STEINBERGER GEARLESS TUNERS - Why Aren’t These Everywhere??
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.ค. 2024
- FORGET EVERYTHING YOU KNEW ABOUT TUNERS.
Here is an in depth look at my new Steinberger GEARLESS Tuners that I added to the EPIC-phone (Epiphone Les Paul Traditional Pro 3) when I upgraded it. These are easily some of the most interesting tuners I’ve ever seen, and they take some getting used to. Watch to see how I’ve been getting on the last couple months with them, and see how to change strings with these wacky tuners! - เพลง
I have these tuners on a couple of Epi Firebirds. I tune them every 3 or 4 years.... whether they need it or not. They have to be the BEST, most stable tuners ever created. 40 to one ratio, More precise than some people can even hear.
You only tune it every 3 to 4 years? Man how often do you change strings?
@@bradleythompson5737not that I'm the CEO of comedy here, but i think it was a joke
I love these tuners I have a Gibson future. they keep tuning better than other tuners, and its so easy to tune and d tune fast. I have put them on a few other guitars I own. it looks really good on a dean ml
I removed them from my future Les Paul. No issues with standard tuners whatsoever.
People should know you need to drill a hole at the front of the headstock to fit them. Usually these pins are at the back with normal tuners.
I hand built a Jackson Kelly-like guitar back in 2009 and this was my tuning choice. The best decision ever along with the Tom Anderson pickups and Schaller Floyd Rose. No need for the locking nut. At 40:1 tuning ratio they are more accurate than the fine tuners.on the Floyd.
Very interesting re: advantages over FR fine tuners!
Cheers
Love the Spectrum shirt I probably caught every big concert from 75 to 83 not to mention flyers and sixers my son's hockey league had a a little between period thing at a phantoms game, afterwards everyone got to skate Ijust sat in the penalty box thinking about Schultz , Kelly, Dupont ,and the other Cup Flyers ..Anywho just ordered a set for my Gibson Firebird ,great presentation ,wish me luck !
THANK YOU FOR THE GUIDE !!!
Quick observation. Having owned a few Steinberger GS guitars, I can say these tuners work as advertised albeit they can can get a bit stubborn if you're using a .009. For some reason, they prefer a .010 on that high E. All of mine had clamping issues with the human hair .009'ers. LOL That's just a bit of info for those who might be considering these on guitars where you normally play .009-042. If you're willing to go .010 on the E, you should get consistent clamping.
Great information! Never tried .09s but I know a lot of benders like them.
I know some tricks to try for that clamping issue. If my "tricks" work, I'll report them here.
I had the same issue, so I run the string through, wrap it back around and run it through a second time, simple fix :-)
@@wadepatton2433 did you find out??
@@DeeKeyLP Hey I've not gotten to try a set yet, but my ideas on clamping .009" strings are to double the end over, or to use a single wrap and back through. If you only have to wrap one string, they're still a pretty good deal. Thanks for the reminder.
I love my self trimming locking tuners, these are cool though. They used them on the Roswell Rhoads V guitar. I like how the bookend headstock looks with these, nice mod.
Actually the tuners on the Roswell Rhoads were LSR tuners, which also were 40:1 ratio tuners. These tuners were specifically created by Ned for the Steinberger GS model, his only headstock 'Berger.
Wow, how tricky! Magic for sure!
Hey, what is the brand of the tuner that's clipped on the end of the headstock? That thing's amazing too!
I put steinbergs on a late 80s mex made strat way back then. still have it. i can dive bomb with the whammy and it always stays in tune, along with a graphite nut and graphite saddles.
I bought a future tribute. I have then started to put these tuners on everything I own. I have a guitar in B with 13-60 gauge strings. works great still smooth. I have one in E with 10-46 gauge . feels the same tuning both I have plans to do at least one more guitar this year. I have a few deans with the V headstock, these tuners make the guitar look better in my opinion.
Those look great, but as far as possibly the fastest tuners I've ever used for string changing, I'll go with the Planet Waves Auto Trim tuners....super smooth, they cut the string flush with a single turn as you're tuning up.....and they work fabulous & stay in tune really well. But these do look cool.
I love those. Installed them on some of my guitars, but don’t like the looks of them too much. That’s why I stick to Gotoh locking tuners most of the time. But the Planet Waves Auto-Trim are still the best, function-wise.
do they make these for bass?
Are they too deep for a guitar to fit nicely in a gig bag, rather than in a case, which would have more clearance, front and back?
They’d have more clearance I think. Or no less than regular tuners. The back parts don’t come out much further than the backs of geared tuners.
Do these work for 7 string guitars?
Oh man, I wish there is something like this for bass.
Good point! I think the problem is that they’re so wacky looking and different that people immediately turn off from them. But they are a better tuner in every way. And the worst part is I don’t think they’re making them anymore. So if you have any guitars that you wanna upgrade you should order them now
I forgot the point I wanted to make LOL. I was going to say that they’re so wacky looking and they were unpopular, so I think they didn’t really expand it to include bass.
@@TheGuitarHistorian Yeah I totally get it. You can still buy them from stew mac. I am thinking to put on g string on a bass. I always hated how 5 string bass have that 4+1. It will be a fun experiment if I decide to do it.
The problem is that the approach of clamping a string down with a bolt doesn't work well with really thick strings. It has to actually bend the string into a V as it pulls the string down into the hole so the string has to be quite flexible. There is probably a way to make it work but it would have to be specifically engineered for bass, maybe to feed the bass string down and pinch the string from both sides instead of pushing down onto the side of the string. Definitely an opportunity for some entrepreneurial individual to try to make.
Thank you for this video! Do you know where to buy these? I'm having trouble finding them online.
I bought some months back from a seller on amazon.
Steinberger Gearless Tuner Set (Gold) www.amazon.com/dp/B07SS66C31/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_HTQwFb6ADB1MW
Seems they only have gold in stock. And I don’t think they’re making any more so once they’re gone, they’re gone forever
@@TheGuitarHistorian ha! I just found these, too. Thank you for looking for me! It seems they weren't there when I searched earlier this week.
Literally easy to find and buy if you know how to Google search...got mine from stewmac.com and they perfect for a Firebird VIII
Hi - strange question but do you think these could be installed upside down, so that the tuning knob is on the other side?
No because the strings load at the top
These tuners are very nice indeed... one problem is their price! $100/set is prohibitive for most casual players. Building a 24-string lyre and these would have been great on it, but the cost of the tuners is not affordable by the project.
I have a question: i'm going to buy these tuners for my Epiphone Firebird, and the seller took the tuners from his Gibson Les Paul Future(a 3 + 3 tuners format) and i want to know if the tuners can work fine on my Firebird(6 in line tuners format)
They should! They have a very small footprint. They don’t have that bulky back to them then look like chess pieces ♟ kind of go straight through. They should work with any guitar.
YES! My Epiphone Firebird Studios came with Steinberger 40 to 1 tuners. They eventually put the on Gibson Firebird Studios instead of the MUCH cheaper ones they originally used.
Those are really clever!
Say, what do you use to trim your toenails?
I use a rock!
The aesthetics of it does not appeal to me, but it is a good concept.
Banjo style tuners are so much more convenient. All arguments go away after a few hours of playing, especially on 3x3 headstocks.
I just saw these on the new Ernie Ball/Tosin Abasi collaboration, and I’m flabbergasted. So, when you tune up, the peg doesn’t turn at all? It just pulls the peg in, causing the string to shorten and go up in pitch? That’s an absolutely wild idea, and a real EUREKA moment by the inventor.
It's essentially how headless guitar bridge tuners work. On those, the ball end catches onto a bolt, and the knurled screw pulls that bolt back as you tighten it down, which pulls it up to pitch.
I'm here today because these came on a 2008 Holy V I bought and I wanted to see if I did the procedure correctly for restringing my Ax. the strings on the guitar had issue when I got it they were 12's and pulling out of a few of the tuners. I put my 9's on it and after getting the strings locked as tight as I could used a small wrench to nudge it a little tighter. like a stronger hand would, not much. Just to secure them . Works great I like em.
Are these still being made? Where are they made?
I got mine off of Amazon. It did seem like the seller was liquidating what he had so I haven’t been able to find them for sale again
@@TheGuitarHistorian Where were they made?
I'm not saying that they're not cool or that they don't work great, but I don't see the advantage over something like fenders locking tuners with the same screw lock mechanism but on the back and then you just wind it a bit. like it really doesn't seem that much faster to me?
another aspect of it is probably that i think it looks weird on such an old school guitar type guitar. maybe on one of those funky Yamaha guitars or ibanezs.
but yeah they do seem to do the job they're supposed to! fast and easy i guess
thank you for the demo tho! i was looking at some firebirds on reverb and noticed that they all had these tuners and i wanted to see what they were all about 🙏
They do look weird! I think that’s the main reason why they didn’t take off. I just wanted something to make the guitar stand out.
They have a crazy high gear ratio of 40:1 though. They're the most precise tuners money can buy.
@@TheNocturnalEvil the 40:1 ratio they advertise doesn't actually make any sense, though. Normal tuners have the ratio to indicate, well, the gear ratio of the gearing system. An ratio of, for example, 15:1 means that you have to rotate the input 15 times in order for the output to rotate 1 time. Normal tuners use a worm drive to do this, it's a fairly common gearing system, able to achieve extremely high gearing ratios compared to most other gearing systems, and also incredibly easy to manufacture and/or compact to any other gearing system capable of the same ratios. In this Steinberger system, there are no gears, it's just a screw. There is no gear ratio, so it is unclear what their ratio of 40:1 even means. I'll try my best to come up with an explanation, though.
These Steinberger tuners do not wrap a string around a peg in order to pull on the string, as a normal tuner would do. These tuners effectively use linear translation to pull the string instead. So if I wanted to calculate an "effective" gearing ratio of these tuners compared to a standard tuner, what I would do is calculate how much string length gets pulled per rotation of this tuner as compared to how much string length gets pulled per rotation of a normal tuner, then figure out with this relation what the equivalent gearing ratio of a normal tuner would have to be in order for a typical tuner to pull the same amount of string per turn as the Steinberger tuner.
At this point it is critical that we know how many threads per inch (TPI) are in the Steinberger screw, and I can't find this information from any official documentation that I'm aware of. But from a blog called "mgr-design" I was able to find that they assumed the threads to be M3 threads, which means there are approximately 50 TPI in this screw. Actually, if you want to see another person also explain the 40:1 ratio, check that blog. I am going to do my own math and then compare results with that blog. But the point here is that at 50 TPI, we know that one rotation of the tuner will pull the string by 1/50th of an inch, or 0.02 inches.
Now we need to know another piece of information, which is the diameter of the post on a normal tuner. Keeping with the imperial system here, it's about 0.24 inches. That means one rotation of the post will pull 0.742 inches of string. In reality, it is worth noting that this calculation I just did is actually inaccurate. You need to take into consideration the diameter of the string, for regular slinky's it would be from 0.01 to 0.046 inches in diameter for the strings, bringing the amount of string pulled per rotation to be from 0.774 inches per rotation for the thinnest string up to 0.887 inches per rotation for the thickest string.
Now we just look at the numbers we've got, the Steinberger tuners pull 0.02 inches per rotation, and a standard tuning peg would pull from 0.774 to 0.887 inches of string per rotation. With some division, we can approximate an equivalent tuning ratio for the Steinberger tuners as being between 39:1 and 44:1. Which means that I would personally say that Steinberger's claim is completely valid, though is technically meaningless without a bit more explanation. And my findings here are similar to the "mgr-design" blog I mentioned earlier.
So all this just to say... Yeah, I guess we can just say it's 40:1.
@@MattMcConaha Yeah, that's what I was thinking. But no one has answered this question: How long does the weirdness last from turning top and bottom (left and right) tuners the same direction?
@@wadepatton2433 As for that question, classical guitar tuners (and other slotted tuners in general) actually already work that way, you rotate all of them the same way regardless of which side of the headstock the tuner is on. I have a 4+2 guitar where opposite side tuners are rotated the opposite way and I also have a 3+3 slot head guitar where all of the tuners rotate the same way.
I personally think that ergonomically this is exactly the way that both systems should operate. Basically, wherever the tuner is placed, when I grip the tuner naturally in any of these orientations, I'm always rotating my wrist the same way (my pointer finger wraps around the key and I rotate in the direction my finger is pointing to make the note sharper.) So even though some keys seem backwards relative to others, in all cases I rotate them according to this same rule, follow the index finger to make it sharper.
I mean, all of the tuners are always rotated counterclockwise when looking down the shaft toward the gears to sharpen the note, so you could argue that none of them are backwards in any case. But I understand the idea that the three tuners on the other side of the headstock *feel* backwards because it feels like you're rotating the key toward the body instead of away.
These seem ok, but I have never seen them, ever. To each their own I guess.
Vintage split post tuners are better IMO, seem quicker than these especially with a string winder and the sharp end is tucked away
Are those what came on the fender jazzmasters in the 70s
I have em in my telecaster jazzmaster hybrid guitar👍
But ive never known what to call them so thank you for advancing my vocabulary of terminology
You're RIGHT!
Them things sure are ugly!!!
I can see where they would come in extremely handy on a gigging guitar though.
Ugly? I’d have to disagree. I’ve always been fascinated by minimalist, utilitarian design. They’re different, for sure, but considering their ease of operation they should have caught on more. I also like how the black metal kind of disappears into the headstock. Makes it look like the guitar doesn’t have tuners.
@@TheGuitarHistorianPersonally I've always liked the looks of the Kluson Keystone style tuners on the old Les Pauls.
I've always been more of a traditionalist anyway.
I think they look hokey and just don't see where they are any better than any other decent locking tuner.
That is a good system and you could do a set in 6 minutes-easily.
It's a bit slow and ungainly. I have locking tuners on all of my guitars, which are smaller, one knob to lock the string and about a quarter turn to tune. Much faster!
TBH I got fender locking tuners for my Strat about a year after these… and they’re better 😂
@@TheGuitarHistorian Besides you can use a string winder if required?
0:23 talks about steinberger, but shows a very lame chinese knockoff ;)
OK, Do U Feel Better Now?? Now that U have Scolded Me??? From One Professional to Another, Check & Review your Vlogs Before U send them out. I'm Certain U would have rectified your mistake. 'Bully'???, Na, I wasn't Harsh Enough to be Tagged as a Bully. Perhaps Funny??? As Both Names have a 'Ring' to them. How About This: I Apologize. I apologize for bringing the obvious to your attention, and for being a mini-bully.🤔👍
Dick
@@jaaxxone How about 'RICHARD'. 🥴
This looks like the worst of both worlds of locking and standard tuning pegs. It also seems to be a bit of a detriment that you have to be so gentle with them.
They're like Modernized Friction Pegs, nobody uses them anybore cause Geared Tuners & a String winder are far more superior.
I don’t know what those are, but take literally a quarter of the time to do a string change and hold tune better than any other tuner I’ve ever used. They are better than any geared tuner I’ve seen. They just look funky. And that’s why they failed.
@@TheGuitarHistorian A String Winder & Geared Tuning machine actually takes an eighth (or maybe a 16th etc) of the time to do it so it's even faster.
@@TheGuitarHistorian Geared tuners hold up even better due to updates.
Ya Sure, it's a Great Product. But 'You, Doofus' are Showing the re-string job From 'Your Side' Not the Camera's Side. Plus the camera lens is Not Aimed on the Spot you are Fumbling With. (Try doing it from the side of the Viewer) 'JERKINHEIMER' With Steinberger', What a Joke---!!!
You know, it IS possible to give constructive criticism WITHOUT resorting to name calling. In fact, it’s usually more well received that way. Imagine your boss talked to you that way. Or you talked to an employee that way. How would that come across? Unfortunately, it’s a fair point but all people are going to see is that fact that you’re a bully. Oh, well.