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I bought them after a lot of back and forth; they are fantastic. I will replace all of my guitars as I go. They are soooooooo accurate and solid. I've never seen a strobe tuner find perfect stability but with these you can creep right up to it. Just fantastic. Do it.
Great review. This is the kind of thing more guitar brands could pay attention to when trying to market their guitars as something better. Change something that actually makes a noticeable difference.
I love these tuners. No drilling. No damage to vintage instruments. At anytime, you can take them off and put the originals back on and nobody will ever know or care.
The ratio tuners make sense and the plates are a great idea to avoid drilling holes.
Man, Phil. Thanks again! i'm in the market for new tuners on more than one guitar. I want staggered post on one but not necessarily the other, but locking nun the less . i didn't even know these existed until now. and thanks to your so humble , honest and unbiased review , Graph tech will be getting even more money from me. they really are a good company in my opinion as is Hipshot which will be my other supplier. You have a very informative and enjoyable web site! keep it coming. came on board around 68k. once again....KUDOS!
Really like these. They fitted my G&L ASAT Carved Top without any plates. They are numbered as well so that helps a lot with installation.
I just bought these a a direct drop on replacement for a new Charvel San Dimas. Thanks, Philip!
You missed one of the most cool things about them. You gat an equal amount of pitch change for an equal amount of input. About a half step per half turn on every string. No more cranking & cranking on the high E & overshooting the low E with the slightest turn.
Do you have experience with these tuners? The concept is great, I'm just wondering how accurately it works depending on the string gauge. Their marketing pitch itself says that the ratios are adjusted for the string gauges after all, so 9-42 might behave a bit differently to a 10-46, to an 11-49, to a 10-52, etc.
@@jubuttib Yea thanks for making this comment as I play thomastik-infeld ac113 low tension silk core .013-.061 gauge on all my acoustics and believe these would not be a viable option for me as I use alternate tunings that are not 432hz or 528hz but is a lower frequency than standard 440hz norms.
@@jubuttib There are Electric Sets w/ a Wound G.
Geared Tuners have gone under many refinements.
@@jubuttib
I just saw this, but they are geared based on string core diameters, which don't vary as much as the wound dimensions. In any case, you still have more accuracy on the bass side and don't have to wind so much on the treble side.
Installed a set of these on my Fender Pro Strat. Such a huge difference that I will never use anything else, on any guitar, ever!
Can even go to the length to claim that my guitar do not deserve its "Pro" designation without these on.
My Gibson will be getting a set of these, thanks Phillip.
I'm sold ! Thanks for the video ! Great info !
I was planning to get 2 sets of these. Thanks for informative video.
These really did upgrade my G&L tele. I really love this product.
did you have to drill holes or use the mounting plates on the g & l?
I freakin love these tuners. I have them on almost all my guitars. I have literally bought a dozen sets or so. And it’s the ratios that makes them special. Being able to fine tune that g string is awesome.
And on a side note. I just bought a Peterson stroboclip tuner. They’re a match made in heaven. So easy to get my guitars dead on in tune.
Ordered couple days ago. Waiting with so excitement
@@volodymyrvarkholiak9562 Hey how were they??
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Feels nice. Quick tuning. Easy install. Locking mechanism works great as well.
But actually - I cannot say that these are the best in the world. Depends on personal experience, needs and preferences.
BUT!
Would I recommend to try at least one set? Definitely yes.
I've had a set of these on my ibanez fireman for about 4 years, they work so well, a big improvement.
Did you have to use the Fender plates?
Just ordered the 4 by 3 set for my 7 string les Paul. Can’t wait!
this got my attention, not gonna test these out. good to know if i ever do need em
Thanks for the heads up on my project guitar and other guitars I own!
I installed a set on my Gretsch 5420. The holes must be enlarged, and you will have to drill new holes for the mounting plates. Well worth the effort.
Nice. I need one of those right now.
I own at least 5 guitars with these keys and they are AWESOME.... Highly recommend them... Tuning is much easier because when I am 4 cents low, every string needs about the same amount of turn on the tuning key... Did I say AWESOME ... Only problem was the tuning paltes sent by them for doing a Pawn Shop 72 Special from Fender the plates did not line up. All the rest of the guitars worked perfectly. I only buy the locking tuner keys
Phillip you have to try the SG 38’s from warmoth they are awesome I have them on 6 guitars and I’ve had no problems with them Gotoh makes them they’ve never let me down I also want to try these since I just found this video thank you for the Great product review
Wow just changed my mates Tele with Grover mini locking tuners, I wish I had seen this one week ago.
Would be a great addition to a 12 string, but also a big investment for two sets on one guitar! Especially handy when you drop D both the low E strings, you would have a consistent turn for both when going down to D and back up to E.
Love the Gator Grip socket idea.
I like the close up videos!
Cool! Great video, thanks!
If you're working on an Electric Guitar set that has a Wound G I'd use a 20:1 Tuner. The advantage of a Wound G String is that the tension is a little bit less.
great job , good demo thanks
Ratio tuners are great tuners. Graph tech everything for your guitar is a must amazing stuff. I use these on my guitars
Thank you man...
You are halping me a lot
I have this Lyon brand Strat-like guitar I bought at a pawn shop for $60. I ended up getting a Warmoth pickguard for it that I custom ordered because I only wanted one angled humbucker for the bridge. I then got a Seymour Duncan Invader to install....it became a favorite guitar. Perfect for Pop-Punk tunes. For years I have struggled to find quality tuners for this instrument because the "economic" diagonal tuners were all that would fit. I was always intrigued by these Ratio tuners, now seeing that they offer the adapter that fits this cheap config is what sold me. In the past, I considered replacing the neck just to have better tuners, but the neck is one of the huge reasons I love this pawn shop treasure....I know that eventually I would have plugged the old screw holes and got good tuners....but now I don't need to. This is awesome!
That wrench is phenomenal!
Genius. Wish I had thought of it.
Genius idea.
Are there bushings for posts so that MIJ 9mm holes do not need drilling? Any idea how well these would work for 1985 MIJ squire strats and teles?
Which did you like better? the ones from NAMM or these? ( the staggered pole ones with the linked multi plate ) ? i'd love to get locking tuners on my 4 that I leave out. also Bass too?
these are my favorite tuners as well
You used to use Hipshots a lot, now I see you've been posting a lot with these Ratio tuners. Used them a lot in the "Sharpen My Axe" series. Which do you really prefer? Been looking at upgrading tuners on a few guitars I have, and going back and forth between these two brands.
I would love to know if these are a drop in replacement for my 2016 Charvel Pro Mod San Dimas. It’s tuners have the 2 prongs but Fender locking tuners won’t fit & neither will any other locking tuner that I’ve come across.
I may just put Planet Waves auto trim locking tuners on it, bite the bullet & drill the holes!
I'm not sure that you will see this on a year old video, but my question is for a Squire Affinity Strat, should you use the mini, the regular or the staggered post height model of tuners? The company only offers one 3x3 size, but for 6 in line there is 3 options. Thanks for your help, I love watching your videos.
I bought a Tele with the standard rectangular box tuners with a screw on each side, all in line for all six strings. It drives me insane. I have to tune it after every song or exercise. I spend 30% of my play time tuning especially 2, 3, and 4, and 1 about half the time. I bend a lot and I know locking tuners aren't going to help me if they don't have a high ratio. All I can do now is put twice as many peg rounds/winds on the next string set. Is this still best thing? Do they lock as well?
I've been wanting a set of these for a while. The thing that keeps me away is that a lot of the bad reviews come from the fact that the lowest key has such a high gear ratio, thus the teeth are so small that they strip under tension. I wonder how the guarantee policy is on these...
Those were actually a pretty old model, we have since replaced the high ratio gears with hardened steel to avoid exactly this.
quick question Phil, have you ever played a Cort KX-5 Guitar?
I"d like to install on my Gibson LP Special (don't like the G force), I'll probably need to drill holes, so no need to use a plate?
On Thursday I'm getting an Ibanez GRG121DX in the Walnut finish, I got a set of these in advance to put on that guitar, and I'm going to put in some EMGs for something different than passives. It's a 300 Canadian dollar guitar, and with those upgrades, it's going to cost me about an extra 400 Canadian dollars, and I feel it'll be able to hold it's own against most 800-1000 Canadian dollar guitars.
Hi Phil, I have a set of graph tech locking tuners I want to put on a PRS CE24 and there are no plates on the guitar with the standard tuners that came with the guitar. The heads appear to mount directly through the holes in the head stock wood. How would you suggest I mount these?
If I have a right handed strat guitar do I use 6 R tuners? Even thought the tuners are on the left of the head stock.
Found this looking for your Graphtech Tusq nut video and can't find it. Is it under a different title?
Thank You
Do they have a model that’d fit guitars with the vintage/slotted style tuning keys?
Do you know the tuner hole size that’s needed? I’m going to order a neck and I need to decide on which size holes
Hi, any thoughts on these ratios versus the hipshot locking tuners?
So, these machine heads will fit both acoustic or electric, without ordering specific kits? That's kinda what the paperwork looked like it was showing. I appreciate your input Phillip
What about bushing diameter? I appreciate the flexible mounting system, but doesn't the bushing causing a bunch of tuning problems if it is the wrong diameter (i.e. too small)?
Sorry to critique, but... The main advantage would be tuning stability? Does it make tuning more stable? Especially for drop tunings? Or no? What about extreme drop tunings? Simple tuning accuracy saves a little time, but that's a tiny benefit in comparison to something like tuning stability.
Hi! Do you know are the locking tuners (6 or 7) staggered?
If you're using these to replace a minetune system would you still have to bore out the headstock?
Tengo una squier mini jazzmaster con tuners mini, estos ratio serán compatibles sin necesidad de plantilla?
Can you buy a set where the plates are the same color as the tuners (ie both chrome)? Its a bummer to spend that much on tuners and then have all aluminum plate options that don’t match....
On my shopping list
Do these cut off the string like Planet Waves? Thx
Are those base plates included? I have those tuning keys that has a 45 degree screw hole
Yes the plates come with the tuners.
Point of Ratio = precise tuning - I have Economy Strat Tuners - Tune down / tune up to pitch - lots of play - if these are spot on - they are worth extra
How do they do on a guitar with a bigsby as far as tuning stability
Got 2 sets of these....one for my 2021 les paul classic, the Grover tuners that come on it were complete garbage...good thing I didn't pay 2 grand from sweetwater...you'd think a guitar costing 2 g would have top shelf tuners
Phillip, so which are better, these Graphtech or the Hipshot Tuner Upgrade Kit ?
I'm looking to install on an Epiphone Les Paul Traditional Pro and an Epi LP Special P90.
Hipshot are a lot cheaper. Also no drilling involved because of UMP plates. Also, they are locking tuners too. They are excellent at keeping guitar in tune. My guess is that if GT Ratio are better its by a tiny amount or uunnoticeable. I use Hipshots on both my Les PAul and Strat. Love them
My Les Paul is Epiphone too. Les Paul Standard Plus Pro Top. I changed the stock Grovers because they were 14:1 and Hipshot are 18:1 and locking which helps with changing strings
I have a Mexican Stratocaster with in-line vintage tuners. I don't see a conversion plate for those. I wonder if the Gibson Kluson plate would work for my Strat?
We're currently working on a plate specifically for those ones, but some people have had success milling the Kluson plates you mentioned to make them work
Thank you for the reply. I'll wait for your lab to finish the plates for my strat. I'll check your web site for a mailing list sign up.
Seems good. What is the maximum string guage they will accept?
The largest our locking tuners will take is a .74
Phil man HELP!! I need the small 2 pin staggered( locking would be a plus but not. Important. Its going on a schector strat neck that been refretted and tryin not to drill on it. Schector said they used ping. Ive ordered 3 times and have 3 sets of fender 2 pin locking but each time they got me with the too big 2 pin type. What size are the small 2 pin type I need to order????????? I need staggered
I guess you don't really look on the back of the guitar much, but it seems that the machined aluminum that matches any hole stands out as unpolished against the actual tuning key. The Fender ones that you had to buy separate looked nice though. I think that'd be a deal breaker for me if I was adding these to a nice guitar. Let me know if that sounds crazy.
you can buy all of those plates seperate in any color ;-)
Are gotoh 510 wtih gear ratio1: 21 better than this one for acoustic?
Phil! Please do a video how to get cigarette smell out of a used guitar case or electric & acoustic guitar. I just bought a great used Martin guitar but it smells like smoke.
I believe Hosa make a case freshener spray. Or you could use a household freshener like Fabreeze. If it's proper minging use a household anti bacterial spray.
Nah don't spray anything put a pack of baking soda in the case
Do they come in a staggered set?
Anyone know if the 1 turn to 1 whole tone ratio only works with 10-46, or does it work with other gauges?
Do they come in staggered poles? Will they fit Indonesia G & L ASAT models?
Yea, the PRL-9721-C0 are our staggered version! And the tuners on your G&L should actually have the same mounting pins as ours, so direct drop in!
would this work with a ibanez???
By the way... have you seen "Uncle Doug's" TH-cam channel about old tube amp repair? he's VERY talented.
If i want to replace the tuning keys on my prs se, does the backplate come with the keys or do i have to buy its seperately? thanks
You just need their 3 x 3 set. It has the plates.
Phillip McKnight Ah alright, thanks for the reply! Keep up the great videos
Dude, they're sweet! If only they made the 6L staggered in left handed. Nobody makes 6L left handed 2pin locking tuners. I know it's not a HUGE market, but there's a market that's not being serviced.
Michael Collings might have worked if that was how he learned but to go back might be overkill
How are these for a Gretch Hollow Body?
will these fit squier affinity series??
Is this okay for a tele (squier) ?
What about the post height? Looks like the break angle wouldn't be good for the higher strings.
We also have staggered post sets!
do they stay in tune better?
Yeah but new tuning keys are a sore spot for me. Because they don't sell them in packs of seven or eight
Also this guy is so underrated.
We don't have packaged sets, but we have done plenty of custom 7 and 8 string sets before. Just email us! Justin@graphtech.com
How are they holding up a year later?
Once all six are on do you notice a difference in the balance of the guitar?
Zelomeisterdude Nah
No, I was thinking they would be heavy, but They were the same as the original tuners.
Just bought the gator grip using the link you provided. And the gator grip is too small. It cant reach the nut to unscrew it. Just thought you might want to change the link so other people don't make the same mistake i did.
Just bought a set of these and don't have to tools to install them. What is the correct size I should be using to unscrew the nuts. I don't want to strip or damage these really expensive tuners.
@@DoNotLookDown Should have just used common sense
How much extra does the Fender Tele plates cost?
About $10.00 for 6 plates
1:47 Where do I order those plates for a Fender Stratocaster?
Right off the graph tech website, where you can order the tuners as well.
Why don't they include the fender plate??????
Do you have a new super sonic head phil?
Yes, I missed it. I should have never got rid of it.
I bought a set of these for my 04 Les Paul classic, the holes in the headstock are too small !!! damnit.
For $140 they better be precise! Can't see paying that kind of money for tuners myself.
I know huh? That's what I said before someone convinced me to try them. Now I have them on 2 guitars, soon to be 3 LOL
What's the purpose to have a higher ratio on the thicker strings than on the higher strings? Shouldn't it be the other way around. High notes are easier to detect as flat or sharp, so I don't see the point of it being as it is...
Go to 00:37 and pause, you can read the notes. It actually does make sense, the thicker have more tension in them so you need a finer touch to get it in tune, thus the higher gear ratio.
On traditional tuning keys with the same ratio across all 6 strings, the thicker strings will change pitch more quickly than the thinner strings for the same amount of turn you put in the key. The point of different gear ratios is that when you tune each and every string, the gear ratio balances out with the thickness of the string so that you turn the 'same amount' of turn on each string to achieve the 'same amount' of change in pitch of the note.
This makes tuning feel very natural across all 6 strings - it provides the same feel when you turn the key of each and every string. When Phil says that he 'goes past the note' and had to tune back when using the Fender original tuners, it is not really because the Fender tuners have play in them, but because on that low E string, a small turn of the original tuning key causes a big change in the note, hence it is easy to over-shoot.
With the higher ratio of the Ratio Tuner on that string to balance it out, you need to turn more to get up to the note, hence you feel that you have finer grained control over the tuning and can get up to pitch more easily without overshooting.
I have been using Ratio tuners on one of my guitar for years and love it.
The main point is now every sting reacts the same to any tuning adjustments, 1/2 turn = 1/2 tone!
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I assume that's at E standard. How does that hold up at, say, C standard?
It actually doesn't matter what tuning you're in, and they work the same for pretty much any string set. Since all the strings will work the same in relation to each other. So they're great for going in and out of different tunings.
Do the retrofit Squier 2 prongs directly?
Yup!
Thanks :-) !
In the 60s we upgraded to Grovers.
Are there bass versions?
Very soon!
Cool!
Graph Tech Guitar Labs Ibanez! :)
is it the template is already there when you buy it?
Yes, it all comes complete
There are a bunch of aluminum templates that come with their tuners. There also plated specific "Invisimatch" plates that you can order by guitar type, if you do not like the look of the brushed aluminum ones included for free.