@El Gaucho I still remember the day I met Jeffrey at a con in Portland. Finally meeting the phenomenal actor in person that played the man who killed 2 of my favorite characters as certainly an eye opener for how good of a person he is irl. Of course I know he didn’t ACTUALLY murder 2 people but man was it hard to not see him and immediately remember his performance lol.
It’s definitely inspired, because I for one, would’ve never thought of him when reading the comics. He looks nothing like comic Negan, and I had the attitude a bit differently in my head. But well, that’s why I’m not a casting director I suppose, because JDM pulled it off way better than what I was picturing.
At the end, I always thought her saying " don't leave me like this" was referring to the bag over her head. But also its weird that she somehow tied herself down which kinda feels like she knew she was going to turn into a walker.
The only other thing that maybe makes sense would be if she tied her hands so that she couldn't panic and take the bag off her head. Due to the time involved in ending her suffering via a means like that: it could make it harder to execute the task, even if she's totally & all the way sure-sure of her choice. But even so, idk how she could tie herself up well enough to not be able to get it done in the panic, or put the bag on after that in the first place! 😬
@@thog8385 yeah but all it takes is seeing someone die who wasn't bit to know. I promise you our main group wereng the only, and probably weren't the first, to know that's how the virus worked.
Here's Negan was so good. It doesn't try so much to make you forgive him (Negan) for what he did, but more make you understand him. He's a complicated character with morals. On another note, you should make a video on Four Walls and a Roof. One of the most messed up episodes, with a great conclusion to what No Sanctuary set up.
I agree. People with morals cheat on their wife who has cancer with her best friend, tell a sick pregnant woman she looks fucked up then go on to smash her husbands head in right in front of her lmao
Tales of The Walking Dead should really have just been a backstory for all the villains. The Governor, The Claimers, Terminus, The Wolves, Negan, The Whisperers and hell even The Commonwealth. All these villains deserve more than a singular episode explaining their backstory, yet some only had 3-5 minute flashbacks.
I think that's why i liked the Whisperers the most is because we got several episodes of the backstories of Alpha, Beta, and Lydia. Plus, they were super creepy.
No split decision for me....as soon as he stepped out of the RV I was hooked on his performance and looked forward to any onscreen time he had from season 6/7 until the end
Couldn’t agree more. I’m rewatching it now and every time I see him on screen I remember why he’s one of my top 3 villains(/antihero in the end) of all time.
While people may be pissed be his action I'll say anyone who thinks negan is a boring character is just wrong. Right from the RV he was already one of the most charismatic characters that we've seen in the walking dead. Personally I like bad negan and good negan.
They could have definitely known that the virus was airborne, it was a whole 7 months into the apocalypse already. They very well could have witnessed someone turn without being bitten or heard about it happening. The Atlanta group stayed relatively isolated in their camp without many incidents before Rick came which explains why they didn't know but some groups could have known about it from day 1.
Shit and hea I am a die hard fan since day 1 just finding out it was airbourne. Well, its been a while cut me some slack lol. *I remember something in that aspect during the Herschel/ Maggie's family season -He was suffering from that I think, along with some other disease? Then Negan or Abraham murdered him along with other survivors if I'm not mistaken.
Most early sanctuary outposts, especially the military ones likely fell because of an old person dying of something at night and chomping on people during the night. Just like the infected weapons attack on Hilltop resulted in a massive death count years after the start of the apocalypse. Because they hadn't experienced it before.
Jeffery Dean Morgan improvised Negan’s smirk to Maggie in the closing seconds of the episode, which quickly gained the approval of director Laura Belsey.
My biggest complaint with Here’s Negan is that it should have been a miniseries. I’d like a 4-6 episode miniseries showing Negan from before the fall, to overthrowing the leader of the Sanctuary to him preparing in the RV right before the final scene of 616.
I remember this was the first episode I saw of the show after not watching since like season 3. I sat down with my dad, who has kept up with the show the whole time, and watched this episode with him. And I fell in love with it. Jeffrey Dean Morgan is phenomenal as Negan, and the fact that his real wife played Lucille really just made the episode that much better.
The seasons aren't as start to find ish great as some of the first few, but there have been some great episodes and incredible scenes in every season. There are people who hate seasons 9-10, while for me, it features two of the best villains and the most terrifying villain groups, the biggest shock in the series since (won't just say it because you said you stopped after season 3, but those who saw know) Lucille "dated" two of the main group. And we get the biggest character arc in the series with Negan which was brilliantly portrayed by Jeffery Dean Morgan. It is one thing that, throughout the series, has never changed. The acting is top notch. Every season I would be upset when Melissa McBride didn't get a best supporting actress nomination. If you eventually watch, look forward to a tremendous few scenes with Negan and King Ezekiel in one of the last few episodes of the series.
same I haven't watched since merles death back in 2017 i come back to watch it again and everything was so interesting but out of all the episodes negans is my fav story
@@snerdtergusoncompletely agree on the acting. There have been bad episodes and arcs in every season, really, but the acting throughout is just universally fantastic. There isn't a single performance that pulled me out of the series, even when i may not have cared for the characters on screen(looking mostly at you, stupid trash people). And although i never cared for the Commonwealth story in the novels either, Mercer and Hornsby were phenomenally well developed and acted characters in the show.
As to Lucille's "Don't leave me like this", Fear showed us that people found out in different ways how the dead came back. Gloria presumably died from an OD before reanimating, and Nick, Madison and Travis all saw Calvin reanimate after he was shot dead. It might have been that people who were in the cities, who saw the first Walkers come about from recently dead bodies in hospitals to accidents during the panic, knew from the get-go that anyone who dies comes back.
here’s negan was probably my favorite episode of the show, that episode made me go from accepting negan as a character trying to redeem himself to the most complex character of the series and one of my favorites
Isn’t it possible and probable that Negan and Lucille could have seen someone else die and turn without being bit? So that’s how they could have known you can turn anyway you die.
Just because the main group doesn’t know about the virus being airborne untill Jenner doesn’t necessarily mean Negan and Lucile didn’t know, they could have easily seen someone die without being bit and comeback, thus figuring out they’re all infected
I like the dog food part because it explains why he fed it to daryl when daryl was a prisoner of Negan and I think the reason she wrote that on the door because she was going to be dead on the bed and she didn’t want to be left like that I don’t think she knew she would be a walker I think she knew she was going to kill her self and didn’t want Negan to leave her there like that.
This episode felt like an action/romance/villain origin story to me and I liked it. It was the key for us to understand how and why negan became the way he was in season 6-8. For the first time it actually made my dad like him from being a bad guy to being a good guy. He’s usually not a fan of that “bad guy turn into good guy cliche”.When he watched season 6-10 negan, my dad was like “I don’t like him,he must die😡” but after watching this episode and season 11 he was like “I like him👍, hope he doesn’t die🥺” . All in all, great episode. I kinda wish we get a prequel show or something about negan. Sure his origin is explained in this episode but I think it be interesting to see how he found the sanctuary, how he met Simon, how he met Dwight, how he started the saviors. And then the final episode would show a final scene where negan is behind the rv door preparing himself to meet Rick for the first time.
I would say the main thing is , we cant expect the entire apocalypse to be what it was for Rick's group. Remember they didnt find out till Cdc and rick told them. But others clearly learned by living it. Remember when andrea and michonne asked the governor why they were sick and stabbed dead people and he was like uh what do you mean they turned? Cause his group already knew this. So im sure it's a simple answer really. Negan or Lucille probably experienced something that showed them early on that anyone dead with an undamaged brain will come back. Really we just have to assume that and take it as the answer cause it wont be addressed and it's the easiest answer.
It's the obvious answer tbh I didn't even know this was a question lol until this TH-camr asked. Like bruh obvously people figure shit out at different times.
Hey thrifty I just wanted to say, keep up the fantastic work. I watch all twd TH-camrs but you are by far the best with every breakdown to every detail. Pit so much work onto it which i love and hives me even more perspective when i thought i already know.... One of the biggest lines from i believe 11x23 that hit me was carol saying "before the apocalypse we would've never spoken to each other." So underated
I already loved Negan, but Here’s Negan made me sob so hard it’s such a good episode but I’ve only been able to watch it once because I cry whenever I see parts of it
This is in my top 15, it is just such a great episode. Everything was perfect and even though I wanted to see Negan and the saviors, after watching the episode, I didn't feel disappointed, like the point of the episode was to show us Negan in another context and how he became the person we saw back in Last Day on Earth.
This episode consistently makes me cry because at a young age I was diagnosed with cancer, and the same year I was diagnosed, my uncle passed away of a different cancer. I try to be the best version of myself for him and this episode just made me bawl my eyes out in a way I didn’t even know was possible
One of the most underrated episodes of the show in my opinion. It's slow and isn't necessary tbh. HOWEVER, it is a beautiful insight into Negan's character and in my opinion, was a very smart move by the writers to include it so that all the people that loathed him would see things with better perspective. Very few people are straight sociopaths like an Alpha or governor. Negan is a very imperfect human that was corrupted by the apocalypse
You should do a video on Morgan and his arc in the main show he’s probably one of the most compelling characters in the show. Seeing him go through loss and insanity is just so amazing to watch as Lennie James gives an amazing performance
It’s similar to when people find out you can cover yourself with Walker guts to mask your presence, the thing about it, There’s actually a lot of survivors that don’t even find out till way later in some years , some are lucky to discover it very early before anyone else
When she wrote “don’t leave me like this” it felt more like she never wanted him to leave in the first place and she wanted him to just spend her last moments at her side. Knowing he went to get supplies and then taking as long as he did because of what happened, it just felt like it sent her on a spiral of pain from the cancer and finally deciding to off herself because she has no idea if he’s dead alive or coming back. It’s way more heartbreaking reading the words on the door when it felt more like a cry out to him for leaving her in the first place
i still love negan A LOT love how’s he’s trying to change and actually trying to become better BUT he still killed glenn and that’s one bump that i can’t an won’t get over
Great video I love negan’s character and the development he’s gotten he’s become such a different person from when we first met him. I love to see this kind of storytelling.
Its very feasible that Negan and his wife's experience from when the virus started, involved seeing or hearing about others dying without being bit, and turning into a walker.
My main complaint about this episode is the timeline inconsistency. It makes absolutely no sense for the current timeline to have been 12 years and 8 months + into the apocalypse, and there's been another 6 months and 1 year time jump since then, which means we're 14 years into the apocalypse, which just feels wrong because it means that the first 8 seasons of the show and Carl's death was like 12 years ago and it just makes everything that happened feel so insignificant. What was the need for all these time jumps? I didn't mind the 1.5 year time jump from AOW to s9 because it made sense narratively, and the 6 year time jump after Rick left made sense for ageing Judith I guess, but then 2 more years come out of nowhere and almost 2 more years have passed since then and it's all just too much. Too much time has passed and it's so unbelievable that all these characters are still alive given how many died in the early seasons, and when you watch it it's like none of it matters anymore because the present timeline is SO far into the future. It also means Rick has been gone for 10 years or more, and with all due respect to Maggie, I know you never get over the loss of a loved one, but... Glenn died 12 YEARS AGO! I think she can move on
It’s not necessarily a plot hole. Maybe they already knew that once you die you come back. They could’ve known by seeing other people die and come back without being bitten. I don’t think we had to necessarily see it for us to know that they had known about it
In a Fresh Prince episode Uncle Phil has to win a pool game to rescue Will & his cue is named "Lucille". Wonder if Kirkman was a fan or it's just a coincidence?
@@liamphibia The Governor too me has a way more interesting backstory, story than show Negan too me and is more complex...especially in the comics because of his identity switch. "How Philip Blake Became Too Far Gone" is a great title for that video... Negan isn't tragic at all too me except Lucille's death he was a flawed man pre outbreak and he chose the villainous path as a tyrant and he has to live with it he. The Governor was a kind, family man who lost his daughter and he was so devastated that it caused a mental breakdown he was a tragic character...
Negan is by far my favourite character of the show! I loved him as a villain and I love him as what he has become. But to be honest, I always had problems with seeing him as a different person. Not because I was traumatised by his prior actions but because the writing didn't convince me. It must be incredibly hard to turn the biggest villain so far into an anti-hero of such a big show so I can't blame the writers for not convincing me. This episode never felt right for me, tho. I loved hearing more about Negan and his backstory! I'm always really hyped when it comes to the season finales and this one was great, but after rethinking about it a couple of times, I never felt good about it. I don't know what it is, but I didn't think this was a great way of showing his past. Negan's character change happened mostly during S9. Why am I saying this? Because that was the episode in which Maggie wanted to kill Negan, which caused him to show his true feelings. That was my first problem with him. It happened literally 5 episodes after Rick "kills" him and that was way too early. In S9E2, Rick has a short conversation with Negan in which the writers specifically showed that Negan has not changed yet (or he pretends to at least). There is a three episode long time that's passed which is like nothing and Negan suddenly shows all of his emotions because he was in jail for some time? If I remember correctly, there passes quite a lot of time in the show itself during these episodes, but still. Us viewers just have to accept that the greatest villain of TWD changes in less than 3h of video material? Cmon.. And if that wasn't bad enough, we have that huge time skip as S9E5 is also Rick's final episode. That means, we lose even more even more time with Negan's development. Funny thing: right after that time jump, Negan tries to escape Alexandria to find back to his old life, so he didn't really change at all until he notices that things have changed. So why did they even show his and Maggie's scene that early? I don't hate Negan's development, I even love it and think, it's one of the most interesting concepts in film so far. Taking a character everyone hates for killing many main characters and making him a "good" guy. Absolutely fantastic! But it happened way too fast. They showed most of his development in like 5 episodes right after his "death" but then notice they still have like three seasons to write so they have too much time to keep him interesting. And I suddenly have to believe he's changed? Times has passed, yea, but his development stopped and that's frustrating. If he actually had a good development, I might have this episode even after watching it. But since this is the way they went with Negan, I will never be able to believe he's actually a different character now. That's the difference between "show" and "tell". They can tell me he's changed, but as long as they don't show me, it doesn't matter.
Negan and Lucille knowing that you turn after you die could just be down from experience we don't know how long it was just them, perhaps there where others be they quickly died off.
Am I the only one who became a huge die hard Nrgan fan WAY WAY WAY earlier in Season 10 than "Here's Negan"? Hell for me it was probably Season 9 now that I think about it, although even when he was a villain I thought he was a really compelling one. (His walkie talkie talk with Rick after Carl died in 8.) Even in 7 you started seeing hints at his compassion and humanity, 6 is the only Season where he's 100% pure evil and that's only case he's literally only in the final 10 minutes LOL
For me, it’s one of the best episodes ever, maybe in my top five. That stuff you explained at the end about the authors maybe forgetting the timeline of The Walking Dead, I think it’s not true. I think they just wanted to be a little bit more mysterious… who knows, maybe someone died and they saw he turning into a zombie. They add just a little bit of a mystery in his past. We, because I’m an author too, we don’t have to explain everything… you can imagine it and for you as a viewer it’s more exciting..
I was gonna say why assume they didn't know. Because Rick found out later doesnt mean negan and Lucille didn't. Maybe negan saw someone get stabbed or something during the begging of the zombie apocalypse I'm actually a bit more surprise that ricks group didn't see someome get killed earlier I'd be expected alot of people to kill each other when the world ends.
As much as I love this episode, am I the only one who thinks it’s really weird that after Rick cut Negans throat, no one picked up his bat from under that tree. Like, wouldn’t Rick at least want to destroy that thing for all the pain it caused? And in the eight or so years after the war no random survivor walked past that tree and decided to keep it?
More or less, I get what you're saying, but in such a big world, this is applied mostly to major characters to make them unique. Still, good observation.
In the comics there's 2 Tara's one is Tara chambler and there's other is the one in the saviours. But they changed the 2nd Tara to arat in the show so people wouldn't get confused
"Please dont leave me like this" Was so fucking heart breaking. It wasnt a reference to her becoming a walker and wanting Negan to kill her, it was her thinking in her last moments alive that the man she loved had left and abandoned her due to the burden of cancer. At least, thats how I see it. Since, they didnt know the virus was airborne, this makes the most sense in my eyes.
When JDM was cast as Negan I punched the air in delight. No one could do that role justice like Morgan. Everything about him screams Negan. It’s like he leapt off the page onto the screen. I always said when Negan first arrived on the show “You may hate him now, but you will love him later.” So far, so good.
When I first saw Negan and his brutal treatment of Glenn, I truly hated his guts, I truly didn't think I could hate any man so much as I hated Negan.....I can honestly say I love Negan now, and he is 1 of my most fav characters in the whole series!!
This episode really great. My wife don't like the character Negan even after he become "good" guy but after this episode, she empathized and understand by Negan became Negan and also make her fall in love to the song "you are so beautiful" by joe cocker.
watching these videos after being a huge twd fan in elementary school and losing interest eventually feels like snooping around on an old friend's instagram to see what they're up to now a days, lol
I thought maybe, “Don’t leave me like this.” Was inferring that she thought he died. Since he took so long she assumed the worst and killed herself. Taking days and considering the circumstances it seemed better than withering away the rest of her days. Or maybe she killed herself and didn’t want to be left in such a condition. So maybe she wanted to be buried in a normal looking condition and not having a bag on her.
I think they knew already. I mean why wouldn't they people are obviously gonna find out quicker then ricks group it doesn't take much. Witnessing one dead that wasn't by a zombie bite would all it would take. But then again if Lucille new then why wouldn't she have the decency of destroying her own head so negan didn't have to maybe they didn't know and your right who knows.
@@cngotham4111Lucille probably couldn't have destroyed her own head without extreme difficulty. They had a single bullet left and she used it to save Negan earlier. Not to mention that cancer and chemotherapy really take a lot out of you. She was probably too weak to perform any meaningful blunt force trauma. And as for whether or not they knew about turning even without a bite? Why else would she have restrained herself? If you're under the impression that only bites turn you there would be no reason to restrain yourself if you're going to die fully.
Honestly I don't think this episode really changed people's perspective on Negan's character anymore than his redemption arc during season 10 did. If anything it kind of made it worse because we saw how Negan cheated on his wife, but he did make up for it in the end. What I really think wouldve gone a long way to change the perspective on him is seeing how he formed the Saviors, that's what I really want to see. I think there's two sides to his redemption arc, changing perspective on who he used to be and "justifying" what he did, and saying the man he is now and how he's changed and the things he's done to make up for what he did. After all, you can't have a redemption arc without having first been a villain
Seeing how he formed the saviors would just make people cement their negative view of him as then it makes them go “see? He was always an asshole!” Him cheating on his wife just makes him flawed and realistic. They made the right call as did Kirkman when he first wrote it.
I think it was supposed to but I agree, it wasn’t really good enough as a true explanation of his behavior. Still a good episode but nothing about it made me say “so that’s why he’s a homicidal tyrant, makes sense” ….bc it doesn’t 😂 I also always found it beyond cringe that he named that bat after her, like it’s just a shitty way to honor/remember your wife, IMO We didn’t and still don’t need a story of forming the saviors bc we already know the kinda shit they were doing. There’s a lot of people who think that if we had followed Negan and the saviors from the get go instead of Rick, then we’d see them differently and that makes no sense to me.
@@daniig62 I think it'd be just be really interesting to see how it came to be and what his thought process going into it actually was. It was also cringe how Negan struggled with killing a walker and didn't want to kill people, and then he took out a whole camp of guys by himself, with the power of... grief?
@@bishbosh4815 yeah it would be interesting I just meant it would be pointless towards the goal of making the audience see him or the saviors differently.
Really good point about Lucille at the end. It's a shame this was overlooked, because it's one of the most interesting things about the world imo; that everyone starts off not knowing.
I mean they could have just seen someone die before hand. It's not like it was the first hour of the apocalypse or anything. I don't see any error or anything I thought by that message on the wall it just proves they already saw someone get killed and then get turned.
I thoroughly enjoy this episode and honestly (this might be a hot take), I really wouldn’t have minded if this ended up being the last we saw of Negan. He gets rid of the bat like in the comics and then goes on to do his own thing after helping the group. Personally, while still liking his presence and quite a few of his scenes, I feel like s11 tried TOO hard to prove to us that he was a “good guy” now rather than just being the morally grey anti-hero. Still not too keen on the new pregnant wife thing either, especially with it being introduced offscreen (though I don’t mind Annie herself as a character)
Great video. I’d love for you to go over the episode Here’s Not Here. I think it’s a really good episode and largely underrated. I love Eastman’s character and I love Lennie James’s acting
I think different people figured things out at different rates. It's not impossible to assume that Negan and Lucille witnessed people turning without being bitten by this point. Unlikely sure, because they were pretty isolated, but still.
He bashed in the heads of innocent people with a bat named after her. I’d be pissed, I just can’t decide how she would have taken it. She supported him but she was also quick with a “quit your bullshit”, I don’t think she’d appreciate it or his “wives” in their questionable consent. I would love an alt take on the survivors by Kirkman, what would have been Negan’s fate if she lived? What would have happened if Rick was killed by him instead of Abraham or Glenn? While I have grumbles with certain things, it shows a well written set of characters for people to continue to talk about them.
This may have been the best singular episode of this whole show, it even works as a self contained story for those who've never actually seen the show , they could hypothetically just watch this episode and get something from it
I honestly thought "don't leave me like this" meant that she assumed Negan had finally abandoned her, and "don't leave me like this" meant don't leave her in that state. I just assumed she'd written it more in hopelessness rather than actually assuming Negan would ever return and have to kill her walker self
This channel is single handedly getting me back into TWD. I stopped watching after Carl died because I am a TWD comic fan and killing him pissed me off.
Judith was a solid replacer. Her and negan have great chemistry in the show. Also Ricks farewell was probably the best episode of the series id at least recommend you watching til he leaves.
Same but the writing did get better I liked the whispers arc for an example. But yes when the show was at the worse at least there was the funny as negan.
i think why heres not here wasnt reveived that good was because it is the episode after glenn's dumpster death and we all needed to see that but we got an morgan episode instead :P
He was an amazing character and I really enjoyed learning more about him as well as seeing his story arc. None of that changed the fact that I disliked him lol.
I’m pretty sure they’ve mentioned and we have seen that some characters knew from the start that dying turns you regardless. In the comic universe, Lee Everett’s group figured it out canonically before Rick even woke from his coma when Ben told them who had to have learned even sooner than that. Also I’m Fear, many characters and groups knew from the get-go that dying means turning. No explanation is cause for concern to an extent but it could’ve been in the realm of possibilities that they just knew like many others did
I’ve always loved Negan as a character because he exemplified the reality of what it took to survive in that world. His methods are barbaric, but only to the sensibilities of a modern world. When chaos reigns, people tend to lash out wildly if they’re not held together by a charismatic leader, and often times fear is the best motivator given the alternative. And people seem to forget that Rick’s group really weren’t any better than the saviors. They charged into that satellite station and killed dozens of people with very little information about them. For all they really knew, Hilltop could have been lying about who the saviors were and what they did. Rick also planned to take Alexandria by force had it come to that and the reasoning he was using was basically what Negan did, “you’re too weak to survive without me”
In the first few episodes I really wanted Negan dead, but after a little, I started to love his charisma and sarcasm, and the way he would laugh at such big threats and still end up on top, just one amazing written character and tied with rick for my favorite of the entire show, with Daryl in second of course.
This was such a great episode. It showed so much character development background to negan. I cant imagine this episode not being made. So it's crazy it wouldn't have been made without covid.
15:10 I think Lucille wrote that on the door because she didn’t want to die alone. She must’ve been in so much pain and begged Negan to stay with her for what time she had left. She likely ended her own life after a long time of extremely intense cancer pains and such that she just couldn’t take it anymore. She likely only stayed alive as long as she could out of hopes just to see Negan one last time, but sadly her cancer was just too much to bear any longer.
It's also completely possible that Negan & Lucille learned that the virus was airborne earlier than Rick's group did. There's no indication in the episode that they DON'T know.
I hate Negan only because of how much he changed the course of the group, but he is easily my top 3 characters in the whole series. I also enjoy how they didnt completely bastardize him later on. I think him building a relationship with Judith was a great way to start his redemption arc instead of some cliché random change of heart.
Here’s something you probably didn’t know about. They actually did a comic book issue on the storyline like a decade ago. Lol in fact, there was a lot of channels that talks about The Walking Dead back when season seven first happened that we thought we were gonna get a very similar episodes of his back in season seven to help paint a better picture of Negan.
I just assumed they both knew people turn into walkers after they die. Maybe in those 7 months since the outbreak they saw people die and comeback without being bitten. Everyone finds out a different way.
I actually didn't mind the carol episode where she chased a rat around the house. It was a fun little waste of time like any filler episode and its not like the other episode from the extra ones added anything anymore than that one did,
I thought by the end was that she meant don't leave me while she's like this (dying of cancer). Instead of trying to keep going out to try and find a way to keep her alive, that he should spend the little time they have left together.
I think they knew because they must have been with a friend in the beginning that died by either getting killed by another human or natural causes and they knew they hadn’t been bit, so they probably just knew before ricks group did.
I loved this episode. The scene where he comes back and finds her dead is brilliant. When my fiance and I watched it we both started crying. And he's a good ole boy from Appalachia, not some ponce. But it was such a great scene, we were undone. Really the whole episode is excellent
"please don't leave me like this" means don't just disappear unceremoniously and leave me in a sickly, vulnerable state. you could totally see a message like that being written even without a zombie apocalypse tbh, it's not a reference to any foreknowledge of turning into a zombie
I love how they had an Iron Maiden poster in the background! This episode made me very emotional I don’t wanna lose my partner so I can’t image what he went threw losing Lucille.
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They could not have picked a more perfect actor for Negan than Jeffery Dean Morgan.
What a casting choice, and what an actor.
@El Gaucho I still remember the day I met Jeffrey at a con in Portland. Finally meeting the phenomenal actor in person that played the man who killed 2 of my favorite characters as certainly an eye opener for how good of a person he is irl. Of course I know he didn’t ACTUALLY murder 2 people but man was it hard to not see him and immediately remember his performance lol.
It’s definitely inspired, because I for one, would’ve never thought of him when reading the comics. He looks nothing like comic Negan, and I had the attitude a bit differently in my head. But well, that’s why I’m not a casting director I suppose, because JDM pulled it off way better than what I was picturing.
@@alexman378 funny enough there's a specific actor that was in mind when kirtmen made negan but thinking about it Jeffery was a way better choice.
@@cngotham4111 Who was it?
@@alexman378 I haven't seen negan in the comics yet, I'm on issue 43 right now but I'm excited to see him because I heard hes a great character.
At the end, I always thought her saying " don't leave me like this" was referring to the bag over her head. But also its weird that she somehow tied herself down which kinda feels like she knew she was going to turn into a walker.
Probly did it Just to be safe, they didn’t know much about the virus.
The only other thing that maybe makes sense would be if she tied her hands so that she couldn't panic and take the bag off her head. Due to the time involved in ending her suffering via a means like that: it could make it harder to execute the task, even if she's totally & all the way sure-sure of her choice.
But even so, idk how she could tie herself up well enough to not be able to get it done in the panic, or put the bag on after that in the first place! 😬
The main crew knew walkers turned without being bit very early on
@@ogre5728 main group were told by the CDC
@@thog8385 yeah but all it takes is seeing someone die who wasn't bit to know. I promise you our main group wereng the only, and probably weren't the first, to know that's how the virus worked.
Here's Negan was so good. It doesn't try so much to make you forgive him (Negan) for what he did, but more make you understand him. He's a complicated character with morals. On another note, you should make a video on Four Walls and a Roof. One of the most messed up episodes, with a great conclusion to what No Sanctuary set up.
I agree. People with morals cheat on their wife who has cancer with her best friend, tell a sick pregnant woman she looks fucked up then go on to smash her husbands head in right in front of her lmao
Morals??? HAH! 😂😂😂
@@LadyLeomonI don't get what's funny
@@LadyLeomoneveryone has morals. Just not everyone has good morals.
@@TheDanggamersno one on the show has morals which is why I hate the premise of dead city, it’s time she lets it go it’s been a decade
Tales of The Walking Dead should really have just been a backstory for all the villains. The Governor, The Claimers, Terminus, The Wolves, Negan, The Whisperers and hell even The Commonwealth. All these villains deserve more than a singular episode explaining their backstory, yet some only had 3-5 minute flashbacks.
I think that's why i liked the Whisperers the most is because we got several episodes of the backstories of Alpha, Beta, and Lydia. Plus, they were super creepy.
We dont need a backstory to the claimers, theyre rapists.
And the reapers, I thought they were badass
there was an episode about alpha
@@Greenhawk4 Non-canon.
No split decision for me....as soon as he stepped out of the RV I was hooked on his performance and looked forward to any onscreen time he had from season 6/7 until the end
Couldn’t agree more. I’m rewatching it now and every time I see him on screen I remember why he’s one of my top 3 villains(/antihero in the end) of all time.
While people may be pissed be his action I'll say anyone who thinks negan is a boring character is just wrong. Right from the RV he was already one of the most charismatic characters that we've seen in the walking dead. Personally I like bad negan and good negan.
And while season 6 and 7 was meh seasons I'd say negan was the biggest positive.
Same I think it sucks that people left the show for a villain being a villain
They could have definitely known that the virus was airborne, it was a whole 7 months into the apocalypse already. They very well could have witnessed someone turn without being bitten or heard about it happening. The Atlanta group stayed relatively isolated in their camp without many incidents before Rick came which explains why they didn't know but some groups could have known about it from day 1.
For real. I don't understand why the Fandom thinks no one knew unless or until the CDC told them
Yeah the group in ftwd found Out before the proper Outbreak
Shit and hea I am a die hard fan since day 1 just finding out it was airbourne. Well, its been a while cut me some slack lol.
*I remember something in that aspect during the Herschel/ Maggie's family season -He was suffering from that I think, along with some other disease? Then Negan or Abraham murdered him along with other survivors if I'm not mistaken.
OH NOOO, it was the preachers or pacifists... Pacifiers group or something like that. I think the dude had an eye patch just like Negan
Most early sanctuary outposts, especially the military ones likely fell because of an old person dying of something at night and chomping on people during the night.
Just like the infected weapons attack on Hilltop resulted in a massive death count years after the start of the apocalypse. Because they hadn't experienced it before.
Jeffery Dean Morgan improvised Negan’s smirk to Maggie in the closing seconds of the episode, which quickly gained the approval of director Laura Belsey.
My biggest complaint with Here’s Negan is that it should have been a miniseries. I’d like a 4-6 episode miniseries showing Negan from before the fall, to overthrowing the leader of the Sanctuary to him preparing in the RV right before the final scene of 616.
@louis shut up nerd
@louis lmao okay “Louis”
that would’ve been so good, but knowing amc there prolly gonna make a whole ass tv show about the saviors
I could go for that.. watch him bap that kid from Hilltop too. He was even more ruthless before encountering Alexandrians.
@@tenaciousb7868 Negan wouldn’t have done that. It would have been Simon as he’s the one that dealt with Hilltop, plus Negan doesn’t kill kids.
I remember this was the first episode I saw of the show after not watching since like season 3. I sat down with my dad, who has kept up with the show the whole time, and watched this episode with him. And I fell in love with it. Jeffrey Dean Morgan is phenomenal as Negan, and the fact that his real wife played Lucille really just made the episode that much better.
The seasons aren't as start to find ish great as some of the first few, but there have been some great episodes and incredible scenes in every season. There are people who hate seasons 9-10, while for me, it features two of the best villains and the most terrifying villain groups, the biggest shock in the series since (won't just say it because you said you stopped after season 3, but those who saw know) Lucille "dated" two of the main group. And we get the biggest character arc in the series with Negan which was brilliantly portrayed by Jeffery Dean Morgan.
It is one thing that, throughout the series, has never changed. The acting is top notch. Every season I would be upset when Melissa McBride didn't get a best supporting actress nomination.
If you eventually watch, look forward to a tremendous few scenes with Negan and King Ezekiel in one of the last few episodes of the series.
@@snerdterguson I do plan to watch it all through since I believe the main series is over now, so I’ll have to find some time to get to that
same I haven't watched since merles death back in 2017 i come back to watch it again and everything was so interesting but out of all the episodes negans is my fav story
@@snerdtergusoncompletely agree on the acting. There have been bad episodes and arcs in every season, really, but the acting throughout is just universally fantastic. There isn't a single performance that pulled me out of the series, even when i may not have cared for the characters on screen(looking mostly at you, stupid trash people). And although i never cared for the Commonwealth story in the novels either, Mercer and Hornsby were phenomenally well developed and acted characters in the show.
THAT WAS JEFFERYS ACTUAL WIFE PLAYING LUCILLE?! 😮 HOLY WOW
As to Lucille's "Don't leave me like this", Fear showed us that people found out in different ways how the dead came back. Gloria presumably died from an OD before reanimating, and Nick, Madison and Travis all saw Calvin reanimate after he was shot dead. It might have been that people who were in the cities, who saw the first Walkers come about from recently dead bodies in hospitals to accidents during the panic, knew from the get-go that anyone who dies comes back.
which would sorta beg the question: why would anyone but Rick ever be unaware of that knowledge? Even as early as the first episode?? 😂😂
here’s negan was probably my favorite episode of the show, that episode made me go from accepting negan as a character trying to redeem himself to the most complex character of the series and one of my favorites
Negan and Lucille might not have needed to be told "no matter how you die, you turn". They may have witnessed it.
Isn’t it possible and probable that Negan and Lucille could have seen someone else die and turn without being bit? So that’s how they could have known you can turn anyway you die.
Would love to see more episodes of Negans rise to power with the Saviors
Yea like why did rhe governor get tbis but not him
Just because the main group doesn’t know about the virus being airborne untill Jenner doesn’t necessarily mean Negan and Lucile didn’t know, they could have easily seen someone die without being bit and comeback, thus figuring out they’re all infected
I like the dog food part because it explains why he fed it to daryl when daryl was a prisoner of Negan and I think the reason she wrote that on the door because she was going to be dead on the bed and she didn’t want to be left like that I don’t think she knew she would be a walker I think she knew she was going to kill her self and didn’t want Negan to leave her there like that.
This episode felt like an action/romance/villain origin story to me and I liked it. It was the key for us to understand how and why negan became the way he was in season 6-8. For the first time it actually made my dad like him from being a bad guy to being a good guy. He’s usually not a fan of that “bad guy turn into good guy cliche”.When he watched season 6-10 negan, my dad was like “I don’t like him,he must die😡” but after watching this episode and season 11 he was like “I like him👍, hope he doesn’t die🥺” . All in all, great episode.
I kinda wish we get a prequel show or something about negan. Sure his origin is explained in this episode but I think it be interesting to see how he found the sanctuary, how he met Simon, how he met Dwight, how he started the saviors. And then the final episode would show a final scene where negan is behind the rv door preparing himself to meet Rick for the first time.
I would say the main thing is , we cant expect the entire apocalypse to be what it was for Rick's group. Remember they didnt find out till Cdc and rick told them. But others clearly learned by living it. Remember when andrea and michonne asked the governor why they were sick and stabbed dead people and he was like uh what do you mean they turned? Cause his group already knew this. So im sure it's a simple answer really. Negan or Lucille probably experienced something that showed them early on that anyone dead with an undamaged brain will come back. Really we just have to assume that and take it as the answer cause it wont be addressed and it's the easiest answer.
It's the obvious answer tbh I didn't even know this was a question lol until this TH-camr asked. Like bruh obvously people figure shit out at different times.
On a side note of the covid episodes... I really enjoyed One More... the transformation of Father Gabriel captivated me
Hey thrifty I just wanted to say, keep up the fantastic work. I watch all twd TH-camrs but you are by far the best with every breakdown to every detail. Pit so much work onto it which i love and hives me even more perspective when i thought i already know.... One of the biggest lines from i believe 11x23 that hit me was carol saying "before the apocalypse we would've never spoken to each other." So underated
I already loved Negan, but Here’s Negan made me sob so hard it’s such a good episode but I’ve only been able to watch it once because I cry whenever I see parts of it
One of the best anti hero’s in tv history
I was binge watching your WD and GOT videos then this little gem popped up. Good timing.
This is in my top 15, it is just such a great episode. Everything was perfect and even though I wanted to see Negan and the saviors, after watching the episode, I didn't feel disappointed, like the point of the episode was to show us Negan in another context and how he became the person we saw back in Last Day on Earth.
This episode consistently makes me cry because at a young age I was diagnosed with cancer, and the same year I was diagnosed, my uncle passed away of a different cancer. I try to be the best version of myself for him and this episode just made me bawl my eyes out in a way I didn’t even know was possible
He did also kill 2 fan favorite characters but hey
I’m sorry you lost your uncle, but I’m happy that you are alive and kicking. God bless your my friend ✝️❤️
I'm So Sorry I Hope You Get Better
Amen 🙏
I just discovered this channel and It's very refreshing. I like how you just talk about the episode or topic and just review it. Direct to the point.
One of the most underrated episodes of the show in my opinion. It's slow and isn't necessary tbh. HOWEVER, it is a beautiful insight into Negan's character and in my opinion, was a very smart move by the writers to include it so that all the people that loathed him would see things with better perspective. Very few people are straight sociopaths like an Alpha or governor. Negan is a very imperfect human that was corrupted by the apocalypse
You should do a video on Morgan and his arc in the main show he’s probably one of the most compelling characters in the show. Seeing him go through loss and insanity is just so amazing to watch as Lennie James gives an amazing performance
Negan made me keep watching the show when I was over it. One of the best characters on the show
It’s similar to when people find out you can cover yourself with Walker guts to mask your presence, the thing about it, There’s actually a lot of survivors that don’t even find out till way later in some years , some are lucky to discover it very early before anyone else
When she wrote “don’t leave me like this” it felt more like she never wanted him to leave in the first place and she wanted him to just spend her last moments at her side. Knowing he went to get supplies and then taking as long as he did because of what happened, it just felt like it sent her on a spiral of pain from the cancer and finally deciding to off herself because she has no idea if he’s dead alive or coming back. It’s way more heartbreaking reading the words on the door when it felt more like a cry out to him for leaving her in the first place
i still love negan A LOT love how’s he’s trying to change and actually trying to become better BUT he still killed glenn and that’s one bump that i can’t an won’t get over
Great video I love negan’s character and the development he’s gotten he’s become such a different person from when we first met him. I love to see this kind of storytelling.
Its very feasible that Negan and his wife's experience from when the virus started, involved seeing or hearing about others dying without being bit, and turning into a walker.
My main complaint about this episode is the timeline inconsistency. It makes absolutely no sense for the current timeline to have been 12 years and 8 months + into the apocalypse, and there's been another 6 months and 1 year time jump since then, which means we're 14 years into the apocalypse, which just feels wrong because it means that the first 8 seasons of the show and Carl's death was like 12 years ago and it just makes everything that happened feel so insignificant. What was the need for all these time jumps? I didn't mind the 1.5 year time jump from AOW to s9 because it made sense narratively, and the 6 year time jump after Rick left made sense for ageing Judith I guess, but then 2 more years come out of nowhere and almost 2 more years have passed since then and it's all just too much. Too much time has passed and it's so unbelievable that all these characters are still alive given how many died in the early seasons, and when you watch it it's like none of it matters anymore because the present timeline is SO far into the future. It also means Rick has been gone for 10 years or more, and with all due respect to Maggie, I know you never get over the loss of a loved one, but... Glenn died 12 YEARS AGO! I think she can move on
It’s not necessarily a plot hole. Maybe they already knew that once you die you come back. They could’ve known by seeing other people die and come back without being bitten. I don’t think we had to necessarily see it for us to know that they had known about it
In a Fresh Prince episode Uncle Phil has to win a pool game to rescue Will & his cue is named "Lucille". Wonder if Kirkman was a fan or it's just a coincidence?
Seriously this channel is so underrated. It feels like the perfect place to review and talk about TWD.
He should do a video on the governor....
@@LightninLewis
Oh yeah he should!
@@liamphibia The Governor too me has a way more interesting backstory, story than show Negan too me and is more complex...especially in the comics because of his identity switch. "How Philip Blake Became Too Far Gone" is a great title for that video... Negan isn't tragic at all too me except Lucille's death he was a flawed man pre outbreak and he chose the villainous path as a tyrant and he has to live with it he. The Governor was a kind, family man who lost his daughter and he was so devastated that it caused a mental breakdown he was a tragic character...
Negan is by far my favourite character of the show!
I loved him as a villain and I love him as what he has become. But to be honest, I always had problems with seeing him as a different person. Not because I was traumatised by his prior actions but because the writing didn't convince me.
It must be incredibly hard to turn the biggest villain so far into an anti-hero of such a big show so I can't blame the writers for not convincing me.
This episode never felt right for me, tho. I loved hearing more about Negan and his backstory! I'm always really hyped when it comes to the season finales and this one was great, but after rethinking about it a couple of times, I never felt good about it.
I don't know what it is, but I didn't think this was a great way of showing his past.
Negan's character change happened mostly during S9. Why am I saying this? Because that was the episode in which Maggie wanted to kill Negan, which caused him to show his true feelings. That was my first problem with him. It happened literally 5 episodes after Rick "kills" him and that was way too early.
In S9E2, Rick has a short conversation with Negan in which the writers specifically showed that Negan has not changed yet (or he pretends to at least).
There is a three episode long time that's passed which is like nothing and Negan suddenly shows all of his emotions because he was in jail for some time? If I remember correctly, there passes quite a lot of time in the show itself during these episodes, but still. Us viewers just have to accept that the greatest villain of TWD changes in less than 3h of video material? Cmon..
And if that wasn't bad enough, we have that huge time skip as S9E5 is also Rick's final episode. That means, we lose even more even more time with Negan's development.
Funny thing: right after that time jump, Negan tries to escape Alexandria to find back to his old life, so he didn't really change at all until he notices that things have changed. So why did they even show his and Maggie's scene that early?
I don't hate Negan's development, I even love it and think, it's one of the most interesting concepts in film so far. Taking a character everyone hates for killing many main characters and making him a "good" guy. Absolutely fantastic!
But it happened way too fast. They showed most of his development in like 5 episodes right after his "death" but then notice they still have like three seasons to write so they have too much time to keep him interesting.
And I suddenly have to believe he's changed? Times has passed, yea, but his development stopped and that's frustrating.
If he actually had a good development, I might have this episode even after watching it. But since this is the way they went with Negan, I will never be able to believe he's actually a different character now. That's the difference between "show" and "tell". They can tell me he's changed, but as long as they don't show me, it doesn't matter.
Negan and Lucille knowing that you turn after you die could just be down from experience we don't know how long it was just them, perhaps there where others be they quickly died off.
Am I the only one who became a huge die hard Nrgan fan WAY WAY WAY earlier in Season 10 than "Here's Negan"?
Hell for me it was probably Season 9 now that I think about it, although even when he was a villain I thought he was a really compelling one. (His walkie talkie talk with Rick after Carl died in 8.) Even in 7 you started seeing hints at his compassion and humanity, 6 is the only Season where he's 100% pure evil and that's only case he's literally only in the final 10 minutes LOL
For me, it’s one of the best episodes ever, maybe in my top five. That stuff you explained at the end about the authors maybe forgetting the timeline of The Walking Dead, I think it’s not true. I think they just wanted to be a little bit more mysterious… who knows, maybe someone died and they saw he turning into a zombie. They add just a little bit of a mystery in his past. We, because I’m an author too, we don’t have to explain everything… you can imagine it and for you as a viewer it’s more exciting..
I was gonna say why assume they didn't know. Because Rick found out later doesnt mean negan and Lucille didn't. Maybe negan saw someone get stabbed or something during the begging of the zombie apocalypse I'm actually a bit more surprise that ricks group didn't see someome get killed earlier I'd be expected alot of people to kill each other when the world ends.
one of the best episodes.
Yep
As much as I love this episode, am I the only one who thinks it’s really weird that after Rick cut Negans throat, no one picked up his bat from under that tree. Like, wouldn’t Rick at least want to destroy that thing for all the pain it caused? And in the eight or so years after the war no random survivor walked past that tree and decided to keep it?
I found it weird none went back to get it but at least negan got to see Lucille one more time 😢
wasn't there a scene where Carol tells Negan that they buried it here?
episode genuinely made me cry and kinda understand how Negan ended up where he did in s7
What I noticed avout the show, that most people probably didnt. Is that no 2 characters share the same name, everybody has a unique name
More or less, I get what you're saying, but in such a big world, this is applied mostly to major characters to make them unique. Still, good observation.
In the comics there's 2 Tara's one is Tara chambler and there's other is the one in the saviours. But they changed the 2nd Tara to arat in the show so people wouldn't get confused
"Please dont leave me like this" Was so fucking heart breaking. It wasnt a reference to her becoming a walker and wanting Negan to kill her, it was her thinking in her last moments alive that the man she loved had left and abandoned her due to the burden of cancer. At least, thats how I see it. Since, they didnt know the virus was airborne, this makes the most sense in my eyes.
Of course they knew. That's why she tied herself to the bed. She knew she'd turn.
This episode is one of my favorite in TWD series. I just love this actor and his role so much
It’s hard to say but this might genuinely be my favourite episode of the entire show.
When JDM was cast as Negan I punched the air in delight. No one could do that role justice like Morgan. Everything about him screams Negan. It’s like he leapt off the page onto the screen. I always said when Negan first arrived on the show “You may hate him now, but you will love him later.” So far, so good.
Negan was a bad man, then a good man, then a monster, now he’s nothing
When I first saw Negan and his brutal treatment of Glenn, I truly hated his guts, I truly didn't think I could hate any man so much as I hated Negan.....I can honestly say I love Negan now, and he is 1 of my most fav characters in the whole series!!
This episode really great. My wife don't like the character Negan even after he become "good" guy but after this episode, she empathized and understand by Negan became Negan and also make her fall in love to the song "you are so beautiful" by joe cocker.
watching these videos after being a huge twd fan in elementary school and losing interest eventually feels like snooping around on an old friend's instagram to see what they're up to now a days, lol
I thought maybe, “Don’t leave me like this.” Was inferring that she thought he died. Since he took so long she assumed the worst and killed herself. Taking days and considering the circumstances it seemed better than withering away the rest of her days.
Or maybe she killed herself and didn’t want to be left in such a condition. So maybe she wanted to be buried in a normal looking condition and not having a bag on her.
I think they knew already. I mean why wouldn't they people are obviously gonna find out quicker then ricks group it doesn't take much. Witnessing one dead that wasn't by a zombie bite would all it would take. But then again if Lucille new then why wouldn't she have the decency of destroying her own head so negan didn't have to maybe they didn't know and your right who knows.
@@cngotham4111Lucille probably couldn't have destroyed her own head without extreme difficulty. They had a single bullet left and she used it to save Negan earlier. Not to mention that cancer and chemotherapy really take a lot out of you. She was probably too weak to perform any meaningful blunt force trauma.
And as for whether or not they knew about turning even without a bite? Why else would she have restrained herself? If you're under the impression that only bites turn you there would be no reason to restrain yourself if you're going to die fully.
Honestly I don't think this episode really changed people's perspective on Negan's character anymore than his redemption arc during season 10 did. If anything it kind of made it worse because we saw how Negan cheated on his wife, but he did make up for it in the end. What I really think wouldve gone a long way to change the perspective on him is seeing how he formed the Saviors, that's what I really want to see. I think there's two sides to his redemption arc, changing perspective on who he used to be and "justifying" what he did, and saying the man he is now and how he's changed and the things he's done to make up for what he did. After all, you can't have a redemption arc without having first been a villain
Yeah
Seeing how he formed the saviors would just make people cement their negative view of him as then it makes them go “see? He was always an asshole!”
Him cheating on his wife just makes him flawed and realistic. They made the right call as did Kirkman when he first wrote it.
I think it was supposed to but I agree, it wasn’t really good enough as a true explanation of his behavior. Still a good episode but nothing about it made me say “so that’s why he’s a homicidal tyrant, makes sense” ….bc it doesn’t 😂
I also always found it beyond cringe that he named that bat after her, like it’s just a shitty way to honor/remember your wife, IMO
We didn’t and still don’t need a story of forming the saviors bc we already know the kinda shit they were doing. There’s a lot of people who think that if we had followed Negan and the saviors from the get go instead of Rick, then we’d see them differently and that makes no sense to me.
@@daniig62 I think it'd be just be really interesting to see how it came to be and what his thought process going into it actually was.
It was also cringe how Negan struggled with killing a walker and didn't want to kill people, and then he took out a whole camp of guys by himself, with the power of... grief?
@@bishbosh4815 yeah it would be interesting I just meant it would be pointless towards the goal of making the audience see him or the saviors differently.
Really good point about Lucille at the end. It's a shame this was overlooked, because it's one of the most interesting things about the world imo; that everyone starts off not knowing.
I mean they could have just seen someone die before hand. It's not like it was the first hour of the apocalypse or anything. I don't see any error or anything I thought by that message on the wall it just proves they already saw someone get killed and then get turned.
i like to think that she meant "dont leave me like this" as in bury her
@Frost_Rhino64 she tied herself to the bed. She knew she would turn.
Great episode, truly and great acting too
I took it as her not wanting to be alone. Reminded me a bit of The English Patient.
I remember in Fear the Walking Dead people knew very early on that if you die, you turn, so they could have found out about it before.
I thoroughly enjoy this episode and honestly (this might be a hot take), I really wouldn’t have minded if this ended up being the last we saw of Negan. He gets rid of the bat like in the comics and then goes on to do his own thing after helping the group.
Personally, while still liking his presence and quite a few of his scenes, I feel like s11 tried TOO hard to prove to us that he was a “good guy” now rather than just being the morally grey anti-hero. Still not too keen on the new pregnant wife thing either, especially with it being introduced offscreen (though I don’t mind Annie herself as a character)
Wrong opinion
Great video. I’d love for you to go over the episode Here’s Not Here. I think it’s a really good episode and largely underrated. I love Eastman’s character and I love Lennie James’s acting
Here’s Not Here is actually my favorite episode of television history…and I will say Here’s Negan is pretty good too
I think different people figured things out at different rates. It's not impossible to assume that Negan and Lucille witnessed people turning without being bitten by this point. Unlikely sure, because they were pretty isolated, but still.
People don't even remember Abraham died.... He's the guy who killed GLEN🤣🤣
As always, great video Thrifty
6:10 I'd like to point out the dog food sandwich meal connection here, with Daryl being forced eat them when he was captured.
Why would Lucille and Negan *not* know about turning when they die? It's 7 months into the apocalypse lmao
Amazing video! Great episode
He bashed in the heads of innocent people with a bat named after her. I’d be pissed, I just can’t decide how she would have taken it. She supported him but she was also quick with a “quit your bullshit”, I don’t think she’d appreciate it or his “wives” in their questionable consent. I would love an alt take on the survivors by Kirkman, what would have been Negan’s fate if she lived? What would have happened if Rick was killed by him instead of Abraham or Glenn? While I have grumbles with certain things, it shows a well written set of characters for people to continue to talk about them.
This may have been the best singular episode of this whole show, it even works as a self contained story for those who've never actually seen the show , they could hypothetically just watch this episode and get something from it
I honestly thought "don't leave me like this" meant that she assumed Negan had finally abandoned her, and "don't leave me like this" meant don't leave her in that state. I just assumed she'd written it more in hopelessness rather than actually assuming Negan would ever return and have to kill her walker self
This channel is single handedly getting me back into TWD. I stopped watching after Carl died because I am a TWD comic fan and killing him pissed me off.
Judith was a solid replacer. Her and negan have great chemistry in the show. Also Ricks farewell was probably the best episode of the series id at least recommend you watching til he leaves.
Its just fascinating how well JDM portrays Negan. I cant imagine anyone else as Negan now.
Negan is the reason why I never gave up on TWD even after the writing went downhill
Same but the writing did get better I liked the whispers arc for an example. But yes when the show was at the worse at least there was the funny as negan.
i think why heres not here wasnt reveived that good was because it is the episode after glenn's dumpster death and we all needed to see that but we got an morgan episode instead :P
This was a amazing episode and It makes you sad majority of the time. It's what truly shows what love a man has makes a man different
He was an amazing character and I really enjoyed learning more about him as well as seeing his story arc. None of that changed the fact that I disliked him lol.
I’m pretty sure they’ve mentioned and we have seen that some characters knew from the start that dying turns you regardless. In the comic universe, Lee Everett’s group figured it out canonically before Rick even woke from his coma when Ben told them who had to have learned even sooner than that. Also I’m Fear, many characters and groups knew from the get-go that dying means turning. No explanation is cause for concern to an extent but it could’ve been in the realm of possibilities that they just knew like many others did
I’ve always loved Negan as a character because he exemplified the reality of what it took to survive in that world. His methods are barbaric, but only to the sensibilities of a modern world. When chaos reigns, people tend to lash out wildly if they’re not held together by a charismatic leader, and often times fear is the best motivator given the alternative.
And people seem to forget that Rick’s group really weren’t any better than the saviors. They charged into that satellite station and killed dozens of people with very little information about them. For all they really knew, Hilltop could have been lying about who the saviors were and what they did.
Rick also planned to take Alexandria by force had it come to that and the reasoning he was using was basically what Negan did, “you’re too weak to survive without me”
Ricks group werentvillians at all but negan was a rapist and murdered because he enjoyed it
In the first few episodes I really wanted Negan dead, but after a little, I started to love his charisma and sarcasm, and the way he would laugh at such big threats and still end up on top, just one amazing written character and tied with rick for my favorite of the entire show, with Daryl in second of course.
This was such a great episode. It showed so much character development background to negan. I cant imagine this episode not being made. So it's crazy it wouldn't have been made without covid.
Homie got the Raid Shadow Legends ad in a video. Get that bag my dude! You deserve it! Congrats!!!
also, i think negan and lucille saw people die and turn without getting bit, because how else would she know that she was gonna turn
15:10 I think Lucille wrote that on the door because she didn’t want to die alone. She must’ve been in so much pain and begged Negan to stay with her for what time she had left. She likely ended her own life after a long time of extremely intense cancer pains and such that she just couldn’t take it anymore. She likely only stayed alive as long as she could out of hopes just to see Negan one last time, but sadly her cancer was just too much to bear any longer.
It's also completely possible that Negan & Lucille learned that the virus was airborne earlier than Rick's group did.
There's no indication in the episode that they DON'T know.
Love the fact they’re actually married in real life. Husband and wife on screen together!
I hate Negan only because of how much he changed the course of the group, but he is easily my top 3 characters in the whole series. I also enjoy how they didnt completely bastardize him later on. I think him building a relationship with Judith was a great way to start his redemption arc instead of some cliché random change of heart.
Here’s something you probably didn’t know about. They actually did a comic book issue on the storyline like a decade ago. Lol in fact, there was a lot of channels that talks about The Walking Dead back when season seven first happened that we thought we were gonna get a very similar episodes of his back in season seven to help paint a better picture of Negan.
I just assumed they both knew people turn into walkers after they die. Maybe in those 7 months since the outbreak they saw people die and comeback without being bitten. Everyone finds out a different way.
When seeing how Negan acted with the wisperers and in Alexandra I liked him, “Heres Negan” make me love him
I actually didn't mind the carol episode where she chased a rat around the house. It was a fun little waste of time like any filler episode and its not like the other episode from the extra ones added anything anymore than that one did,
That dead of the night round change music was really nice
Man, I loved Negan, shortly after he had Carl at the compound he became one of my favorites
I thought by the end was that she meant don't leave me while she's like this (dying of cancer). Instead of trying to keep going out to try and find a way to keep her alive, that he should spend the little time they have left together.
I think they knew because they must have been with a friend in the beginning that died by either getting killed by another human or natural causes and they knew they hadn’t been bit, so they probably just knew before ricks group did.
I loved this episode. The scene where he comes back and finds her dead is brilliant. When my fiance and I watched it we both started crying. And he's a good ole boy from Appalachia, not some ponce. But it was such a great scene, we were undone.
Really the whole episode is excellent
"please don't leave me like this" means don't just disappear unceremoniously and leave me in a sickly, vulnerable state. you could totally see a message like that being written even without a zombie apocalypse tbh, it's not a reference to any foreknowledge of turning into a zombie
One of my favorite episodes in the series and I only just barely watched all of it initially entirely like this month
I love how they had an Iron Maiden poster in the background! This episode made me very emotional I don’t wanna lose my partner so I can’t image what he went threw losing Lucille.