Everything Wrong With Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
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In one of the best rebounds ever, the Star Trek series follows up boring-ass first movie with thrilling-ass Wrath of Khan sequel! Good move, Star Trek!!!
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Scotty wasn't crying over some kid, that was his nephew.
Yeah, the scene establishing that is, like, randomly distributed in various versions of the movie. It's had so many cuts over the years. (Although, seriously, why was it not in every cut? Scotty's actions make NO SENSE without establishing that.)
You beat me to it thelaughingrouge.
Yeppers
He was? I had no idea
Actually the scene was included in the original movie theatre release.
For some on unexplainable reason, they removed it from the VHS and LaserDisc release.
The missing scene was also included in some showings on TV channels over the years. I specifically remember it being shown on the ABC TV network.
Should have taken a sin off for James Horner's music on this film - it really was masterful. It was definitely part of what made the film's overwhelming success.
Just as long as you overlook how much he borrowed from Prokofiev's Alexander Neveky for the final battle music.
Listened to the whole score in question. Found a couple short parts that probably inspired him, but those make up all of a short few seconds of the film, and even the final battle. It's fair to say he borrowed a bit, but if he borrowed the majority of it, it was not from this piece.
The music is perfect. Adds a lot to the experience, which is the point.
Jason Blalock Sometimes creating a great piece of art is knowing who to steal from and how much.
@@jasonblalock4429 There should be a James Horner plagiarism drinking game. What? The Braveheart Love Theme is from Holst's Planets? I'm gonna need a cab home!
5:06 That simulation was revolutionary in fractal and algorithmic art, and paved the way for most video special effects we have today. Minus one sin for disrespect.
Absolutely. It's probably one of the single most important CGI shots in film history, especially considering it was rendered in *1982.*
Nerrrrrrds
Nah I'm kidding that's actually pretty amazing. Now to continue scrolling comments sections for cool facts
The sin wasn't for the actual effect. The sin was for the in universe nonsense that would have gone into making the effect.
@@bubba200874426 Yeah, but by the 23rd Century, that sort of rendering would be cheap and easy.
Wasnt it the start of ILM, or those guys had something to do with it?
In the Directors cut you find out the boy the Scotty was crying over it was his nephew
Chris peterson I didn't know there was a director's cut version?
I had an impression they state it in original movie too. I believe Scotty brags about his Sister's son being on his first duty.
Also in the novelization, which went deeper into their relationship.
Dude, _that _*_was_*_ in the original._ quite plainly stated, too. ...and in the book version.
@@hereticpariah6_66 it was in the original theatrical release but was missing on home video and is sometimes in the TV version and sometimes not.
The "word" Scotty's soon-to-be-dead nephew is talking about is reference to the earlier scene where Kirk inspects the engine room and he ask Scotty if "his" engines are capable of handling a training crew. Scotty replied "Give the word, admiral", to which Kirk replied "The word is given." Meaning command or ok. 10 sins off for not paying attention to the movie.
Cut scene of Scotty and McCoy at Scotty's family house and the family fight over Scotty giving more attention to his nephew that his Niece who later becomes a captain of the USS Montgomery he designed clears up a lot of confusion.
"This scene gets me every time."
Me too, Jeremy. Me too.
In naval terms, mister is a referral to rank.
In the United States Navy and United States Coast Guard it is proper to use Mister to refer to commissioned officers below the rank of lieutenant commander, or to subordinate commissioned officers, though the use of Mister implies familiarity compared to the use of rank title for an unknown officer.
Unkl_ Mnky Also, another sin needs to be removed because Jeremy didn’t know that Saavik is half Vulcan, half Romulan.
What do you mean it was never mentioned in Star Treks II through IV?
Just having a little fun with one of my favorite Franchises of all time. 🖖😁
"Mister" refers specifically to Ensigns, doesn't it?
Referring to officers as “mister” is supposed to only be for enlisted members introducing civilians friends and family to said officers
nothing like bitching about sexism during something deliberately (and awkwardly) done to AVOID sexism
you can't win
@@ericredbear425 I thought Mister referred directly to Lieutenant
"is this moving saying Scotty has gonorrhea?"
No, it's referencing the original series "The Trouble with Tribbles" and Scotty's classic distaste of shore leave.
Good catch!
Plus of being accused of murder...?
Actually, Jimmy Doohan had suffered a heart attack, THAT"s what the line was referring to.
Hiraghm Shame on Jeremy for not knowing how much devotion Scotty has towards his beloved Engines! 😂
Er... I always thought it was referencing Scotty's penchant for extreme alcohol consumption putting him in need of a doctor's care by the end of his shore leave.
@@_WillCAD_ 100% correct! "Never get drunk unless you're willing to pay for it the next day."
Everyone else: **B*tching because they love this movie**
Me: **Crying because Spock being dead at the end of this always makes me upset**
Jaidin Borenski ...even if he comes back..?
I am 41, seen that scene of sacrifice many times, still gives me tears
I saw this in the cinemas with my (now late) father at 11 years old: Spock's death reduced me to tears then, and despite knowing he's resurrected every time I see the scene, I still find tears flowing. It's a moving scene: anyone who isn't affected by it either hates ST or has a heart of stone, imo.
Spock must be out of revives.
After countless rewatches (run time matches must platelets donation time), Spock's death and Scotty's bagpipe playing 'Amazing Grace" .... real tears!
One sin for cinema sins not knowing Peter Preston was scottys nephew
As others pointed out. It's not established in every cut of this movie.
Is he the actors death or the characters. Because if it's the actors then I'm not sure how it's relevant to the movie and if the character is supposed to the related to Scotty then why on earth is that not even hinted at. I mean a name badge or something
only 5 Sins removed for Spocks Badassery????? 15 at least.
all? yes, all sins removed.
I'll second that. Also, a sin for the 'two dimensional thinking' line, immediately followed by a demonstration of fundamentally two dimensional tactics.
Actually upset there wasn't a "Khan" bonus round.
Or that the shout didn't get sins removed, I meme it's a flipping meme by now.
KKKHHHHAAAAANNNNN
“From hell’s heart I stab at thee...for hate’s sake I spit my last breath...at thee”
“Ceti Alpha six exploded six months after we were left here”
Yes, the reaction in the movie theater to Richard Montalban was laughter...when we first saw him on the screen. But after his first couple of words, we knew he meant business. You can't get around the passion he put into that role. Nobody else could have done it.
If the studio had left in the part where Scotty says the trainee was his nephew, their scenes would have made more sense.
There are multiple versions of the film
From what people have been commenting, those scenes were part of the original theatrical release but for some reason on home VHS and DVD, they cut those scenes.
@@hufflepunk9562 They are on DVD's too. You just need the right version
or that he was his physical trainer.
In the director's cut and when I saw it at the drive-in
I just had the privilege of watching STAR TREK II on the big screen at my local theater yesterday. ILM’s simple, practical special effects were beautiful to see. I am so tired of the boring, mind numbing CGI crap in movies today. I wish that todays filmmakers would learn that sometimes less is more.
Yeah, I much prefer the use of quality CG employed effectively, which also appears in different movies today.
Actually, this movie was a pioneer in digital special effects -- the "genesis effect" was an animation and one of the first to use a fractal landscape, which is effectively computer generating a shape from a random probability distribution
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_computer_animation_in_film_and_television
But yes, I definitely enjoy practical effects. Movies like Inception are great works of art in that respect
Yes, you SHOULD believe that these senior officers would pretend to be juniors for the sake of these college students, because:
A. It's a military college.
B. It's one of the best ways for cadets to learn, because they're gaining knowledge from people with direct experience.
C. They ACTUALLY DO THIS AT MILITARY COLLEGES IN AMERICA.
I would also imagine working around senior officers would add an extra layer of pressure
@@Lapinporokoira Also that, thank you!
I would also think it removes some random elements, like having a rookie helmsman who can't follow your orders because he doesn't know wtf he's doing, which shouldn't be part of a normal mission. Presumably, the senior officers would know how to correctly operate their assigned part of the ship. Admittedly, observing your handling of a dipshit helmsman could also be part of your evaluation in a leadership role....
I don't know if it's because I'm tired, but this is very confusing.
Exactly why do they even have these elaborate exploding bridge stages when (according to CBS Trek) they supposedly have holodecks?
He collects Old revolvers as well as old ships. *Points at Flintlocks*
Look at those two powder flasks, just like Dirty Harry had.
Ding
Did I fire one shot or no shots well do you feel lucky punk?
If he could recite it in the ancient tongue of Mordor ,Black speech.
I saw that.
This is by far the best Star Trek film.
I also love VI I like the politics and investigation. I think II probably edges it out, but I do love both.
Its widely regarded as the reason Star Trek didn't die off as a series after The (Slow) Motion Picture, and thus what led to The Next Generation. The rest... is history.
No sins removed for 62 year old Ricardo Montalban's physique, which is more impressive than most guys in their prime? The guy was pretty cut for a senior citizen, and it was not makeup, he actually worked out to look more menacing for the role.
Yep, that's no chest plate under his costume that's HIS REAL CHEST! When I found that out I couldn't believe it. You'd think under that white suit he wore on Fantasy Island there was nothing, but that guy was ripped.
He worked out for several months before shooting.
The dead trainee kid is Scotty's nephew.
Funeral scene definitely hits you right in the feels. Looks so genuine on Kirk for once
I loved it when I first saw it. I admit the bit about him being human hasn't aged well. It makes me think of all the times in Hollywood disaster movies where the hero has an American flag behind them because the other 230 countries couldn't save the planet without an American hero.
Vulcans in starfleet are so filing a protest with HR over Kirk's racism......
I have heard that Walter Koenig was aware of the continuity error, but held his tongue to avoid having his part in the movie diminished. He also jokes that Chekov was hogging a bathroom that Khan wanted to use.
They retcon it in a book later that Chekhov was there on ceti alpha v when they helped set up khans colony there which was several months later and actually took place during the events in the second season. So he actually did meet him briefly.
@@Mike1064ab I prefer Mr. Koenig's story
You didn't mention the one huge plot hole I always cringe over, lol. That no one on Reliant realised there was an entire planet missing from the Ceti Alpha system, LOL:D
That's because the system hadn't been fully mapped during the time of Space Seed (and the mission logs were sealed). When Reliant got there they assumed the old probe data was wrong.
@@0427Tink Ahh, but when Kirk asked Spock in 'Space Seed' if they were travelling close to the Ceti Alpha system, Spock off the top of his head gives Kirk a run down on Ceti Alpha V saying it was habitable if savage. I kinda think that means the system was mapped firstly because Kirk knew it was there and secondly because Spock new the details of that system.
And why do you assume the logs were sealed? Why would they be? None of the other missions logs were sealed. If anything an advisory would probably go out from Starfleet telling Captains to stay away from that system which makes it very well known.
Given how hard it is for us to pick up planets or even asteroids from earth with all of our capabilities, I'm not that surprised a starship slipping into a system would have a hard time counting the number of planets.
@@christophersmith4897 Other than Wrath of Khan is set a couple of hundred years in the further with future tech that has been stated in many episodes over all the Trek series to be able to scan a system immediately In 'The Doomsday Machine' for example they arrive at the system only to find several planets missing, a couple still in one piece and one in the process of being broken up ... all while sitting on the outer edge of the system.
@@ukmediawarrior I must admit that was always one of my biggest peeves. That even with super future tech they could not only show up and detect all bodies within several dozen AU but also determine their orbits accurately enough to identify them. lol. Of all the advances I could accept for the sake of the plot, being able to do in an instant what we need at least days if not months of observations to do was always just on the other side of being able to suspend disbelief. I suppose along with Warp drive, shields, and tractor beams all powered by producing warps in space/time they could likely detect the same due to planetary objects but it always bugged me. just my tick.
James Horner got an Oscar for Titanic. Imho this soundtrack is much better.
Requiescat in pace
Totally agree
I loved the opening theme music used for this and the next one. Was a bit miffed that they didn't use it for what was essentially the third movie in a trilogy.
Spock's return was less cash and more Leonard Nimoy changed his mind about quitting as Spock when he was what the character meant to the fans. I think that was why he decided to unkill his character.
Yep. Nimoy also enjoyed the fact that being "reincarnated" on the Genesis planet would add some quirks to Spock...and idea he very much wanted to explore.
Course money and directing the next two films had nothing to do with it. It was no secret that Nimoy had grown to hate the character and felt typecast by it.
90% of comments are about Scotty's nephew.
10% is "KHAAAAAAAN!!!"
75% Scotty’s nephew
10% KHAAAAAAN
15% complaining about idjits who don’t know what a revolver is
@@charleshackney416 true.
My dad has a *cough cough* TOY *cough cough* model of a communicator, (well he has three model ships and like ten other communicators) and when you press a button it screams ‘KHHHAAAAANNNN’
@@__-zf3tz lol. That's pretty neat.
@@equivalentartexchange7096 And there's always one twat commenting on the comments.
All this Sins video did was remind me how spectacular the early Star Trek Motion Pictures were.
This after all these years remains my favorite Star Trek movie
They hated E.T. so I stopped watching for a couple years.
“…aand that’s exactly what walks through the door” good god man 😂
"Boldly going forward, still can't find reverse!"
I’m commenting without watching the video.
There is *NOTHING* wrong with Wrath of Khan!
... now I’m gonna to watch this video to rant for the next 17 minutes.
Jm Casler favorite comment ever
It's true, this is a perfect movie!
My original comment above:
Sinning "The Wrath of Khan".....
is Wayne Brady gonna hafta unsub a bitch?
@Michael Freed Spock does that all the time. He uses a better word than 'lying'. Watch Star Trek 6, he does is all the time in that film.
I can name THREE a things wrong
1. Star Fleet apprently failed to notice an entire PLANET got destroyed 15 years ago
2. Chekhov and Khan recognize one another despite Chekhov not being in “Space Seed”
3. Scotty decided to take his dying nephew to the bridge rather than sickbay
Partial main power explains the code used earlier. In addition to being a workaholic, Scotty is an excellent jury rigger. To get full power would take two days but jury rigging enough systems so that the Enterprise could put up a fight was doable in two hours.
Those are muzzle loading, flintlock and percussion cap pistols, not revolvers.
IKR One sin for the idiot making the video.
In fairness, most people on earth wouldn't know that.
To most people everything that goes bang with the designed purpose to kill people is a gun and the difference is hard to tell apart.
I enjoy military history and watch channels on here that discusses weapons. I have 300 or so books on history 1871-1945 and I couldnt tell you if a gun is a carbine or a rifle and I can only tell if a hand gun is a revolver or an automatic pistol because the shape is obvious.
Remember.... It's obvious that you know something only because it's part of your knowledge base. I bet most people couldn't tell the difference between different species of grass, grains of wood, shapes of stamps, methods used to make a brick, types of fishing lure or material used to make a tampon, dye used to colour their socks, how the software runs their phone or types of strong used to weave their bed covers.
Humanity is defined by our understanding. We tend to have limited interests and therefore limited understanding.
Still waiting for Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
Maybe our wishes will be granted one day
I'm still waiting for First Contact
He was probably waiting for the next new Star Trek movie to come out to continue the series but since it looks like there won't be any more Star Trek movies we may never get The Voyage Home or beyond
@@PlumbPitiful Well we may get TV sins of the various shows.
@@jaketheberge1970 No one cares about Discovery. It's not STAR TREK.
3:13 - This scene was written as a little quip about James Doohan's heart attack before filming The Wrath of Khan. This was the "wee bout" Scotty was referring to here according to James Doohan himself in an interview.
never knew that before.. thank you.
@@omega311888 Yes, he had a massive heart attack which nearly killed him. So a "wee bout" was the understatement of the century.
I like the STD version instead.
The kid at 7:50 is Scotty's nephew according to the director's cut and novelization.
omg, who the hell cares??
@Michael Freed I'm pretty sure the American theatrical release did not reference Scotty's nephew. I believe it wasn't until the TV version came out that we got that reference on screen.
Actually, IMDB has an article on this, as there are multiple versions of the film that have been aired or released.
www.imdb.com/title/tt0084726/alternateversions
@@AstroNerdBoy I knew the kid was Scotty's nephew when I saw it - And I saw it in the theater when it was first released. Never actually seen it on TV or home video, but I still knew it. IMDB can have any article they want 30 years later. It doesn't make them right.
@@_XR40_ Well, I don't know what to tell you. I don't remember it in the theater addition. And movie studios didn't cut stuff out of video tape releases. I think when I read the novelization was when I first knew that it was Scotty's nephew. And then when the movie was on TV, I remember being pissed 'cause all of this stuff wasn't in the theater version. It made me wonder if Europe/Japan got this superior cut as they did with Aliens.
@@AstroNerdBoy Couldn't say what version other people may have seen, but I distinctly remember thinking that the kid's death was just pointlessly gratuitous crap, trying to make the audience care about another _redshirt_ death - And Scotty dragging him to the bridge was just tacky and forced. By the end, I was thinking that it took away from the impact of Spock's death.
(As a fan at the time, I also knew the kid was doomed as soon as Kirk talked to him)
My point is: I saw it twice in the theater within the space of a couple days after it was released. Never read the novelisation. Never saw it on TV, DVD or even VHS. However, you may be right in that other countries _often_ get slightly different versions of films...
Best. Trek. Ever. Every scene, and especially the epic Hambone vs. Hambone duels between Kirk and Khan could not possibly earn sins. EVERY single scene shot is a home-run. Also, I had a minor critique about one of the scenes, but watching the sequence of badass laid out by the CinemaSins guys, it's been blown completely out of my head. What a goddamn GREAT movie.
CinemaSins committed a sin. Those guns are NOT revolvers. To be a 'revolver', the gun must have a revolving cylinder. Those firearms do not have a revolving cylinder. Epic fail.
towert7 they're not historical gun experts, or likely modern guns either.
I mean he was wrong, but....his fail wasn’t as epic as you think it was. It kinda doesn’t matter.
Neeeerrrrrrrdddddd!
@@alikaandrade3435 : This is Cinema Sins. _Everything_ matters.
Well, CinemaSins is comprised of "woke" leftists, so they know nothing about firearms, military ranking, insignia, or standard practices, etc.
OK, about that Genesis Effect bit. I know it looks cheesy now. As it happens, I was visiting ILM (in San Rafael when they were an unmarked building in a business park) when that sequence was being filmed. It was drawn one frame at a time on a (I think Genesco) CRT graphics display. I recall each frame took 30 seconds or perhaps significantly more to fill -- something like that. Then a camera pointing at the CRT would automatically click off a single frame shot and the next graphics frame would start to fill in on the CRT. Given the limitations at the time, it came out pretty well I think. This is probably the best film in the ST franchise. I worked on the first one (ST:TMP). I knew it was horrible as soon as I saw the script. I have some pretty bizarre stories from that production. Keep up the good work!
Lauren Weinstein. Awesome.
Reminds me of Mario Paint
It always reminded me of the Amiga program that allowed you to import the elevation data for a planet and 'terraform' it. I had always that must be how they rendered the water and plants
All that stuff was pretty darn good for the time.
For years I thought the book sequences of the BBC TV adaptation of the Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy were proper computer made sequences. Only found later in the 90s they were hand drawn animations. I mean they look that good. The man who drew them won an award for them at the time.
I have a theory about Chekhov knowing Khan. He was on the enterprise at the time but was not promoted to navigation until later. So was somewhere in lower decks.
Good theory.
He also studied the ship's records
Walter Koenig joked that Chekov bumped into Khan on his way to the bathroom.
@@76TomD Which wouldn't explain how Khan knew him, however...
At any given time there were over 400 crew members aboard the Enterprise. It's very plausible that Chekov was working in another section and saw Khan but we never saw him on camera
Just for the record... Savaak is half-Vulcan / half-Romulon. That's why she never quite acts like a Vulcan and emotes "too much." The weird thing is, they filmed scenes establishing this at least twice during the film series, but they kept getting cut in post production.
Yeah, well that explanation never made it into the film, so Bennet and Meyer were fine with everyone thinking she's a Vulcan.
BUT, assuming the half-Romulan story is canon, how would that explain her wearing her emotions on her sleeve? Romulans are an offshoot of the Vulcan race, essentially the same people, just living on different planets. Green blood and all. Which makes Saavik the weirdest looking Vulcan or Romulan ever, with pink skin, rosy cheeks, and ruby-red lips. She says humor is a difficult concept and is always spouting about logic, but where is the logic in painting one's face in order to look more human?
Vulcans are not emotionless. They are so hot-blooded with emotion that they nearly wiped themselves out, hence their current stoicism and emotional suppression. Romulans _could_ suppress their own emotions in the same way, but they simply chose not too. They are no more genetically predisposed to emotion than their Vulcan brethren, so it was really just a lame excuse. No wonder it was cut.
15:15 Converting a scene from Star Trek into a parody of Galaxy Quest which is a parody of Star Trek. Meta/10.
wasn't it great?
I've been wondering for a while why they haven't sinned Galaxy Quest yet, to be honest. Every time I hear it referenced in the outtakes, I'm like "Do a EWW on Galaxy Quest, please, please, please! It would be so fun!"
@@picaludica That would be a hell of a thing ;-)
@@picaludica I agree, but how does one sin a satire??
I think the torpedo thing was because the automatic systems were offline?
Also, to show Spock's burial.
The main reason. So they could all gather there for the burial.
The director, Nicholas Meyer, wanted a "running out the guns" shot amongst the other nautical influences he added to the film.
@@CharlesP2009 Yeah. He apparently drew inspiration from things like Horatio Hornblower and stuff. When I saw this movie as a young teen, the torpedo loading seemed very cool to me. When I got older, it became one of those, "OK, this really doesn't make sense."
The movie should have had a line to indicate why they'd need to manually "run the guns" on a starship, but then Nicholas Meyer wasn't really versed in Star Trek, so it didn't occur to him to do so.
Could also be because the ship was on a training cruise, or a case of "we're deep in Federation space, do we need the torpedoes?". It's a ship full of cadets, but is there even a full crew complement? I see the logic of the other comments, though.
You didn't mention Saavik crying at Spock's funeral which would be a sin, but in either another cut or in the novel, (I don't remember which) it's explained that she's half Romulan and half Vulcan. Even just a little bit of dialogue would've explained that.
Read that, but haven't seen that on film. Did get to hear that cut conversation on Sulu's promotion, which was deleted and not brought back until ST 6.
And you didn’t notice that the supposed authorization for the Reliant taking the Genesis device from Regula was from Kirk, which would result in Regula contacting Kirk for confirmation and Kirk would come to straighten things out when contact with Regula is lost. Again, not a mistake.
I'm pretty sure your over thinking this.
Like
A LOT
Kirk: *Come*
Narrator: _and that's exactly what walks through the door!_
Jesus I haven't surprise LOLed at something lately. thanks for making my day
Got me too.
I just got that joke LOL
The novelization answers the question of why Scotty is so upset. The trainee is Scotty's nephew.
Saavik was his friend and when he died she raged in her quaters. She was half Romulan so was a Vulcan with a wild side. It would have been better if these scenes were in the film.
skylx08 she also had the ability to change her looks from Kirstie Alley into Robin Curtis
@@skylx0812 The novelizations also had a story thread where she got pregnant with Spock's son during his Pon Farr in Star Trek III.
And originally Savaak was supposed to be in The Undiscovered Country, but the studio forced them to recast her role with a better-known actress. (Which is such a shame; having Savaak turn out to be a conspirator would have been a really great twist.)
Roddenberry also disagreed with her turning traitor, though.
You sinned Kahn and chekov’s interaction, saying that they never met, it was established in a tie in comic that chekov was indeed on the enterprise during the events of space seed, just not on the main bridge crew. And as ge says in that very story just because he wasn’t on the bridge, doesn’t mean he wasn’t there, it’s a crew of 430, most we ever meet is like 50, and that’s factoring in all the redshirts who die and no doubt get replaced…
A show where the size of the shuttles compared to the ship is horribly miss matched, the actors play multiple species and have different names and that's just glossed over and there is barely an attempt at understanding the difference between a quadrant, system or sector. Let alone the nonsense about the edge of the galaxy. Or it's centre. Or something.
I adore star trek. But it's only enjoyable if you enjoy the enormous holes in every level of cannon. Trying to sin cinema sins by using a magazine that's not even cannon is just self sinning.
All fair, I just like drawing attention to the comics, particularly those of the 80s and early 90s are awesome.
Those were flintlock pistols not revolvers... ding
Star Trek II: Wrath of Khan is 40 years old!
Top notch tension, cool effects, the end of life and the beginning of new one balanced beautifully
Great memorable lines
Definitely one of the franchise's best installments and director Nicholas Meyer saved it
Such a miraculous performance by the late Ricardo Montalban
Full of Shakespearean elements and lots of Moby Dick and Captain Horatio
Amazing the filmmakers had the gall to kill off Spock and it got quite the emotional reaction from fans
It was cool too this movie tied specifically to the 1967 tv series making Khan's motivation very clear
Plus it left fingerprints on modern blockbusters like X2: X-Men United and Transformers 3
NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS MOVIE, it’s sinless!
I agree. I was expecting "Everything Wrong With Star Trek II: the Wrath of Khan" in 6 seconds or less.
Throw up the moment the credits start and say "the moment I realized we would never get anything this good ever again."
Cinema Sins, you task me! You task me!
@@iansneddon2956 usually that’s Nostalgia Critics job
“Movie title” in 5 seconds
I've come all the way from deep space to make clear that there's NOTHING wrong with Star Trek II: The wrath of Khan.
Clearly the people who made this video like the movie. Everything doesn’t have to be perfect to be good. And one thing this movie has is a sense of humor about itself.
7:17. In the director's cut of this movie, it is revealed that the kid is in fact Scotty's Sister's son. So Scotty is carrying him up to the bridge probably because he is overwhelmed with emotion.
"My sister's youngest, Admiral."
Yes, that is a navy legend. The cadet was in fact asking permission to die.
Nothing. Nothing is wrong with the wrath of Khan. Roll credits.
🤣😂🤣😂
1:29 not a revolver in sight... doesn’t Jeremy occasionally mention being most of a history major or something??
Khan is a super-genius, but a super-genius by 1996 standards, this is 2285...
super genius in 1996 just means you can beat Doom. :)
Super Genius or not, he had no real experience or knowledge of space battles, nor did his crew. This was why they were so clumsy or seemingly negligent during the battles. Without the element of surprise he wouldnt have been able to do that kind of damage to the enterprise.
I like to think that despite having a superior intellect, Khan was actually quite mad by the time he and his followers escape Ceti Alpha V. The death of his wife had obviously affected him, and considering that he mentions what killed her she doubtless died in the most unpleasant way possible on that dead planet. The years stranded on a said dead planet, with only the slugs that killed his wife and his original follower's inbred offspring for company (because I don't believe for a second those were supposed to be his original followers, and so I see the "these people have sworn to live and die at my command two hundred years before you were born" line as just another sign of his madness). The name he no doubt had on his mind every day and the face he saw every night for fifteen years, the face of his tormentor: James T. Kirk. Obsessively reading the likes of Moby Dick and to the point where he starts to view himself as Captain Ahab and Kirk as his white whale.
Those are the kinds of things that would drive anyone mad. Even a superman.
Having a mirror with lights all around it is incredibly useful if you have to put makeup on and don’t have a handy sunlit window, although that does make me wonder how much makeup Spock wears on a daily basis.
I hope with the reupload of this, you'll finally "Bring on the Whales" and continue through the Trek films!
The issue with Spock's burial is brought up in the next movie when Sarek gives Kirk hell for not bringing Spock back to Vulcan for burial.
Movie person: *breaths*
Cinema sins: that sin cannot be forgiven
Person breathes in a movie cliche
The audio clip outtakes are always the best part. The Muppet Show theme playing as Enterprise turns lights on had me in stitches.
6:04 yes hes SOMEWHAT lucky, but remember he intentionally told Regula 1 that Kirk gave the orders, knowing Marcus would contact Kirk directly and he would race out if he still had a spaceship...so goes to show the movie was well written.
See, I always thought the "wee bout of shore leave" was Scotty being ridiculously hung over.
Thanks for ruining my childhood for me CinemaSins!
Could be either, could be both.
I love the STD reference! That's why he needed a doctor! Before, I just thought McCoy got crazy on shore leave.
Isn't the "kid" Scotty is crying over his nephew? His mourning seems perfectly justified (though you could argue it's still in appropriate given the severity of their situation).
It's the Director's cute that you find out this relationship, they're not sinning that version.
@@Igorcastrochucre Ahh I didn't know that. It's been a long time since I've seen the full movie, I thought it was established that it was his nephew, hence why I was confused at the sin (though even if it was established he probably still would have sinned it).
56 It was shown earlier that Spock, a captain, did not know what Genesis even was. So it can be assumed that the captain of Reliant didn't know either. Kirk was the only member of Starfleet on either ship that had access to Genesis information, so NO, Khan could not have gotten the Genesis information off the Reliant's computer. Chekov and the Captain had limited information about the project, which is how Khan knew about it. However, he wanted every piece of information and the only person on either ship that had that access was Kirk.
First Emperors New Groove, then Wrath of Khan? You’re pushing it!!
This film stands firm in the top 10 movies of all time.
01:30 do you know what a revolver is? Those are flintlock pistols.
Umm.. someone.. you know what.. you do you boo boo
...How did you NOT sin the bloodstain on Kirk's uniform moving between scenes?
The reason they were able to fire a few phaser shots at the Reliant after it's shields dropped, despite having main and aux power offline, is because they still had the reserve (battery) power. This is established a few minutes earlier when Kirk asks Scotty what's left and Scotty tells him "just the batteries" and that they would only be good for a few phaser shots. Of course this is also after the first movie established phasers don't work with warp power offline so enterprise shouldn't have been able to get ANY shots off, especially as this movie instantly reiterated it by the damage to Reliant's warp drive disabling their phasers :P
he was scotts nephew
"We're the only ship in the quadrant." If I'm not mistaken, even by the time period that Voyager is set in it requires decades to travel to other quadrants. Did every other ship in Starfleet suddenly get sucked into other quadrants through black holes? I want to see that movie!
TOS 23rd century lingo reverses the terms 'quadrant' and 'sector'. There were 4 quad-rants in every sector of space. Bread and Circuses mentions this.
Also.... It's star trek and there is NO continuity with this stuff.
Not even a bit
Just look up different galaxy barrier nonsense.
It's not important to try and rationalise all the total failures of continuity. Instead accept they are part of star trek and enjoy it anyway.
@@lisamurphy7028 so why does the enterprise leave the galaxy as a matter of course at the start of TOS. Yet starfleet still can't do this when discovery has to reach out to the 10C.
You can try an rationalise this stuff. But the more you try the more silly it gets.
It's much better to just accept that star trek doesn't have a consistent cannon and it doesn't really try. It's a product of entertainment and that it's entertaining is enough to allow us to enjoy it
If I remember rightly, the four quadrants meet relatively close to where all the stuff happens?
The Reliant was looking for a barren planet to use the Genesis project on. However after Khan sets it off, it makes a planet on it own.
And just happens to have a sun at the right distance. Amazing that.
The "Kid" Scotty carried to the bridge was his nephew, thats why he was so upset, minus 1 sin for not watching the extended edition of the movie or doing a simple google search.
Can't wait for the rest of the Star Trek movies from you guys!
This movie is not only the best Star Trek movie of all time, it is one of the best sci-fi movies... imho 😉
I love watching your channel, so I can say I have seen A LOT of movies that I have actualy seen 16 minutes of, so thanks!
I hate copyright claims on good videos
Skidd2 don't we all.
8:10 They did the damage with a single phaser shot, from the batteries, as Scottie explained earlier, when he said he could give Kirk "a few shots", which, as Spock explained, would not be enough against Reliant's shields, hence the need to use the prefix code, to lower Reliant's shields.
The Kahn doesn't think in 3D always bothered me. Enterprise drops down, then comes back up to curve in directly behind the Reliant vs flying "up" and shooting at it from underneath. Also, especially without weapons lock, Reliant is a much bigger target from top or bottom, so logically, that is the direction they should have attacked from.
Its definitely silly, but I think its a brilliant way to imply that experience is better than pure intelligence in a combat situation, and 3 dimensions is something the audience, especially kids, can grasp instead of something really technical. It's more of a metaphor for experience.
1 sin first making me think I didn't watch this before, we'll done sir well done!
It's pronounced George Ta-kay, not George Ta-kie. (Yes, I know I sound like Hermione.)
THANK YOU! glad someone else noticed that.
"Sauce for the Goose" is a metaphor that what seems like a mess can actually be used to enhance the dish.
or in other words; using roasting run off of the cooked bird to making gravy.
Actually the full phrase is "what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander". It means the same thing will have the same effect on different people. In this case Spock means that the nebula blocking Enterprise's shields and scanners is a good thing because it will have the same effect on Reliant. "The odds will be evened".
McCoy doesn't like taking the transporter. They were just being good friends by riding along with him.
Keep up the awesome uploads!
James Horner, the composer, is one of the guys "walking with purpose". 11:20 , guy in the middle of the screen facing the camera is Horner!
The music in _Krull_ sounds a lot like this movie's. Add a sin to that movie.
So when are you doing the other 9 movies? You know: 3-Nemesis and Galaxy Quest?
Mister is a proper way to address naval officers regardless of sex.
It can also be used on Marines which I did many times on officers that lost my respect.
This was before pronouns became a thing. Ugh. Just create a new one to replace he/she like zhe or ze and him/her like zher or zer and his/hers for zhers or zers pronounces like z in "azure".
Lol im always looking for those Galaxy Quest outtakes whenever you do a sci-fi movie! Love 'em!
I LOVE how they had two shots coming from Galaxy Quest at the end!!! Perfect!
Damnit. This is a reupload, meaning that you're not going through the other Star Trek movies.
Would you please do a video on “Meet Joe Black”?
Ahh, that Muppet show song in the outtakes was fantastic.
James Doohan, AKA Scotty, was actually a bomber pilot in WW2. He saw his fair share of kids dying for the powers that be.
Nope. He was infantry.
No, he was artillery, but he became a bomber pilot after he got wounded
Jeromy: "Is it that hard to find a lifeless rock in space [to use Genesis on]"
Also Jeromy: "Apparently Genesis will convert any planet to life no matter how far from its star it is."
Clearly they were looking for a lifeless planet that was in the habitable zone of a star with the right size and structure properties to sustain the life created by the Genesis device.
Jeromy un-sins an earlier sin cliché.
"Is it that hard to find a lifeless rock in space [to use Genesis on]"
It is, when there "can't be so much as microbe".
Dr. Marcus needed a lifeless planet so as not to violate ethical protocols. If the planet needed to be in the right habitable zone (as you suggest) then it wouldn't have worked on a trial basis in the lifeless underground of the small moon.
Genesis is beyond their tech level and shouldn't have been in the movie.
@@sandal_thong8631 Faster than light travel is beyond our current technology- your point?
10:11 and thus an overused meme was born
Like I said last time this was uploaded, please do all the Star Treks!
The audio outtakes are just so fantastic. I mean, woah... deja vu!
No. There is NOTHING wrong with this movie. It is absolutely PERFECT. Why else would everyone copy it?!
Lack of imagination in Hollyweird?
By "Everyone Else" you mean Stuart Baird and JJ Abrams, right?
"Um... what? What word?"
Bird. Bird is the word.
It's a callback to an exchange between Scotty & Kirk in the first movie. The "word" is to get underway.
@@Caseytify The other fellow was referring to Larry Bird. You're probably not from Boston or too young. In either case, you missed seeing one of the very, very best of all time.
When Montalban passed away everyone was quoting his words in this movie shows you what kind of actor he was in this movie the best villain ever and the best Star Trek movie ever thank you
The photon torpedo shot? Nobody's actually seeing a photon torpedo until this movie sorry got to catch up Jeremy
I remember reading somewhere that the writers of Star Trek were told to not so much worry about the science of things, and instead just focus on the writing, which at least explains many of the inconsistencies in the science, albeit not so much in the plot logic.