Charging a VW ID.4 at a Tesla Supercharger!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 มี.ค. 2023
- We made our way up to Brewster, NY to give the newly retrofitted Tesla supercharger a try. The included "magic dock" allows for non-tesla EV's to charge at superchargers. It was an interesting and exciting experience! Please also check out the fantastic video done by Consumer Reports linked below!
Consumer Reports video: • Charging non-Tesla EVs...
The actual charging starts at 7:33. You’re welcome. 😉
I'm a tesla owner, and I am actually very excited about this
Me too!
Me2, it is almost like legacy automakers are trying to destroy EV adoption by implementing half-baked beta charging protocols, turning most non-Tesla EVs local area grocery getters. Another huge letdown by some is the location of the charge port behind the front wheel well, making dangerously long cables a necessity, so Taycan, F150 owners will not be able to charge here.
Pretty cool you were featured on Consumer reports. Shame they didn't link to your channel.
Thanks! Haha I said the exact same thing
We have a 2021 VW ID4 RWD Pro S and absolutely love it. That being said, you're right; EA sucks. We also have a 2022 Tesla Model 3 and aren't thrilled about Tesla opening up SuperChargers to non-Tesla vehicles but it's really a necessity to accelerate the adoption of EVs. We charge at home 99% of the time and will continue to use EA with our ID4 because it's free for 3 years of unlimited charging but the Tesla charging experience is way, way better. Great video.
Agreed 100%. Thanks for the comment!
I rented a Tesla model 3 and loved it. I do like the ID.4 looks. Can you tell me which you prefer & why. After driving the Tesla, I can’t imagine any other manufacturer beating Tesla for the overall experience & charging ease .. but I do like the VW looks better. would love to hear how you like the ID4 vs the Tesla. And the drawbacks of each Thx 🙏
@@carpediem4413Overall the VW is the better car. However Tesla has the better battery and software is also a little smoother. I would still prefer the VW though
VW ID.4 Pro S AWD. I charged at that charger twice on Sunday. Worked great both times. Second time I was at a lower SOC and the temperature was warmer so I saw charging speeds of around 105kw. I was pretty happy with that. Hope we start to see more magic docks soon.
Nice! 👍
Thanks for pointing out that when the adapter unlocks, you push the plug in before you pull it out. So many guys doing this just yank and yank on the plug to take it out, and then say, that was hard. No, you're not paying attention. I'm afraid some people might start damaging the adapter/plug yanking on it like that.
Yeah I agree. There needs to be some sort of signage or something to make it more obvious. Really people just need to pay attention bc the app does tell you to push in, then pull.
I notice the interior of your car is incredibly quiet. I like that a lot.
It is indeed. VW did an amazing job of limiting wind noise. Meanwhile the model three sounds like we are on the deck of an active aircraft carrier. Recent Tesla models have gotten much better, but the older ones like ours have awful cabin noise
Great video! I watched MKBHD's video about this the other day and then subscribed to State of Charge's channel because he was at the same spot. Then I got recommended your video and you're at the same charging spot MKBHD was at! Been looking to get an EV here soon and between VW ID.4 and Volvo XC40 Recharge. Keep up the good work!
V4 with longer cables and 800V architecture, which current Teslas cannot take full advantage of, will solve that. They just opened the first location with them in Denmark. For the time being, on V3 and V2, a simple cable extension will do.
Oh man I would be ecstatic if they rolled out v4 superchargers here. Longer cables, centered in the middle of the parking spot.. that would immediately solve so many issues.
Great job ! Just picked up our ID4 today :). Does Tesla sell an adaptor plug that you can use their fast chargers ( which haven’t been retrofitted to CCS 1 ) yet ?
I live in Rockland County NY. Saw you going over the Mario Cuomo bridge on your way to Brewster. I use the orangeburg EA station that is close to my house and yesterday got 152 KW at 19% and 40 min of driving in. Been to Philly, Boston etc and never an issue yet. I know your from NJ and they have a lot of EA stations too. Looking forward to more of these magic docs to open once my three year free charging is over with EA but I'm actually good with EA and my L2 Chargepoint at my house.
How much was it to fill it up? How long did it take and how far can it go in miles , fully charged or at 80%, thanks.
You may know by now, the new Supercharging stations do have longer cords and I believe the stations are centered in the spots as well
Yep the brand new v4 supercharger not only had a longer cable, but is centered in the parking space. Man I hope they roll out a million of those!
They are only doing 3500 not all the network will be open. Contrary to youtube the super chargers are not everywhere. Lots of towns don’t have them. And they are not always working.
Valid points. The rollout of Magic Docks will be slow, and you are correct that only a fraction of total superchargers will be retrofitted, but it’s an exciting start. Also true that Superchargers aren’t “everywhere”, but it sure feels like it. There are over ten x the number of superchargers compared to EA, and they are being built out at a torrid pace. Also, they are wayyyyy more reliable than EA. Occasionally one or two out of twelve superchargers at a station will be down, whereas about a third or half of all EA chargers seem to be down at any given time.
I own an ID.4 and use EA stations in a north Tampa location and it always works. I guess I am lucky 😮
You are lucky! Your may also be new. The newer ones are pretty reliable.
Fast forward to 7:30 for the actual hands on.
longer cables are needed indeed which i hope they roll out v4 chargers
The v4 chargers that just got built in I think the Netherlands have super long cables and are centered in the parking space. It’s a great design and I hope like crazy they build thousands of them here!
@@OlsonFamilyElectricAdventures yep lol so i don't block a spot with my mach e lol 😂
The solution to charging port location is for all other manufacturers to copy the market leader on both location and plug type.
You are 100% correct. It burns me up to no end that the whole industry didn’t use the Tesla design, which Tesla literally begged them too.
Well you have your wishes granted Sir. I personally think the best format is similar to gas stations - as in - drive through. With a little more space in each bay, then the inevitable towed all electric caravan or trailer can also be a breeze. Think of a Lightship with depleted battery. Drive up and both caravan and car charge up simultaneously by inductive (Wireless) means. That, I think is the probable future of EV charging.
You have cars parked in 1A and 1B charging? That could be the issue with the reduced charge rate? I thought I heard that VW could pull the full 125+ (depending on model and SW version)?
The ID.4 is capable of 125, in fact some of the newer ones are pulling 135. Weather and like you said sharing the same charger pair can affect speed.
Right side is the wrong side left side is the right side. Per Bjorn Nylund.
When Bjorn said that, he was not in his right mind.
Lol I’m ok with either side as long as it’s a standard across all automakers
ID.4 First edition is just a beautiful car. It is a collector item.
Agreed 100%. Their design team did an amazing job.
How long did the charging take??
So how long it takes to charge full?
Can I acttually buy that adapter? Where to buy?
How does an ID.4 owner without a Tesla use the Tesla app? The app seems to want a vehicle to be added before it gives the “Charge a non-Tesla” option.
Does your app identify if a particular Tesla charging station offers charging of other brands?
Yep, on the Tesla app you can search for superchargers that allow CCS chargers 👍
Wow, Electrek guy doppelganger!
Lol what??
Electrify America network is really good. I have used them at few different locations in California and they are good. Not at all bad.
I don’t doubt that there are some great ea stations on the west coast. The newer ones are nice. Come try some of the older ones on the east coast and it’s a different story.
By the way, there's a cut out on your CCS plug that fits over a notch on your charge port door. Just saying...
Thanks!
Hi nice car..how long it took you to do 50%.. I rented a model 3 and it took 15 minutes from 35 to 85
It varies widely depending on the charger speed. 30% to 80% probably averages about 20 minutes
Change the Parking Stall lines.. so that the charger is in the Middle, should allow enough room for the cable to reach either side of a vehicle.
I always hear that many - if not most - Tesla owners in the US bought it because of the Supercharger network. Here in North-Western Europe, the availability of chargers is almost never an issue: There is a huge amount of good non-Tesla supercharging networks, often closer to highways than Tesla chargers. Therefore I think/hope it's just a matter of time before also in the US, people don't have to select a car based on the charging network!
By the way, that Tesla Superchargers are now opening up is nice (here in the Netherlands already hundreds of Tesla Superchargers are open for other cars), but it is also a profit-driven decision: they simply want to get a piece of the pie that competing charging networks would otherwise get.
A happy Skoda Enyaq iV80 owner (the sister car of your WV ID.4, not available in the US)
Yes, part of purchasing a Tesla is also because of the great supercharging at work however, with 350 miles of range, and a daily commute of 40 miles, that was no reason to purchase the car. I purchased the Tesla because it is better in every single way.
Yeah the supercharger network is a huge advantage here in the US. It’s the number one reason by far that I recommend Tesla. It’s makes traveling so much less stressful.
greetings from ireland how do you like your id4 i have mine 9 months and to be honest i wish id bought the kia ev6
Greetings from across the pond! We love the looks and comfort and performance, but the software is awful. It’s very glitchy and laggy and we constantly have to restart the touchscreen. I’ve heard newer models have gotten better though.
ID 4 will beat ev6 in term of practicality. ID 4 is a better family car: taller and roomier cabin and boot, higher seating position, etc
Can I ask why you are lamenting getting the ID4 over the EV6?
The delivery time for the EV6 I had on order crept from 3 months to over a year. After waiting 6 months and being advised of a third revision in the estimate of delivery, I decided on the GV60 which I was able to get in 8 weeks by putting a deposit on at the Fully Charged UK Live 2022 Show Farnborough and selecting one of their highly spec’d pre-configured stock models. RWD Premium model fully loaded- I’m a very happy customer.
@@Antiguan_Dart Like i mentioned in term of practicality the ID 4 got the edge against the EV6. ID 4 is a more SUV than the EV6. Like i mentioned taller boot, higher seat position and roomier cabin. The EV6 might look sportier and from i ve heard faster if you get the GT version.
@@OlsonFamilyElectricAdventures
May I ask what model year is your ID4? I’ve seen a lot of comments about glitchy software but I also saw comments that those issues were resolved in the latest s/w update or in the current model year, ie., 2023.
You'll occasionally find a charging point that's not working over here in Europe, but it doesn't sound anywhere as bad as the US.
Non Tesla chargers here in the US are garbage. It’s gradually getting better though
As a Tesla owner, I think this is great. But you CCS drivers be aware that the parking space you use to charge maybe the space a Tesla might use to use another supercharger because your charging port is in a different location than a Tesla. (Volvos and Polestars especially welcome because their charging ports are in the same as the Tesla charging port.) In other words, you're using/blocking 2 superchargers. Be creative in the way you park for using a supercharger if you're not a Volvo/Polestar. .... And you parked in a great place to solve this problem.
Definitely. I hate when charging spots are blocked, and I would hate to do that to someone else.
Is it using a Tesla Magic dock or Tesla Super charger ?.
The magic dock is built into the charger.
The solution is for all manufacturers to adopt charge ports on the left-rear…where it belongs!
Agreed!! 👍
V4 superchargers are fixing this issue with longer cables
When you drive on the right side of the road like most of the world, the right rear would make more sense so it's on the sidewalk side of the car when you park it.
Electric car is really not good solution, fuel cell has been the best solution for all kind of vehicles (not onle small passenger cars but also trucks etc), as usual humanity is manipulated by a bunch if guys who mandate people to be connected a network to increase the tracibility and control like credit cards)..
@@tolgasari5691 no it's not. You're clueless and naive if you think you cannot be tracked with a hydrogen car. It doesn't even make sense.
Fuel cells are only suitable for specific situations. For everybody else, battery tech is advancing waay to fast for fuel cell to catch up anyway.
What speeds did you get?
If I recall correctly, I think we got up to around 125kw, which is pretty much max speed for the id4
What the app name? Tessie?
Electrify America must time their charges are down.
Such an unsafe way to hold the steering wheel. At speeds of 70-80 mph your reaction time if a situation develops on the road will be so late.
Good catch and you are correct. Will definitely be more cognizant of that in the future 👍
I bought a Tesla as in Canada it is far worse than CCS charging in the USA, love the Supercharger network, thank you Tesla!
The supercharger network is AMAZING 👍
I don't understand the Japanese. Do not be surprised if they insist in having their charger ports in the worse position possible as far as Tesla charger go.
As a fellow ID.4 owner in an aera with extremely limited non-Tesla public charging, how do we know when we can use a local Tesla Super Charger? The fastest adoption rate to me would be to just open all Tesla Super Chargers and let each owner bring his own Tesla to J1772 Adapter and to have the connected charger activated at the time of charging. Seems simple enough, although I know that it's not a perfect solution and some will try using the wrong adapters. It's just tough to keep waiting with seemly no way of knowing what will happen when 😞 Thanks for the review and God bless,
It’s definitely frustrating. I think the rollout of retrofitted tesla superchargers will be pretty slow. They can be found on the tesla app as well as tesla.com/supercharger. A Tesla to ccs adapter would be amazing. Tesla to j1772 wouldn’t work because j1772 is designed for slower amps and wouldn’t be able to handle it, but I know what you mean. The dream would be for the charging experience to be like filling up gas, like how all pumps are the same.
@@OlsonFamilyElectricAdventures Thanks for information. I'm almost 3 months in and still love being an EV owner, will probably never go back to a gas car as my primary. I finally had our Level 2 charger installed about a month ago and that has been life changing. Thanks again for the information and for taking time to respond, because I know we are all busy with life. God bless.
@@OlsonFamilyElectricAdventures Thanks for the link, but still no real clarity on non-Tesla chargers. I have a home charger now, so life is good. However, there is going to come a time when I will take that road trip. It is to Telsa's advantage for roll out slower because people like me will seriously consider making the switch to Tesla just to gain access to the Super Charger Network 😞
For me, the price premium of an EV is the primary reason I wouldn’t buy one. I live in a house, so charging wouldn’t be an issue. However, an ID.4 is almost $10k more than an similarly equipped Tiguan… which also has a nicer interior. Once that price gap is eliminated, I’m all for buying an EV. Unfortunately, I’m worried that gap will be eliminated by the ICE vehicles becoming more expensive.
Sticker price is only one part of the equation. Remember you also won’t be paying for gas, and maintenance is almost non existent. For example the total cost of ownership of a model 3 is almost identical to a Toyota Carolla. If you charge at home, you are filling up for pennies.
Tesla will do the old "bait n switch." Once you're hooked on using their stations, they will raise the prices on the non-Teslas charging at them. Then you'll think twice about using them.
No I won’t, I’ll happily pay up for the convenience, speed, and reliability. Also, I probably will have traded in the ID.4 for a Model Y by then. I also honesty doubt they will raise prices. They have the massive scale to undercut everyone else (assuming there ever is competition in the charging space) to retain business and still make a killing.
Why is the CCS adapter so dam BIG. They will probably only open up locations based on utilization. This is a huge win for Tesla. They get $$ on the front end and then get Biden bucks on the back end.
The ccs connection is ridiculously big. Tesla’s design for their own cable is much better. They lobbied the rest of the auto industry way back in the early days of the model S to make the Tesla design a universal standard. They opened up their patents and everything. But ccs already existed and the legacy companies just ran with it. Very frustrating bc the Tesla design is so much better.
CCS incorporates the J1772 standard plug along with the 2 primary DC lines. It's big as they still use the comm pins in the J1772 to communicate between the vehicle and the charging station.
The CCS connector was designed by ICE manufactures marketing departments to discourage EV adoption.
If you payed attention they said only 3500 up until 2025 .
You can complain about ccs all you want it is staying. Get rid of the id 4 and get a model 3 if you can’t handle it. I have chademo for almost 9 years and I can handle it . They voted to keep the standard. Too many cars have it already. They said version 4 will have longer cables . Tesla wanted money so other shouldn’t have to adapt to them . They were not the first mass market ev. Europe added a ccs cable. This is just teslas way to get quick money. They didn’t think about the short cables. I hate when new ev owners make videos about how everone else is wrong because they are different. I. Like pulling in frontwards and my port is right there. All of us non Teslas got along great at my ea today. We had lucid air , 2 I.d 4s and a Mercedes ev. Every one plugged in fine . I drove in front words. We didn’t have dc chargers in my city 9 years ago with people bashing one network when most times it’s user error or bad planning for backup up chargers. And the watch Kyle Connor who is young rich and complains all the time.
Tesla is becoming more of an Energy supplier than an EV supplier..
I agree. And I think that’s intentional. I think their long term goal is to basically be a giant energy company.
None of the eight Tesla charge stations in the USA presently open to non-Tesla vehicles is within a thousand miles (1,613 km) of me, so until and unless there is change in policy they are irrelevant. And don't forget to mention that the Tesla app costs $5 monthly or $50 annually.
Yeah there aren’t many that have been retrofitted. It’s still in the early stages. But they plan to retrofit thousands of stations. We will see how it goes. Hopefully evgo, ChargePoint, and EA pick up the pace rolling out new (and reliable) ccs stations.
Don’t understand why the charging port is on the passenger side. That really doesn’t make any sense.
You can make a case for pretty much any location. I think the logic behind putting it on the passenger side is when you park on the street, the safer side away from traffic is the passenger side. I just wish all automakers would agree on one location.
mach e owners have to park crooked and block a stall lol ford with their dumb design on where to put the charge port
"have to park crooked?" I thought they just had terrible vision.
@@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck yep my charge port is on the driver side door in the front unlike tesla where you back in and on the driver side door in the back the cable is too short to reach for the mach e. tesla needs to release longer cables for ccs cars trucks etc
Yeah the charge port location on some cars makes no sense!
Can’t happen fast enough. Maybe Tesla will make the other companies to smarten up. Most are total crap.
Agreed 100%
You are in trouble mate my European car mechanic friend is super wealthy he advised me never buy a modern German car or ev they are expensive money pits they break and parts are a rip off and when you sell you lose truckloads love the sound of the V8 as it went passed you. You should move to a 15 minute city you will fit right in 😂😂
I think your mechanic friend is envious. My creators' M-B doesn't break and parts are quite reasonable - cost less than parts for American cars (we have one or those too).
Your friend sounds like he just doesn’t like EVs, because all of that is objectively false. There is almost zero maintenance on EV’s.
GET A TESLA!!! Why deal with all these problems with other cars? A short charge cord. Taking up two parking spots with your non-Tesla automobile, half of charge America's charging stations down, only half the Tesla chargers set up to charge other car brands. Good grief !! Just get a Tesla!!
Total BS... go to any Tesla SuperCharger on a vacation or holiday weekend, and look at how long the lines already are.... Las Vegas, Baker, Barstow superchargers have huge lines already.... you think they want to see a VW ID4 in line with them? 48 cents per kilowatt at what 2.5 miles per KW? 19.2 cents per mile. Whats your time worth sitting around charging? I have a perfectly good Passat turbodiesel that's about 8 cents per mile and I'm filled up and ready for another 700 to 800 miles in 5 minutes at the pump, hardly enough time to wash my windshield. Speaking of which, no windshield service while recharging.
One thing that would help with your video is for you to talk less.
This is just to much talk about nothing
Lol you’re probably right. We had fun though. Thanks watching
Overhead chargers would help 👏🏼👏🏼⚡️🤨✅
Charge ports should be front and center on all EV"S. Why nissan doesn;t refit the leaf with nacs is beyond me.