GOTOH Locking Tuners for a Les Paul | Do they make a difference? | are they worth the effort?

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  • GOTOH locking tuners seem to be a good idea for my Tokais Les Paul as the strings go out of tune constantly. Find out if they fixed the problem?
    Contents
    00:00 Start
    00:19 Intro and Preamble
    01:49 Why GOTOH tuners?
    04:36 The current tuners
    06:11 How I got this guitar
    08:41 The GOTOH SG301-MG-T
    09:56 Changing the tuners
    11:30 The fitted tuner
    12:18 The fitted set
    12:55 Fitting notes
    The Tokais was out of control! No matter what I did this guitar had a big problem with going out of tune at the mere looking at it (or so it felt like that). So I decided to change the tuners for GOTOH locking tuners - and I bought them off eBay for about £100.00 or so.
    The Tokai Les Paul had many changes to it including the fitting of Fishman pickups and a Fishman battery which was great. But I had fitted some Gibson Studio tuners and nothing I did could stop the guitar going out of tune. So the time came for me to do this and solve the issue once and for all.
    I did not want tuners that needed to modify the guitar in any way, so eventually I settled on these SG301-MG-T LP set and they seem to do the job amicably.
    I did show also the Fishman Fluence pickups on the guitar and the Fishman Fluence Les Paul battery also.
    Along the way I tell you the issues that I had, so if you are looking for a run through of the problems I had then watch the video.
    This is NOT a sponsored video review in ANY way and what I show is factual to what happened when I changed out the tuners.
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  • @spicymeatballist
    @spicymeatballist 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I sure hope TM gets another 10 million views 🎉 Good on you as always, a lot of great content lately

    • @tonymckenziecom
      @tonymckenziecom  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for the kind words... very appreciated.

  • @user-wz3or1yl4e
    @user-wz3or1yl4e 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Another great video. Keep up the great work you are doing. Your knowledge and insight is fascinating. 👍

    • @tonymckenziecom
      @tonymckenziecom  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well thanks for watching.

  • @heavytrip7062
    @heavytrip7062 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you for this video. I installed this Tuners in my Ibanez Rga 121 Prestige and they work perfect.

    • @tonymckenziecom
      @tonymckenziecom  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Great to hear! and thanks for watching.

  • @ingolfurthorvaldsson7653
    @ingolfurthorvaldsson7653 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love this channel. Keep it up

    • @tonymckenziecom
      @tonymckenziecom  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad you enjoy it! and thanks for watching.

  • @ianwright7393
    @ianwright7393 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hi Tony. He probably wanted to sell it because it wouldn't stay in tune! A sensible man.

    • @tonymckenziecom
      @tonymckenziecom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      :) classic post! ... thanks

  • @BaronQ
    @BaronQ 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Hey Tony, if going out of tune sharp, something is catching, nut slot usually too narrow for string gauge (especially on a gibson where g and d catch due to angle so those two slots need a 15ish degree cut on the headstock side left for d; and right, g, to avoid the sticking). If going flat, strings are not stretched out enough. In my experience unless your tuners are totally crap and the LP studio kluson/gibbies on your Tokai are not, locking tuners add little to a hard tail guitar (if string travel is totally unimpeded). Lovely tuners though from Gotoh. Keep up the good work 😊

    • @tonymckenziecom
      @tonymckenziecom  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Great info. I had lubricaly on the nut, and the strings are 9/42 on that guitar. I'll certainly look further if it continues and thanks for all that info... god for many guys.

  • @rickycompton2610
    @rickycompton2610 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Well this was perfect timing I need to put a set of these on my 1994 Gibson Les Paul Standard I was looking at a set of Grover’s or some Sperzels but after seeing the fit and ease of installation I think the Gotoh tuner look right on that guitar. The buttons look like original Gibson tuners.

    • @tonymckenziecom
      @tonymckenziecom  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Agreed. Not sure how they will be for me, but worth a try and thanks for watching.

  • @allanmacuser
    @allanmacuser 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    hi Tony don't think l have seen that guitar before looks very nice allan the best

  • @AnimalJohn85
    @AnimalJohn85 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I stuck a set on my lp to replace the grover lockers, far better feeling tuners that can take a slightly thicker string :)
    Crackin vid sir :)

    • @tonymckenziecom
      @tonymckenziecom  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for the info... and for watching too.

  • @tomd8313
    @tomd8313 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Kluson Revolution Lockers are a direct replacement for that footprint, and they’re 21:1

    • @tonymckenziecom
      @tonymckenziecom  15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Thanks for the info... always good to get recommendations of the other stuff out there... and thanks for watching.

  • @Barbarapape
    @Barbarapape 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Ohh Mr Mckenzie what will i do, i need a new guitar so i had better go to Crewe.
    Crewe is just 30 miles from where i live in Chester.
    Tokai made some great guitars in Japan, my parents bought me one to learn on
    and i hated the natural finish, i wanted one in Fiesta Red! like a fool i part-ex it for
    an Ibanez that had a slim neck that suited me better.
    You can buy Kluson style locking tuners that don't leave unsightly holes.
    Locking tuners make string changes easier, but rarely cure tuning issues
    With a Les Paul style the angle of the strings in the nut doesn't help,
    a well cut self lubricating nut makes a bigger diffference.
    I hope they help Tony, but experience tells me they might not.

    • @tonymckenziecom
      @tonymckenziecom  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ha good to hear you and I sincerely hope you were not the guy who put it down at Crewe as I grabbed it :) At one stage I lived in BrynY-Baal if you know where that it :) but I'm back this side of the border since 1977. My Ibanez RG550LTD is wonderful! But... it's not an LP is it, they are just different. It might have been my half soaked string fitting causing the issues (I'm bone idle with those :) and the nut has lube on it, but we'll see. And I'll report back at some stage. Thanks for the tips...

  • @lukesteverything627
    @lukesteverything627 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks Tony, I was just about to order some and your thoughts and findings are very useful. As for the headrest Core you recently reviewed I'd love to see what you explore further. I've had mine for about a week now and I've tried electro acoustics through it as well. Have you?

    • @tonymckenziecom
      @tonymckenziecom  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I have not tried much right now as there are many reviews I'm working on and I have to come back 'later' so to speak... but I'll bear it in mind of course... and thanks for watching.

  • @danabnormal5892
    @danabnormal5892 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I put lightweight gotoh’s on my jazz bass because of the neck dive. Made a big difference

    • @tonymckenziecom
      @tonymckenziecom  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This one does not have the neck weight problem but it can be a pain on SG's for sure. Thanks for the info on the Jazz Bass and thanks for watching.

  • @jeremyjames8678
    @jeremyjames8678 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I have those on my SG, great tuners

    • @tonymckenziecom
      @tonymckenziecom  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks for letting me know. Hopefully good here - they look it... thanks

    • @jeremyjames8678
      @jeremyjames8678 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tonymckenziecom I chose them because of their light weight and quality. Light weight is good for SG's because of the neck-dive

  • @somebodyelseuk
    @somebodyelseuk 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Eh up Tone.
    Nice banjo. I have a (Japanese) LS150F - a '59-a-like. Great guitar. Mine still has the original tuners - Gotohs. No tuning issues, here. My gut feeling is your's might need the nut looking at, unless the tuners you took off were moving in their holes. In my experience, locking tuners don't fix tuning issues, but they do save time when changing strings - especially useful if you break strings when 'in battle'. You might find the extra weight on the head changes the guitar's tone, slightly too - bit like the old 'putting Grovers on in place of Klusons' in the old days.
    Great vid., by the way.
    Cheers.

    • @tonymckenziecom
      @tonymckenziecom  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for the info - probably my 'sloppy' wraps... but we shall see. I had the nut juice stuff on there... oh well :)... thanks for watching

  • @DocDisco241
    @DocDisco241 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I’ve found tuners make no difference in LP’s. The nut cut and nut lubricant matter a whole lot though. Always enjoy the content. Cheers.

    • @tonymckenziecom
      @tonymckenziecom  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nut did have lube on... but seemed to not solve it... maybe my crabby winding of strings! :) Thanks and glad you liked it...

  • @ianwright7393
    @ianwright7393 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hi Tony. It would seem logical to me that if you were going to replace tuners you would get a set which had the tuning peg holes at the same height from the base of the tuner.
    This would ensure that the break angle from the nut did not change.
    However manufacturers of replacement tuners do not seem to provide info about the height of the hole from the base of the tuner.
    This would seem to me to indicate that these manufacturers do not regard it as an issue.
    Also YT videos about swapping tuners don't seem to address this either, but to my thinking this would be critical.
    What are your thoughts?

    • @tonymckenziecom
      @tonymckenziecom  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I have tuners that are staggered on some guitars and tuners that are not on others. Logic suggests that the string being as straight as possible is what's needed, but I don't really have that much trouble with either. On this guitar it kept going out of tune (but I also had light strings and pressing too hard is sometimes my fault!). and since fitting these it certainly is better. Thanks for watching and the post...

  • @davescupper5789
    @davescupper5789 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My parents and family are from near crewe Tony. My Dad is from Audlem, my Mum from Aston near Nantwich.
    Are you from around there?
    The gold tulip tuners look great on that guitar.
    I like the bean tuners on some of my guitars, tactile i think the word is😊

    • @tonymckenziecom
      @tonymckenziecom  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Some where here but not quite that far. Hopefully these will help... we sall see... thanks.

  • @ianwright7393
    @ianwright7393 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hi Tony. Four months on is your guitar now holding its tune?

    • @tonymckenziecom
      @tonymckenziecom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ha well it does yes. One of the problems was (believe it or not) was that I had 8's strings on and over press them sometimes - and of course it throws the guitar out of tune. But the tuners really did help. I used nut lube too. Thanks for watching.

  • @chrisstevens4680
    @chrisstevens4680 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Did they do the job in the end or do the strings still get stuck in the
    nut like a lot of Les Paul’s?

    • @tonymckenziecom
      @tonymckenziecom  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Seem better all around, I also used that nut sauce too though... thanks for watching.

  • @stephenhaynes603
    @stephenhaynes603 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    mmmm...... lower post length - more friction at nut , no bending strings unless you slap some graphite oil on the nut.

    • @tonymckenziecom
      @tonymckenziecom  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I did put some on then moved to the tuners... seems better now though... Thanks.

    • @stephenhaynes603
      @stephenhaynes603 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tonymckenziecom I do like the idea of locking tuners. Have you seen the auto tune system on I think was epiphones or Gibson. Did that really work !!!! ?

  • @nicholasguitars5527
    @nicholasguitars5527 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    locking tuners add nothing tuning wise over a properly wound similar quality conventional tuner, they just speed up string changes...and add more weight to the headstock.

    • @tonymckenziecom
      @tonymckenziecom  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      We shall see... :) Thanks

    • @mkrj2576
      @mkrj2576 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That’s what I heard too. Would like to know for sure as I otherwise prefer non locking tuners. I’m tempted to buy some Gotoh tuners for a guitar of mine that has not so great tuners.

    • @nicholasguitars5527
      @nicholasguitars5527 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mkrj2576 30 years of building and playing guitars, never found a locking tuner that improved tuning stability over an equal quality regular tuner. You do know how to wrap a string properly though LOL.

  • @nicholasguitars5527
    @nicholasguitars5527 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Crewe...Rolls Royce/Bentley 🙂

    • @tonymckenziecom
      @tonymckenziecom  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      :) of course also! Thanks

  • @KudaBear-jy1zl
    @KudaBear-jy1zl 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    8 minutes before you got to the point.

    • @tonymckenziecom
      @tonymckenziecom  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It matters not. If you don't like this style of video review sorry I can't help. I always am verbose simply because I try and help others. Thanks.

    • @KudaBear-jy1zl
      @KudaBear-jy1zl 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It actually does matter, but OK. @@tonymckenziecom

  • @rickbloudoff5121
    @rickbloudoff5121 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Gotoh locking tuners with a string butler and graphite powder in nut slots for the win you welcome

    • @tonymckenziecom
      @tonymckenziecom  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They did help... thanks fr watching.