Shotgun vs Rifle For Self Defense, Which One's More LETHAL???
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- Today we are comparing a shotgun vs a rifle for self defense to see which one is more effective.
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As an Emergency Physician and having treated all sorts of GSW's, I can assure you without a doubt, a 12 gauge shotgun in close quarters is the most devastating round for home defense the average person can get their hands on period.
As a matter of fact, the 12 gauge is the preferred weapon for bear protection for good reasons.
It all comes down to energy the projectile delivers.
A 55 grain 5.56 delivers about 1300ft-lbs at the muzzle.
A 12 gauge Hornady Black buckshot which is what I use has a muzzle velocity of 1600 fps delivering about 2500ft-lbs at the muzzle.
This far from the most powerful 12 gauge round, some of them deliver well over 3000ft-lbs.
What the 5.56 is good at is longer range and being able to defeat body armor as well being lighter and carry more rounds.
As for the body armor not being penned by the 12 gauge, don't let that fool you, you do not want to be on the receiving end of that massive deformity, it will break all sorts ribs, sternum and cause internal bleeding that can be quite fatal.
Shotgun is definitely not preferred for bear protection. 12g doesn't offer enough penetration for thick skinned, musclebound animals. You want a large caliber rifle round, like 300winmag or something. And the biggest advantage of 556 is that it's light recoil, with decent power, so it excels at fighting multiple armed opponents because you can make fast follow up shots, and engage more targets at a faster rate.
@@brianfischer5609
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""Experienced backcountry guides prefer a 12-gauge pump for bear defense. It's generally easier to accurately shoot a long gun than a handgun, which makes a pump-action shotgun like the Mossberg 500 an ideal choice for bear defense. The Mossberg 500 can also effectively serve double duty as a home defense weapon.Aug 9, 2023""
The 12 gauge shotgun is so effective that the government in Alaska issues it's employees 12 gauge shotguns in the field.
Fact, the 12 gauge is the most popular bear defense gun in Alaska and the idea that a 12 gauge shotgun can't kill a bear is ludicrous!
Here is another copy and paste job from hunting guides for Alaska.
""According to Nelson, the 12-gauge slug gun is by far one of the most popular choices for bear protection in the Alaskan bush. While it is extremely effective, the main reason it’s been so widely-used is because shotguns like the Remington 870 and Mossberg 500 are a fraction of the price of bolt-guns and, in turn, that’s what the government has provided to its employees. Based on ballistic testing and field use, Nelson recommends Brenneke’s Black Magic Magnum or DDupleks’ Monolit 32 solid steel slug. The Black Magic Magnum is a 602-grain slug that carries 3,000 ft.-lbs. of energy at 1500 fps, while the 495-grain DDupleks leaves the muzzle at 1410 fps with 2,180 ft.-lbs. of energy.""
I'm not sure where you got your information, but you are wrong.
@@brianfischer5609We're going back to this "bigger bullets bounce better" bullshit? How many times does this need to be debunked?
@@brianfischer5609Tell that to the guides in Alaska that carry 12ga loaded with brenneke slugs to stop charging brown bears in their tracks. A hard lead slug will absolutely plow through a bear.
You should never use a shot gun for home defense. The spread of the shot will hit not only the intruder but also your loved ones. Shot guns are a bad idea for home defense.
In regards to the body armor test, it seems that both rounds would take the wearer out of the fight despite penetration difference
Close quarters, 12ga with 00 Buck. Beyond 20m, the rifle. I've personally used both in combat long ago, and the 12ga later, as a peace officer.
The 12ga is my number one weapon up close. That's why mine is right next to my bunk. I think that pretty much sums it up for me.😏
Sure you did.
Peace officer, give me a break. You sat in a car for 10 hours a day, wow.
@@HWG-wm8ldNot all police officers sit in police cars for 10hrs a day lol. Have you not seen street cops in action? Your missing out on the amount of action they see everyday. Im a security guard and i see it more frequently
@@HWG-wm8ldAnd what are you doing neckbeard sitting on your computer for 10 hours a day. 😂😂😂😂😂
With a modern buckshot choke and proper loads, I’m betting on the shotgun out to at least 50 yds. Imagine having a sight picture anywhere within a foot of the vitals and having a decisive hit. Rifles are great but if you’re an inch off the target it’s a clean miss. No margin for error
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I have been a fanboy of the 12 guage since 1966 when, in Vietnam, I saw two V.C. dispatched at about 20 or so yards using a Model 97. They were walking down a trail and tripped a flare. The NCO with the shotgun was backing up a machine gun position and the 12 gauge fired twice before the M-60 gunner could loose one round. The hits literally blew the small statured enemy off their feet. Two quick 12 gauge shots neutralized the 60 or so rounds carried by the two enemy in their AK's.
I made up my mind at that moment, that the twelve gauge with 00 buck is the load I would want in a defensive situation, when over penetration is not the issue.
I did not have a chance to ask the NCO wielding the Model 97 if he pulled the trigger twice or if he had just kept it pulled and racked a new load into the gun. I have not had the opportunity to play with the Model 97 but, I understand that some of these weapons could be tweaked to fire as a new round was loaded, with the trigger held back.
My shotgun for self defense is a model 870 Remington 12 GA with a Remington supplied short barrel. I had modified this gun with an aftermarket extending sock and pistol grip but, reverted it back to the standrd stock on the advice of a Sheriff's Deputy. Rationale is that the standard stock configuration doesn't look like a "Rambo Weapon" and it would probably play better if the shooting went to court.
I did remove the spacer from the magazine. allowing me 4+1 round capacity and have an elastic shell holder on the stock with a few additional rounds. I have a flashlight mounted beneath the barrel which incorporates a red dot - zeroed in from about ten to twenty feet.
I do not intend to shoot anyone at a greater distance because a longer distance might negate a self defense shooting (unless I was being shot at).
In regards to terminal performance we can look at the results of the Ellifritz Study. It should be noted that the rifle data includes various centerfire cartridges, while the shotgun data includes all shotgun calibers -- but 90% of the collected data was from 12-gauge.
-- Handguns as a whole combined for a Fatality Rate of 28% on head & torso hits. Conversely, Rifles had a Fatality Rate of 68% and Shotguns 65%.
-- Ellifritz also assessed Incapacitation Rate. These were instances where an assailant was struck with a single shot to the head or torso and stopped what they were doing immediately without being able to fire another shot, deliver another blow, or move more than five feet. In this category, Handguns scored 56%, Rifles 80%, and Shotguns 86%.
-- The study also attempts to study the phenomena of "psychological stops" by assessing cases where assailants are incapacitated (same criteria as above) albeit with strikes anywhere else on the body -- such as the extremities -- not just the head and torso. In that regard, Handguns scored a 36%, while both long guns scored 58%.
-- The average number of head/torso shots required for incapacitation for each weapon type is also included by Ellifritz. On average, Handguns require 1.87, Rifles 1.40, and Shotguns 1.22. I assume this is factoring in individual trigger-pulls, not projectile impacts -- so the shotgun results shouldn't be skewed by buckshot.
-- One of the more interesting (or perhaps scary) tidbits of data from the Ellifritz Study is the "incapacitation failure rate". Basically, for this section he looked at instances in which assailants basically refused to be incapacitated regardless of the number of shots they were hit by and where they were striking on the body. You know all those stories about guys soaking up rounds and continuing to fight whether due to narcotics, mindset, or whatever else? Yeah, this section is for them. For Handguns, this happened ~20% of the time*. For Rifles, 9% and Shotguns 12%.
*Note that the Handguns results are skewed somewhat on the low end by the presence of .25 ACP, .22LR, and .32 ACP. These rounds were found by the study to have a statistically notable higher incapacitation failure rate compared to every other cartridge in the study. If you just limited it to the primary service pistol cartridges, the results would probably be somewhere around ~15%, give or take.
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Shotgun results are skewed as well, it includes all types of shotguns and shot. A 410 with #9 shot would be counted exactly the same as a 10 gauge slug
@@HWG-wm8ld Scroll on.
@@jacobackley502 I agree in theory, but 90+% of the data gathered was for 12-gauge. Considering that Ellifritz had the presence of mind to exclude things like .22LR, .22WMR, etc. from the Rifle results even when they were fired from a long gun and since he took a large amount of his data from officer-involved shootings & military engagements, I would assume the majority of his results are likewise featuring projectiles like buckshot and slugs.
I wouldn't rule out the presence of birdshot and/or .410, but without having spoken to Ellifritz personally I can't say for sure how well-represented they are and if they're more than a drop in the proverbial in the bucket.
Ellifritz mentioned that birdshot was included in the study, and said it performed horribly (can't remember the oss % tho), but didn't mention how often it was used in the study compared to buck or slugs, and he also said that 12 ga slugs had the highest one shot stop rate of 68%, on the active response training website.
10:15 can we appreciate the accuracy in this shot? Dead center in the middle of the forehead, well done good sir
5.56 makes a hole
12G removes a part of the body
Depends on how much you wanna clean afterwards i guess lol
That 5.56 will make a hole at a distance that a shotgun will never reach
@@rickytorres5293yup, that's why rifles take the lead. Shotguns are good, but not when your target is beyond a hundred yards.
@tullo5564 my house isn't 100 yards long.
Removes a body part?
Clueless
This ain’t the movies
No mr president said it would blow the lung out of the body!😊
A rifle is for precision, capacity and long range. A shotgun is for maximum damage and close range.
For bad guys entering your home uninvited, a patterned shotgun with good ammo is hard to beat. I keep a 590A1 ready beside the bed at night. I live out in the sticks in South Texas. Nobody is near my place. My closet neighbor is almost 2 miles away. I am my first responder.
12ga is a beast and is definitely part of my self defense lineup, but im goin to my 556 first.
Awesome video, thanks man.
Yup, level 3A stopped the buckshot. After the buckshot drove the vest 3 inches into your chest.
Easy answer - Shotgun! 😁
You ain't lying I got both 12 gauge hands down
My personal preference is to use the rifle if I need to defend from a slightly longer distance or if there are no other homes close by and I'm sure I won't hurt anyone else if it penetrates. I like the shotgun, possibly with a low power or just average load, for closer engagements or if there are homes next to me or nearby, and I have to guard against collateral damage from penetration. As I was always told, and firmly believe to this day, you need to pick the right tool for the job. They are BOTH excellent self-defense tools.
00 buck penetrates more layers of drywall than 5.56 does. Don’t believe me? Look it up!
@@armedpreacherand 00 buck over penetrates the intended target, unlike 5.56 rounds (and hollowpoint soft lead foster slugs) that expand and fragment. Identify your backstop as safe or not and dont miss...
Shotguns!
Distance is a factor.
Distance is THE factor.
Not so much in a self defence situation, ie if you shoot someone carrying a knife with an AR @ 200 yards, that’s murder. If you do the same thing at 10 yards, it’s self defence. Have a great day, and hopefully you never find yourself in either situation 😊
@@Perry969 That's a dumb scenario. What if they have a gun at 200 yards?
@@TreeCamper200 yards inside of the house? Come on now.
@@anthonyburnett1002 yeah. People live in remote locations with wide open spaces. Picture a farmhouse.
Your channel really grew man! Congrats and hope to see you at 1 million subs one day. You’re def one of my top firearm TH-camr. To the point, no long intros, decent tests, and decent firearms.
Excellent stuff 1SHOT!
Keep'em coming!
I love these practical and realistic videos. This is the exact decision I’m trying to make for my next purchase, which will be a dedicated home defense gun
If you're going with a shotgun. Just buy a Maverick 88 for 220 bucks. Will literally never mess up. I have 3 with 3k plus through each and one is all buckshot. Never had a issue. If money isn't a issue get a beretta a300 patrol. And if you want to just use the best overall option. Get a cheap AR that works. Nuff said
@@zanegardner6488 Well said good sir
@@zanegardner6488if you go the Mav 88 route, buy some wolff increased power magazine springs. That is the number one problem with those guns, and a 8 dollar spring will keep that gun reliable for 30+ years
We need these 3 critical things for our physical vitality.
Cardiovascular system
Respiratory system
Nervous system (spinal cord and brain being things that can shut a person down if destroyed)
00 buckshot tears through with 9 pellets in a concentrated area depending on barrel length and distance. This will definitely cause severe leaking in an attacker, and will probably hit multiple organs. This will make any rational person give up and wish they never tried to harm you.
Rifles have velocity advantage, that can dump massive amounts of energy causing a shockwave that rapidly expands tissue. This can disturb multiple organs, and is said to be “rapidly incapacitating”.
Rifles are more ergonomic and you can land more shots easily than a shotgun.
But I don’t think rifles are good as shotguns in close range because shotguns disassemble an attacker in a gruesome manner.
This really depends on the shooter and where they live, because both tools are very effective at what they do.
I’m just happy to see another fun video from our boy here! I couldn’t choose which is best overall but I know i what I would use
Great channel man love the content
Thank you. The time, effort, and money you put into these is very much appreciated.
Thanks for sharing hope you get feeling better I’ve been fighting a recurring ear infection 😢 great video
The 556 may penetrate but the energy displacement from the shotgun will kill the target all the same.
Arty will vaporize someone with a direct hit but the shockwaves from it kill and injure far more.
Cool video, I did enjoy it
Great video! My husband and I were trying to decide whether to get a 2nd AR-15 or a Shotgun for home defense and this was perfect to see. Now to weigh the pros and cons of each and go make a purchase.
"Home defense" infers , to me, in- house or at-the-door encounters.
Shotgun wins, hands down....arms gone....head to pink mist. Pretty much instant cessation of the "fight"
If you consider chasing about the South 40, then yer rifle might be a better choice.
Assume the average home in US is 2000sf...equiv. to 40'x50ft **clear span** of 65 ft diagonally, or21.66 yards.. Now add in walls, halls and furniture. Just how fsr do you think the longest shot would be? Most shotguns will keep everything inside a Q target at 10-15 yd.
So.....unless you hit CNS or a heart shot with your 5.56, the fight *could* still be on
JMHO😂
I keep a short barreled 870 stuffed with 00 bedside. I have a plethora of 556 guns but I really believe in buckshot for hd.
Some people believe the world is flat.
Thank you for the video ! ☺♥
Been watching you from your 1st vid! And I'm still entertained!!!
You can get 12ga extreme penetrator rounds that go through soft body armor like it’s paper and some plates as well. I have twenty in two ten round magazines ready for just about anything.
Keep in mind that just because the armor stopped the bullet from penetrating, doesn't mean that the impact force can't still be deadly, or at least cause some serious damage
FYI carbonation doesn’t really add anything to the effect. You can save money and a mess by using water.
I always fill soda cans with water cans for air guns. The water makes soda cans very reactive and helps to see when you hit at distance. Plus it’s way more fun.
12 gauge in home defence ranges is difficult to top IMO. But to gain a bit more range/distance the AR-15 and it's various rifle chamberings (5.56, 6.8SPC, 6.5 Grendel, 6 ARC) has that advantage. Thank you.
For best self defense home protection get the daisy powerline 880. Best stopping power and magazine capacity.
Don’t do that you’ll Shoot your Eye Out
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At least there is one person with a brain in the comments.
Awesome very informative
As a former LEO, I would chose the 12 guage because it stays local. Likely to be stopped by a wall. An AR miss would penetrate multiple walls and might very well penetrate a residence with potential great harm to innocent bystanders. Multiple threats at greater distance? AR for sure because of distance and accuracy.
Bedside gun is a 12 gauge w a light. I would personally rather get hit with a 556 than 00 buck.
This is why you are my favorite GunTuber!
Well, that’s a loaded question! There are so many variables, including cartridges used in either gun and calibers. I know you know that, and it makes for a great discussion. Love your videos!😊
Dang! Great comparison keep ‘em comin!👍🏻🇺🇸
I’ve shot a lot of stuff from cars, refrigerators, washers, dryers, toilets, etc with all types of 12ga loads. I have found that BBB is devastating and rips through steel better than buck shot. Try shooting a vest with it. BBB loads are loaded hot to a faster velocity to make up for their lack of weight. They travel at 1500fps, small 18cal, and are steel so they don’t deform.
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The impact of the 00 buck just crushed an I’m pretty sure it killed the wearer. The 5.56 moving at 3xs the speed of sound, an the 00 buck approximately the speed of sound, neither is very appealing to be hit with. The 5.56 with 30 rounds is devastating.
Thanks
the shotgun close is second to none.. the compromise is the round count and recoil, but if you do it right 1 round ought to do the job lol
And how many cool guy units use shotguns? Not talking about breaching. Here’s a hint, it starts with the letter Z.
@@HWG-wm8ld Home defense =/= sf units. Stop larping and go practice at the range.
Enjoy your channel weekly. My 'go to' self defense weapon is my .300 Blackout w/subsonic rounds if they are outside the house....if they're inside, my 12 ga pump with 3" #4 buck; strong enough to drop anyone, yet will keep the rounds inside the house. Both have lights & laser sights. Hope you feel better soon brother!! God bless
Fun video. For close up I think I would get a Keltec bull pup.
I have my Steven's model 320 security for my bed sure gun. I keepnit loaded with wunchester super x defenders. Great video. Keep up the good work.
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I had too much funny emotions during of watching this video . Thanks a lot. You a great man
Very awesome video brother! 😄 I like both as both are versatile an pretty narly. Plus ar platform has few lowers to match multiple uppers in calibre . I'm waiting to see a 500 auto max or 50 Beowulf if it's ever a oh crap scenario. I like the shotgun as it's pretty good for close .medium range an many loads an types as well as powder loads . I personally have a 410 mossberg 500 pump action as my bedside gun with a wide variety of rounds . For backup i have my 17hmr an 270 winchester rifle . For xtra added protection i plan on getting a 416 Rigby. Plus a rock 5.7 or a Taurus raging judge for conceil cary for out an about protection. Loved the video keep up the awesome job brother 🙂🤘🇺🇸 an I hope you get better soon as colds can be a pain but it is the season .
Side note - that Nobel Sport "low recoil" 00 buck kicks like hell. Shot a bunch of different rounds back to back through my Mossberg Maverick and the Nobel Sport had drastically more recoil than everything else I shot. Love the Winchester Super X
Would love to see a ballistic torso with body armor vs 12g 00 & slug. Wound area & depth of damage/trauma may rupture organs... Maybe BA on a big pumpkin full of red Dew!! As always great vids with spot on info..
Grand thumb has something like that
The Mossberg Shockwave is my bedside choice, equipped with a Crimson Trace Laser and Federal Force X 2 00 buck ammo. Five rounds plus a card of five more rounds velcroed to the side. Also available is a Springfield 1911 .45, two Glocks, 9mm & .40 cal. I sleep well at night…😉
12ga brass slug in the shape of an oversized Extreme Penetrator... Rips through IIIa like a hot knife in butter. But not commercially available to my knowledge. Thanks Taofledermaus
I never got around to buying an AR, and my state just passed a 10-round magazine capacity limit. Since it's against my principles to own a firearm that's been reduced to 33% of its nominal effectiveness, I'm sticking with my shotgun.
RIA VR80 or Citadel Boss 25. They made em for you lol
@@MalcolmTurnerKing I'd probably go VRBP100, actually. Handier indoors. But thanks for the advice! 😉👍
fantastic video i think for home protection shotgun def otherwise rifle have a great weekend keep those vids coming
Ha! I liked the idea to fill the pumpkins with soda :) Although Code Red is delicious to fill yourself with from what I remember.
12 gauge 1oz slug 1700 fps 2900 foot pounds vs 22 cal 55-62 grain 3000 fps 1100 foot pounds, yeah that seems like an equal comparison
Now move a hundred yards away and change your statement
@tullo5564 even further out, the 5.56 still loses a lot of energy at further distances. The shotgun is superior in cqb situations.
@@tullo5564slugs are accurate out to longer distances than you think.
Another factor is the recoil of the 12 ga vs the 556
You guys are pure comedy.
man i love physics. Velocity is king! great video.
Mossberg 590 shotgun with shortie shells in OO Buck. Shockwave works for me!
You deserve million subscribers
You should get the tango down stubby for a vertical grip on your BCM. It’d match more and you can use a light switch pad on it
Very impressive
What some people don't realize is, yes, the 3a stopped the pellets, but the blunt force trauma would be fatal within a couple seconds.
I don't think it would be fatal but I dk believe it will break ribs.
Maybe a slug would kill you, buckshot might be incapacitating but you would survive.
What’s your source on that one?
With the right load at the right distance they would still be catching pellets in their arms, throat and face when shooting at the chest.
if the shotgun was sending enough force one way enough to kill someone with its raw energy alone dont you think it would also be you know dangerous for the shooter given how theres an equal and opposite reaction to every action
You sound super innoying all the time lol😂. Iz ok, great content as usual ✌
It takes three weeks to get some heads 😮
That first session brings to mind a frickin' awesome idea for "carving" a pumpkin! Who needs a face.
I was literally about to comment, “fill them with water or some other liquid” then…. You did it 😂😂
There’s a lot to consider based off the situation and your surroundings. Such as unpredictable animals, distance, your accuracy with that weapon, and what could be behind that threat. At the end of the day, I just assume use a pistol with hollow points. I live in a trailer park (trailers having thin and soft outer walls), and we have some small dogs that would be going after the threat.
You can just run some hollow point .223/5.55 rounds they are already good at fragmenting at speeds above 2600 fps even with fmj rounds but with a hollow point the brass jacket will fragment and the lead core expands to cause gnarly damage but not over penetrate
Fluid dynamics. Fun
I have thumbs up and subscribed I appreciate your content time for you to go to Thunder Ranch and take me with you long time ago on land far away a senior NCO ask me if I had ever fired a handgun before and I said nope and he told the first class Gunner's mate this guy's a natural seems like you're not too shabby your damn self
Nice to see the mag-fed Shockwave getting some love on this channel
My bed side is a 10inch AR with a banish 30 suppressor, and a Timney Calvin Elete Trigger and a Olight.
Thanks for letting us know, we were all wondering.
Olight? That’s a tell.
You got that crap going around! All 3 of my kids got really sick this week and it sucks for them. Luckily I never got it. Love the videos! I would really like to see these videos done with more effective 556 rounds and not just ball. Well I stand corrected, lol. 77 is a good option.
I think he did a video comparing green tip to ball if I’m not mistaken. I know banana ballistics did a comparison
Yeah that video of the first 5.56 round said it all. That brain went through an instant blender action.
Man I love that old trench shotgun. It’s gorgeous
That whole fluid displacement thing. Hydrostatic shock is a major force with bullet wounds. Its gotta go somewhere, so "away" is the avenue fluid takes.
Sorry if this is off point bit you mention Black Hills Ammo in 5.56 77 grain. Do I have this info correct? If not, please tell me your favorite 5.56 in 77 gr. Thanks
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Great job
Yes I grew up hunting
Dad collected over 150 guns
Ive killed everything out there basically with everything out there
My philosophy
Is lengthy
1 got to have your rifle
2 best have extra to share
3 you have to also have shotguns
Flares ,birdshot,buckshot,slugs,less lethal,
Listen
It takes all the guns
To be well versatile
And capable.
U have 2 arms
2 hands
1 gun is bad idea
3 eh
Get more
I have a diablo 6inch left thigh holster
40 cal 96a1 appendix
Ar10 bedside 5 mags fmj
And the vfr14 on the way next.for the left shoulder sling
Great topic! And it's going to be debated Ad nauseam I'm sure. My personal feelings on it, if I'm using a weapon for home defense inside, it's going to be my Bullpup shotgun loaded with birdshot first as a warning shot, consider yourself warned if you get hit with birdshot then a couple of rounds Buckshot and a slug to back all that up. I like the shotgun for the less over penetration in the case of being indoors, but for outside I would prefer one of my ARS either the 556 or the 308. You can't sneeze at the results of Buckshot into a ballistic vest, the amount of damage caused on the back side of that just from blunt force trauma is going to make it a lethal hit probably. And if it's not they'll probably stay down anyway if they're smart. Hope you get to feeling better soon!
I went with the AR-15 as my dedicated home defense firearm. As this video proves, it does exactly what it needs to do, right up there with a shotgun, but it also gives you a heck of a lot more shots, and the ability to reload very quickly. Also, a soft point 556 has less intermediate barrier penetration than 00 Buck. In addition, unless you have one of the bullpup shotguns, a 16" AR is more CQB friendly than an 18" shotgun. Oh, I forgot to mention less recoil, faster follow up shots, usually lighter... There are just so many advantages, I'll leave the shotgun for the fudds, lol.
What type of clip is on that shotgun? The ammo clip thank you
I would be interested in seeing a video of effectiveness of a Ruger 10/22 for self defense. Maybe use a magazine with sufficient round capacity. So many people have 22lr. Thanks!
Thanks for the video.
Have you done a video where you fire the 12-gauge at a torso wearing a 3A vest? I wonder whether all of that force hitting the vest would break a person's ribs. Maybe that would produce a stop even if the pellets didn't penetrate the vest.
It will easily break ribs and cause some internal damage but should be survivable... unless the impact stops the heart.
You would be pretty lucky to still be in the fight.
@@Impalaplayer Thanks for the reply. That was my thought, but I can't remember off the top of my head whether I've read of that situation tested in real life or in some kind of simulation.
You should do a video testing armor vs shotgun on a ballistics dummy
A 12 gauge loaded with federal flite control 00 buck is devastating . I keep slugs on hand just in case also.
Could you do a shotgun video with the barrels filled with quarters like in one of the Resident Evil films (forget which one), if its even possible. Thanks.
So what you are saying is that getting shot would suck...correct?
Ok the soda made a big difference! Lol
The soda trick is a Paul Harrel move. Know your roots 😎
Water in the pumpkin is better than soda for that first pumpkin test.
The CO2 in the soda is likely helping in the reaction (rapid release of carbon dioxide pressure)
I don't believe the explosion would have been the same with water
Check out sabbath slugs for shotguns. I don't know if they're designed to defeat body armor but they will at least the pistol rated
You are very good at making these videos ♡
Dog you shit a smiley face in it ! Finish carving it and keep it man ! Toughest was to carve a pumpkin lol
How would the 3A bobdy armor do against a spicy slug?
No cheap, discount sodas for THIS man's viewers! He went right to the name brand stuff! :)
Anyway, another fun video. My take from a long LE career and this experiment: A 5.56 will kill you, a 12 ga with slug or buckshot will kill you more dead. :D
You're gonna have some happy critters with all that Mtn Dew infused pumpkin everywhere..
slugs are usually supersonic. not really slow per say but yeah standard 556 moves much faster but since it is lighter i doesnt dump as much energy into the target
What rifle you running?
Well…I’m going with the one that gives me more rounds, more maneuverability, less recoil , better ergonomics and handling. Then I’m loading it with the proper rounds designed to dump energy and not pass through such as the Speer which is what I’ve heard most LEO use in their duty rifles for that exact purpose and reason.
One and done works for me. Plus I don't need my neighbors 3 houses down getting hit by stray shots.
@@Impalaplayer Why do
You Think You use the gold dots dummy. I would also hope you aren’t just blindly shooting like a scared little girl. It’s a rifle that is easily accurate to 300 meters. You can’t put hits on target at 20 feet or
Less ? If you are going to miss with an AR within home defense range you should probably just buy some pepper spray and dial 911 and hope they send someone that can shoot and they get there fast enough
brutal!
Your surprised pikachu face is priceless.