Does killing too many enemies ruin immersion in video games?
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- subscribe 2 bokey. tbh i'd rather make 10 vids than write 1 description of a video. these stink. also no music this time so lmk what you think. to me, games don't really need to justify everything. games always give that space for suspension of disbelief in order to get away with some mechanics that simply make it more playable and fun. but yeah nathan drake is a sociopath
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The original mafia handled it much better than the remake. Enemies were fewer and the player shared the same mechanics and health as the enemies. This made each gunfight feel like a life or death situation
This really makes me want to try the original now. I appreciate this!
Death stranding is the one game where i went out of my way not to kill anyone, I've yet to experience a game that incentivized you to not kill like that one did.
so glad I grabbed it for free on Epic launcher not too long ago. it's definitely next on my list! i'm excited
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i remember when i was playing RDR2 i had to take breaks from the main missions because it was 100% shooty shoots, something happens? yeah shootout, you try to do something? guess what? its going to fail and you're going to engage in a shootout, you do X? yes, shootout!
it took me a full month to finish the game, i kept playing side quests and free roaming as i was just sick of all the shooting 99% of the time
I think a solution for more grounded games would be just making killing more difficult.. enemy numbers lower.. but having more ways to deal with the situation, like.. more gettaway options. In RDR 3 we could die with two to three shots.. (one if it's in the head or chest) but make being shot more difficult.. guns could be jankier.. and so on. Games with this level of realism tho would need to have more options to add fun. Nom lethal beat downs might help being coherent with the characters but still.. being able to take down hundreds of people is not reallistic as well.. in terms of power. I think that another thing that can be done is making the cutscenes crazier during action. Like.. Arthur Morgan could "dead eye" agaisnt like 4 or 5 guys in a cutscene.. like Clint Eastwood in A fistfull of dollars, the famous scene where he kills 3 or 4 guys in a second. It's not that unrrealistic.. look at Bob Munden.. real life man who has basically this level of skill.. why can't a game push that a little more? Anyway.. would be interesting to test this.
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"how many people have you killed?"
"i think about 2000 people? i stopped keeping count after that."
"what the fuck, we were robbing a bank, how have you already killed that many people?"
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Far Cry 3 handled this dilemma that best by showing the protagonist Jason Brody going from physically recoiling from his first self-defense kill to celebrating and cheering for each kill he gets. The islands made him go from a standard adrenaline junkie to a murdering sociopath.
love this take. people may say that Far Cry 3 isn't immersive or realistic due to mass amount of killing for this reason (how he switches from deeply sympathetic/traumatized and switches almost instantly) but then when you think of it like, "imagine being in a place like the islands that CAN make you this crazy, this quickly" is a much cooler way at looking at things like this
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Theres not a single day that i dont think about this. Only issue that I have with RDR 2. These last two modern warfare games handled it pretty nicely. Clean House has like... 10 enemies? Better "gore" and animations so you get a better feedback when hitting someone, and less enemies. That would be great.
I wanted to include that mission SO bad for this video. Clean House in MW19 was incredible
this was one thing that bothered my with rdr2.
you are in the middle of nowhere and not a single soul in sight except for the 5 guys inside the *open* camp.
as soon the first shot gets fired an army of enemies plops out of nowhere.
this makes it worse since rdr2 is a realism focused game with focus on details.
and then you have these artificially dragged out shooting scenes that break the world because muh "epic gun battles".
it wouldnt be such a problem if this wouldnt be a theme for pretty much *every* mission that involves shooting.
lets say we HAVE a big base with many buildings and already pre spawned enmies, then you are like, "holy cow, this will end in a massive shootout".
but if its a small camp it doesnt make any sense getting chased down by an army of a size of an entire small city.
hahah great points
good video mang!! keep it up big man!!
thank you pedro ❤ you the homie!
bruh this is so accurate
That is a good question
you hella underrated bro
i appreciate that mayne 🙏
I feel like, at least out of all the GTA games, GTA IV handled this issue the best. The character is obviously deranged, as living through a hellish war that killed all of his friends forced him to be, so killing randomly not phasing him isn't much of a stretch. To add to that, the amount of enemies you actually face, at least if i remember correctly, isn't too high, making the conflicts feel believable (taking into account that a war veteran would be a much better shot/fighter than random gangsters). The story also features characters that aren't trrated as side characters, and that interact with the player regularly.
Iirc your spat with the lost basically crippled them to the point of leaving LC to join with another chapter and you obliterate the entire Russian mafia in lc as well
I LOVE GTA 4 so much (i actually made a vide on too long ago on why i think its the best gta game) but you're so right! great example. I guess my example for san andreas was their use of 'extras' of your gang in the background, like picking them off of the street and doing gang activities. thanks for this!
@@jacksonkemp9644 true, but the direct number of enemies was never insanely big, especially considerimg that for some of those instances you had the help of the jamaican gangs, multimillionaires, etc...
@@bokey_1da I'll make sure to watch that video when I have the time! This was a great video, keep up the good work and you'll be popular in no time with videos like these!
When it comes to the Mafia games I tend to only count kills that are mentioned or passively mentioned. Sure I killed so many goons but if its not mentioned as being part of a war or whacking someone in the story then to me its not exactly cannon
10 outta 10 video
I appreciate that homie. Thanks!
I Think Hotline miami deserved a mention, the deep meaning of hotline miami 2 being a counterpart to the first game and telling us various sides of the story and get to know even some of the enemies, it´s just great and how at some point the game makes us question why are we killing all these people, still very nice video ( I apologize for my bad english)
Great insight! I’ll look more into hotline Miami
In my case, what ruins immersion is getting myself killed. Can't seem to let go of that. It got so bad that I have to restart the game every time I die.
I agree with this! I had the same feeling when I was playing Cyberpunk 2077 on very hard mode
Personally I would much rather fight against a fewer yet tougher enemies at a time placed in strategic positions for ex.
Mafia 1
Brothers in Arms Road To Hill 30
F.E.A.R.
Prince of Persia Warrior Within & The Two Thrones
I agree! I like the challenge of less but tougher enemies
I recently played through uncharted, it just seems like one battle after the next
the graphics are nice and the gunplay is smooth but i was very bored with its narrative, just didnt really care for the puzzles and the characters. maybe not demographic, but the gameplay wasn't the worst!
a game that does a good job inspite of u killing thousands is far cry 6, playing on hardmode you cant really get away by playing stupidly u always had to use strategy or stealth to achieve your goal
I've really been meaning to get this game on a sale. I had a really fun time on Far Cry 5 especially coop with a friend. How is the coop for FC6?
I feel like it can be balanced out but realistically in the world, every single character we play as is a Mass Murderer. That’s hilarious to me in hindsight
🤣 right?
Hey I cant go around murdering people in real life so if anything killing more immerses me more 😂
ahaha hey man I’d be lying if I said I didn’t feel the same 🤣
Uh nah it’s immersive in a different way that allows to be that twisted psycho come to life
🤣 hey man you do you!
the CPU in red dead redemption 2 have always been easy, even on ruthless difficulty missions or call to arms in online mode is a bit easy. however being alone and getting jumped by a 4 player posse is not easy, only a sniper at great plains will make them leave.
right!
@@bokey_1da i think the hardest but most fair activity in red dead 2 is the shepherd bounty where you go into a cave and have to fight the bounty in knight armor. other than that alot of stuff is easy.
You bet your ass it does.
Red Dead Redemption feels like a 3 year olds favourite cartoon.
Good thing you're a 3 year old huh
It's a buzz word...well phrase used by people so often it has lost it's meaning (kind of like most things on the internet), most people don't care. The only way to change it would probably force a change that would make some games unrecognizable, it wouldn't be worth it to make such a small group who care happy.
Right
warframe and any hack and slash be like: (Kill billion for a chances to get cool skin or Item)
ahaha that's what it feels like to me at least! haven't logged in awhile but it was a fun time
"is getting more traction"... brother the term has been absolutely stomped to death
alright!
I think it should stay the way it is tbh. Could you imagine how little replay value rdr2 would have if the story consisted of you doing long tedious manual labour, super long journeys across the states and all the other boring realities of that lifestyle with only the occasional shootout.
I feel you. Especially rdr2 because as it is, so many people already think the game is too grounded (walking around camp, animations for picking up everything, etc.) anything more 'realistic' and the game would suffer a bit. Thanks for this!
@@bokey_1da yeah that's mainly why I struggle to play through it again. Love the game it's one of my all time favorites but after playing it 3 - 4 times it's a bit tedious to do the slower missions again. Great game regardless though.