Whats INSIDE!? Elac Debut Reference DFR52 Floorstanding Audiophile Loudspeaker!
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- Whats inside the Elac Debut Reference Floorstand Audiophile Loudspeaker!
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Thanks for the Shout Out Ron 😆 😆
Nice indepth look ! , its great to see Engeeners paying attention to detail
Tee-Jay The Stereo-Bargain-File teejay im a new sub to your channel and I love it keep it up💪🏾💪🏾
@@quintonford4594 Thank you Quinton 😆
Never heard of ya Tee-Jay, glancing at your videos though, I am very glad Ron did a shout out. You appear to have a lot of promising videos. Keep it up!
@@dragosthule Thanks Joshua , I have only been reviewing audio for about a year , but been an audiophile for 33 years , 😆
Thanks for the tear down - great job! Can’t wait to hear your review of how they sound! Would love a comparison with other similarly priced speakers
I love these tear down videos, pls keeep them coming. It‘s something no one else is doing here on YT
Very nice, thank you!
It saves me a tear- down of my Debut reference speakers!
Tip: leave the tweeter grills off; these speakers sound even better without them.
Thank you so much for taking me inside the cabinet. I'm seriously craving a speaker purchase for my first floor-standers. The Debut series always had my attention but now I think it will have my wallet.
Thanks Ron, I just saw a new and complete set on discount and this is how I came to this review. very helpful review and teardown. These are the wonders of TH-cam and people like you. Thanks again.
Excellent Ron; Good Job!!! Improvements it's always welcome here. Congratulations dear!
Great video. Always interesting to see the engineering inside speakers. Keep these reveal videos coming.
Tearing apart and rebuilding vintage speakers is oh so rewarding. 🙂
My KEF 104/2 Reference Series are glorious after the rebuild and recap.😉👍
love this kind of videos , the inside of speakers , keep doing it please.
I love the disclaimer, I have 3 years before I crack mine open. The tear downs are definitely a treat and appear to be pretty popular to boot.
A+ ...and Andrew jones sure has stepped up the cabinet game from the 1st gens
I'd like to think so, these cost twice as much as the debuts which were seriously over hyped.
All the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't put my speaker back together again 😅🤣😂
Yes you are correct, they are vents. They're for voice coil cooling.
And reduced noise/compression from higher excursion
Love that you take these things apart
Hey Ron Great advice about not taking your speakers apart! Love these teardown videos. Nice looking speaker components for speakers at their price point. Love those cast baskets on the drivers. Nice sized magnets, like the vented pole piece. Like that crossover. I think magnetic grills rock. Great looking cabinet finish. I LOVE to see that internal bracing. Nice looking cabinet construction. Thanks for another great video Ron.
The X-overs are not worth more $40 for both speakers.. 😜
Fantastic, Ron, thank you! Kind of thinking those spikes wouldn't be long enough to go through my carpet and carpet pad all the way to the concrete in my basement, which would suck, but I can't tell exactly how long they can get fully extended out. Can't wait to see the review!
That’s actually a concern for me as well. I stole my carpet from 1972 and it’s on top of 2 thick pads! Ha!
Looks like a nice speaker. Good job, Elac.
thank you! it is the first time that i see inside of a floorstander. :D
My car speakers, from Stereo Integrity, are hefty just like those from Elac. Serious performance.
Some people are so pessimistic. What reason they have to give a thumbs down is absurd. keep it up Ron.
By the way, I know you love dissapearing tweeters. Please review some Dynaudio, they have that exact trait that you like.
Looking forward to seeing the full review
Great video Ron! Love your excitement about this speaker. I think we all are given the dbr 62 has been so well reviewed.would like to know if plugging the back lower section port does anything to the overall balance.
I'm torn between these and the kef q series. Which would u recommend
Hi Ron, nice video. Can you tell me the value of the electrolytic cap that's not 220uF on that crossover board? Planning to get a pair of them and upgrading them caps right off the bat.
Interesting cabinet design with the two different port types. Nice drivers too. Plenty of scope for upgrades in the crossover and damping.
it might be worth spending slightly more and getting a better sorted speaker, they compete in a Very crowded price segment. Focals new Chora also just out.
Looks like a polycarbonate basket, And that is venting around the spider for cooling..nice!
Those vents are for air flow, air flow = cooling. I’ve seen these on other drivers in the pro-audio world.
Great work !
I just added a .1uf/1%/metallized polypropylene bypass cap on the tweeter cap. BIG improvement!
love your channel Ron
this dbr52 somehow remind me of the Pioneer FS 52 Floorstanding Speaker. Good teardown video
The top holes under the baskets are vents. They allow better airflow to cool the outer windings of the coil rather than with just a conventional pole vent, like these also have, to improve thermal power handling. Impressive to see on a hifi driver, that venting technique is more common on bigger high power PA drivers!
dynaudio has done it for years
enjoy these type of speaker review .next Focal Kanta ?
Great video, hopefully they sound as good as they look! Speaking of looks u should take a look at the Q acoustics speakers :)
Nice!! Pretty large bookshelf speakers... :-) @6:36....:-)
What other amplifier do these speakers play well with? Recommend budget ones.
Great video as always Ron! Keep up the great work. I just ordered dbr62's. Was thinking about ordering these as well. On a side note, do you think adding no-rez would improve sound quality over the polyfill?
Dude. Do not mod your elac speakers, you stand no chance of improving them, without adding flaws.
@@itstinksgood9033doud these are not that sophisticated and also there’s just no way poly fill does much if anything. If I’m wrong explain what it is doing!
Did you try it? What is no-rez made out of exactly? Seems fluffy stuff is a scam mostly so would be interesting to test if it does much, especially not to lower frequencies.
Those vents are to keep the voice coils cool 😎
looking to buy these speakers for stereo 2 channel listening - excited to see your review and THEN i will decide!!!
looking for warm neutral sounding speakers.
It's interesting that it has dual ports for the bass. I'd probably try to add more damping inside but it may affect the bass tuning :)
If it’s like adding acoustic treatment to a very tiny tiny room then no - fluffy stuff only affects the higher frequencies. It not likely the stuff on there does much at all.
base on that front firing vent, it has a dual chamber reflex ?
That was a cool video,👍
What is the basket made of? Cast aluminum or molded plastic
I absolutely love the teardown videos. Can you do a triangle Br02 or Br03?
4:15 Kevlar is registered trademark of DuPont and is their version of Woven Aramid Fibers
Please I can't wait for the review, I want to test these but can't get out due to lockdown :( Thanks
What's the purpose of tearing apart a speaker, when you can't convert what you see to knowledge?
The purpose of the vents between the spider and the magnet is to limit compressing by letting the air flow more easerly.
After watching his video this guy is a joke. Has no idea what he is looking at but gives his "audiophile" opinion on speaker reviews. 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Holy heck, triple ported! The dual ported bottom half and ported upper mid/high seems like an odd choice. Must have been fun to tune....
What camera do you use in your podcast-streaming studio? Love it!
Thanks! It’s a Canon C200
Ron, love what you do. Your enthusiasm is easy to catch. I wonder where you got your accent? You seem to forget your mid-word Ts. Instead of button, you say bu-on. Kills me. 😁
Haha!
Are the specifications mentioned on speakers .
So, Ron, I followed your advice and did NOT take apart *my* speakers ... but my best friend is pretty pissed at me. ;) Totally joking thanks for your work you have inspired me to want more out of my rigs and carefully consider some of my future purchases. Keep Safe.
That was fun lol thanks for doing Elac speakers I was wondering are the same woofer in the bookshelf just only one ? Good job
I think the bookshelf woofer is larger. These look like 5 and quarter inchs. I expected the mid range and low to be more different but it seems they are the same. Not sure how that could be optimal. Well see!
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Not sure how it could be optimal?
Supposing that they are the same design (all 3 cone drivers).
Just spit-ballin' here;
If starting with a well executed two-way design, two more of the same drivers could be employed simply as an augmented two-way, or a transitional multi-way, ... whereby the drivers sum their outputs across the lowest octaves, yet each driver (bottom to top) is low passed at a different frequency, to roll off the upper most coverage freq based on distance from the primary driver, and path length difference from the floor (integration/summation issues).
There would be benefits to be had either way... ie., custom for their application, or all 3 essentially identical.
For any given crossover freq, the supplemental drivers added to the highpass'd (or not) primary driver, the summed output yields an extended LF response. The supplemental woofers both extend the frequency range and reduce the displacement load on the primary driver.
Thus lower intermod thru the critical midband, and greater LF displacement capability.
Basically, the same as Kevlar, but Kevlar is a proprietary name. The have their own version. I'm sure the properties are not identical, but very similar.
Thanks for doing the towers & not the bookshelves.
Hey Ron after watching your video I went and took my speakers apart. I put them back together but there's no sound coming out. I did exactly like you done showed me. What did I do wrong? Why didn't you warn me? Hey how are you supposed to jam those tube connectors in there anyway?
😅😂🤣😆
I can't wait for someone to send you a set of Paradigm bookshelf Premier and towers. =D !! .. If you are impressed with subtle engineering designs and performance. =) ..
Who hurts themselves taking apart or putting a pre made speaker back together?
Nice video. It breaks my heart though to see the budget parts on the CO.
It would be great to mention part numbers of the drivers if they exist.
These or the Focal Chora. Not gonna lie these seem like they are cheaper than they are, but its all about the sound. Fyne audio 501s ain't much more in the U.K. Can't wait to see your review.
please take apart the evo 4.2 and the new Ubr62 :)
Teardown are awesome 👌
Please make same video on Polk ES60
Please do the same for DBR62. Thanks
Kevlar is the brand name by DuPont for their Aramid.
What's that screw size in front. It's not hex.
Hope to see the amplifier board
You could do this for a ten years before!!!!
good vdo.
Underspider vents are very common in hifi drivers.
Yeah I guess I just haven’t noticed it! I’ll pay more attention as I do these teardown videos!
Your colors are a little dark in this video, but you still do great work. Have you ever thought of recording in HDR or 30 frames per second? Thanks.
Really? That’s interesting. Should be the exact same as the last few.
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I thought it looked and sounded great, Ron. I personally didn’t notice any difference.
@@Newrecordday2013 It could just be your lighting, open th-cam.com/video/EqJC-CAj-zc/w-d-xo.html and pause both of these videos at one second. You can see the whites are darker, for example check the white speaker on the shelf to the left.
I love watching TEE-JAY!😬🤓🤗😇
Cool to see a shout-out to TeeJay !! Pop the hood 😊
0:34 The reason and purpose of this video is that you're good at this?
Okay, showoff.
@Fat Rat Oi g'day mate! 😃
You're on every hifi yt channel, are ye? 😆
@Fat Rat Caught some very deep bass? 😅
Hey Ron
regarding the vents; not only are they to dissipate heat energy, acoustic energy is of significant concern too.
Manufacturers at the highest end of high end drivers (Seas, Scan-Speak, Accuton), are implementing the most drastic of steps to address these challenges.
Smaller Neodymium motors allow for a wide open path for energy to be dealt with in ways that couldn't happen before.
Scan Speak opens up the thermal and acoustic pathway nicely with advances in their high performance midrange;
www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-4-midrange/scanspeak-illuminator-12mu/8731t-00-4-midrange/
The ultimate cost-no-object approach is what Accuton is doing with their open back, ring magnet, 7" ceramic midrange;
www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/woofers/accuton-c168-6-990-7-ceramic-cone-mid/bass/
When you have the Accuton in your hands the engineering ingenuity really is special.
Otw to 50k subs lets go Ron!!!💪🏾
That cabinet looks like a love child of a transmission line and a bass-reflex construction.
Serious engineering... Except some of mediocre elements of the crossover. You may need some help from GR research for improvement.
Yeah for what these costs and the hype about the designer, its kinda penny pinching. Still people are losing their shit over the bookshelf version, giant killers... can't say i see any evidence of it.
@@jondonnelly4831 Most of the cost goes into the drivers first I think. In the reference I guess they did a little more with pretty cabinets
3:36 “NEARLY” caused my ipad to vibrate. The volume was up...was somewhat startling. 🤓
Like it....:-)
I really want to give them a try. But two factors. They take a ton of power to get them going and sound great. Plus they don't have enough low end for my taste. So you will have to add some powered subs. My setup doesn't have the room for separate subs. So I need a pair of towers that can go low. Around the same price point. Was looking at something by KLH.
The "vents" are the heat sinks for the motor. I would no rez that cabinet!
It seems the cross over network is the weak link, some scope for modding here.
How so?
10p resistors, I don't understand how mid and bass are not specialised but the same unlesss... They are the same and the tweeter is playing down into the mids and speaker is actually just a 2 way pretending to be a 3.
If you don't bleed from frayed copper are you even an audiophile?
I would replace all wires with Cheap Cat5 solid core cables. Cheap home depot silver 7 percent solder. Tellurium copper speaker connectors. ICAS knowledge will best all the thousands of BS audiophile components, cables, etc.
Where’s the listening review!? I’m waiting on your opinion to buy 😳
Should have it ready in less than 2 weeks. Still taking notes.
Where precisely was the crossover located?
Top section, in the back.
Thnk u. I’ve the white pr. May take look at the crossover to consider improvements. The 52s r very nice speakers, look forward to your impressions...
why called 5 way binding post????????????
Pretty low end components for the money.
Do the review already!
The review has got to be published soon, right? There have been several teardowns AND reviews done since this video.
Mr. Jones will talk to anyone about how he built his speaker any why, on camera! So why aren’t we just talking about how they sound with types of equipment rather that the whole year down thing. I love to listen to music. I’ll go to college if I want a degree! I think your going after a different support group than what you started into this for Ron. Sorry but as I say this is not the fun part of music and equipment. Tons of great stuff out there today, just enjoy it! Something for everyone and you don’t have to tear it apart to be okay with it!
The good news is, I do tear downs and reviews. Win win for everyone. Just don’t watch the tear down videos if you don’t appreciate them. See, that was easy, wasn’t it?!
Be sure to click the buh-un.
Those transducers AKA Woofers look kind of weak compared to the JBL Studios woofers?🤭🤫🤔😬
Comparing these to the build quality of the Monitor Audio Silver 200 (A similar size and priced speaker) these are about £300 too expensive. The Silver 200's are better built in every way, inside and outside, and are cheaper than the Elac's, even the outriggers are quality solid metal affairs on the silver 200's. The quality of components in the X-over are also much better on the Monitor Audio's as is the high quality acoustic damping throughout the internals. These Elacs might sound OK but at £1100 UK no thanks, Elac are having a laugh.
Really? Warranty aside, loudspeakers don't require an engineering degree to dissemble. If you can use a screwdriver and build IKEA furniture, you can totally take a peek at your speakers guts.
Let the bass breathe,why not let the midrange breathe????
Not much polyfill. Not effective. Aramid and carbon fiber are polymers but not similar.
Thats too many sand cast resistors! The cabinet looks solid and the drivers look good but that crossover looks cheap.
it does and considering how many elements on it, it cud be costly to put right and might not be worth it.
@@jondonnelly4831 Possibly, unless you have an amp with a low noise floor you may not notice if you had Mills or some other more costly option.
Sand cast resistor, cheap! Iron core inductors and Electrolytic caps?.. Even cheaper… awful parts just like 95% of commercial products. Looks great on the outside but the mess is all inside.
A.J. is using 3 air core inductors and 2 poly caps where it counts. Just so you know, it doesn't look great on the outside either but for the cost, it will walk anything in it's price range!
First , LOL !!!!
No.. I was first but had to retype my essay.