"I can't lock on them, they're moving" Wait, Chekov! What did you do between the last movie and this one to unlern how to beam extremly fast moving persons? Have you forgotten everything? WHAT?
@@BrickFleetwood they were also spinning and rotating a lot in the first one so not much of a difference. Not to mention, during Spock and Khan's fight, they are mostly separate from each other. When Sulu and Kirk were falling, they were literally holding each other. Would it have mattered if they transported to Khan and Spock up to the ship and have a security team waiting for them? And by your logic, why didn't he save Spock's mom? See my general comment below for further details about that since I already mentioned it.
Well he actually forgot in the first movie in like three minutes so you can't blame him in this movie. He was able to save Kirk and Sulu while they fell to the Earth but couldn't save Spock's mom! A person he already had a lock on and who's position only changed vertically due to gravity! A constant he has in his head since he used it to save Sulu and Kirk not five minutes ago!!! Even if it was the gravitional pull from the Black Star, he already calculated that when he explained what was happening to Spock. And to say he didn't have enough time to get that value is silly because he made it from the bridge, to the transporter, took controls of the transporter, and inputted the gravitional constant all before Kirk and Sulu went splat!
That 55 seconds of logos is one of my favorite parts of the ST movies because of the mini overture of chilling, moving music we get. It builds up the emotion and tension before anything even happens, I love it. Reminds me of Shaun of the Dead doing the same, with the very creepy music setting the scene for a minute.
2:20 The problem with Kirk is mentally and emotionally, hes basically going on a revenge quest because Khan killed the closest person Kirk had to an actual father in the Kelvin timeline. 2:25 That is probably a Vulcan ship as Vulcan ships usually have the red/brown color scheme of that ship. 3:30 According to the book, Uhura worked a minor miracle but that still doesn't explain how a starship can communicate from Klingon space to Earth so this is still a sin. 4:45 Scotty somehow doesn't know that the Enterprise has been shot as when Kirk says "We're a little low on power" to Scotty's request to get beamed up, Scotty says "Why, what happened to the Enterprise?" 5:18 I'm pretty sure he actually crushed his skull and head... which is actually worse, I'm glad they didn't even try and show that. 6:10 Sulu is a pilot, not an engineer, he was probably wrong. 6:58 Khan pretended to be stunned earlier.
The Sulu thing, I think he would be correct (if they actually had it happen that way in the film) simply because he is a pilot. Although he may not know all the nitty gritty details, I think knowing what the ship can survive and what its limits are, are important things for any pilot to know.
At 5:30 CinemaSins dude says "Unlike some idiots on youtube, I know that there's gravity in space", but in the EWW The Avengers he says "how can Iron man fall to Earth when there's no gravity in space?". *ding*
That would be because the "idiots on TH-cam" they're referring to are themselves. They're actually acknowledging their mistake and mocking themselves, so, no Sin. The real sin here is that despite normally pointing it out, they didn't Doctor Who is that? on Mickey Smith's actor appearing in the movie.
I think in this they're referencing the fact that Earth still has a gravitational pull from that far away, while the other one is referencing the fact that there ARE NO LARGE ENOUGH OBJECTS NEAR WHERE HE WAS IN AVENGERS TO CAUSE HIM TO FALL IN THAT DIRECTION
+Burn Schauerte Honestly, that's the kind of thing that even someone without a degree should know It's sad that people don't You just need to know that gravity is directly connected to mass to figure it out yourself But I'm sad to say that I had to explain that simple fact to my PHYSICS teacher in high school! People aren't taught to think at school which is why they are limited to repeating what they heard eventhough it's wrong And I know what you're thinking: that I'm frustrated by that and feel the need to whine about it on youtube And I would agree :p But, at the risk of sounding very dramatic, I mostly hope that people who read this or hear me say it anywhere else just think about it And it might be asking a lot, but I hope that my whining might actually bring just one more drop of thinking to the world Because there's more important things people forget to think about than physics :/
Sayonara Chainsaw In the Avengers video he didn't mean no gravity in Space _at all_, he meant in that particular part of Space on the other side of the Portal. The Chitauri Ship was in a completely empty area of Space with no planets or stars close by and therefore nothing to create a Gravitational Pull strong enough for Iron Man to 'fall' back towards the Portal. If anything his momentum should have kept him moving towards the Ship even after he'd let go of the Missile.
Good stuff guys. Really enjoyed this movie. I have one bone to pick: Spock is the only eligible person to do that "Action-hero-fight-scene" because he also has super human stength. Kirk would get punched right off the platform in one stroke of Khan. Spock and Khan both have incredibly resilient bodies, so they're an understandable match. Everyone else is only human or an extra.
Taymanator0051 I agree! I also take issue with the "mind rape/stealing Pike's memories thing," though I can tell CS was being extremely sarcastic. Spock even says it himself later that he was trying to comfort Pike at the moment of his death.
you havent seen the scene in the orial series in which spot and kirk were made to fight (available on youtube). it was such a tight match they ripped each others shirts in turn, baring they lovely nipples
I thought it was established in Space Seed that Khan and the other Augments possessed about five times normal human strength, whereas Vulcans on average have about double normal human strength.
I always thought (and still do and don't know why no one else seems to) that Khan going down from one stun shot earlier was a feint to make the others think he was stunned so he'd gain the upper hand. Which he did. Khan is a superhuman and brilliant tactician, he's also not completely dumb. He took into account that Kirk would turn on him, planned for it, and pretended to be stunned when the opportunity presented itself.
+year111 original KAHHHHHNNNN!!!! the movie have Spock go in without the suit too.... Even though that movie clearly have engineers WITH radiation suits.... I think they said it was because there is no time or some shit in the original KAHHHHHNNNN!!!! the movie
+year111 Androids clearly exist in this universe... why isn't there a repair team of them in there at all times? But there is one on the bridge to say one throwaway line of dialogue in a cool voice?
+Nova Sky TWO throwaway lines of dialogue. But I agree. Any self-respecting outfit working long-term around hazards like ionizing radiation would have SOME way to protect themselves from it in case of emergency.
+Delta Plus actually he went in with one, that's how he removed the original cap but the gloves were to thick to ralign it so he actually has to remove the gloves to finish it
Bipin seriously, what a terrible way to go to. Such a tragic accident. I wonder if they're going to recast Odd Thomas and have sequels, or if Odd will just die with him.
So sad. I took my mum to see Beyond since she's been a Trekkie forever and we both said after that we felt that little bit of pain every time Chekhov was on screen. So sad
I'm afraid that you are wrong, the brown-coloured ship is the USS Armstrong (NCC-1729) an Armstrong type star ship. It was commissioned in 2258 under the "United Federation of Planets". this type is the only type of star ship, that was ever painted brown.
Incorrect. It would be the USS Excelsior. NCC-1729, which was an Armstrong-class ship. The USS Armstrong, NCC-1769, was destroyed in the first of the "JJ Trek" offerings in the Vulcan system.
I've got more than that. 1.) They use a cold fusion device to freeze a volcano. Uhhh, cold fusion just means it doesn't have to be hot to get the fusion process started. But fusion is very, very, very, very hot, like in the sun or an H-bomb. 2.) Twice in the movie, the ship gets knocked out of warp early, but both times, it just happens to come out a short distance from where they were going. But warp speed is like hundreds of times the speed of light. And the moon is only like one light second away from earth. So if they hadn't dropped out right at that instant, they would have crashed into the planet! 3.) They leave from Klingon space and it's all one continuous fast-paced scene that ends with them being knocked out of warp. It's all presented as them being in warp for a couple minutes, not hours or days. I know I said warp speed was fast, but you'd have to be going like 100,000 times the speed of light just to get to the nearest star in that amount of time. And since the Klingons are presumably much farther away, we're talking about millions of times the speed of light. Space is like really big. 4.) They come out of warp in shuttle range of the Klingon home world, but not beaming range. But then there just happens to conveniently be some other habitable planet, which is conveniently uninhabited, in range for them to play with the torpedoes. What? Where was this place? Why don't the Klingons use it if it is so close to their home world? How are there two habitable planets in the same system without major temperature differences? 5.) They take a shuttle to the Klingon home world and the Klingons didn't just intercept them in space and blow them away. Is this militaristic race not keeping track of alien ships that approach their home world? That's far worse than Starfleet missing one of their own stolen ships approaching their headquarters. 6.) Why do the Klingons have an uninhabited part of their world? And if it is uninhabited, why are there structures there? 7.) Gratuitous Carroll Marcus in her underwear shot. Not that I'm complaining. But if you're talking "movie sins," that really served no purpose whatsoever other than to to put a little sex in the movie. Or maybe you could complain it wasn't a long enough scene if you're okay with that. 8.) You mentioned the Tribble, but there were a TON of silly nods like that to the original. Way too many. Gorn baby reference. Mud reference. The fact that Carroll Marcus was in it at all. 9.) The Klingon moon, aside from being in a dangerously close orbit, is all blown to pieces. This is supposed to be another one of those nods, in this case to the sixth movie, where that moon blows up. But that happens when Kirk and Spock are old. There's no reason for the moon to have blown up 30 years early in the alternate timeline. And even if it did, in the sixth movie, it delivered such a crippling blow to the Klingons that it was what prompted peace talks with the Federation. So did they just go on fine with a blown up moon in this timeline? 10. They were close to the moon and when they lost power, and the gravity of Earth pulled them in. You mentioned that it would take a lot longer than two minutes from that distance, and are completely right. But they were closer to the moon, so the moon is actually what would have pulled them in, not the Earth.
"Why do the Klingons have an uninhabited part of their world? And if it is uninhabited, why are there structures there?" Probably the same reason we have uninhabited ghost towns on our planet.
*+MP197742* @ Warp Speeds Warp actually gets redefined in each new rendition of Star Trek. In TOS, warp factors were an exponential progression starting with the speed of light. Warp 1 = Speed of light = 670,616,629 miles per hour Warp 2 = Speed of light exp.2 (lightspeed x lightspeed) Warp 3= Speed of light exp. 3 And so forth. (Full impulse, btw, is 1/2 the speed of light. Just FYI.) The only limitations on how fast a ship could go was how strong you could build it. In several episodes, Enterprise went warp 9, 10, 12, 16, and whoever was pushing it that far above its normal warp-8 limit was told to stop because the structure of the ship couldn't take the strain. (In the TOS movies, the warp scale was the same, except that warp 1 was simply referred to as "Warp Speed".) In NextGen & Spinoffs (including the movies), the warp scale was reinvented so that starships couldn't ever go faster than warp 9.9 or they'd coexist with all points in the universe. (Which always sounded like BS to me, but no one asked my opinion.) In JJ-Trek & STID, there is only one warp factor. That warp factor is known as "Punch It". @ Moon distance in light-seconds. The Apollo missions demonstrated that radio delay from Earth to Moon was 3 seconds. Radio travels at the speed of light, which in seconds is 186,282.3969444444 mps. 186,282.3969444444 mps x3 seconds = 558,847.1908333333 miles. @ drifting to earth. Knocked out of warp at 237,000 kilometers above earth. A kilometer is a little less than a mile. That would place the just-got-its-ass-shot-off Enterprise somewhere between 1/4 and 1/3 the distance between Earth and Moon. Which means that it is closer to and will fall toward Earth, not Moon, but with no warp, no impulse, and no thrusters, it will fall at the same speed as, say, Apollo 11, and take over a day to arrive. If JJ wanted the damaged starship to auger in any sooner, like, say, in 3 minutes time, he should have just had Sulu say "We've dropped out of warp in Low Earth Orbit, Captain." And yes, it beggars the imagination that they would get shot down exactly at the place they were trying to get to anyway.
Didn't recall them saying the distance they were from Earth. But according to Google, the distance from the Earth to the Moon is 384,400 km. So 237,000 from Earth would be substantially closer to the Moon (only about 17% the distance from the Moon to the Earth). Plus, you could see that the Moon was right there by them.
MP197742 When they were shot out of warp above Earth, Sulu reported their distance from Earth to Kirk. Google also gives the distance to moon in non-metric units, coincidentally being 238,900 miles, which is numerically similar to the number of Km reported by Sulu. (That 384,400 km is measured at perigee, of course (closest point). Apogee is 406,720 km (furthest point).) On the one hand, we may be looking at a common cinematography trick (simulated by computer, of course) having to do with using a longer lens to compress the distance between the foreground and distant background for dramatic license. On the other hand, I'm not sure I trust a film producer who does not understand that cold fusion is *not* used to freeze things solid, to also understand the difference between miles and kilometers, or for that matter, the difference between having engines be stone cold dead or having them be running at full power out of control, (Dialog said all engines were dead, but the dramatic plunge from over two hundred thousand kilometers away to well into Earth's atmo in a very short time says "runaway impulse engine" to me,)
MP197742 Afterthought: This could also be a veiled reference by JJ & crew to something that happened frequently in NextGen, (We already know that JJ was hot to weasel in as many references as he could.) In NextGen, Enterprise D would often face off against some ship or another that was *obviously* close enough for someone on Enterprise to look out a window and read the titles of books on shelves of crew's quarters through the other ship's windows, and the helmsman would always give Picard a distance to the other ship in tens or even *hundreds* of thousand-kilometers. It's a possibility we should consider.
Was anyone else bugged by the fact that the little "fur thing" that came back to life because he had khans blood on his system was still laying on that desk after all that the ship went through?
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When Bones said "The hell you are" He wasn't talking about physical health. Pike had just died before that scene. He was worried about Kirk's emotional state.
Statalyzer We did, apparently, as the camera zoomed out of Spock in an attempt to be dramatic, which of course wasn't successful due to the whole concept...
Man, I didn't notice it when I watched it, but the lens flares really are excessive. It cuts right through the screen just like how they don't in real life.
Physics Major here, with a few sins to add: *They jump off cliff and into water* Yeah, hitting water from that height without extensive training in high diving or super superfeet is thirteen and a half different kinds of impossible. *Bomb freezes volcano* Not sure detonating a cold fusion device could do anything to an erupting volcano, other than, you know, blow it up. *Torpedo door closes on Bones' arm* Pretty sure a door intended to seal a warhead to prevent tampering would have no problem crushing Bones' arm. If you're telling me there's some sensor that prevents the door from doing that, then you have a sin of plot convenience. *The Enterprise is forced out of warp* Ok, they drop out of warp, with inertia carrying them at high speed toward the earth. A few things: Firstly, the first thing any starship captain should do after dropping out of warp near a planet is establish a stable orbit around said planet, unless landing is intended. Later, we learn that the Enterprise still has thruster power, and computers capable of calculating a line of sight trajectory. A few seconds of thruster power in just about ANY direction should be enough to ensure the Enterprise never even gets CLOSE to crashing on Earth. Second, mere moments after this guy says they're 237,000 km from Earth, heading TOWARDS the earth, they show the battle clearly taking place a good 387,000 km from Earth, near the moon. Uhh, nope. THIRD, the ENTIRE FU**ING CORE WORLD OF STARFLEET INTRAGALACTIC OPERATION was taking their union mandated smoke break while a fu**ing BATTLE took place within the moon's orbital radius! I mean, sh**! Back during the APOLLO missions, we could track spacecraft as small as a Starfleet escape pod on and around the moon, but I guess tracking technology in Starfleet times has regressed to smoke signals and paper maps. *Spock call* Spock calls future Spock, and future Spock somehow alters his own past...I think. I don't know. Point is, just by talking to his younger self, he is disrupting....something. Again, I don't know. Also, say! Why didn't the Enterprise call Starfleet and say, "Hey! Just wanted to give a quick heads up, uhm, this guy is blowing up our ship full of innocent people, so don't believe anything he tells you, and also, you might want to clear the city, because we MIGHT hit the Earth at a velocity high enough to cause a 7.0 earthquake." I'm sure future Spock can wait. *Kahn transports the devices over to his ship, cut to them blowing up and Khan screaming "NOO"* A device capable of scanning a torpedo down to the quark in order to transport it on board to your ship should be able to notice a rather alarming DETONATION SEQUENCE in said torpedo. Also, no. *Ship tilting causing gravity to go haywire inside the ship* Science fiction writers dont understand how free fall works. If artificial gravity is online, they should not notice the ship tilting. If it's offline, they should float around like in the ISS. But the filmmakers dont have the budget for that. *Ship falls through the clouds, and then rises back up* Okay, so hold on, they're traveling perpendicular to Earth's surface, TOWARDS Earth's surface, at a rate of speed that looks like....a few kilometers per second (the length of the Enterprise is around 800 meters according to google). But let's be generous and assume they're going Mach speed, or 343 meters per second. In order to decelerate to zero velocity in about, say, 4 seconds (so they have time to dramatically reemerge from the clouds, they have to provide thruster acceleration of 1G, PLUS 343m/s divided by 4 seconds, carry the one...multiply by pi r².... so about 9.75 G in total. My point is, NONE of these guys are in any shape to do anything other than puke on the floor a bit, if not completely pass out. *"Sir, there's no way anyone on board survived that!"* Correct!
Um, why would the scanner even be programmed to detect something starting to detonate? Why? I honestly can't think of a reason, other than, if it was in the movie, plot convenience.
@@nikkiofthevalley Stargleet transporters HAVE to scan things in order to transport them, they have to disassemble the object then reassemble it at the destination. Startrek lore says the object does get scanned down to rhe quark. Which means you'd HAVE to notice the detonation sequence.
You forgot a big sin here: When the admiral beamed carol out of the ship, the fucking shields were up. They just said beaming is impossible while the fucking shields are up. What a sin. *ding*
Legendary Spyro Except that the Admirals ship was more advanced in just about every way. It is not inconceivable that the transporters would have been as well.
yu nofun Not really a good point, since even in Next Generation, Voyager, etc, far in the future, they still had to lower shields to transport, to my knowledge, the only ones with the ability to transport through shields was Species 8472 and the Borg (and whoever the borg assimilated it from)
at 6:47 Chekov says he can't beam them up from a transport because its moving. but in the first movie he somehow beamed Kirk and Spock up to the ship while they where falling from a drilling platform tens of thousands of meters above the planet. Ding
Scotty beamed them onto a moving ship in the first movie. Chekov couldn't because he didn't know transporter technology as well. It was dangerous enough when Scotty did it as was described in the first film pretty plainly.
Huh...... You guys don't understand, he can't beam them cause they are moveing and the black hole in the first movie made it easier to compensate gravitational pull now you understand unding
Okay, I've got a sin for you "OKAY! KIRK CAN BE BROUGHT BACK TO LIFE WITH SUPER BLOOD! Oh...but how do we get some? Okay, Spock is already doing his best to kill Khan so let's just make his little revenge quest ten times harder by telling him he has to subdue the target instead of just murdering his ass? That sounds like a solid plan!" "Um...sir, I actually have another idea." "Wat?" "Well, we have like 72 superhumans that are still stored safely in cryo tubes, right? Why don't we just pop open a tube, steal some of their blood and stuff em back in a tube?" "Um...too dangerous, our plan will work fine..." "But we could move the cryo tube into one of our cells, I mean Khan couldn't escape that cell before could he? Plus, he wasn't all that violent when he was first woken up. Now all we have to do is set everything up so they'll wake from their cryo sleep or whatever then get everybody out of the room before they fully come around (I mean they'll be groggy and s**t) then threaten to murder the rest of the crew if they don't give you a sample of their blood. Khan was perfectly fine with giving you a sample of his blood, surely they would be too? Besides, if that doesn't work out then just gas 'em and get the blood after they crack their skull from falling on the metal floor." "..." "Also Khan thinks you just murdered his entire crew, maybe if you just TELL him that his crew is alive and well and will remain that way so long as he surrenders, he'll turn himself in!" "...You just got yourself a promotion. Hey, you, red shirt, start prepping one of the cryo tubes."
Joy Woffindin You are, and I am, but apparently Dr. McCoy doesn't know how to do that... or just get it from the other 78 FUCKING POPSICLES on the ship who had the same magical vampire-blood. .
+GuessWho195 Not to mention that the same vampire blood was injected into a tribble which can now be extracted from the tribble to give to Kirk. Unless of course if the life of a human isn't worth the life of a tribble.
+GuessWho195 Just one question: if it was illegal to use genetic engineering to cure people, wouldn't McCoy be violating the law by using Khan's blood to cure Kirk? If so, why wouldn't he be court-martialed for doing so? Also, wouldn't the blood also make Kirk super-human like Khan? The only way it could work, would be if it was full of blood-borne retroviruses that contained the augment DNA code, that patched any living thing that it encountered to make it super-strong, and Kirk's cells were still alive and able to recombine them. "And so, your friend is only MOSTLY dead!"
It surprised me, because Benedict is a far cry from Ricardo Montalban. I would have never guess that the former could ever possibly be a replacement for the latter.
I love the "standard issue personal transwarp device" call back its a huge plot hole since "standard issue" implies its just that "standard issue" everyone should have one just like they all have Tricorders and Phasers, that's what "Standard issue" means
Everyone should have one, but they later mention in the movie that Con was the first person to create one. Scotty then implies that Con used his engineering know-how to create it.
So it's not just the troops, it's the ships too! You'd think they'd either make more, because what sort of force puts all their important people on one ship, or flat out ban that color all together because every color except red seems to live with no casualties whatsoever. Actually, why even color code it at all? I've never seen Star Trek, at least not the original series; is it their specialization or something?
The uniforms were color coded on the original series because network television went full color in Fall 1966, when Star Trek debuted. In fact, they were red, green & blue (RGB) uniforms. The green unis didn't transfer well to film (or TV) & always appeared to be gold.
tommy toggle I actually knew this. Pretty interesting stuff. That's why in the original series, there are a few episodes where Pike's shirt is actually green (they attempted to switch fabrics while using the same color, but it read differently under the lights and didn't come out gold). They did use color to indicate specialization as well, though. :)
Seeing Sherlock as Kahn was a big transition. Is was so hard to see him as anything but Sherlock. It will probably be hard with him as Dr. Strange next year too.
when they realised they can use the healing properties of khans blood to save kirk then why didn't they just take the blood of one of the other people in the cryo tubes?
That would've require un-freezing at least one cryo-tube person...which means they could wake up, which would mean a second Khan-like character to prolong the movie and/or create a sequel for.
I loved this movie but these flaws are well caught on in this video xD Oh but, Kirk did not have a medical problem, he was distressed by Pike's death and that's why the doc wanted to check him out. Aside from that every other detailed mentioned here is spot on. Keep it up.
Man Anton was one of my favorite actors of all time because he seemed so real to me, especially when I first saw Charlie Barlett. Sucks how he's gone now..
I was watching the TOS episode, "The Tholian Web" just recently, and who should divulge the secret of new-timeline Khan's phaser-resistance (not to mention fist-of-Kirk resistance) but old-timeline Leonard "Bones" McCoy, MD. Obviously, Khan had recently pounded down his daily dose of Theragen-derivative prior to allowing himself to be captured on Klingworld. When Bones passes out his cure for the maddening effects of Tholian space to Spock and Scotty, he tells them "After a jolt of this, you could hit a man with phaser stun, and he wouldn't feel it, or even know it." Khan must have used his super-intellect to figure out how to use Theragen, a Klingon nerve gas, to render himself impervious to federation stun-weapons to keep himself occupied while waiting for his federation pursuers to catch up with him. (Yeah, yeah, that's the ticket....,).
Another sin: Chekov or whatever his name is, in the last movie could beam Kirk up while he's in FREE FALL. But now he can't beam up someone if they're fighting?
to be fair if they were in free fall at least they would have a constant downwards velocity once they hit terminal velocity that could be accounted for, but their movements in hand to hand fighting would be erratic and unpredictable
You missed one: scene where pike talks to kirk about losing his ship looks almost exactly like the scene in mass effect 3 where shepherd is in his room talking to that guy about how he lost his ship. Seriously, the rooms look almost exactly the same in some shots, how did you miss this?
Maybe because he doesn't want to assume that everyone in the world has played Mass Effect 3 the joke's gotta make a hit and that'd be flying over most peoples heads.
Okay okay, I hate to nit-pick. But the one about Khan's resistance to being stunned... The first time he was stunned, on the Vengeance, he wasn't actually unconscious. He faked it, and then popped right back up to break Carol's leg and kill Pike and all of that other sh*t. So needing like, six or seven shots to stun him isn't that big of a shocker- We already saw earlier that just one wouldn't do it.
ALSO... even if the Phaser did stun Khan, there is a reason why khan is a "super-human"... his body probably became "immune" to the phaser... if that's at all possible... i'm sure it is.
See, that's my problem with reboot!Khan. They tried to make him a family man. All he wants is to protect his family, save his crew, blah blah blah. I like the original Khan and his augments because their relationship was built on the knowledge that Khan was supreme. Joachim's dying words to Khan was 'yours is truly superior'. This way, Khan has their loyalty because he's the alpha dog, and it allows him to chase his ambitions. Instead of risking everything to 'save his crew, his "family"' he will drive the crew harder towards the goal, and if they die, he will AVENGE them. Again, Khan's an alpha pack leader, not some deep-voiced family man.
ShehbazAhmed5 That's not refuting my point, that's only giving more credit to it. Again, Spock is the only one strong enough to fight Khan. Khan being stronger doesn't refute that.
Bumbleness Supreme Brady In TOS, Kirk, who was 5 times weaker than Khan, still managed to beat him in hand-to-hand combat by pulling a control rod out of the warp reactor control panel and ringing Khan's chimes with it, and then using it to bludgeon the genetically-optimized villain into the floor. In the new timeline, any human could have done something similar. The fight isn't necessarily won by the stronger opponent, but by the opponent who best uses every advantage the situation offers.
+TheDetailsMatter you're forgetting the difference in arena. They were essentially roof hopping on a highway at 70mph. And Kirk would have no chance of catching up to Khan in the first place; On foot Khan was a great deal faster. Spock was the most physically capable person to contend with Khan on the ship.
I don't think he "tossed it in the dumpster"(in fact the 2009 movie is one of the best Trek movies I've seen), but I've always thought that somebody should finally do Star Trek in the 25th century. Someone creative could easily pull it off. I know TNG was so popular, but they stayed WAY too long in Picard's time.
I don't know why they just didn't look for the off switch on that bomb. All bombs have off switches, so I've been told, otherwise, terrorists would get into so much trouble without them. Anyway, please do BBC Sherlock.
They should really hire this guy to go over the script or screenplay for some of these movies. The amount of plot holes in this was way to much for JJ Abraham
OH MY GOD the thing about Kirk's kicks... That made me cringe so hard. I was like: WHAAAAAAAT????? He was kicking it dOWN. The angle was all fucked up, it couldn't have moved it. haha
It was explained to me that Khan was faking it that time he got stunned by Scotty earlier in the film - he's resistant to it, hence the multiple shots by Uhura at the end
How does genetic engineering a human, make him resistant to phaser fire? What creature were his genes infused with? Khan is supposed to be a human, but with amplified abilities. Not phaser resistant.
@@exponents2046 something doesn't have to be "infused" with another creatures genes to evolve. It could have had mutations. I don't know much about Star Trek but there's no reason I can see where he couldn't have just had this trait
To be fair, I'll forgive this film entirely if it's all ultimately build up to Khan being in the next Star Trek but has spent years being driven insane by having his and his crew's blood endlessly harvested for it's super healing properties and he's a straight up super smart psycho. That'd be pretty cool.
On the "Spock is an action hero scene": If you've watched the right episodes in the original series, you'd know that vulcans are actually _really_ strong. On top of that, I'd imagine he got the same security training as someone like Kirk, who's a career officer. Plus, what is the nerve pinch but a martial arts move?
ryan barker It my mind it wasnt nearly as bad as The Next Generation Films those films pretty much took an aging cast of actors that werent suited for action movies and tried to make them action heroes
DoomRulz i'll say 'first contact' was probably the best of the worst, but even that really rather sucked. it's funny, though, because i think most folk have positive, albeit vague, memories of that movie. but, then you decide to watch the redlettermedia review of it and think, jeez, was this movie really that bad? then you're like, 'hmm, how long has it been since i watched it, anyway? maybe if i watched it with a more critical eye it's not as good as my fuzzy memories?'
Daaaamn... it's been five years since the video and more than two years since my first comment, but here's a couple things that occurred to me just this morning: 1) 5:10 WTF is the reason Admiral Marcus is so _scornful_ towards Kirk during that lecture; because he refused to kill the bad guy in cold blood? Marcus has *seen proof* of how clever and brave Kirk is, has witnessed those *leadership skills* at work firsthand. Remember in the first movie, Kirk killed off the entire crew of the Narada by photon torpedoing them deeper into the black hole. Before that, he'd boarded the dreadnought in the first place, full of Romulans from the future, to rescue Pike. He did all that on a half-assed plan and not only went through, but his bravado and charisma pushed others to take action and improvise; that's what made the plan work. In this movie, Kirk is the only one who not only figures out Harrison's plan, but takes action and single-handedly downs the shuttle. Now he's facing Marcus aboard the Vengeance, which he snuck aboard by flying across space in an EV suit and slipping in through a tiny port. Meanwhile, Marcus has been using someone else to engineer a superweapon (powerful torpedoes that're impervious to scan) by threatening that someone's people. And when that someone goes rogue, Marcus once again sends out someone else to use those weapons... But only after sabotaging the warp core so they can't come back, to be picked off by Klingons probably - once more making others do all the legwork for him. In short: Kirk is the kind of leader who'd go headfirst into danger and show the example for his men, Marcus is the kind who'd make others do his bidding and only visit in person when something goes wrong. I think we all know which one we'd rather put our faith in to save us in a time of war~ 2) 6:50 That's bullshit; they've transported from/to moving targets *several times* in these movies. In the first movie, Chekov himself does that by using a manual lock on Kirk and Sulu as they're falling through Vulcan's atmosphere. Then at the end of it, Scotty beams people from _two_ locations, one from the Narada and one from the Jellyfish going at full speed. Then of course, in Beyond, they do it again; several times, using the Franklin's _antiquated_ transporter. Beaming a speeding motorcycle near Krall's camp, beaming back Kirk and Jaylah mid-flight, beaming Spock and Bones into one of the swarmers. I know that movie comes after, but if a much older transporter system can do that, so can a state-of-the-art Constitution cruiser.
One thing he didn't mention--or maybe I missed something--when Kahn gives that employee guy the water tablet that is actually the bomb that causes that explosion that only 42 people apparently died in, the bomb definitely exploded immediately after the guy dropped the tablet in the water, so he would have died in the explosion, yet sometime shortly afterward, one of the other characters--I can't remember which one--says something about the police arresting the guy who dropped the tablet in the water. How did he survive that explosion? He didn't have time to get out!
"Now, unlike some idiots on TH-cam, I know there's gravity in space," *Thinks back to the Avengers vid and how the narrator complains about there being no gravity in space for Iron Man to fall back to Earth*
In his defense, it's not as if the Avengers went into detail about the physics of inter-dimensional/inter-galactic portals created by a Tesseract as it relates to gravity
misterwishart Okay, that is understandable, but he did say that there was no gravity in space, so he should've said how was Earth's gravity effecting him through the portal. :p
I loved star trek beyond the cinematography was beautiful. But something about j.j. abrams and his swooping shots, and circular motions that just get me in the movie. I love the way he color grades everything with light blue and adds lens flares with quick cuts in the fight scenes and a shakey cam. The chase scenes as well when he does that far away shot then quickly zooms in. Story wise this one was the strongest of the trilogy in terms of story. Like I said I still REALLY loved star trek beyond
Lens flair in itself isn't bad, but when it covers up the action or the faces of actors it is an issue. Jar Jar Abrams is the worst offender and this movie is the pinnacle of to much flair.
I am probably one of the very few people on Earth who hates the Star Trek reboot movies. Star Trek was never about huge action scenes, destruction every 5 seconds, or so many futuristic devices and alien makeup that it makes George Lucas look like Ed Wood. It was about adventure, strategy, real world issues brilliantly translated into exciting stories, becoming emotionally attached to the main characters and even side characters, and some degree of humanity that's not a contrived cliché seen in every lazy sci-fi movie. This is the equivalent of waving your iPhone's camera around while at the same time waving keys in front of the lens. Mindless action and destruction with no emotion or logic and a few Original Series references to make the fan boys stop complaining for 5 seconds. JJ Abrams, you're a genius for most movies, but if you mess up Star Wars as much as you've messed up Star Trek, I'm coming after you!
This second movie was pretty big on storyline, in the DVD interviews they said the visuals and interactions were built around the story and not the opposite. Personally, I find the first one was a lot more blockbuster-type and less Trek-y. Then again, yes, there's plenty of unneeded VFX and explosions and lens flares and warp "filaments" and lens flares and phaser shots being generic slower-than-light bolts and DID I SAY FUCKING LENS FLARES ...when the actual show and canon movies were more about storytelling, character development, philosophy and strategy.
I agree with you on a lot of things... but Star Trek was also with great action scenes. The space battle between Reliant and Enterprise was incredible, Star Trek VI also had an incredible action level, not talking about the Dominion War. Star Trek spirit is not ABOUT action, but there IS action, so the fact that there is action in the reboot is totally fine by me, even at this level. The problems are the stories that are not well written :/
Lol, time to go after JJ Abrams apparently. Episode 9 was a dumpster fire. I actually don't consider these to be star trek movies and I agree with you on all points. In my mind, these are "Star Trek Adjacent" but not proper star trek.
The sweet irony of that fact that he stresses he understands there IS gravity in space, but has a problem with everything even 'moon distance' away plummeting to Earth, while in the previous video I watched he makes the same point under the pretense there is NO gravity in space
I've got three movie sins. Ok, those of us who are Trekie veterans know that Data was the first successful android to be in Starfleet in the days of Captain Picard, but then there's at LEAST one (possibly two, the red "alien" that can be identified as sin #48) androids on the bridge of the Enterprise in 2259? NOPE, not buying it. Khan gets a portable Transwarp beaming device designed by Scotty in 2259, yet nobody has even designed a Transwarp beaming device in the year 2409 (150 years later)? ...Not buying this either. And another thing, Uhura was able to make contact with the Nemoy Spock (RIP) on New Vulcan yet they couldn't send a distress call to Earth? Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that, unless they decided to put New Vulcan on the Moon, getting a channel from the Moon to New Vulcan is QUITE a bit harder than getting a channel from the Moon to Earth.
Something I forgot to mention is that Transwarp (aka Waarp 10) wasn't successfully tested until 2372 by Tom Paris and the crew of the USS Voyager. Even then, it made his DNA evolve so fast that the EMH couldn't figure it out for several hours, if not a day. Furthermore, at Transwarp you are EVERYWHERE, so it's basically like using the Infinite Improbability Drive used in The Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
+killit95 Could argue that the device opens a transwarp manifold, then sends a matter stream through as per the "beaming" part. That should negate ant temporal effects and there's no DNA to alter inside the manifold.
+Vecheslav Novikov but on the other hand the general definition of transwarp is past warp speed, and according to standard Star Trek speed measurements that is at Warp 10, which means that it's LITERALLY a beaming device which could beam anyone from Earth to wherever they wanted to as long as they have the coordinates.
+killit95 That guy with the fan in his head was most likely a cyborg and not an android, also you have to remember that on this channel book do not matter, so I don't think the TV show that movie was based on matters either. That's a thing most people forget. This may not be a good Star Trek movie, but it's a pretty nice sci-fi action movie.
richie thach It's a reference to the old communicators from the original show, which is what inspired cell phones (specifically flip phones) to be invented
ejcmoorhouse the lens flares were cool the first time. this time not so much. but luckily for you since jj will be directing the new star wars too i'm sure there will be plenty there as well.
"42", as a numeral often used in movies, is a nod to Douglas Adams - Life, the Universe, and Everything. I remember reading somewhere that someone crunched all numbers spoken in movie scripts, and 42 was the most common.
The thing about the climactic "KHAN!!!" moment that nobody (including JJ) seems to get, is that in the Wrath of Khan, original-timeline Kirk wasn't *really* mad. He had to make Khan *think* he was seething with helpless rage over being marooned so that Khan would savor his revenge and drag his feet hunting down poor, crippled Enterprise to finish her off, giving Spock and the crew the time they needed to make repairs. Later, when Spock sacrificed his life to save the ship, he and Kirk sat on opposite sides of the glass partition trying to choke out the last words either of them will ever say to each other in this life. There was no rage in that scene, either. The emotion in play was the pain and grief of two grown men with a close personal friendship spanning the better part of a half-century of shared experiences, saying their last goodbye. The Pine-Quinto scene falls flat in comparison to the Shatner-Nimoy scene, because in STID, Kirk & Spock are practically strangers to each other. They've shared a year, maybe less, in each other's company; nothing even close to the lifetime friendship portrayed in the Wrath of Khan. JJ and company just completely missed the point on the whole "Wrath of Khan-homage" thing.
***** And, in the scene following, Kirk is feeling old and washed up, and then his former lover, the mother of his bastard, who had no british accent and no starfleet uniform to misplace, invited him to come see her genesis cave, to make him *feel young as when the Earth was new.* (There's really no need to stack quotes for me. I'm probably the oldest trekker in this discussion.) The Khan scream packed a big punch of apparent anger and frustration, but those emotions, which tend to linger and fester, instead vanished the moment the communicator snapped shut. Kirk went into the cave, calmly reclined on the grass, was enigmatic to his ensign, revealed his dark secret of having cheated on Starfleet Academy's graduation test, and then called Spock for a beam-out as if on cue. He was in complete control the whole time. The scream was totally for Khan's benefit. It was James T. being a smug, manipulative jerk, as always.
***** There were some things about JJ-Trek that I enjoyed. I liked the fact that they established a legitimate use for the shuttle bay, for instance. TOS used a space the size of the superdome to house two six-man shuttles, which were used in all of 6 episodes because the transporter was so much more convenient (and so much less difficult a special effect to perform at the time). In JJ-Trek, a shuttle sat 20 crew, and the ship carried 20 shuttles. Which meant that, if catastrophe (or a Romulan mining ship) should happen to strike, almost the whole crew could be shuttled away to safety. The shuttlebay actually makes more sense in JJ-Trek. I also liked the fact that, even though they were in process of fundamentally rewriting the canonical history of Star Trek, they owned to it in-story instead of pretending that it had always been the bastardized way (even though the lion's share of viewers damned well knew otherwise) like the producers of Star Trek: First Contact did. Revisionist historians set my teeth on edge.
Around 6:50 - The "flying thing", whatever you want to call it is moving at a constant velocity and can be locked onto as it is predictable. She could easily be transported on it due to this. They can't be beamed up because the change of velocity when moving around on that object from fighting would not give an accurate lock.
That doesn't explain how they can still beam someone down to the moving moving target while also making it so that the speed of the person being beamed down matches the moving target. Without the speed being matched, the person would fall right off even if the could manage to beam them onto the target.
gastronomist you can aim a missile at a moving jet going faster than the speed of sound by aiming the missile at where the target is GOING to be. simple math explains that you could set her on the ship just by that alone
Monica Duncan Beaming someone down to a moving target is not in any way like shooting a missile. (Maybe they should have shot her out of the torpedo tubes.) I'm not sure if you knew this, but when you fire a missile at something, you don't expect it stay intact when it arrives at its destination. So what you are saying is irrelevant if you expect to keep people in one pieces when you beam them down.
gastronomist it was an example of trigonometry at work if you want to be literal then here: since this is a future and that was obviously a lane, the ship had a set speed. you factor that into your target aiming then have the warp constantly moving with the ship then you can beam anyone down like anyone can skydive from a satellite within gravitational pull onto a 2 foot target without dying. take a chillpill and stop taking this at face value maybe you'll be happier
Why is it a rule that, when there's a terrorist attack, all the important people have to meet up in one room? Do they not have better ways of communicating in the future? How is Kirk apparently the first person to realise that this might not be a good idea and how is Khan the first person who tried to exploit it?
Or... why wouldn't they have at least some sort of shields installed on their major operations buildings in the future? Along with emergency (or even regularly used with encoded access) transporters and other escape systems in any areas top brass would meet? Attacks like that may not happen often on Earth, but things like that should have become a consideration as far back as the Xindi attack from Enterprise (which was followed by a consulate attack the next year that killed several top brass), or at very least systems they added after Nero's attack just a year or so prior.
Khan "played" stunned earlier to catch Kirk and Scotty off-guard.
Other than that, a lot of these are pretty good.
Hey like your Chanel
Yes
Khan was under arrest. This very concept negated the possibility of him moving.
"I can't lock on them, they're moving"
Wait, Chekov! What did you do between the last movie and this one to unlern how to beam extremly fast moving persons? Have you forgotten everything? WHAT?
yeah, the tech is star trek is so inconsistent. It changes moment to moment depending on the needs of the "story".
Falling movement is easy to predict. Fighting movement is a bit difficult.
Fabske would be good at CinemaSins *ding
@@BrickFleetwood they were also spinning and rotating a lot in the first one so not much of a difference. Not to mention, during Spock and Khan's fight, they are mostly separate from each other. When Sulu and Kirk were falling, they were literally holding each other. Would it have mattered if they transported to Khan and Spock up to the ship and have a security team waiting for them? And by your logic, why didn't he save Spock's mom? See my general comment below for further details about that since I already mentioned it.
Well he actually forgot in the first movie in like three minutes so you can't blame him in this movie. He was able to save Kirk and Sulu while they fell to the Earth but couldn't save Spock's mom! A person he already had a lock on and who's position only changed vertically due to gravity! A constant he has in his head since he used it to save Sulu and Kirk not five minutes ago!!! Even if it was the gravitional pull from the Black Star, he already calculated that when he explained what was happening to Spock. And to say he didn't have enough time to get that value is silly because he made it from the bridge, to the transporter, took controls of the transporter, and inputted the gravitional constant all before Kirk and Sulu went splat!
That 55 seconds of logos is one of my favorite parts of the ST movies because of the mini overture of chilling, moving music we get. It builds up the emotion and tension before anything even happens, I love it. Reminds me of Shaun of the Dead doing the same, with the very creepy music setting the scene for a minute.
100%
2:20 The problem with Kirk is mentally and emotionally, hes basically going on a revenge quest because Khan killed the closest person Kirk had to an actual father in the Kelvin timeline.
2:25 That is probably a Vulcan ship as Vulcan ships usually have the red/brown color scheme of that ship.
3:30 According to the book, Uhura worked a minor miracle but that still doesn't explain how a starship can communicate from Klingon space to Earth so this is still a sin.
4:45 Scotty somehow doesn't know that the Enterprise has been shot as when Kirk says "We're a little low on power" to Scotty's request to get beamed up, Scotty says "Why, what happened to the Enterprise?"
5:18 I'm pretty sure he actually crushed his skull and head... which is actually worse, I'm glad they didn't even try and show that.
6:10 Sulu is a pilot, not an engineer, he was probably wrong.
6:58 Khan pretended to be stunned earlier.
The Sulu thing, I think he would be correct (if they actually had it happen that way in the film) simply because he is a pilot. Although he may not know all the nitty gritty details, I think knowing what the ship can survive and what its limits are, are important things for any pilot to know.
…so, you’re saying Scotty doesn’t know?
At 5:30 CinemaSins dude says "Unlike some idiots on youtube, I know that there's gravity in space", but in the EWW The Avengers he says "how can Iron man fall to Earth when there's no gravity in space?".
*ding*
That would be because the "idiots on TH-cam" they're referring to are themselves. They're actually acknowledging their mistake and mocking themselves, so, no Sin. The real sin here is that despite normally pointing it out, they didn't Doctor Who is that? on Mickey Smith's actor appearing in the movie.
I think in this they're referencing the fact that Earth still has a gravitational pull from that far away, while the other one is referencing the fact that there ARE NO LARGE ENOUGH OBJECTS NEAR WHERE HE WAS IN AVENGERS TO CAUSE HIM TO FALL IN THAT DIRECTION
+Burn Schauerte
Honestly, that's the kind of thing that even someone without a degree should know
It's sad that people don't
You just need to know that gravity is directly connected to mass to figure it out yourself
But I'm sad to say that I had to explain that simple fact to my PHYSICS teacher in high school!
People aren't taught to think at school which is why they are limited to repeating what they heard eventhough it's wrong
And I know what you're thinking: that I'm frustrated by that and feel the need to whine about it on youtube
And I would agree :p
But, at the risk of sounding very dramatic, I mostly hope that people who read this or hear me say it anywhere else just think about it
And it might be asking a lot, but I hope that my whining might actually bring just one more drop of thinking to the world
Because there's more important things people forget to think about than physics :/
Sayonara Chainsaw In the Avengers video he didn't mean no gravity in Space _at all_, he meant in that particular part of Space on the other side of the Portal.
The Chitauri Ship was in a completely empty area of Space with no planets or stars close by and therefore nothing to create a Gravitational Pull strong enough for Iron Man to 'fall' back towards the Portal. If anything his momentum should have kept him moving towards the Ship even after he'd let go of the Missile.
Foxtrot369 ....What about...the Earth. The portal was still open after all.
Good stuff guys. Really enjoyed this movie. I have one bone to pick: Spock is the only eligible person to do that "Action-hero-fight-scene" because he also has super human stength. Kirk would get punched right off the platform in one stroke of Khan. Spock and Khan both have incredibly resilient bodies, so they're an understandable match. Everyone else is only human or an extra.
Taymanator0051 *applause* also that l.o.t.r profil photo tho
Taymanator0051 I agree! I also take issue with the "mind rape/stealing Pike's memories thing," though I can tell CS was being extremely sarcastic. Spock even says it himself later that he was trying to comfort Pike at the moment of his death.
you havent seen the scene in the orial series in which spot and kirk were made to fight (available on youtube). it was such a tight match they ripped each others shirts in turn, baring they lovely nipples
@@HK-vt7gh The "baring they lovely nipples" part of this comment deserves more than zero likes, so here ya go!
I thought it was established in Space Seed that Khan and the other Augments possessed about five times normal human strength, whereas Vulcans on average have about double normal human strength.
I think when Spock is melding with Pike is to help ease his passing. At least that is what I got.
Isn't empathy an emotion?
I always thought (and still do and don't know why no one else seems to) that Khan going down from one stun shot earlier was a feint to make the others think he was stunned so he'd gain the upper hand. Which he did. Khan is a superhuman and brilliant tactician, he's also not completely dumb. He took into account that Kirk would turn on him, planned for it, and pretended to be stunned when the opportunity presented itself.
Or maybe it's being shot in the head vs body
What about the ship not having hazmat suits ready in case of radation leak. That would have ensured that Kirk would have survive the reactor scene.
+year111
original KAHHHHHNNNN!!!! the movie have Spock go in without the suit too.... Even though that movie clearly have engineers WITH radiation suits.... I think they said it was because there is no time or some shit in the original KAHHHHHNNNN!!!! the movie
+year111 Androids clearly exist in this universe... why isn't there a repair team of them in there at all times? But there is one on the bridge to say one throwaway line of dialogue in a cool voice?
+Nova Sky TWO throwaway lines of dialogue.
But I agree. Any self-respecting outfit working long-term around hazards like ionizing radiation would have SOME way to protect themselves from it in case of emergency.
+year111 Maybe all the technicians with hazard suits were thrown across the ship by then. Also, nice profile pic.
+Delta Plus actually he went in with one, that's how he removed the original cap but the gloves were to thick to ralign it so he actually has to remove the gloves to finish it
"My... name.. is... Khan!"
Stephen Strange:...Just Khan..? Like.. Adele?
khan noonien sigh is his full name, in both the tos ep. and wok it was used.
@@jeffgrencik7213 its a joke my guy
"It's a mononym, like, Cher."
- Archer
Kirk: "Uh... hi Mr. Khan... Sorry - should that name mean ANYTHING to me?"
Goodbye Chekov..... 'One to beam up'..... R.I.P. So Sad.
so true man
and was the only red shirt we didnt want to die
+TonRoz I mean there's scotty....
i didn't no , so sad.. he was a very good actor.. R.I.P Chekov
Bipin seriously, what a terrible way to go to. Such a tragic accident. I wonder if they're going to recast Odd Thomas and have sequels, or if Odd will just die with him.
Such a tragedy about Anton Yelchin
ya at 9:30 m uhh mom was telling my sister so i walked in asking what happed and my mom said anchin yelit actor of chevof it star trek died
I had such a shock. I thought it was one of those false reports at first. Didn't believe. Still in shock. Such a tragedy. He was taken too soon
So sad. I took my mum to see Beyond since she's been a Trekkie forever and we both said after that we felt that little bit of pain every time Chekhov was on screen. So sad
Seen the film several times and it's brilliant but so sad watching Anton knowing you'll never see him again
WHATTT NOOOO!!! Thats so sad nonono!!!
That one is red because it's planned to crash in its first mission
actually the red ship is a Vulcan diplomatic ship
+Richard Fox Y U ruin da joke!?!?
I'm afraid that you are wrong, the brown-coloured ship is the USS Armstrong (NCC-1729) an Armstrong type star ship. It was commissioned in 2258 under the "United Federation of Planets". this type is the only type of star ship, that was ever painted brown.
Incorrect. It would be the USS Excelsior. NCC-1729, which was an Armstrong-class ship. The USS Armstrong, NCC-1769, was destroyed in the first of the "JJ Trek" offerings in the Vulcan system.
NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERDSSSSSSSS
"Unlike some idiots on TH-cam, I know there's gravity in space." Ohoho. I see what you did, there.
+CocoaNutCakery i dont
+CreeperSlayer Jeremy is talking about himself.
Towards the end of the film where the core is misaligned, Spock states that the gravity systems at failing once they get caught in Earth's gravity.
+Jose Marques More context?
***** I remember him saying in a video that there's no gravity in space,i think it's was in a Superman video but i am not sure.
Somehow missed: War room at the top of a tall building, in an exterior room. Why isn't it in an underground bunker or something?
I am a huge Star Trek fan, but I am so glad this was made! Thank you for putting most of my frustrations into one compilation piece!
Should have done a lens flare bonus round.
What? Show the whole movie? I've just had my retinas replaced after the first one.
god damn JJ shamebrams.
I've got more than that. 1.) They use a cold fusion device to freeze a volcano. Uhhh, cold fusion just means it doesn't have to be hot to get the fusion process started. But fusion is very, very, very, very hot, like in the sun or an H-bomb.
2.) Twice in the movie, the ship gets knocked out of warp early, but both times, it just happens to come out a short distance from where they were going. But warp speed is like hundreds of times the speed of light. And the moon is only like one light second away from earth. So if they hadn't dropped out right at that instant, they would have crashed into the planet!
3.) They leave from Klingon space and it's all one continuous fast-paced scene that ends with them being knocked out of warp. It's all presented as them being in warp for a couple minutes, not hours or days. I know I said warp speed was fast, but you'd have to be going like 100,000 times the speed of light just to get to the nearest star in that amount of time. And since the Klingons are presumably much farther away, we're talking about millions of times the speed of light. Space is like really big.
4.) They come out of warp in shuttle range of the Klingon home world, but not beaming range. But then there just happens to conveniently be some other habitable planet, which is conveniently uninhabited, in range for them to play with the torpedoes. What? Where was this place? Why don't the Klingons use it if it is so close to their home world? How are there two habitable planets in the same system without major temperature differences?
5.) They take a shuttle to the Klingon home world and the Klingons didn't just intercept them in space and blow them away. Is this militaristic race not keeping track of alien ships that approach their home world? That's far worse than Starfleet missing one of their own stolen ships approaching their headquarters.
6.) Why do the Klingons have an uninhabited part of their world? And if it is uninhabited, why are there structures there?
7.) Gratuitous Carroll Marcus in her underwear shot. Not that I'm complaining. But if you're talking "movie sins," that really served no purpose whatsoever other than to to put a little sex in the movie. Or maybe you could complain it wasn't a long enough scene if you're okay with that.
8.) You mentioned the Tribble, but there were a TON of silly nods like that to the original. Way too many. Gorn baby reference. Mud reference. The fact that Carroll Marcus was in it at all.
9.) The Klingon moon, aside from being in a dangerously close orbit, is all blown to pieces. This is supposed to be another one of those nods, in this case to the sixth movie, where that moon blows up. But that happens when Kirk and Spock are old. There's no reason for the moon to have blown up 30 years early in the alternate timeline. And even if it did, in the sixth movie, it delivered such a crippling blow to the Klingons that it was what prompted peace talks with the Federation. So did they just go on fine with a blown up moon in this timeline?
10. They were close to the moon and when they lost power, and the gravity of Earth pulled them in. You mentioned that it would take a lot longer than two minutes from that distance, and are completely right. But they were closer to the moon, so the moon is actually what would have pulled them in, not the Earth.
"Why do the Klingons have an uninhabited part of their world? And if it is uninhabited, why are there structures there?"
Probably the same reason we have uninhabited ghost towns on our planet.
*+MP197742* @ Warp Speeds
Warp actually gets redefined in each new rendition of Star Trek.
In TOS, warp factors were an exponential progression starting with the speed of light.
Warp 1 = Speed of light = 670,616,629 miles per hour
Warp 2 = Speed of light exp.2 (lightspeed x lightspeed)
Warp 3= Speed of light exp. 3
And so forth. (Full impulse, btw, is 1/2 the speed of light. Just FYI.)
The only limitations on how fast a ship could go was how strong you could build it. In several episodes, Enterprise went warp 9, 10, 12, 16, and whoever was pushing it that far above its normal warp-8 limit was told to stop because the structure of the ship couldn't take the strain.
(In the TOS movies, the warp scale was the same, except that warp 1 was simply referred to as "Warp Speed".)
In NextGen & Spinoffs (including the movies), the warp scale was reinvented so that starships couldn't ever go faster than warp 9.9 or they'd coexist with all points in the universe. (Which always sounded like BS to me, but no one asked my opinion.)
In JJ-Trek & STID, there is only one warp factor. That warp factor is known as "Punch It".
@ Moon distance in light-seconds.
The Apollo missions demonstrated that radio delay from Earth to Moon was 3 seconds. Radio travels at the speed of light, which in seconds is 186,282.3969444444 mps.
186,282.3969444444 mps x3 seconds = 558,847.1908333333 miles.
@ drifting to earth.
Knocked out of warp at 237,000 kilometers above earth. A kilometer is a little less than a mile. That would place the just-got-its-ass-shot-off Enterprise somewhere between 1/4 and 1/3 the distance between Earth and Moon. Which means that it is closer to and will fall toward Earth, not Moon, but with no warp, no impulse, and no thrusters, it will fall at the same speed as, say, Apollo 11, and take over a day to arrive. If JJ wanted the damaged starship to auger in any sooner, like, say, in 3 minutes time, he should have just had Sulu say "We've dropped out of warp in Low Earth Orbit, Captain."
And yes, it beggars the imagination that they would get shot down exactly at the place they were trying to get to anyway.
Didn't recall them saying the distance they were from Earth. But according to Google, the distance from the Earth to the Moon is 384,400 km. So 237,000 from Earth would be substantially closer to the Moon (only about 17% the distance from the Moon to the Earth). Plus, you could see that the Moon was right there by them.
MP197742 When they were shot out of warp above Earth, Sulu reported their distance from Earth to Kirk. Google also gives the distance to moon in non-metric units, coincidentally being 238,900 miles, which is numerically similar to the number of Km reported by Sulu. (That 384,400 km is measured at perigee, of course (closest point). Apogee is 406,720 km (furthest point).)
On the one hand, we may be looking at a common cinematography trick (simulated by computer, of course) having to do with using a longer lens to compress the distance between the foreground and distant background for dramatic license. On the other hand, I'm not sure I trust a film producer who does not understand that cold fusion is *not* used to freeze things solid, to also understand the difference between miles and kilometers, or for that matter, the difference between having engines be stone cold dead or having them be running at full power out of control, (Dialog said all engines were dead, but the dramatic plunge from over two hundred thousand kilometers away to well into Earth's atmo in a very short time says "runaway impulse engine" to me,)
MP197742 Afterthought: This could also be a veiled reference by JJ & crew to something that happened frequently in NextGen, (We already know that JJ was hot to weasel in as many references as he could.) In NextGen, Enterprise D would often face off against some ship or another that was *obviously* close enough for someone on Enterprise to look out a window and read the titles of books on shelves of crew's quarters through the other ship's windows, and the helmsman would always give Picard a distance to the other ship in tens or even *hundreds* of thousand-kilometers. It's a possibility we should consider.
Was anyone else bugged by the fact that the little "fur thing" that came back to life because he had khans blood on his system was still laying on that desk after all that the ship went through?
***** Yeah, that's pretty odd and doesn't make any sense. Maybe the others don't have the same powers. I don't know.
AlinasArt 01101101 01110111 =mw
***** Haha! lol. Probably not :D
***** Now you know what happens to the redshirts afterwards. Sickbay needs a steady supply of test corpses.
AlinasArt It's not a "fur thing"...it's a tribble...
And tribbles can stick to walls...
10 sins for not doing a Sherlock joke in your gag reel
...and another 10 sins for not doing a Robocop or Buckaroo Banzai joke, also.
“Your move creep”
“and who is gonna lead us...YOU?!”
Admiral Robocop😂
1:15 The archive was in London. We don't have "multiple cameras". We have ALL the cameras.
What, no Sherlock reference?
Dammit CinemaSins, McCoy's a doctor, not an escape plan maker!
Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe I found that very funny as you can see :) hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe.
The "My name is" mix at the end was the best. Well done!
When Bones said "The hell you are" He wasn't talking about physical health. Pike had just died before that scene. He was worried about Kirk's emotional state.
You forgot something... Aparrently Spock can scream Kahn so loud that it can be heard in outer space...
*Ding* =D
Zeriwia Chan yep :D Its a pretty obvious one though, noticed it whilst watching in the cinemas :D
Who in Outer Space heard it?
Statalyzer We did, apparently, as the camera zoomed out of Spock in an attempt to be dramatic, which of course wasn't successful due to the whole concept...
Tshhhh... In space, noone can hear you scream...
Man, I didn't notice it when I watched it, but the lens flares really are excessive. It cuts right through the screen just like how they don't in real life.
J.J. Abrams signature.
+Loxodon Cyclotis there was only one in TFA
Physics Major here, with a few sins to add:
*They jump off cliff and into water* Yeah, hitting water from that height without extensive training in high diving or super superfeet is thirteen and a half different kinds of impossible.
*Bomb freezes volcano* Not sure detonating a cold fusion device could do anything to an erupting volcano, other than, you know, blow it up.
*Torpedo door closes on Bones' arm* Pretty sure a door intended to seal a warhead to prevent tampering would have no problem crushing Bones' arm. If you're telling me there's some sensor that prevents the door from doing that, then you have a sin of plot convenience.
*The Enterprise is forced out of warp* Ok, they drop out of warp, with inertia carrying them at high speed toward the earth. A few things:
Firstly, the first thing any starship captain should do after dropping out of warp near a planet is establish a stable orbit around said planet, unless landing is intended. Later, we learn that the Enterprise still has thruster power, and computers capable of calculating a line of sight trajectory. A few seconds of thruster power in just about ANY direction should be enough to ensure the Enterprise never even gets CLOSE to crashing on Earth.
Second, mere moments after this guy says they're 237,000 km from Earth, heading TOWARDS the earth, they show the battle clearly taking place a good 387,000 km from Earth, near the moon. Uhh, nope.
THIRD, the ENTIRE FU**ING CORE WORLD OF STARFLEET INTRAGALACTIC OPERATION was taking their union mandated smoke break while a fu**ing BATTLE took place within the moon's orbital radius! I mean, sh**! Back during the APOLLO missions, we could track spacecraft as small as a Starfleet escape pod on and around the moon, but I guess tracking technology in Starfleet times has regressed to smoke signals and paper maps.
*Spock call* Spock calls future Spock, and future Spock somehow alters his own past...I think. I don't know. Point is, just by talking to his younger self, he is disrupting....something. Again, I don't know.
Also, say! Why didn't the Enterprise call Starfleet and say, "Hey! Just wanted to give a quick heads up, uhm, this guy is blowing up our ship full of innocent people, so don't believe anything he tells you, and also, you might want to clear the city, because we MIGHT hit the Earth at a velocity high enough to cause a 7.0 earthquake." I'm sure future Spock can wait.
*Kahn transports the devices over to his ship, cut to them blowing up and Khan screaming "NOO"* A device capable of scanning a torpedo down to the quark in order to transport it on board to your ship should be able to notice a rather alarming DETONATION SEQUENCE in said torpedo.
Also, no.
*Ship tilting causing gravity to go haywire inside the ship* Science fiction writers dont understand how free fall works. If artificial gravity is online, they should not notice the ship tilting. If it's offline, they should float around like in the ISS. But the filmmakers dont have the budget for that.
*Ship falls through the clouds, and then rises back up* Okay, so hold on, they're traveling perpendicular to Earth's surface, TOWARDS Earth's surface, at a rate of speed that looks like....a few kilometers per second (the length of the Enterprise is around 800 meters according to google). But let's be generous and assume they're going Mach speed, or 343 meters per second. In order to decelerate to zero velocity in about, say, 4 seconds (so they have time to dramatically reemerge from the clouds, they have to provide thruster acceleration of 1G, PLUS 343m/s divided by 4 seconds, carry the one...multiply by pi r².... so about 9.75 G in total. My point is, NONE of these guys are in any shape to do anything other than puke on the floor a bit, if not completely pass out.
*"Sir, there's no way anyone on board survived that!"* Correct!
Um, why would the scanner even be programmed to detect something starting to detonate? Why? I honestly can't think of a reason, other than, if it was in the movie, plot convenience.
@@nikkiofthevalley Stargleet transporters HAVE to scan things in order to transport them, they have to disassemble the object then reassemble it at the destination.
Startrek lore says the object does get scanned down to rhe quark. Which means you'd HAVE to notice the detonation sequence.
@@willmunoz1638 Yea, but why would it actually say anything? Why would it be programmed to say anything about said detonation sequence?
@@nikkiofthevalley ....
Why would it *not*?
Why in all of tarnation would it not warn the captain about a BOMB?
@@willmunoz1638 Think about practicality here. It would be 5 times more complicated to detect a bomb, than just do whatever magic allows them to beam.
You forgot a big sin here: When the admiral beamed carol out of the ship, the fucking shields were up. They just said beaming is impossible while the fucking shields are up. What a sin. *ding*
Legendary Spyro
Except that the Admirals ship was more advanced in just about every way. It is not inconceivable that the transporters would have been as well.
yu nofun Then why did Khan need them to lower the shields in order to beam his people up to his ship?
yu nofun Not really a good point, since even in Next Generation, Voyager, etc, far in the future, they still had to lower shields to transport, to my knowledge, the only ones with the ability to transport through shields was Species 8472 and the Borg (and whoever the borg assimilated it from)
RaveriusMax And Q :)
RaveriusMax Honestly your right and even if the admirals starship was more advanced that still doesn't mean it can just beam as much shit as possible.
at 6:47 Chekov says he can't beam them up from a transport because its moving. but in the first movie he somehow beamed Kirk and Spock up to the ship while they where falling from a drilling platform tens of thousands of meters above the planet.
Ding
It wasnt Kirk and Spock, it was Sulu
***** had a feeling I was wrong about one of those. haven't seen it in a while
its like chekov i thought you could do zat. apparently not
Scotty beamed them onto a moving ship in the first movie. Chekov couldn't because he didn't know transporter technology as well. It was dangerous enough when Scotty did it as was described in the first film pretty plainly.
Huh...... You guys don't understand, he can't beam them cause they are moveing and the black hole in the first movie made it easier to compensate gravitational pull now you understand unding
Okay, I've got a sin for you
"OKAY! KIRK CAN BE BROUGHT BACK TO LIFE WITH SUPER BLOOD! Oh...but how do we get some? Okay, Spock is already doing his best to kill Khan so let's just make his little revenge quest ten times harder by telling him he has to subdue the target instead of just murdering his ass? That sounds like a solid plan!"
"Um...sir, I actually have another idea."
"Wat?"
"Well, we have like 72 superhumans that are still stored safely in cryo tubes, right? Why don't we just pop open a tube, steal some of their blood and stuff em back in a tube?"
"Um...too dangerous, our plan will work fine..."
"But we could move the cryo tube into one of our cells, I mean Khan couldn't escape that cell before could he? Plus, he wasn't all that violent when he was first woken up. Now all we have to do is set everything up so they'll wake from their cryo sleep or whatever then get everybody out of the room before they fully come around (I mean they'll be groggy and s**t) then threaten to murder the rest of the crew if they don't give you a sample of their blood. Khan was perfectly fine with giving you a sample of his blood, surely they would be too? Besides, if that doesn't work out then just gas 'em and get the blood after they crack their skull from falling on the metal floor."
"..."
"Also Khan thinks you just murdered his entire crew, maybe if you just TELL him that his crew is alive and well and will remain that way so long as he surrenders, he'll turn himself in!"
"...You just got yourself a promotion. Hey, you, red shirt, start prepping one of the cryo tubes."
Plus I'm pretty sure you can still extract someone's blood after they're dead.
Joy Woffindin You are, and I am, but apparently Dr. McCoy doesn't know how to do that... or just get it from the other 78 FUCKING POPSICLES on the ship who had the same magical vampire-blood. .
+GuessWho195 Not to mention that the same vampire blood was injected into a tribble which can now be extracted from the tribble to give to Kirk. Unless of course if the life of a human isn't worth the life of a tribble.
+Viewer2777771 Also, tribble bares a striking resemblance to Donald Trumps hairpiece.
+GuessWho195 Just one question: if it was illegal to use genetic engineering to cure people, wouldn't McCoy be violating the law by using Khan's blood to cure Kirk? If so, why wouldn't he be court-martialed for doing so?
Also, wouldn't the blood also make Kirk super-human like Khan? The only way it could work, would be if it was full of blood-borne retroviruses that contained the augment DNA code, that patched any living thing that it encountered to make it super-strong, and Kirk's cells were still alive and able to recombine them.
"And so, your friend is only MOSTLY dead!"
Hey I didn't know shit about Khan and it was a HUGE surprise for me in the movie. Guess I was less than 4
I didn't like that part because not everyone watched the TV show
That joke was for the Star Trek fans, the ones that got more disappointed with this movie
It surprised me, because Benedict is a far cry from Ricardo Montalban. I would have never guess that the former could ever possibly be a replacement for the latter.
Doesn't know shit about Khan
Huge Surprise
Pick one.
I hadn't watched the original Star Trek films so I was like "who?"
You forgot the sin of having breakable glass throughout the bridge of the Enterprise. Who was the health & safety office, Homer? :)
I love the "standard issue personal transwarp device" call back its a huge plot hole since "standard issue" implies its just that "standard issue" everyone should have one just like they all have Tricorders and Phasers, that's what "Standard issue" means
Everyone should have one, but they later mention in the movie that Con was the first person to create one. Scotty then implies that Con used his engineering know-how to create it.
The red ship is never explained because it's always the first to go down. ;P
So it's not just the troops, it's the ships too!
You'd think they'd either make more, because what sort of force puts all their important people on one ship, or flat out ban that color all together because every color except red seems to live with no casualties whatsoever.
Actually, why even color code it at all? I've never seen Star Trek, at least not the original series; is it their specialization or something?
It is to indicate specialization. The red-shirted crew are generally security...hence why they die so much. ;)
Ahh...
Well, that makes sense, given context, but you'd think then there'd be more red floating around in the entire force.
The uniforms were color coded on the original series because network television went full color in Fall 1966, when Star Trek debuted. In fact, they were red, green & blue (RGB) uniforms. The green unis didn't transfer well to film (or TV) & always appeared to be gold.
tommy toggle I actually knew this. Pretty interesting stuff. That's why in the original series, there are a few episodes where Pike's shirt is actually green (they attempted to switch fabrics while using the same color, but it read differently under the lights and didn't come out gold). They did use color to indicate specialization as well, though. :)
Even with the audio cut out right at the record scratch, u can still hear "Hi, my name is...." in the audio outtakes 😂
I want a goddamn red starship. You can't stop me from wanting a red starship.
Everything painted red, it must have a horn, and it will be three times faster and more powerful than enterprise.
Think about what happens to redshirts. Now imagine what would happen to your red ship. :|
I can't believe I only just noticed this but the guy who asks who Kahn is was Mickey from Doctor Who!!
I just noticed that the last time I watched it in TV. I half scared my family because in dead silence, I just yelled "It's Mickey the Idiot!!!!!!"
I was more thinking about Deathlock from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
And the fact that Kahn is Sherlock
Seeing Sherlock as Kahn was a big transition. Is was so hard to see him as anything but Sherlock. It will probably be hard with him as Dr. Strange next year too.
+Anis Najwa Mirza What if Benidict Cumberbatch played Docter Who?
0:36
Why is he asking who he is?
Its quite OBVIOUS he's Bennedict Cumberbatch...
***** Him too.
***** Would he be related to Bandersnatch Cummerbund per chance? 8P
***** Huh... I though for sure it was Eggs-benedict Cucumber...
You mean Penelope Bumbersnatch.
I thought you meant Eggs Benedict Arnold Cucumber Batch.
when they realised they can use the healing properties of khans blood to save kirk then why didn't they just take the blood of one of the other people in the cryo tubes?
That would've require un-freezing at least one cryo-tube person...which means they could wake up, which would mean a second Khan-like character to prolong the movie and/or create a sequel for.
Khan's cells are rejuvenating very fast but the other 72 are in cryo tubes so there is no body function with them and their blood is not rejuvenating.
I loved this movie but these flaws are well caught on in this video xD
Oh but, Kirk did not have a medical problem, he was distressed by Pike's death and that's why the doc wanted to check him out. Aside from that every other detailed mentioned here is spot on. Keep it up.
that would be a medical mental problem.
I cant believe you showed this script's problems in 7 minutes. Because really you could talk for two hours.
Man Anton was one of my favorite actors of all time because he seemed so real to me, especially when I first saw Charlie Barlett. Sucks how he's gone now..
Scene does not contain a Benedict Cumberbatch lapdance
**ding**
I was watching the TOS episode, "The Tholian Web" just recently, and who should divulge the secret of new-timeline Khan's phaser-resistance (not to mention fist-of-Kirk resistance) but old-timeline Leonard "Bones" McCoy, MD. Obviously, Khan had recently pounded down his daily dose of Theragen-derivative prior to allowing himself to be captured on Klingworld.
When Bones passes out his cure for the maddening effects of Tholian space to Spock and Scotty, he tells them "After a jolt of this, you could hit a man with phaser stun, and he wouldn't feel it, or even know it."
Khan must have used his super-intellect to figure out how to use Theragen, a Klingon nerve gas, to render himself impervious to federation stun-weapons to keep himself occupied while waiting for his federation pursuers to catch up with him.
(Yeah, yeah, that's the ticket....,).
Ironically, a commercial for Khan Academy played before viewing this.
KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!
Carol Marcus admiring giant "torpedo" (or whatever is she doing in that scene) in 2:31 of video is priceless.
Plus the turd-faced little creep "riding" the other torpedo behind her.
Your Eminem gag fizzeled...into darkness.
*That remix at the end.*
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And then add 100 sins for Khan Singh not looking anything like the original, despite the Narada coming back _well after_ he was put into stasis.
Alice Eve's acting while Scotty is shouting about the torpedoes is... worth 5 sins alone.
OMG the song at the end had me burst out in laughter in the office that was the best end of the video joke you have so far XD
Another sin: Chekov or whatever his name is, in the last movie could beam Kirk up while he's in FREE FALL. But now he can't beam up someone if they're fighting?
to be fair if they were in free fall at least they would have a constant downwards velocity once they hit terminal velocity that could be accounted for, but their movements in hand to hand fighting would be erratic and unpredictable
Another sin: "Chekov or whatever his name is".
You missed one: scene where pike talks to kirk about losing his ship looks almost exactly like the scene in mass effect 3 where shepherd is in his room talking to that guy about how he lost his ship. Seriously, the rooms look almost exactly the same in some shots, how did you miss this?
Maybe because he doesn't want to assume that everyone in the world has played Mass Effect 3 the joke's gotta make a hit and that'd be flying over most peoples heads.
ah, but mass effect 3 has become very widely known over the internet and a certain tyrannicon made a big emphasise on this scene
2:30 I'm surprised he didn't give this scene a double sin for the alien riding the torpedo in the background
😂😂 ikr
+Kathryn M
OMG good call! Looks like he is goofing on the set and not realizing they are shooting.
+Kathryn M isn't that Scotty's sidekick, whose running gag is him sitting on something and Scotty usually yelling "get doyn from thah!"?
@@MaiAolei and he did tell him to get down in this scene
Aah! Why do the sins make so much sense?
the red ship is the fire department duuuh
Okay okay, I hate to nit-pick. But the one about Khan's resistance to being stunned... The first time he was stunned, on the Vengeance, he wasn't actually unconscious. He faked it, and then popped right back up to break Carol's leg and kill Pike and all of that other sh*t. So needing like, six or seven shots to stun him isn't that big of a shocker- We already saw earlier that just one wouldn't do it.
ALSO... even if the Phaser did stun Khan, there is a reason why khan is a "super-human"... his body probably became "immune" to the phaser... if that's at all possible... i'm sure it is.
BTW, the guy at 0:32 is Micky/Ricky, Rose's boyfriend from Doctor Who.
He must have thought Benedict Cumberbatch was the Doctor. Ha!
OH! It is! I can't believe I didn't notice that!
0:33 Also, The guy here (Khan) Is Sherlock in the TV show of the same name
Bob The Engifly
OHMYFARORE,DIN,NAYRU IT IS!
Bob The Engifly no shit shrelock, see what i did there :)
I don't know who else was like this, but as soon as I saw Benedict Cumberbatch, I paused the video and internally fangirled.
This vid missed out the ridiculous relationship between Spock and Uhura and the fact that the Klingons look nothing like Klingons!
See, that's my problem with reboot!Khan. They tried to make him a family man. All he wants is to protect his family, save his crew, blah blah blah. I like the original Khan and his augments because their relationship was built on the knowledge that Khan was supreme. Joachim's dying words to Khan was 'yours is truly superior'. This way, Khan has their loyalty because he's the alpha dog, and it allows him to chase his ambitions. Instead of risking everything to 'save his crew, his "family"' he will drive the crew harder towards the goal, and if they die, he will AVENGE them. Again, Khan's an alpha pack leader, not some deep-voiced family man.
6:48 Spock is the only one strong enough to fight Khan. Remember, his race is very strong.
ya Khan is 5 times stronger than humans while Vulcans are 3 times stronger
ShehbazAhmed5 That's not refuting my point, that's only giving more credit to it. Again, Spock is the only one strong enough to fight Khan. Khan being stronger doesn't refute that.
Bumbleness Supreme Brady In TOS, Kirk, who was 5 times weaker than Khan, still managed to beat him in hand-to-hand combat by pulling a control rod out of the warp reactor control panel and ringing Khan's chimes with it, and then using it to bludgeon the genetically-optimized villain into the floor. In the new timeline, any human could have done something similar. The fight isn't necessarily won by the stronger opponent, but by the opponent who best uses every advantage the situation offers.
+TheDetailsMatter you're forgetting the difference in arena. They were essentially roof hopping on a highway at 70mph. And Kirk would have no chance of catching up to Khan in the first place; On foot Khan was a great deal faster. Spock was the most physically capable person to contend with Khan on the ship.
Love the ending man! That mix is a masterpiece :)))) You get 10 sins off for that one
The biggest sin is that Abrams took over 40 years of Trek canon and tossed it in the dumpster.
***** no the best thing that could happen to star trek is gene roddenberry rising from the dead
And not replacing it with anything worthwhile...
I don't think he "tossed it in the dumpster"(in fact the 2009 movie is one of the best Trek movies I've seen), but I've always thought that somebody should finally do Star Trek in the 25th century.
Someone creative could easily pull it off. I know TNG was so popular, but they stayed WAY too long in Picard's time.
I don't know why they just didn't look for the off switch on that bomb. All bombs have off switches, so I've been told, otherwise, terrorists would get into so much trouble without them.
Anyway, please do BBC Sherlock.
Only movies my friend he doesn't do TV shows
He did tv series once and he also did a video game so I don't accept that.
Gta V and what was the TV?
I need to back track and look it up again. It wasn't a tv program I watched nor was the video game one I played so I didn't really retain them.
They should really hire this guy to go over the script or screenplay for some of these movies. The amount of plot holes in this was way to much for JJ Abraham
6:57 Because Khan was playing dead since he most likely anticipated Kirk planning to stun him
Alice Eve is not giving me a lapdance in this scene.
+skykid and neither is Zoe Saldana
+Lessien Séregon She's too busy having boyfriend problems.
+skykid Well you did see her in her undies so that should be enough.
+skykid That's 10 sins there
OH MY GOD the thing about Kirk's kicks... That made me cringe so hard. I was like: WHAAAAAAAT????? He was kicking it dOWN. The angle was all fucked up, it couldn't have moved it. haha
HOW DID YOU SOMEHOW GO THROUGH THIS MOVIE WITHOUT MENTIONING LENS FLARE ONCE!?!?!?
It was explained to me that Khan was faking it that time he got stunned by Scotty earlier in the film - he's resistant to it, hence the multiple shots by Uhura at the end
How does genetic engineering a human, make him resistant to phaser fire? What creature were his genes infused with?
Khan is supposed to be a human, but with amplified abilities. Not phaser resistant.
@@exponents2046 something doesn't have to be "infused" with another creatures genes to evolve. It could have had mutations. I don't know much about Star Trek but there's no reason I can see where he couldn't have just had this trait
To be fair, I'll forgive this film entirely if it's all ultimately build up to Khan being in the next Star Trek but has spent years being driven insane by having his and his crew's blood endlessly harvested for it's super healing properties and he's a straight up super smart psycho. That'd be pretty cool.
Yeah. Ok. That would make some sense.
On the "Spock is an action hero scene": If you've watched the right episodes in the original series, you'd know that vulcans are actually _really_ strong. On top of that, I'd imagine he got the same security training as someone like Kirk, who's a career officer.
Plus, what is the nerve pinch but a martial arts move?
I'll admit it: I liked this movie.
No shame in that
it was okay, not as good as the first, but no massive complaints, either. :)
ryan barker It my mind it wasnt nearly as bad as The Next Generation Films those films pretty much took an aging cast of actors that werent suited for action movies and tried to make them action heroes
ryan barker Even First Contact? Come on...
DoomRulz i'll say 'first contact' was probably the best of the worst, but even that really rather sucked.
it's funny, though, because i think most folk have positive, albeit vague, memories of that movie. but, then you decide to watch the redlettermedia review of it and think, jeez, was this movie really that bad? then you're like, 'hmm, how long has it been since i watched it, anyway? maybe if i watched it with a more critical eye it's not as good as my fuzzy memories?'
Daaaamn... it's been five years since the video and more than two years since my first comment, but here's a couple things that occurred to me just this morning:
1) 5:10 WTF is the reason Admiral Marcus is so _scornful_ towards Kirk during that lecture; because he refused to kill the bad guy in cold blood? Marcus has *seen proof* of how clever and brave Kirk is, has witnessed those *leadership skills* at work firsthand.
Remember in the first movie, Kirk killed off the entire crew of the Narada by photon torpedoing them deeper into the black hole. Before that, he'd boarded the dreadnought in the first place, full of Romulans from the future, to rescue Pike. He did all that on a half-assed plan and not only went through, but his bravado and charisma pushed others to take action and improvise; that's what made the plan work.
In this movie, Kirk is the only one who not only figures out Harrison's plan, but takes action and single-handedly downs the shuttle. Now he's facing Marcus aboard the Vengeance, which he snuck aboard by flying across space in an EV suit and slipping in through a tiny port. Meanwhile, Marcus has been using someone else to engineer a superweapon (powerful torpedoes that're impervious to scan) by threatening that someone's people. And when that someone goes rogue, Marcus once again sends out someone else to use those weapons... But only after sabotaging the warp core so they can't come back, to be picked off by Klingons probably - once more making others do all the legwork for him.
In short: Kirk is the kind of leader who'd go headfirst into danger and show the example for his men, Marcus is the kind who'd make others do his bidding and only visit in person when something goes wrong. I think we all know which one we'd rather put our faith in to save us in a time of war~
2) 6:50 That's bullshit; they've transported from/to moving targets *several times* in these movies.
In the first movie, Chekov himself does that by using a manual lock on Kirk and Sulu as they're falling through Vulcan's atmosphere. Then at the end of it, Scotty beams people from _two_ locations, one from the Narada and one from the Jellyfish going at full speed.
Then of course, in Beyond, they do it again; several times, using the Franklin's _antiquated_ transporter. Beaming a speeding motorcycle near Krall's camp, beaming back Kirk and Jaylah mid-flight, beaming Spock and Bones into one of the swarmers. I know that movie comes after, but if a much older transporter system can do that, so can a state-of-the-art Constitution cruiser.
One thing he didn't mention--or maybe I missed something--when Kahn gives that employee guy the water tablet that is actually the bomb that causes that explosion that only 42 people apparently died in, the bomb definitely exploded immediately after the guy dropped the tablet in the water, so he would have died in the explosion, yet sometime shortly afterward, one of the other characters--I can't remember which one--says something about the police arresting the guy who dropped the tablet in the water. How did he survive that explosion? He didn't have time to get out!
3:43 is fine as it's a callback to when Bones performs "surgey" on a torpedo in Star Trek VI.
"Now, unlike some idiots on TH-cam, I know there's gravity in space,"
*Thinks back to the Avengers vid and how the narrator complains about there being no gravity in space for Iron Man to fall back to Earth*
In his defense, it's not as if the Avengers went into detail about the physics of inter-dimensional/inter-galactic portals created by a Tesseract as it relates to gravity
misterwishart Okay, that is understandable, but he did say that there was no gravity in space, so he should've said how was Earth's gravity effecting him through the portal. :p
That's the joke. He's mocking himself.
FlawlessMatador1 I mean, if gravity effects things through a portal, Iron Man was near a planet (kinda)
@@gilan1016 Pretty sure with our current understanding of how portals work, Earth's gravity would be overwritten
That's a sick cut with Eminem....love it, take a sin off...Ding🎶🎼🛎
I loved star trek beyond the cinematography was beautiful. But something about j.j. abrams and his swooping shots, and circular motions that just get me in the movie. I love the way he color grades everything with light blue and adds lens flares with quick cuts in the fight scenes and a shakey cam. The chase scenes as well when he does that far away shot then quickly zooms in. Story wise this one was the strongest of the trilogy in terms of story. Like I said I still REALLY loved star trek beyond
should have had a bonus round of lens flair.
I don't get why lens flare is so bad... ? Same shit as US hating CGI ?...
Lens flair in itself isn't bad, but when it covers up the action or the faces of actors it is an issue. Jar Jar Abrams is the worst offender and this movie is the pinnacle of to much flair.
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Should pay more attention then, gotta see what you mean, because i didn't really notice it at all D:...
I am probably one of the very few people on Earth who hates the Star Trek reboot movies. Star Trek was never about huge action scenes, destruction every 5 seconds, or so many futuristic devices and alien makeup that it makes George Lucas look like Ed Wood. It was about adventure, strategy, real world issues brilliantly translated into exciting stories, becoming emotionally attached to the main characters and even side characters, and some degree of humanity that's not a contrived cliché seen in every lazy sci-fi movie. This is the equivalent of waving your iPhone's camera around while at the same time waving keys in front of the lens. Mindless action and destruction with no emotion or logic and a few Original Series references to make the fan boys stop complaining for 5 seconds. JJ Abrams, you're a genius for most movies, but if you mess up Star Wars as much as you've messed up Star Trek, I'm coming after you!
This second movie was pretty big on storyline, in the DVD interviews they said the visuals and interactions were built around the story and not the opposite. Personally, I find the first one was a lot more blockbuster-type and less Trek-y.
Then again, yes, there's plenty of unneeded VFX and explosions and lens flares and warp "filaments" and lens flares and phaser shots being generic slower-than-light bolts and DID I SAY FUCKING LENS FLARES
...when the actual show and canon movies were more about storytelling, character development, philosophy and strategy.
Don't worry, reading most comments on here I think it's safe to say most people hate the reboots. =P you're not part of the "very few".
I agree with you on a lot of things... but Star Trek was also with great action scenes. The space battle between Reliant and Enterprise was incredible, Star Trek VI also had an incredible action level, not talking about the Dominion War. Star Trek spirit is not ABOUT action, but there IS action, so the fact that there is action in the reboot is totally fine by me, even at this level. The problems are the stories that are not well written :/
I am another one of the few.
Lol, time to go after JJ Abrams apparently. Episode 9 was a dumpster fire. I actually don't consider these to be star trek movies and I agree with you on all points. In my mind, these are "Star Trek Adjacent" but not proper star trek.
The sweet irony of that fact that he stresses he understands there IS gravity in space, but has a problem with everything even 'moon distance' away plummeting to Earth, while in the previous video I watched he makes the same point under the pretense there is NO gravity in space
I saw the first two movies in the theatre and I enjoyed them both.
I've got three movie sins.
Ok, those of us who are Trekie veterans know that Data was the first successful android to be in Starfleet in the days of Captain Picard, but then there's at LEAST one (possibly two, the red "alien" that can be identified as sin #48) androids on the bridge of the Enterprise in 2259? NOPE, not buying it.
Khan gets a portable Transwarp beaming device designed by Scotty in 2259, yet nobody has even designed a Transwarp beaming device in the year 2409 (150 years later)? ...Not buying this either.
And another thing, Uhura was able to make contact with the Nemoy Spock (RIP) on New Vulcan yet they couldn't send a distress call to Earth? Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that, unless they decided to put New Vulcan on the Moon, getting a channel from the Moon to New Vulcan is QUITE a bit harder than getting a channel from the Moon to Earth.
Something I forgot to mention is that Transwarp (aka Waarp 10) wasn't successfully tested until 2372 by Tom Paris and the crew of the USS Voyager. Even then, it made his DNA evolve so fast that the EMH couldn't figure it out for several hours, if not a day. Furthermore, at Transwarp you are EVERYWHERE, so it's basically like using the Infinite Improbability Drive used in The Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
+killit95 Could argue that the device opens a transwarp manifold, then sends a matter stream through as per the "beaming" part. That should negate ant temporal effects and there's no DNA to alter inside the manifold.
+Vecheslav Novikov but on the other hand the general definition of transwarp is past warp speed, and according to standard Star Trek speed measurements that is at Warp 10, which means that it's LITERALLY a beaming device which could beam anyone from Earth to wherever they wanted to as long as they have the coordinates.
killit95
pretty much
+killit95 That guy with the fan in his head was most likely a cyborg and not an android, also you have to remember that on this channel book do not matter, so I don't think the TV show that movie was based on matters either.
That's a thing most people forget. This may not be a good Star Trek movie, but it's a pretty nice sci-fi action movie.
I fucking died at Eminem reference. Lol
It's called foreshadowing Jeremy. Also your voice is quite lovely.
Sin:
the cell phones are also flip phones
richie thach flip phones are the best phones
but to us right now they are outdated
richie thach It's a reference to the old communicators from the original show, which is what inspired cell phones (specifically flip phones) to be invented
The Atom Bombs
Thank you, finally another person who knows what they are talking about!
I'm surprised there was no reference to the lens flare.
the lens flare is cool
ejcmoorhouse the lens flares were cool the first time. this time not so much. but luckily for you since jj will be directing the new star wars too i'm sure there will be plenty there as well.
Actually, why wasn't there a bonus stage of sins for Lens Flares? Per lens flares totals one sin.
that would mean playing the whole movie
I love the lens flare.
42 is the number of life and everything, i demand you remove a sin off!
Carson Chiu 42 was the answer, they just didn't know the QUESTION.
"42", as a numeral often used in movies, is a nod to Douglas Adams - Life, the Universe, and Everything. I remember reading somewhere that someone crunched all numbers spoken in movie scripts, and 42 was the most common.
Okay, for that last one, did you *really* want a retread of "A Search for Spock"?
The last one?
When he complained about that Deus ex Machina bringing Kirk back.
Kirk had to come back somehow, but I agree about McKoy's testing the torpedoes being ridiculous.
McCoy did assist Spock with the heat-seeking torpedo in ST VI.
that´s no "heat seeker" torp...it is a litteral exhaust sniffer...
The thing about the climactic "KHAN!!!" moment that nobody (including JJ) seems to get, is that in the Wrath of Khan, original-timeline Kirk wasn't *really* mad. He had to make Khan *think* he was seething with helpless rage over being marooned so that Khan would savor his revenge and drag his feet hunting down poor, crippled Enterprise to finish her off, giving Spock and the crew the time they needed to make repairs. Later, when Spock sacrificed his life to save the ship, he and Kirk sat on opposite sides of the glass partition trying to choke out the last words either of them will ever say to each other in this life. There was no rage in that scene, either. The emotion in play was the pain and grief of two grown men with a close personal friendship spanning the better part of a half-century of shared experiences, saying their last goodbye.
The Pine-Quinto scene falls flat in comparison to the Shatner-Nimoy scene, because in STID, Kirk & Spock are practically strangers to each other. They've shared a year, maybe less, in each other's company; nothing even close to the lifetime friendship portrayed in the Wrath of Khan.
JJ and company just completely missed the point on the whole "Wrath of Khan-homage" thing.
***** And, in the scene following, Kirk is feeling old and washed up, and then his former lover, the mother of his bastard, who had no british accent and no starfleet uniform to misplace, invited him to come see her genesis cave, to make him *feel young as when the Earth was new.*
(There's really no need to stack quotes for me. I'm probably the oldest trekker in this discussion.)
The Khan scream packed a big punch of apparent anger and frustration, but those emotions, which tend to linger and fester, instead vanished the moment the communicator snapped shut. Kirk went into the cave, calmly reclined on the grass, was enigmatic to his ensign, revealed his dark secret of having cheated on Starfleet Academy's graduation test, and then called Spock for a beam-out as if on cue. He was in complete control the whole time.
The scream was totally for Khan's benefit. It was James T. being a smug, manipulative jerk, as always.
***** There were some things about JJ-Trek that I enjoyed. I liked the fact that they established a legitimate use for the shuttle bay, for instance. TOS used a space the size of the superdome to house two six-man shuttles, which were used in all of 6 episodes because the transporter was so much more convenient (and so much less difficult a special effect to perform at the time). In JJ-Trek, a shuttle sat 20 crew, and the ship carried 20 shuttles. Which meant that, if catastrophe (or a Romulan mining ship) should happen to strike, almost the whole crew could be shuttled away to safety. The shuttlebay actually makes more sense in JJ-Trek.
I also liked the fact that, even though they were in process of fundamentally rewriting the canonical history of Star Trek, they owned to it in-story instead of pretending that it had always been the bastardized way (even though the lion's share of viewers damned well knew otherwise) like the producers of Star Trek: First Contact did. Revisionist historians set my teeth on edge.
"Now unlike some idiots on TH-cam, I know there's gravity in space"
2013 Avengers video: "No gravity in space"
Around 6:50 -
The "flying thing", whatever you want to call it is moving at a constant velocity and can be locked onto as it is predictable. She could easily be transported on it due to this. They can't be beamed up because the change of velocity when moving around on that object from fighting would not give an accurate lock.
Spock is a GREAT action hero, he always has been!
Why they couldn't get a lock on Khan or spock on the moving target was because they were moving on the moving target.
THANK YOU!
That doesn't explain how they can still beam someone down to the moving moving target while also making it so that the speed of the person being beamed down matches the moving target. Without the speed being matched, the person would fall right off even if the could manage to beam them onto the target.
gastronomist you can aim a missile at a moving jet going faster than the speed of sound by aiming the missile at where the target is GOING to be. simple math explains that you could set her on the ship just by that alone
Monica Duncan Beaming someone down to a moving target is not in any way like shooting a missile. (Maybe they should have shot her out of the torpedo tubes.) I'm not sure if you knew this, but when you fire a missile at something, you don't expect it stay intact when it arrives at its destination. So what you are saying is irrelevant if you expect to keep people in one pieces when you beam them down.
gastronomist it was an example of trigonometry at work if you want to be literal then here: since this is a future and that was obviously a lane, the ship had a set speed. you factor that into your target aiming then have the warp constantly moving with the ship then you can beam anyone down like anyone can skydive from a satellite within gravitational pull onto a 2 foot target without dying. take a chillpill and stop taking this at face value maybe you'll be happier
Why is it a rule that, when there's a terrorist attack, all the important people have to meet up in one room? Do they not have better ways of communicating in the future? How is Kirk apparently the first person to realise that this might not be a good idea and how is Khan the first person who tried to exploit it?
Or... why wouldn't they have at least some sort of shields installed on their major operations buildings in the future? Along with emergency (or even regularly used with encoded access) transporters and other escape systems in any areas top brass would meet? Attacks like that may not happen often on Earth, but things like that should have become a consideration as far back as the Xindi attack from Enterprise (which was followed by a consulate attack the next year that killed several top brass), or at very least systems they added after Nero's attack just a year or so prior.
This movie had so many lenses flares it made the lighting in solo look normal. There both still really good