I kinda love him even more now, the mad bastard, and I'm a Villa fan. I guess his point was to say that spying on training didn't give him a massive edge over the opposition because look at all this other extensive work he's done (which is the kind of prep that any manager can do if they are so inclined) and the spying was just a tiny part of the whole picture. I think it's been way overblown but it seems to be breach of etiquette according to some.
I love Bielsa even more now, old school manager who seems to be constantly revolutionising the game wherever he goes. Morally right or not you can't deny his dedication to the game.
i think the point of doing all of that analysis show and tell is to show that watching the training session really benefited only a small fraction towards the pre game analysis
Bielsa just took revenge on Lampard by exposing his squad information in a minute detail on every single player, for free, to everyone, on national tv, being a trending topic. Evil genius sweet crazy old Bielsa. Gotta love him.
Bielsa was seen at Reading this week delivering all the necessary analysis on Derby prior to their game this weekend. Wonderful guy and so open to helping others....slaughter Derby County and Fat Frank.
Itsi been blown way out of proportion, bielsa knows more about derby than lampard does. Hes showing all these charts and information because that is just how he works, and he can't go to sleep at night without knowing he has done everything in his power to get his team as prepared as possible. Theres so much information you can get from watching videos, someone having a gander through a fence isn't going to tell you much more than you already know apart from maybe confirm what you *do* already know. Nothing more than a slap on the wrist for me, hes done nothing wrong........thats the crux of it, hes done absolutely NOTHING wrong and we have people talking about a points deduction is sheer madness. You can talk all you want about ethics but in the modern game even that gets pushed to its very limit, you only have to see players writhing around in agony after being tapped on the leg to see that.
i feel like bielsa's whole point was to highlight how anxious/obsessive he is and to therefore emphasise how looking at training is just to put his mind at rest that what they have researched is correct. To try to justify his actions by more or less saying, 'we know everything, but we spy on them just to double check'. This is why he said he didn't have bad intentions because in his mind he doesn't learn anything new/gain an advantage from spying, it's simply for peace of mind so he has all the bases covered. if i was a manager that still had to play leeds i would change things up dramatically just to see how he handles coming up against something he wasnt expecting. play your left back on the right wing, go with 6 at the back. it is clear that a huge portion of leeds success this season has come from such critical analysis from bielsa and his team. Keep up the great content Ben
The Bielsa are a well-respected family in Rosario, the city of Messi, the city of the legendary, CHE Guevara. Rafael Bielsa, the brother of Marcelo, was a remarkable Chancellor, in the government of Cristina Kirchner; Maria Eugenia, Marcelo's other sister, is about to run for governor of Santa Fe. Rosario's News Old Boys stadium is called "The Colossus, Marcelo Bielsa, and Bielsa himself has just built and donated a 5-star hotel for the youth of the lower divisions that come from the interior of the country to live. The building, which was secretly built, gave him the name of his mentor, Griffa, before donating it to the club. People love him, and he loves the club of his loves. A crack.
You missed the point. What Bielsa said is he does all he can to gather information of the opposition because it's his job and helps him feel prepared but it really has no effect because players are the protagonists of the game. Take for example what he said about set pieces: he knows it's Leeds biggest flaw but his team still gets scored a lot from set pieces. Also, it's not the first time Bielsa gives a conference like this. He did it in Bilbao after he commited to a candidate in the club elections to show he had prepared for the job and it wasn't an electoral stunt. He's only worried about his work ethic in terms of reputation. He doesn't give a shit about the other stuff.
@@springbean19 But it turns out there were no pliers or boltcutters or ladders, the police even let him go because he was beaking no law by watching Derby from a PUBLIC place. Fat Frank started the pliers rubbish and everyone believed it to be true because he is the media darling and can do no wrong, always better to stick it to johnny foreigner as the English would never do anything under hand (yeh right.) You could feel the xenophobia being spewed out by the usual rent-a -gobs in the press and on tv, it was uncomfortable to watch and read but the 'hey, that's not what we do here' brigade all crawled out from under their stones to have their pound of flesh.
But how was it cheating if no rules have been broken? It's not Bielsa's fault that the other managers are not as thorough as himself with their preperation. Fail to prepare, prepare to fail.@@springbean19
The point is Ben that The EFL, FA and Leeds Utd have a duty of care to their own staff and players and as we saw in our Preview, his need for domination is bound to spill into every area of his management and they might find other victims of other behaviours. If not the end for Bielsa, certainly the beginning of the end? Having searched in depth, I just can’t see a way for him to survive and once the everyday Leeds fans find out about the 1980s and his brother Raphael and his current campaign against the UK, I’m sure some patriots could turn against him. That would be sad for Leeds fans and for football as sport and politics should be kept separate but the national media are bound to be digging deeply and might go big on R Bielsa’s political activities against the UK. Our Leeds Match-Day vlog didn’t mention Spy-Gate once and we received high praise from Leeds fans for our integrity in sticking to the game, keeping the spygate politics out of it. We’re all here for the football at the end of the day. Right, only just back from our trip and win at St Mary’s, so I’m off to celebrate with a glass of Port. Stanley for the Rams in the 4th Round! Who’d have thought? 👍
In your prediction vid, we put 2-0, but we think we could blast a team for a cricket score sooner or later. However, that’s based on having a back 4 again and Huddlestone in mildfield. Can’t overstate how much the lack of a left back affected us from Sheff Utd through to Leeds and we scraped through at Norwich between, so really pleased overall. 👍
Has spying on another team changed the mindset of mid table players last term into league leaders this or was it the coaching skills of bielsa the man obviously gets the best out of the players
You repeated what Derby County said about the “spy” having pliers. The police statement said nothing about pliers. It said: “Officers were called at around 11.20am on Thursday, January 10 to reports of a man acting suspiciously on Morley Road, Derby. A man was found at the perimeter fence of Moor Farm training ground and spoken to. Officers conducted routine checks which were all above board. Despite media reports, no damage to the fence was found, and the man was stopped outside the grounds. No arrests were made and the man was sent on his way.” Police are not allowed to pass on information about what was in his possession to Derby County, so I am not sure where this comes from. You are adding to the misinformation spread by Derby to make it seem more serious. Otherwise it was a good balanced piece. Like your channel
For God's sake, we are talking about a training session in a publicly view-able place. How ridiculous is this? The EFL must have better things to spend their time investigating. Move on.
it is called been a very clever man and proving his data research he does.. by spying in abit of derby training does not give a advantage of any sort but did it as as he specific said is not illegal. his research is far more advanced then seeing abit of poxy derby training.
Rather than tell us what else he does, he should have told us or gave us information or videos from his spying, which would actually help the investigation.
Oliver Goddard could you not grasp the amount of effort that is involved in putting together all the information that he showed us? You don't get that from one person watching a short period of training. He already knew how Derby and probably everybody else in the league takes set pieces not from spying but from information gathering. It would be impossible to get all that information from a quick spying trip by one person, analysis it and explain it to the team. That is what he was trying to get across and just where did the videos come from? nobody else has ever mentioned them.
@@ollygoddard5055 you are an ass. Bielsa needs to leave England. A truly legendary manager being treated like shit. I hope Lampard returns all the medals he won while Villas Boas was spying to aide Chelsea.
Hi Benjamin, as a Derby supporter, Leeds won fair and square. Two things I'll throw into the story. One- a lot of championship clubs who've gone up have cheated through FFP. Two: if you were the owners of Leeds would you trust this guy going forward. He will get a slap on the wrist and that's it. Ipswich should start spying lol.
Steve Clayton why shouldn't they trust him 99.999% of the information he has comes from legitimate sources and having learnt his lesson he won't repeat the error. To be honest I would have thought as a Derby fan you would be a little more concerned that Bielsa has just revealed how he went about beating Derby twice and showed much of the information he has on Derby, their method of play and player information. I'm quite sure that every single manager/coach that Derby have to play for the rest of the season will be studying what they have just been shown.
Hi Stephen-Danny, respect to your comments. To be fair we were shit in both games, even Benjamin's Ipswich would have beaten us. (Sorry Benjamin couldn't resist). Leeds are the best team in the Division so why do all that bullshit. Good luck for the rest of the season it will be good to see you back in the prem.
@@steveclayton4249 thanks for your comments. As I said the thing that really stuck out to me was the way Bielsa laid out Derby like an open book for all to see. That and they way he only referred to Frank Lampard as 'Lampard'. I would have thought that if the Derby Chairman or Lampard himself were watching the conference they would have been horrified at what was going on. The more you hear about Bielsa the more I am convinced he suffers from obsessive compulsive disorder like Beckham. He has the grass at both Elland Road and Thorpe Arch both cut to a specific level which he measures. I think this is just another example of that. He said the three things you want to know about the other side are formations (which he already had) who was playing (which a spying trip might give you but the press usually report on that) and set pieces (again he admits he already had that).. So I just think it is to ease his anxiety which he admits to. The one good thing that has come out of it from the clubs point of view, is that he now seems to have bought into the world is against us that some Leeds fans have and that may mean he stays with us longer than he has with other clubs.
@@dannywinters4336 You can't do that because parts of it are already named after others ex greats.If all the promise turns into reality then another statue might be in order though.
Even if of all his research this is the least important, it still has some benefit otherwise he wouldn't do it. The level of hoohah this is going to be depends on how the other managers take it and whether they get together and go to the EFL. Personally, I'd fine Leeds a wedge for unsportsmanlike conduct under whichever rule is something like "respect for other clubs and the league" and give him a touchline ban. It is wrong even if it's not a law, kicking the ball back after the opposition kicks it into touch for an injury isn't in the rules is it? But it's expected. It's expected you're not going to spy on opposition's private closed training sessions. If other clubs put pressure on the EFL it could be more serious but even as a Blade I'd say a points deduction would be a bit ridiculous.
Hi Ben... If you need a lift to any other Leeds games let me know as there is a large contingent from Suffolk... MB will take us to Champions League football.. :)
cant believe you have to explain yourself for doing something that isnt illegal.. even if you do why would you be sanctioned?make a rule if you want to enforce something...
I just think it's more important that clubs like Birmingham and Villa (who appear to have broken the FFP rules) are punished by 15 point penalties or whatever, while Marcus Evans has continued to conveniently hide behind them, regarding his lack of investment - I understand that Birmingham's hearing with the EFL concerning this matter is in Feb 2019. I know I've said it before, but how in reality are QPR still able to exist or even REMAIN in the Championship? - they should have at least dropped to League 1 for their ridiculous overspending in the last few years. Until major punishments are handed out, I won't believe that such rules (that claim to exist) are really in place. Regarding the 'spying', I'd be surprised if much comes from it - probably just a slap on the wrist like you say.
Think you’ve taken the analogy totally literally - the point I was making is he’s being investigated for watching the training so talking about the other research is irrelevant. Happy to debate but no need to be patronising or rude!
Hi Ben, I live in Australia but have no problems with spying on training sessions at all. Over here training is often in open fields next to a road, with no fences. There is normally more press than fans watching, but nothing to stop a spy. Occasionally teams will train behind closed doors, to hide player fitness or to practice set plays etc., but you hear about the press hiring helicopters to take areal shots or using drones to get vision etc. I think it is good management to fully understand your opposition, but breaking laws to do so (such as trespassing) is definitely unacceptable.
I’m also in Australia and from Melbourne, the so called spy was not on Derby county land! He was outside the training ground! No law broken.., not even trespassing!!
Bielsa's behaviour is a little unethical but good ethics are sadly lacking in Football these days. I can't see how they can sanction him if he hasn't broken any rules.
a masterful talk that Marcelo Bielsa is giving free to the useless coaches of England, to see how he is an elit coach and a teacher as the only one who is Bielsa. Learn newbie Lampar what it means to be a football coach before crying like a sissy.
can all the managers/owners of ALL the clubs who have signed the petition put their hands on their hearts and say they have NEVER sent scouts to other clubs to watch the teams play or train? I'm guessing NOT. we should be proud that a coach of Bielsa's quality is willing to come to England. maybe he can put some quallity into English players because the English coaches have been rubbish that's why the English national teams wins FA. oh! and the anti Leeds section of the FA are the reason why Leeds doesn't get the penalties from the fouls so obviously commited against them. MOT
Bielsa is so obsessive and this presser is a manifestation of that. FL and the Derby fans now know that he has watched more of their games. This obsession to know everything makes him a great manager. Remember that the rest of the Bielsa family are lawyers, and while he has said that he would accept any punishment, the club hasn't and if a point deduction was imposed it would likely be appealed and overturned. as you said no rules, no laws have been broken, and Bielsa has stated that he alone is responsible. #mot
I think it's fair to say that sending men with pliers, to hide in bushes, and spy on opponents, is not within the spirit of the game. It is cheating. Bielsa has admitted doing it before every game, so the obvious sanction is a 54 point deduction. Might just give Ipswich a fighting chance.
Get a ban and fine, but I think leeds are so lucky to have him he's one of the best in the world! Think he was saying he didn't need to watch it but feels like he has too.
Derby were beaten three times, on the pitch and in todays press conference. No wire cutters were found. Lampard needs to grow up . Good managers use info. Ben, you have obviously no concept of how the game works. Leeds United did their training at Fullaton Park, open to public gaze. Its not irrelivant by the way...................... IT FUCKING WORKS ie Leeds are the top of the division point proven
All the data in the world doesn't mean much if you suspect the opposition will do x/y/z differently against you. Knowing that they will/won't changes how you approach the game which can change the result. Should he be sanctioned? no, but the rules need changing.
It's. Not worthy of being called spygate. It should be called ramsgate. If Wampard is so offended by people watching derby train. He should build a wall around the pitch. Embarrassing for English football not not embarrassing for Bielsa or Leeds. MOT
Think you’ve taken the analogy totally literally - the point I was making is he’s being investigated for watching the training so talking about the other research is irrelevant. Happy to debate but no need to be patronising or rude!
How is this odd and bizarre are Bielsa has gone and shown how much time and all the stats and figures of derby. Showing that “spying” for a small amount of time 1 day before the match because he already knows all the players and exactly how they play. He feels ashamed tell but the ill minded people out there saying this had a huge effect and Leeds should be charged and points taken away. Clearly have no idea how many hours Bielsa and the team put in to grind out these results (204hours per team (24 teams))
@@BenjaminBloom Very highly likely that most managers have,but haven't yet been Caught, I applaud him for being honest about it... I think he's also indirectly trying to unsettle other managers in the league,as well as sending them a message to step up
you completely miss the point. Training sessions in Argentina, Spain and other countries where he has managed are not private. In Bilbao they have a stand so the fans can watch. They are also filmed and if you search youtube you will find them. Saddos like me like to watch them and understand about how this pioneer goes about doing what he does.No where in the rules does it say you cannot go into a training session. It is a culture thing. You can elsewhere, you cannot here. He's not from here. How does he know you cannot go? Where has anyone ever said you cannot? It's a culture thing. He has not done anything wrong.This is a guy who does everything he can to win. He gains little from the training ground spying. That's the point of his eye opening press conference. He already knows Derby inside out. The only info he needs is, does anyone have a knock, or look injured?PS I support Everton and have no vested interest in this other than admiring Bielsa.
Your comparison with being caught speeding doesn’t work, because speeding is against the law, standing on public land watching a team practice isn’t. I can’t see what he’s done wrong that hasn’t been done hundreds of times by almost every professional sports club in the world. The fact is Bielsa has turned a load of decent football players into a terrific team who can beat almost anyone put in front of them. Lampard is just crying into his beer hoping for an advantage. He keeps saying it’s up to the authorities, and then burbles on again about it. If he thinks it’s up to the authorities he should stop moaning about it. This is just this weeks attempt to create a moral panic about football. If Sky shut up about it everybody else would soon forget the story. It’s just another example of an anti-immigrant story. I’m bored to death with it all already.
Telling the press you know how many minutes Craig Bryson player left wing back when you’re being investigated for spying - IRRELEVANT Telling a policeman you have a perfect service history when you’ve been stopped for speeding- IRRELEVANT Please tell me you get it...please 🤞🤞
Telling the press you know how many minutes Craig Bryson player left wing back when you’re being investigated for spying - IRRELEVANT Telling a policeman you have a perfect service history when you’ve been stopped for speeding- IRRELEVANT Please tell me you get it...please 🤞🤞
Beilsa just gave us all a masterclass.
Lampard has unleashed a monster.
"Yeah I spied, I like spying, I'm like James Bond, Fuck you" - Bielsas next presser 😂😂😂
incorrect.....not unleashed by Mr Lampard.
I kinda love him even more now, the mad bastard, and I'm a Villa fan. I guess his point was to say that spying on training didn't give him a massive edge over the opposition because look at all this other extensive work he's done (which is the kind of prep that any manager can do if they are so inclined) and the spying was just a tiny part of the whole picture. I think it's been way overblown but it seems to be breach of etiquette according to some.
Very fair assessment buddy... well done
I love Bielsa even more now, old school manager who seems to be constantly revolutionising the game wherever he goes. Morally right or not you can't deny his dedication to the game.
i think the point of doing all of that analysis show and tell is to show that watching the training session really benefited only a small fraction towards the pre game analysis
Bielsa just took revenge on Lampard by exposing his squad information in a minute detail on every single player, for free, to everyone, on national tv, being a trending topic. Evil genius sweet crazy old Bielsa. Gotta love him.
That's how I saw it too.
@@leathersandals Exactly mate, an evil genius sweet crazy old masterclass from Bielsa
Bielsa was seen at Reading this week delivering all the necessary analysis on Derby prior to their game this weekend. Wonderful guy and so open to helping others....slaughter Derby County and Fat Frank.
We ripped derbys tactics to shreds
I THINK DERBY HAD NO TACTICS...LAMPARD IS A WANKER ! HAHAHHAHAA
Itsi been blown way out of proportion, bielsa knows more about derby than lampard does. Hes showing all these charts and information because that is just how he works, and he can't go to sleep at night without knowing he has done everything in his power to get his team as prepared as possible. Theres so much information you can get from watching videos, someone having a gander through a fence isn't going to tell you much more than you already know apart from maybe confirm what you *do* already know.
Nothing more than a slap on the wrist for me, hes done nothing wrong........thats the crux of it, hes done absolutely NOTHING wrong and we have people talking about a points deduction is sheer madness. You can talk all you want about ethics but in the modern game even that gets pushed to its very limit, you only have to see players writhing around in agony after being tapped on the leg to see that.
That's why we are top of the league, he is a master of his craft. His preparation is something else.
He totally destroyed Lampard with savage beauty.
i feel like bielsa's whole point was to highlight how anxious/obsessive he is and to therefore emphasise how looking at training is just to put his mind at rest that what they have researched is correct. To try to justify his actions by more or less saying, 'we know everything, but we spy on them just to double check'. This is why he said he didn't have bad intentions because in his mind he doesn't learn anything new/gain an advantage from spying, it's simply for peace of mind so he has all the bases covered.
if i was a manager that still had to play leeds i would change things up dramatically just to see how he handles coming up against something he wasnt expecting. play your left back on the right wing, go with 6 at the back. it is clear that a huge portion of leeds success this season has come from such critical analysis from bielsa and his team. Keep up the great content Ben
OCD type of person.
Changing tactics completely against any team for 1 game isnt the best idea especially leeds and there high press!
The Bielsa are a well-respected family in Rosario, the city of Messi, the city of the legendary, CHE Guevara. Rafael Bielsa, the brother of Marcelo, was a remarkable Chancellor, in the government of Cristina Kirchner; Maria Eugenia, Marcelo's other sister, is about to run for governor of Santa Fe. Rosario's News Old Boys stadium is called "The Colossus, Marcelo Bielsa, and Bielsa himself has just built and donated a 5-star hotel for the youth of the lower divisions that come from the interior of the country to live. The building, which was secretly built, gave him the name of his mentor, Griffa, before donating it to the club. People love him, and he loves the club of his loves. A crack.
You know when that intro plays... that Benjamin has witnessed something epic!
You missed the point. What Bielsa said is he does all he can to gather information of the opposition because it's his job and helps him feel prepared but it really has no effect because players are the protagonists of the game. Take for example what he said about set pieces: he knows it's Leeds biggest flaw but his team still gets scored a lot from set pieces.
Also, it's not the first time Bielsa gives a conference like this. He did it in Bilbao after he commited to a candidate in the club elections to show he had prepared for the job and it wasn't an electoral stunt. He's only worried about his work ethic in terms of reputation. He doesn't give a shit about the other stuff.
And that's why Leeds are TOP of the league. A lot of managers look incompetent now compared to Bielsa. MOT
How about derby put a fence up to stop people from watching the person was on public land.
@Dr. Frosty Just the Leeds spy had pliers.
@@springbean19 But it turns out there were no pliers or boltcutters or ladders, the police even let him go because he was beaking no law by watching Derby from a PUBLIC place. Fat Frank started the pliers rubbish and everyone believed it to be true because he is the media darling and can do no wrong, always better to stick it to johnny foreigner as the English would never do anything under hand (yeh right.) You could feel the xenophobia being spewed out by the usual rent-a -gobs in the press and on tv, it was uncomfortable to watch and read but the 'hey, that's not what we do here' brigade all crawled out from under their stones to have their pound of flesh.
DCFC have a fence up. very similar to then one used at leeds' little training ground.
@@fezhat7096 He won't be going to jail then. But it was still cheating and warrants a points deduction.
But how was it cheating if no rules have been broken? It's not Bielsa's fault that the other managers are not as thorough as himself with their preperation. Fail to prepare, prepare to fail.@@springbean19
The point is Ben that The EFL, FA and Leeds Utd have a duty of care to their own staff and players and as we saw in our Preview, his need for domination is bound to spill into every area of his management and they might find other victims of other behaviours. If not the end for Bielsa, certainly the beginning of the end? Having searched in depth, I just can’t see a way for him to survive and once the everyday Leeds fans find out about the 1980s and his brother Raphael and his current campaign against the UK, I’m sure some patriots could turn against him. That would be sad for Leeds fans and for football as sport and politics should be kept separate but the national media are bound to be digging deeply and might go big on R Bielsa’s political activities against the UK. Our Leeds Match-Day vlog didn’t mention Spy-Gate once and we received high praise from Leeds fans for our integrity in sticking to the game, keeping the spygate politics out of it. We’re all here for the football at the end of the day. Right, only just back from our trip and win at St Mary’s, so I’m off to celebrate with a glass of Port. Stanley for the Rams in the 4th Round! Who’d have thought? 👍
Good work guys - how do you see Reading at home?
In your prediction vid, we put 2-0, but we think we could blast a team for a cricket score sooner or later. However, that’s based on having a back 4 again and Huddlestone in mildfield. Can’t overstate how much the lack of a left back affected us from Sheff Utd through to Leeds and we scraped through at Norwich between, so really pleased overall. 👍
We are Leeds and we love Bielsa... MOT
He was showing that it wasn’t the spying that meant Leeds won the game
Ben u should work for loreal because your hair is worth it 🙏👍🙏
Has spying on another team changed the mindset of mid table players last term into league leaders this or was it the coaching skills of bielsa the man obviously gets the best out of the players
We're Leeds. We DGAF what anyone else thinks, especially other managers. Bring on the hate, we love it. ALAW
You repeated what Derby County said about the “spy” having pliers. The police statement said nothing about pliers. It said:
“Officers were called at around 11.20am on Thursday, January 10 to reports of a man acting suspiciously on Morley Road, Derby.
A man was found at the perimeter fence of Moor Farm training ground and spoken to. Officers conducted routine checks which were all above board.
Despite media reports, no damage to the fence was found, and the man was stopped outside the grounds.
No arrests were made and the man was sent on his way.” Police are not allowed to pass on information about what was in his possession to Derby County, so I am not sure where this comes from. You are adding to the misinformation spread by Derby to make it seem more serious.
Otherwise it was a good balanced piece. Like your channel
NO RULE BROKEN, NO SANCTION !!! CREATE A LAW FIRST !!!
Where can I see the full conference?
It is not ILLEGAL because it is not prohibited in the rules. The moral part is subjective.
For God's sake, we are talking about a training session in a publicly view-able place. How ridiculous is this? The EFL must have better things to spend their time investigating. Move on.
it is called been a very clever man and proving his data research he does.. by spying in abit of derby training does not give a advantage of any sort but did it as as he specific said is not illegal. his research is far more advanced then seeing abit of poxy derby training.
Rather than tell us what else he does, he should have told us or gave us information or videos from his spying, which would actually help the investigation.
Oliver Goddard could you not grasp the amount of effort that is involved in putting together all the information that he showed us? You don't get that from one person watching a short period of training. He already knew how Derby and probably everybody else in the league takes set pieces not from spying but from information gathering. It would be impossible to get all that information from a quick spying trip by one person, analysis it and explain it to the team. That is what he was trying to get across and just where did the videos come from? nobody else has ever mentioned them.
@@ollygoddard5055 go on then explain where I'm wrong or are you not going to do that?
@@ollygoddard5055 you are an ass. Bielsa needs to leave England. A truly legendary manager being treated like shit. I hope Lampard returns all the medals he won while Villas Boas was spying to aide Chelsea.
fucking idiot
Hi Benjamin, as a Derby supporter, Leeds won fair and square. Two things I'll throw into the story. One- a lot of championship clubs who've gone up have cheated through FFP. Two: if you were the owners of Leeds would you trust this guy going forward. He will get a slap on the wrist and that's it. Ipswich should start spying lol.
Steve Clayton why shouldn't they trust him 99.999% of the information he has comes from legitimate sources and having learnt his lesson he won't repeat the error. To be honest I would have thought as a Derby fan you would be a little more concerned that Bielsa has just revealed how he went about beating Derby twice and showed much of the information he has on Derby, their method of play and player information. I'm quite sure that every single manager/coach that Derby have to play for the rest of the season will be studying what they have just been shown.
As a Leeds I thank you and agree with your points, in my opinion the owners could follow Newel Old Boys and name the stadium after him
Hi Stephen-Danny, respect to your comments. To be fair we were shit in both games, even Benjamin's Ipswich would have beaten us. (Sorry Benjamin couldn't resist). Leeds are the best team in the Division so why do all that bullshit. Good luck for the rest of the season it will be good to see you back in the prem.
@@steveclayton4249 thanks for your comments. As I said the thing that really stuck out to me was the way Bielsa laid out Derby like an open book for all to see. That and they way he only referred to Frank Lampard as 'Lampard'. I would have thought that if the Derby Chairman or Lampard himself were watching the conference they would have been horrified at what was going on. The more you hear about Bielsa the more I am convinced he suffers from obsessive compulsive disorder like Beckham. He has the grass at both Elland Road and Thorpe Arch both cut to a specific level which he measures. I think this is just another example of that. He said the three things you want to know about the other side are formations (which he already had) who was playing (which a spying trip might give you but the press usually report on that) and set pieces (again he admits he already had that).. So I just think it is to ease his anxiety which he admits to. The one good thing that has come out of it from the clubs point of view, is that he now seems to have bought into the world is against us that some Leeds fans have and that may mean he stays with us longer than he has with other clubs.
@@dannywinters4336 You can't do that because parts of it are already named after others ex greats.If all the promise turns into reality then another statue might be in order though.
Even if of all his research this is the least important, it still has some benefit otherwise he wouldn't do it.
The level of hoohah this is going to be depends on how the other managers take it and whether they get together and go to the EFL.
Personally, I'd fine Leeds a wedge for unsportsmanlike conduct under whichever rule is something like "respect for other clubs and the league" and give him a touchline ban. It is wrong even if it's not a law, kicking the ball back after the opposition kicks it into touch for an injury isn't in the rules is it? But it's expected. It's expected you're not going to spy on opposition's private closed training sessions.
If other clubs put pressure on the EFL it could be more serious but even as a Blade I'd say a points deduction would be a bit ridiculous.
Hi Ben... If you need a lift to any other Leeds games let me know as there is a large contingent from Suffolk... MB will take us to Champions League football.. :)
cant believe you have to explain yourself for doing something that isnt illegal.. even if you do why would you be sanctioned?make a rule if you want to enforce something...
Good video.
I just think it's more important that clubs like Birmingham and Villa (who appear to have broken the FFP rules) are punished by 15 point penalties or whatever, while Marcus Evans has continued to conveniently hide behind them, regarding his lack of investment - I understand that Birmingham's hearing with the EFL concerning this matter is in Feb 2019.
I know I've said it before, but how in reality are QPR still able to exist or even REMAIN in the Championship? - they should have at least dropped to League 1 for their ridiculous overspending in the last few years. Until major punishments are handed out, I won't believe that such rules (that claim to exist) are really in place.
Regarding the 'spying', I'd be surprised if much comes from it - probably just a slap on the wrist like you say.
Ben thoughts on wigan having a bid rejected by Nottingham forest for Danny Fox?
Speeding is illegal... watching a match from a distance, not!!! Is thaaaaat hard for you to understand the difference??
Think you’ve taken the analogy totally literally - the point I was making is he’s being investigated for watching the training so talking about the other research is irrelevant. Happy to debate but no need to be patronising or rude!
You’ve lost me - my analogy about making a presentation that’s not related to what’s being investigated is not an analogy?
Hi Ben, I live in Australia but have no problems with spying on training sessions at all. Over here training is often in open fields next to a road, with no fences. There is normally more press than fans watching, but nothing to stop a spy. Occasionally teams will train behind closed doors, to hide player fitness or to practice set plays etc., but you hear about the press hiring helicopters to take areal shots or using drones to get vision etc. I think it is good management to fully understand your opposition, but breaking laws to do so (such as trespassing) is definitely unacceptable.
I’m also in Australia and from Melbourne, the so called spy was not on Derby county land! He was outside the training ground! No law broken.., not even trespassing!!
@@ianguess6470 He was found holding Pliers, and may have been breaking in. But if outside fence, then no issues for me.
Paul Cox Derbyshire Police have come out and said the pliers was a tongue in cheek statement and not true.
of course you have no problems coming from the land of ball tamper's.
Bielsa's behaviour is a little unethical but good ethics are sadly lacking in Football these days. I can't see how they can sanction him if he hasn't broken any rules.
a masterful talk that Marcelo Bielsa is giving free to the useless coaches of England, to see how he is an elit coach and a teacher as the only one who is Bielsa. Learn newbie Lampar what it means to be a football coach before crying like a sissy.
nothig wrong with watching the training, any club not doing it should be embarrased they dont do everything to improve
There's nothinig wrong with watching the oppostion before a matche as long as you're not intruding. I've heard the story with the pliers was made up.
Leeds are now having nightmares from now on as they can't spy on Millwall anymore.
20 point deduction please 😂
Underhand Maybe,but nothing illegal dont see what all the fuss is about,but everybody is entitled to their opinions
It's simply because it's Leeds United.
@@leathersandals You may well be right on that score
Getting caught for speeding is a crime. Looking at a training ground from a public road isn’t a crime. Ps he didn’t have plyers
He didn’t actually have pliers ffs
can all the managers/owners of ALL the clubs who have signed the petition put their hands on their hearts and say they have NEVER sent scouts to other clubs to watch the teams play or train? I'm guessing NOT. we should be proud that a coach of Bielsa's quality is willing to come to England. maybe he can put some quallity into English players because the English coaches have been rubbish that's why the English national teams wins FA. oh! and the anti Leeds section of the FA are the reason why Leeds doesn't get the penalties from the fouls so obviously commited against them. MOT
Bielsa is so obsessive and this presser is a manifestation of that. FL and the Derby fans now know that he has watched more of their games. This obsession to know everything makes him a great manager. Remember that the rest of the Bielsa family are lawyers, and while he has said that he would accept any punishment, the club hasn't and if a point deduction was imposed it would likely be appealed and overturned. as you said no rules, no laws have been broken, and Bielsa has stated that he alone is responsible. #mot
I think it's fair to say that sending men with pliers, to hide in bushes, and spy on opponents, is not within the spirit of the game. It is cheating. Bielsa has admitted doing it before every game, so the obvious sanction is a 54 point deduction. Might just give Ipswich a fighting chance.
Get a ban and fine, but I think leeds are so lucky to have him he's one of the best in the world! Think he was saying he didn't need to watch it but feels like he has too.
Derby were beaten three times, on the pitch and in todays press conference. No wire cutters were found. Lampard needs to grow up . Good managers use info. Ben, you have obviously no concept of how the game works. Leeds United did their training at Fullaton Park, open to public gaze. Its not irrelivant by the way...................... IT FUCKING WORKS ie Leeds are the top of the division point proven
What's he done wrong? Apart from catching out the amateurs of English football.
All the data in the world doesn't mean much if you suspect the opposition will do x/y/z differently against you.
Knowing that they will/won't changes how you approach the game which can change the result.
Should he be sanctioned? no, but the rules need changing.
Derby tactics leaked hahaha
There was no boltcutters or anything that was just fat frank trying to overexadurate everything to swing in his favour
It's. Not worthy of being called spygate. It should be called ramsgate. If Wampard is so offended by people watching derby train. He should build a wall around the pitch. Embarrassing for English football not not embarrassing for Bielsa or Leeds. MOT
Lampard should build a brick wall in front of his goal.....would be more appropriate
Thicko.. Speeding is ILLEGAL.. what Bielsa sid wasn’t..
Think you’ve taken the analogy totally literally - the point I was making is he’s being investigated for watching the training so talking about the other research is irrelevant. Happy to debate but no need to be patronising or rude!
Hey Benjamin Bloom.. listen.. im from fucking leeds.. & we do what the fuck we want.. MOT
Spying on other teams is not illegal !! Then HE CAN DO IT !!! PERIOD !!! The rest is bla bla bla ..... nonsense opinions !!!!
Would you apologies for something you don't think is unlawful. All this morality talk is bull.
How is this odd and bizarre are Bielsa has gone and shown how much time and all the stats and figures of derby. Showing that “spying” for a small amount of time 1 day before the match because he already knows all the players and exactly how they play. He feels ashamed tell but the ill minded people out there saying this had a huge effect and Leeds should be charged and points taken away. Clearly have no idea how many hours Bielsa and the team put in to grind out these results (204hours per team (24 teams))
Have you ever seen anyone do this before?
@@BenjaminBloom Very highly likely that most managers have,but haven't yet been Caught, I applaud him for being honest about it... I think he's also indirectly trying to unsettle other managers in the league,as well as sending them a message to step up
you completely miss the point. Training sessions in Argentina, Spain and other countries where he has managed are not private. In Bilbao they have a stand so the fans can watch. They are also filmed and if you search youtube you will find them. Saddos like me like to watch them and understand about how this pioneer goes about doing what he does.No where in the rules does it say you cannot go into a training session. It is a culture thing. You can elsewhere, you cannot here. He's not from here. How does he know you cannot go? Where has anyone ever said you cannot? It's a culture thing. He has not done anything wrong.This is a guy who does everything he can to win. He gains little from the training ground spying. That's the point of his eye opening press conference. He already knows Derby inside out. The only info he needs is, does anyone have a knock, or look injured?PS I support Everton and have no vested interest in this other than admiring Bielsa.
Your comparison with being caught speeding doesn’t work, because speeding is against the law, standing on public land watching a team practice isn’t. I can’t see what he’s done wrong that hasn’t been done hundreds of times by almost every professional sports club in the world. The fact is Bielsa has turned a load of decent football players into a terrific team who can beat almost anyone put in front of them. Lampard is just crying into his beer hoping for an advantage. He keeps saying it’s up to the authorities, and then burbles on again about it. If he thinks it’s up to the authorities he should stop moaning about it. This is just this weeks attempt to create a moral panic about football. If Sky shut up about it everybody else would soon forget the story. It’s just another example of an anti-immigrant story. I’m bored to death with it all already.
Frank Lampard needs to toughen up!! This is blown way out of proportion!!
Derby wanna talk about morality? They pushed us, they kicked us, they stood on us and we were denied 2 clear penalties. We still destroyed them.
Your argument is not very good
Your analogy is useless.. the speeding driver broke the rules.. Bielsa didn't
Telling the press you know how many minutes Craig Bryson player left wing back when you’re being investigated for spying - IRRELEVANT
Telling a policeman you have a perfect service history when you’ve been stopped for speeding- IRRELEVANT
Please tell me you get it...please 🤞🤞
Telling the press you know how many minutes Craig Bryson player left wing back when you’re being investigated for spying - IRRELEVANT
Telling a policeman you have a perfect service history when you’ve been stopped for speeding- IRRELEVANT
Please tell me you get it...please 🤞🤞
@@BenjaminBloom not making sense are you? Precious flower
Never mind - will do a simpler one next time 😊