been playing the tour 90 stiff for the past 3yrs, and absolutely love them! switched from a much heavier true temper shaft, picked up 20-30 yds with almost every iron. won't be changing these anytime soon.
Am viewing this again 6 months later. This time I really listened to what Danny was saying about the 120 gram shafts causing him to come out of posture and stand up, creating thin hits. Well he is young and has a swing speed of 88-89 with a 7 iron. I happen to be 82 this coming June and have a swing speed of 75 with my 7 iron. But the shafts I currently play are Royal Precision Rifle Lite stiff flex weighing 120 grams. So it will be no surprise to you to hear that I have some of the same problems only more so. Was working on exactly that during a lesson today. I play Chicago Classic by Evans Design forged blades with a 7 iron head weighing 270 grams with 34.5 loft. They closely resemble Mizuno MP-33s like the ones I had in the past. Evans was the director of tour operations for MacGregor Golf year ago and had his own small company from 1987-95 that did forgings in Taiwan. I now want to have a second set of the same heads made up with a lighter shaft more appropriate for my age and swing speed. So I am researching shafts intensely together with the pro at my range who is also their club builder who made my set. Since there is no fitting cart for these heads I bought a Nippon Pro Zelos 7 stiff shaft that weighs 77 grams and he made a 7 iron with a Golf Pride MCC+4 grip. I can swing that faster and get 5 yards more distance, but it may be too light, and with the heavier grip the swing weight is D-0 compared to D-4 with the Rifle Lite shafts. So I have now bought a Zelos 8 stiff shaft that weighs 87.5 grams and will have another 7 iron made to see how that works. But today he also wanted me to try a Nippon Modus 3 105 shaft and a KBS C-Taper Lite shaft. However, these had to be paired with TM P790 heads that are quite different than my heads. But looking at Danny's results again, I now want to try a KBS $ Taper Lite, probably in regular flex at 95 grams. Seems like that would provide faster ball speed and higher launch and spin and longer distance than the C-Taper Lite while being a better weight for me than the Zelos 8.
Interesting! I was recently fit for clubs for the first time and was fit for TM p790’s on C-Taper lites. Those shafts seemed to be the most stable feel and allowed some faster swing speed for me. Looking forward to picking them up soon and giving them a try
@@GregoryKarambelas The P790 and C-Taper Lite is a combo that the pro and club builder I go to just had me try. He felt that shaft worked better for me than a Nippon Modus 4 105. Were yours stiff or regular flex? He only had stiff at that time but wanted to look for a regular. Did your fitter compare the C-Taper Lite with the $-Taper Lite for you?
@@johnk.atchley5079 mine are the stiff flex. We also tried the $ Taper Lite but my dispersion overall was better with the C-Taper Lite. It felt more solid and comfortable at least for me. I was actually flying the ball really high in general so the fitter and I agreed we didn’t want to go with something else that gets the ball even higher than I was already hitting them!
The KBS Tour-V is one of the stiffest-feeling shafts available, for those physically stronger players who prefer that kind of feel. Its overall feel is stiffer in the butt and mid-section of the shaft, with a more active tip. The Tour-V comes in 100g/110g/120g shaft weight options + the heavier 125g/130g tour weight options. For reference, Viktor Hovland uses the 120g version for all his irons and the 130g version in all his wedges, while Phil Mickelson, who the Tour-V was originally co-designed with and made for, uses the 125g version across the board for all his irons and wedges. The dispersion is generally very tight on the Tour-V shaft, and it basically acts like a straight point-and-shoot sniper rifle, assuming you possess a half-decent golf swing of course.
Not sure if Thomas or Danny will see this comment since this review was done in December 2021. However, I have been looking on the KBS website for the Tour 90 and it does not appear. I think they replaced it with the Tour Lite in 2022, which weights 95 grams in regular flex, 100 in stiff and 105 in X stiff. From what I see on the Internet, the two were very close in weight. It would be really cool if you could update this shaft comparison. Especially if you could use two hitters, one like Danny or Thomas who has high club speed, and another with naturally lower swing speed who could test the same set of shafts in regular flex. I think this would be worth the effort and time as KBS shafts are so popular that it really helps potential buyers to know the different results. It might even encourage potential buyers to come in for fittings because even if it looks like one shaft would be ideal for a given player, actual fitting might show that another model that did not perform as well for your tester in fact performed a bit better for the customer. Even if you go on KBS and use their fitting system, you will get 6 results with up to 4 different models and flexes, with one ranked as the best fit, but with the next three actually being just as highly ranked. And factors like you telling KBS whether you are an early, late or mid releaser and whether your tempo is smooth, moderate or quick, are subjective matters that a professional fitter will be far more able to identify correctly than the player can self-identify. But seeing a great video of the full range will help bring those customers in.
I swing at 80mph and game the tour 90. But have the swingweight at D4. In a game improvement iron. The tour 90 balances the low spin head. The extra SW has balanced the feel but I’m still getting good height and spin. Found my perfect set up especially when I increased the swigweight light shaft combo.
Ordering new Mizunos in the next month or so - Mizuno said that the only shaft line that would possibly create a long lead time were KBS - so to stay clear of those to avoid delays. Have you guys heard the same? Almost avoiding testing any KBS when fitting to hedge bets against lead time delays…
Agreed. I went for a fitting and 20 grams (lighter and heavier) changed everything about my ball flight, distance and accuracy. I was a little surprised at the differece 20 grams made. My "sweet spot" ended up being 75 grams Graphite KBS PGI shafts.
I would recommend the c taper 130x for anyone who swings over 100 mph. I was using x100's before which play more like a stiff than an X. C taper is where it's at if you don't want the ball to overspin and balloon in wind.
The KBS $-Taper also comes in a $-Taper HT (heavy tip) version, which is a lower balanced version of the same shaft for those who prefer a more bottom-heavy swing weight feel. The HT version of the $-Taper only comes in 120g/125g/130g shaft weight options, however.
Would have loved to see the tour V in with these. It's a great shaft that is under the radar when it comes to people knowing anything about it. Cool test none the less.
Agreed. I use the KBS Tour V "HT" 125 wedge shaft, which is the lower balanced version of Phil Mickelson's regular higher-balanced version. The HT version is not available at retail, however, and must be purchased directly from KBS. I also game the $-Taper HT 120 shaft for all my irons, as lower-balanced shafts feel better for me.
Good comparison with KBS shafts but what about his numbers with the MMT graphite shaft to compare against steel would like to see the numbers for comparison 👍🏴
Great video , I’m playing the same head with the C taper 120 and find it hard work at times , I also struggle with thin strikes and posture issues , would a lighter shaft help this ? I’m also very shallow into the ball . Thanks 🙏
great video and good information on KBS shafts that are in the market. what would be the shaft to switch if coming from modus 3 105 regular? I like how the feel of modus 3 105 on the P790 but just wanted something lighter...
LOL - 18:42 (I am sure that this was accidentally Princess Bridey) Heavy weight, is going straight, Very light, is left and right, (I think this is where you became aware of the impending rhyme unfolding like a car crash...could hear it in your voice) Found a good mix, with the $ taper... stix. Okay, okay...I'm not quoting you verbatim, more of an approximation...but I thought it was a highlight - thus, this comment!!! Great video. Well done. [No more rhymes now, I mean it...Anybody got a peanut? PB, 1987]
Selection of a golf shaft is not only the swing speed but more importantly the weight, I hate light, flexible shafts ( however I am classified as R+) because I have a quick transition and the golf club head feels overly heavy, there is no balance in the whole club. The bending profile of a shaft is even more important than the overall stiffness. I as well much prefer flex in the grip than flex in the tip of the golf shaft. It is a pity how many fitters avoid these issues and sticking to a "standard" swing speeds.
For average golfers, older golfers and golfers with slower swing speeds, it would be most interesting if you could review and test the KBS ultra lite steel shafts and graphite shafts.
I currently have ust mamiya 95 graphite shafts in my mizunos rn. Don’t really know my club or swing speed. But as i was in golf galaxy the other day, i was swinging a 3 iron with a KBS 130 x shaft and was striping the ball. Felt absolutely amazing. Would it be bad/crazy to move to those kind of shafts?
I was fitted for a c taper lite 105 regular shaft. Would I feel any difference in the 110 gram shaft? ( I can get it for a lot cheaper than the 105). Thanks
@@kevinconnolly754 I have a couple videos with me swinging KBS C-Taper 130x. My swing speed is 105-108 swing speed with a 9 iron. I can hit 120mph with a 3 iron and my driver swing speed is 130mph-135mph with my Driver. I was running through shafts like crazy. Not an issue with Dynamic Gold
Great video and very interesting. A couple of things which leapt out to me firstly some reviewers talk about traditional lofted irons and the target backspin should be 1000x the iron number. Here the tester was hitting 7 iron around the 5000rpm ish figure, so in theory 2000rpm below what others talk about. The second observation is that he's getting some great balls speeds and carry distances of typically 175 to 180 yards, that's would usually put a guy into the 'X' flex in a lot of fittings. But is this as a result of the low spin?
@@Golf_Hack He's using a Mizuno JPX921 Forged which are 3 deg strong compared to traditional. 31 deg versus traditional of 34 deg so not quite 1 full club strong. So his 7 iron at 31 deg, is 1 deg weaker than a traditional 6 iron..... so if anything his spin rates should be closer to 6000 - 6250rpm. Interesting video though...
Do you find a correlation with swing speed to shaft weight in your fittings? Do you see specifically say a 90 mph swing speed is usually going to pair well with a 90-100 gram shaft weight?
You find a correlation with faster swing speed to a heavier shaft but it's definitely player dependent. The equation of 90 mph to 90gram shaft weight is going to be tough as most shafts are 100-130 grams and the speed of 100-130 mph is very fast. - Thomas
the tour 90's are horrendous for dispersion, just spent 2 years going backwards and never questioned the fitted shaft. changed 3 weeks ago to the C taper 120's and I'm hitting greens in reg like crazy. Dispersion and repeatability is king. the few extra yards from the tour 90 comes at to big a price.
I actually play the Kbs Tour 90s on my Titleist T100 Irons and i love the shaft, since I changed shaft and Irons my dispersion is waaaay lower. I played Taylormade speedblade with an Project X shaft befor, so I guess it really only depends on the player
been playing the tour 90 stiff for the past 3yrs, and absolutely love them! switched from a much heavier true temper shaft, picked up 20-30 yds with almost every iron. won't be changing these anytime soon.
One of the best shaft comparisons I've seen. And with Danny's comparable SS to mine. Great testing guys
Am viewing this again 6 months later. This time I really listened to what Danny was saying about the 120 gram shafts causing him to come out of posture and stand up, creating thin hits. Well he is young and has a swing speed of 88-89 with a 7 iron. I happen to be 82 this coming June and have a swing speed of 75 with my 7 iron. But the shafts I currently play are Royal Precision Rifle Lite stiff flex weighing 120 grams. So it will be no surprise to you to hear that I have some of the same problems only more so. Was working on exactly that during a lesson today. I play Chicago Classic by Evans Design forged blades with a 7 iron head weighing 270 grams with 34.5 loft. They closely resemble Mizuno MP-33s like the ones I had in the past. Evans was the director of tour operations for MacGregor Golf year ago and had his own small company from 1987-95 that did forgings in Taiwan. I now want to have a second set of the same heads made up with a lighter shaft more appropriate for my age and swing speed. So I am researching shafts intensely together with the pro at my range who is also their club builder who made my set. Since there is no fitting cart for these heads I bought a Nippon Pro Zelos 7 stiff shaft that weighs 77 grams and he made a 7 iron with a Golf Pride MCC+4 grip. I can swing that faster and get 5 yards more distance, but it may be too light, and with the heavier grip the swing weight is D-0 compared to D-4 with the Rifle Lite shafts. So I have now bought a Zelos 8 stiff shaft that weighs 87.5 grams and will have another 7 iron made to see how that works. But today he also wanted me to try a Nippon Modus 3 105 shaft and a KBS C-Taper Lite shaft. However, these had to be paired with TM P790 heads that are quite different than my heads. But looking at Danny's results again, I now want to try a KBS $ Taper Lite, probably in regular flex at 95 grams. Seems like that would provide faster ball speed and higher launch and spin and longer distance than the C-Taper Lite while being a better weight for me than the Zelos 8.
Interesting! I was recently fit for clubs for the first time and was fit for TM p790’s on C-Taper lites. Those shafts seemed to be the most stable feel and allowed some faster swing speed for me. Looking forward to picking them up soon and giving them a try
@@GregoryKarambelas The P790 and C-Taper Lite is a combo that the pro and club builder I go to just had me try. He felt that shaft worked better for me than a Nippon Modus 4 105. Were yours stiff or regular flex? He only had stiff at that time but wanted to look for a regular. Did your fitter compare the C-Taper Lite with the $-Taper Lite for you?
@@johnk.atchley5079 mine are the stiff flex. We also tried the $ Taper Lite but my dispersion overall was better with the C-Taper Lite. It felt more solid and comfortable at least for me. I was actually flying the ball really high in general so the fitter and I agreed we didn’t want to go with something else that gets the ball even higher than I was already hitting them!
The KBS Tour-V is one of the stiffest-feeling shafts available, for those physically stronger players who prefer that kind of feel.
Its overall feel is stiffer in the butt and mid-section of the shaft, with a more active tip.
The Tour-V comes in 100g/110g/120g shaft weight options + the heavier 125g/130g tour weight options.
For reference, Viktor Hovland uses the 120g version for all his irons and the 130g version in all his wedges, while Phil Mickelson, who the Tour-V was originally co-designed with and made for, uses the 125g version across the board for all his irons and wedges.
The dispersion is generally very tight on the Tour-V shaft, and it basically acts like a straight point-and-shoot sniper rifle, assuming you possess a half-decent golf swing of course.
Thanks for watching, Yes Tour V is a very stout shaft for golfers that generally have some strength - Thomas
Really helpful content. Only recently tried KBS shafts. Pretty settled now on fitting some S Taper Lite S (100) into my gamers. Thank you both.
Not sure if Thomas or Danny will see this comment since this review was done in December 2021. However, I have been looking on the KBS website for the Tour 90 and it does not appear. I think they replaced it with the Tour Lite in 2022, which weights 95 grams in regular flex, 100 in stiff and 105 in X stiff. From what I see on the Internet, the two were very close in weight. It would be really cool if you could update this shaft comparison. Especially if you could use two hitters, one like Danny or Thomas who has high club speed, and another with naturally lower swing speed who could test the same set of shafts in regular flex. I think this would be worth the effort and time as KBS shafts are so popular that it really helps potential buyers to know the different results. It might even encourage potential buyers to come in for fittings because even if it looks like one shaft would be ideal for a given player, actual fitting might show that another model that did not perform as well for your tester in fact performed a bit better for the customer. Even if you go on KBS and use their fitting system, you will get 6 results with up to 4 different models and flexes, with one ranked as the best fit, but with the next three actually being just as highly ranked. And factors like you telling KBS whether you are an early, late or mid releaser and whether your tempo is smooth, moderate or quick, are subjective matters that a professional fitter will be far more able to identify correctly than the player can self-identify. But seeing a great video of the full range will help bring those customers in.
I swing at 80mph and game the tour 90. But have the swingweight at D4. In a game improvement iron. The tour 90 balances the low spin head. The extra SW has balanced the feel but I’m still getting good height and spin. Found my perfect set up especially when I increased the swigweight light shaft combo.
Ordering new Mizunos in the next month or so - Mizuno said that the only shaft line that would possibly create a long lead time were KBS - so to stay clear of those to avoid delays. Have you guys heard the same? Almost avoiding testing any KBS when fitting to hedge bets against lead time delays…
I been waiting 5 months for kbs shafts on new misunderstandings irons… I’ve heard mizuno will be dropping them
Awesome comparison. Interesting that looking at the plot... he performed the exact same with every shaft except that tour 90 S and 120 S.
This is a great video!! Definitely tells the variances of each shaft profile.
Glad you liked it!
I liked this comprehensive "family suite" shaft test.
Thanks for watching - Thomas
The weight makes such a difference in my swing. Timing, balance, and even activation of different muscle groups.
Agreed. I went for a fitting and 20 grams (lighter and heavier) changed everything about my ball flight, distance and accuracy. I was a little surprised at the differece 20 grams made. My "sweet spot" ended up being 75 grams Graphite KBS PGI shafts.
I would recommend the c taper 130x for anyone who swings over 100 mph. I was using x100's before which play more like a stiff than an X. C taper is where it's at if you don't want the ball to overspin and balloon in wind.
Agree. The C-Taper is a real board and low spinning iron - Thomas
I have the C-Taper Lites in my 921Fs and love how stable they are
The KBS $-Taper also comes in a $-Taper HT (heavy tip) version, which is a lower balanced version of the same shaft for those who prefer a more bottom-heavy swing weight feel. The HT version of the $-Taper only comes in 120g/125g/130g shaft weight options, however.
Thanks for your feedback! Many KBS shaft options once you consider lower balanced versions - Thomas
Would have loved to see the tour V in with these. It's a great shaft that is under the radar when it comes to people knowing anything about it. Cool test none the less.
Agreed. I use the KBS Tour V "HT" 125 wedge shaft, which is the lower balanced version of Phil Mickelson's regular higher-balanced version. The HT version is not available at retail, however, and must be purchased directly from KBS. I also game the $-Taper HT 120 shaft for all my irons, as lower-balanced shafts feel better for me.
I use the tour v 100 regular flex.
Not sure I get everything I could from my mp-15's. But they are very good dispersion wise.
Good comparison with KBS shafts but what about his numbers with the MMT graphite shaft to compare against steel would like to see the numbers for comparison 👍🏴
Thanks for watching. We will have to compare Danny's gamer shafts in future tests. - Thomas
@@2ndswing look forward to that one 👍🏴
I’m in MMT 105 as well (MP20 MMC 5-PW) and a HMB 4i with OTi Taper/Tour 100, love them. Changed from DG X100
Thank you for watching! - Thomas
Great video , I’m playing the same head with the C taper 120 and find it hard work at times , I also struggle with thin strikes and posture issues , would a lighter shaft help this ? I’m also very shallow into the ball . Thanks 🙏
I don't see the Tour 90 on the KBS website under shafts. Have they discontinued it?
great video and good information on KBS shafts that are in the market. what would be the shaft to switch if coming from modus 3 105 regular? I like how the feel of modus 3 105 on the P790 but just wanted something lighter...
LOL - 18:42 (I am sure that this was accidentally Princess Bridey)
Heavy weight, is going straight,
Very light, is left and right, (I think this is where you became aware of the impending rhyme unfolding like a car crash...could hear it in your voice)
Found a good mix, with the $ taper... stix.
Okay, okay...I'm not quoting you verbatim, more of an approximation...but I thought it was a highlight - thus, this comment!!!
Great video. Well done.
[No more rhymes now, I mean it...Anybody got a peanut? PB, 1987]
C taper best one
Selection of a golf shaft is not only the swing speed but more importantly the weight, I hate light, flexible shafts ( however I am classified as R+) because I have a quick transition and the golf club head feels overly heavy, there is no balance in the whole club. The bending profile of a shaft is even more important than the overall stiffness. I as well much prefer flex in the grip than flex in the tip of the golf shaft. It is a pity how many fitters avoid these issues and sticking to a "standard" swing speeds.
But if you go by the best dispresson the ctaper 120 is the best. Right ?
Tightest circle always wins and if it happens to be further up the screen, even better - Thomas
For average golfers, older golfers and golfers with slower swing speeds, it would be most interesting if you could review and test the KBS ultra lite steel shafts and graphite shafts.
Great feedback, we have added more light steel and graphite shaft testing to our list of videos to complete - Thomas
What type of player would use the KBS Tour 80 Stiff?
I currently have ust mamiya 95 graphite shafts in my mizunos rn. Don’t really know my club or swing speed. But as i was in golf galaxy the other day, i was swinging a 3 iron with a KBS 130 x shaft and was striping the ball. Felt absolutely amazing. Would it be bad/crazy to move to those kind of shafts?
I was fitted for a c taper lite 105 regular shaft. Would I feel any difference in the 110 gram shaft? ( I can get it for a lot cheaper than the 105). Thanks
Thanks for watching - Thomas
Does anyone know what kbs shaft is similiar to the amt white s300 shaft ?
Like to see this test with the Nippon line.
Here you go, this video was completed about a year ago: th-cam.com/video/lg7aTNcAMas/w-d-xo.html
I play C-Taper Lite 110, looking forward to the video. I've been thinking of switching for a while.
I am too. Why are you changing?
@@josephwirtz8352 been looking at going to a heavy graphite. Better on the elbows. But for now sticking with them until I get new irons.
@@DaveFogelI keep seeing elbows as a talked about issue on golf WRX and other places, is this legit? Love the feel but not trying to blast my elbows
@@Johnny_smathersgraphite has been great. Never going back to steel. Way easier on elbows
Kids has a great swing!
Thanks for watching - Thomas
No chance you have KBS shafts in stock.
KBS shafts are notorious for the tips bending and breaking
that's BS, i put mine through hell and no damage
@@kevinconnolly754 I have a couple videos with me swinging KBS C-Taper 130x. My swing speed is 105-108 swing speed with a 9 iron. I can hit 120mph with a 3 iron and my driver swing speed is 130mph-135mph with my Driver. I was running through shafts like crazy. Not an issue with Dynamic Gold
@@jameshitsbombs7725 you should be on tour.
Average 9 iron swing speed is 87 mph. 🥺
@@scottmonthony726 I'm actually in the progress of losing some weight. I'm going to try to start doing Monday Qualifiers on the Latin American Tour
I miss Thomas videos
Great video! Where does the “Tour V” line fit into this lineup?
In between c-taper and normal tour; designed to feel like original tour however closer to but not exactly c-taper launch/spin
Great video and very interesting. A couple of things which leapt out to me firstly some reviewers talk about traditional lofted irons and the target backspin should be 1000x the iron number. Here the tester was hitting 7 iron around the 5000rpm ish figure, so in theory 2000rpm below what others talk about. The second observation is that he's getting some great balls speeds and carry distances of typically 175 to 180 yards, that's would usually put a guy into the 'X' flex in a lot of fittings. But is this as a result of the low spin?
He is hitting a 7 iron with the same loft as a traditional 5 iron. So 5000 spin is correct.
@@Golf_Hack He's using a Mizuno JPX921 Forged which are 3 deg strong compared to traditional. 31 deg versus traditional of 34 deg so not quite 1 full club strong. So his 7 iron at 31 deg, is 1 deg weaker than a traditional 6 iron..... so if anything his spin rates should be closer to 6000 - 6250rpm. Interesting video though...
Do you find a correlation with swing speed to shaft weight in your fittings? Do you see specifically say a 90 mph swing speed is usually going to pair well with a 90-100 gram shaft weight?
You find a correlation with faster swing speed to a heavier shaft but it's definitely player dependent. The equation of 90 mph to 90gram shaft weight is going to be tough as most shafts are 100-130 grams and the speed of 100-130 mph is very fast. - Thomas
Very Interesting
Thanks for watching - Thomas
C-Taper vs Modus 120 vs DG120?
Great topic idea! Thanks for watching - Thomas
Weird I’m looking at switching to the $ taper lite in x 105 so this makes me feel better about making that decision
the tour 90's are horrendous for dispersion, just spent 2 years going backwards and never questioned the fitted shaft.
changed 3 weeks ago to the C taper 120's and I'm hitting greens in reg like crazy.
Dispersion and repeatability is king.
the few extra yards from the tour 90 comes at to big a price.
Thanks for the feedback, the results are always player dependent - Thomas
I actually play the Kbs Tour 90s on my Titleist T100 Irons and i love the shaft, since I changed shaft and Irons my dispersion is waaaay lower. I played Taylormade speedblade with an Project X shaft befor, so I guess it really only depends on the player
Distance control was way better on the c-Taper 120 stiff.
Thanks for watching - Thomas
Heavy is good. Heavy is reliable.
If it doesn’t work you can always hit them with it.
You guys need to do a GIVEAWAY for a free fitting
I suggest that you check out all out 2nd Swing Golf social channels we have some giveaways going on around Christmas - Thomas
@@2ndswing thanks. Man and was impressed with that 171+ ball speed 😎. Live streams are awesome
@@2ndswing thanks
Shouldn't he be spinning it around 7000 RPM? It's so low.
Was Danny a wrestler?
Get in the gym bud!
Worst shafts ever bought mine brand new 2 days later they broke
Worst timing video by the boys at 2nd Swing. KBS of all the manufacturers is so backlogged that you won’t get anything for 6 months.
It's a tough time for a lot of shaft manufacturers, lets hope supply issues start to get better soon - Thomas
I literally have to turn volume down cause all I hear is lip smacking and that's 1 of my biggest pet peaves
That was helpful. Thanks.
Just got the $ taper lites 🫰🫰🫰