCBs thicker because the PCB thickness is dictated by the PCIe card edge connector's slot width.
Advice: whenever you use acronyms first use and define the entire word beforehand. It would be good to work in using the full word and definition multiple times in the video for retention purposes.
I have aorus rtx 3080 ti. glad i knew about this before i got it... got my self a lian li gpu bracket, holds well :)
Gigabyte 3000 series except for the 3070Ti have overheating memory due to poor thermal pads. They fixed it in 4000 series delivering one of the best memory cooling performance this time. My 4080 zero issues or cracking since launch.
man its must be rough for being high end user, and here I am with my Athlon 3000g still going strong.
It is best for graphics card manufacturers to do the same as motherboard manufacturers.
Produce a graphics card (without GPU), designed for a group of graphics chips and the graphics chips must then be bought separately by the customer from AMD or NVidia (i.e. a graphics card with a socket in which the chip is then inserted).
I miss when aibs were allowed to put more vram on the cards.
Where im working here in malaysia, even our shelves and our neighbor shelves, we cant sell at all the 40series. 30series still relevant
i have had and still have several Gigabyte GPUs and I have never had an issue with any of them. Except my 6870. They replaced it with a 7850. I still have nothing bad to say about them. But then I did not buy a 4090 that broke so...