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Yeah, a lot of people feel that now that a new generation is out I "need" to upgrade. The problem is the word need. Most of the time you don't "need" to do anything. Ok, if you have the money and you want to do it go ahead just don't think that you need to do it. A card like a 4070 Super can get you very good performance for a long time. Just use what you have. Bottom line is that if you can do the things you want with your computer and play the games you want with good fps you don't need to do anything. New stuff will come out all the time, it doesn't mean that you need to keep spending thousands of dollars to have them.

I am planing to buy a used MANLI RTX 3070 dual fan & it uses 12 pin, comes with a converter 2x8 pin to 12 pin...is it safe? I use old PSU Cooler Master Silent Pro M.2 1000W Silver 👀

Don't treat your hardware like an invesment. Don't "flip" your card pre-emptively. You may think you're clever, until its launch doesn't go to plan and you're met with tracking our of stock cards hundreds over MSRP for months. Prepare yourself for the possible outcome or be bitter later.

If you don't know when you should upgrade, there's been a universal answer: get the Nvidia xx70 or AMD xx80 class card every 2 generations, the closer to their release the better to keep the edge. CPU to the i7/lower R9 class every 3-5 years, generational uplift depending.

just built R5 5600 and RX 6700 XT not long ago, i think it'll serve me for next 3 or even 5 years.

So I get your point and it’s a valid one, but you shouldn’t feel obligated to make others aware. It’s cool that you care enough for others to make this content though.

The price of these cards are ridiculous but the performance lift over the previous generation is pretty darn good.

I have strong faith that amd will be giving us the value cards while nvidia will give us the overkills in price and performance. Atleast thats what i hope for. We are not going to be getting high end gpus from amd but mid tier should hit the spot for most gamers.

In my humble professional opinion, you failed him by trying to make an all-rounder build when he clearly intended to upgrade in the future. There's no excuse for needing to upgrade cpu and powersupply and shit just to upgrade a gpu. You should have foreseen that and got him a higher wattage PSU. I would never build a pc for someone in 2024 and onward with less than a 1000 Watt PSU because there's 80+ gold ones you can get with 12VHPWR connections for about 100 dollars and there's just no excuse for building any pcs with less than that. Hardware is only getting more and more power hungry. you SHOULD skimp on GPU when it's blatantly a place holder and further future proof the other components in anticipation of that.

In april of 2023, I came across a 13900KF 4090 32GB 2TB prebuilt for $2250. That price was the only reason why I got the system. It totally was a "fell off the back of a truck" situation without the guy selling it saying so.

Seeling your gpu just before a new gen drops and then buy a new one is an excellent strategy to stay at high end without investing too much at all. With Cpu's you can do the same space it out like 3-4 gens. Keeping a system too much (like 6 years +) is a good way to be miserable all the time because you are left behind on performance, you need to invest A LOT when you upgrade AND you get close no resale value at all on your older parts. Also i a great incentive to stay relatively in touch with hardware news and developments.

I went with 7800 x3d and 4080 super rog strix white oc edition. I love the setup modded cyberpunk with novalut blows my mind.

I have 2 rules I use to keep myself out of trouble. First, every purchase of "toys" must be in cash money (which actually means the credit card gets paid on the next bill). If I have the money set aside I can spend it. Second, I always ask myself "what problem is this new item solving?" Good examples of problems that need solving are: battery life is bad, can't run new games, is unreliable, is too big/small, and so on. I need to be able to say "I currently can't do X b/c of the limitations of my stuff." If I can't name a specific problem I'm solving then I don't buy said item. I don't know if this approach works universally, but forcing myself to be rational and not emotional is the key. Also none of the above applies to RGB. RGB is life.

i get what he is saying as i started like that. had a 1660 ti and upgraded to a 6700 then to a 7900 gre within the span of 1 year. but for me its just fun owning new parts. at this point i have absolutely no reason to change my pc as it is overbuilt for the games and other tasks that i do but i want so see how a high end nvidia card feels so i will most likely sell my pc in like 2 years and build a new one.

Built a 6950xt 7600x last year. Not planning on upgrading until at least the 9000 series and the last best x3d chip for am5.

Built a pretty wide range of performance. Honestly older machines are more fun to use. Cyberpunk plays the same on 5930k as a 5950x. Only real difference I noticed at near 4k between a 3090 and 2070 super was more ray tracing. Both use dlss performance to hit 60fps.

Your friend on a budget has more dollars than sense it seems. I can see why money is tight.

alright dont buy the new RTX leave them to me

I see your point but I can also see replacing a 3080ti with a 4070ti. I just replaced the 3090 in my office pc with a 4080 Super. The 3000 series were great cards but they ran HOT. The 3090 ran at 90-95C. The 4080 Super isn't a fancy model and it barely breaks 50C. The temperature in my office went down by 4C with the AC maxed out.

My 5800x3d is fine with my 4090 but if the 5090 is as powerful as they say then I'll go AM5. I just finished Cyberpunk 2077' and it's DLC. You'll run out of gpu at 4K before cpu for that game.

I have no idea what you are saying.. I only have a.. 4090.. 4080 Super..3090.. 3080.. 2x 3060ti.. 2070.. and a gt 720. 😁

Me watching this while simultaneously saving for a 5090 lol

Wait for something to break - because it will.

I don't think you can generalize CPU performance as you do. The higher the resolution the less important the CPU is. A 5800x3d running ultra settings at 4k will probably be sufficient to utilize 100% of 5080. Especially if you're running RT.

It all depends on your disposable income I guess. People are still buying 4090's at $2000 - $2500 while the next GPU launch is around 2 months away. Historically speaking a 5070Ti / 5080 will outperform it as well as 5000 will come with new tech (like FG for 4000 series) that's locked behind it.

This is the reason why i still have the GTX 1050 Ti 😂😂😂

ive always done a completely new build every 4 to 6 years once new hardware is actually worth it not just faster cards or what not but something that will significantly be an improvement over your current hardware get it in the space for a a week or two get in the loop on the current tech once builds complete gtfo and just ignore everything that comes out of it

I bet the 5090 still won't be able to do native 4K 60fps in those path tracing games. BTW, Nvidia still haven't released the "racecars" demo it promised at the 30 series launch.

Your friend is literally the market for those companies. Clueless person with alot of cash to throw away lol

A 600W power supply could power a 3080ti (350W)and a 5800x (110W) with room to spare, especially if you undervolt the GPU (300W). Your friend did not need to upgrade to a 1000W PSU.

Lol I'm green with envy. Your friends are too rich, I'm watching this on a circa 2013 4670k w/16GB DDR3 and 1070 GTX. I'm sure there are others watching with lower specs.

i felt quite insane when i purchased the aorus watercooling extreme 3090Ti... discounted, of course. Right after the 4090 launched, there were these huge discounts for 3090Ti cards. I live in the Netherlands and most 4090 prices started around the 2000 euro range. The 3090Ti founders edition was available for 1299, and the aorus came at 1500 euros. Since it also seemed that the 3000 series are a better match with the 10900k i was running the choice was soon made. OF course the intel B mobo had to burn out in the first week.... Luckily i found a nice deal for a z590 msi meg board but still Overpriced, Overrated but what a gaming experience!!

I've found Nvidia and Microsoft both follow a sort of "every other generation is the good one" system. Windows XP was good, Vista was crap. 7 was good, 8 was crap. 10 was good, etc. With nvidia, the 1080 was a beast and the 20-series was this half-baked pseudo upgrade just to introduce "RTX" but then they're useless for current RTX needs. The 3090 is still extremely viable and valuable, and the 40-series is leaning heavily on AI fakery instead of generating real frames with real power. I never buy anything during the bad cycles of companies who work this way.

As a mechanical engineer and industrial designer,the 4090 is a fantastic multipurpose card.The card is fantastic for 3D model rendering,FEA (Finite Element Analysis),video rendering and stabilization of drone footage.The other benefit of the 4090 is that it is less expensive than Nvidia’s Quadro professional cards.I think the way to view the 4090 and other future Nvidia top specification graphic cards is that their performance allows you to bypass at least one generation of card.The money that is spent on the card is amortized over a longer period of time thus creating greater value. I agree that of the sole purpose of owning a 4090 is for gaming,then the card is overkill.

you said your friend bought a 5080. They aren't even out yet, how did your friend buy something that isn't even released as of yet? unless you misspoke

I just upgraded as my 6700XT wasn't keeping up with my favorite game (modded cyberpunk) chose a 7900GRE, it'll be the most high-end card I've ever had, couldn't justify nvidia with their anemic VRAM. Should keep me going until hopefully something shakes the market up a little bit..

Thought i needed frame gen. everyone said it was great. no one ever mentioned the delay it adds. its massive and makes it feel like ur playing on a old ass plasma with 1 second frame delay.

What do you mean a 5090? Not even out yet.

For gaming, just wait for 5080 next year, or just get a 4080s if you can't wait. 4090 or 5090 will be an overkill anyway and just not worth paying that much extra for little more fps in gaming. But if you are rich and wants to experience higher fps in 4k or even 8k gaming for your brand new 4k oled 240hz monitor, maybe you can wait and see how much power 5090 will deliver. For AI, you can either get a 4090 now, or wait for 5090 next year. Don't think there will be telling difference, except 5090 will probably take less time for rendering (from 40s to 25s?) or training (from 24 hrs to 18 hrs?), unless the new card has 48 vram which gives you access to larger model, which I think won't happen until few generations later (maybe 7090?). If you are a pro and you want top performances for AI and money isn't an issue at all, the only way to do it is to get multiple A100 or H100 cards, which would cost at least 20-80 times more. So it doesn't really matter if you are getting a 4090 or 5090 for AI, as they will forever be entry level for recreational use anyway. But unlike other models, they are both very good for recreational use.

the fomo of the smartphones has plagued the pc community, a gpu should last you the same as a console gen and a cpu if its high end maybe 2 console gens. Heck theres people gaming on intel 4th, 6th, 8th gens and if their gpu is good enough they're running eldenring at 1080p no problem. I'm on Ryzen 5000 and all my games are running 120fps+ ar 1440p/4k i dont need to upgrade considering even the ps5 pro is on zen 2 XD

I feel like with new cards, you at least want to wait for the mid cycle refreshes - the supers or ti's.

I'm still running a 3570k with a 1060.

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A 5800x3d and a 4090 are only 6 months apart on their respective release dates. A 5800x3d was the fastest cpu for gaming at that time beating out the 12900k, i dont know where the problem is with that.

I don’t know what kind of eyesight you have but I literally can’t tell the difference between an i3-12100/RTX4060 and an i9-12900k/RTX 3090 Ti. 60fps and 300fps looks the same.

Cablemod is seriously sketchy. They refused to accept an unopened return because “It’s not worth the shipping cost”. They will NOT stand behind their product.

Seems like most companies anymore these days, are just a headache waiting to happen. Look the issues with Intel and AMD with CPU/GPU bs. Maybe I just got lucky 15 yrs ago with the ASUS board I bought, or maybe just a lot has changed since then with the company. I'm gonna give them another shot with the upcoming Z890 boards coming out in a handful of days. But one thing I have always liked about ASUS, is they tend to really jam pack their high end boards with a ton of awesome features, whereas a lot of companies seem to skimp a little here and there. The only thing I don't like about ASUS is their overpricing... I bet I'm looking at like $800ish for the board I'll probably end up buying... cause I know the Extreme is going for a little over a $1000. Ouchy.

There are things you haven't taken into account. It's probably the best time to take the leap of faith and buy a 4090 if you actually need one... before prices skyrocket which they have already started to. People... If you're waiting for a 5090, please consider that you're going to literally need new wiring in your home to even run it... most people will be sporting 15-amp fuses other than your dishwasher n stove etc... I'm serious... go look at your breakers... seriously... you're going to need 20 amps put in. That's where the 50 series is honestly going Imo lmao. The PSU upgrade is going to just be adding insult to injury because I doubt people will have the juice to run whatever godforsaken specs Nvidia will throw down, etc. etc. etc. I could make a giant list, but why bother. People need to make their own mistakes right. Do your own research and find out what your truth really is. I honestly feel that the 4090 is the card to buy. Buy a 4090 now and you won't need to worry about another card for a decade. My 3090 is still just an absolute monster at gaming and editing... the problem is I don't just game... I stream 5 days a week at 1440 right here on TH-cam and it's getting to the point now where I can still run the newest games absolutely perfectly but streaming them as well and maxing out the graphics and having it look awesome, perform awesome and stream awesome is now not gonna be the cake walk it once was. That's why I'm upgrading to a 4090... that and electricity is included in my outrageous rent bill lmao. I speak truth man. If you're someone in a similar spot, get a 4090, set it & forget it for years & years to come. Otherwise, you don't need it. Listen to this man, he's speaking truth. I hate that I actually NEED this card and having that knowledge has absolutely ruined my entire day. It also led me to this video though, and I gotta say man, I love this video, you should have more subs than you do. I should too if I'm being real, but lol that's the way TH-cam works... she's a fickle bitch. Keep up the good work man!

I've come up with a good philosophy recently. Always buy used, unless absolutely necessary. The way prices DROP to the floor on the second hand market when compared to MSRP makes it clear to me that these things don't actually hold alot of value at all. Buying a 3080ti for $300 in 2024 when it released for $1200 in 2021 is such a loss that it makes it unjustifiable to jump on a new release. I'll coast along with my "mid range" build that I got for half the price and think about all those extra dollars in my bank not being spent on my little videogaming hobby.

Great video! Mind if I ask what your go-to monitor you mention is? I'm a 2k person myself and have a 6 yr old Dell 2k and been dying to find something that might be better. Current monitor is 32" and non-OLED... so I'm almost expecting you say it's a 27" OLED. LoL