Nintendo Should Make More 3D Platformers
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.พ. 2020
- Mario shouldn't be the only Nintendo character who's allowed to jump around and collect stuff in 3D! (I mean...Link kind of does that too... But you know what I'm saying!)
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2:01 “once in a blue moon”
*Mario collects a blue moon in the background*
Secretly genius
100000000000000000000000000 IQ
I saw this too and i instantly read through the comments to see if i was the only one
“Once in a blue moon game”
*Gets a blue power moon in the background*
PierzPressure
Kane is a good editor.
Or if you’re Mulan, the blue corn moon game
@@0_Cardboard_0 *Pocahontas :)
also 10:39 returned to its roots. Dk is grabbing roots at the same time.
Arlo: "More 3D platformers!"
Nintendo: "I think he said Hey Pikmin 2."
Arlo:"Pikmin 2"
Nintendo:"hey,he said smash 4?
Lol, should have made the video in japanese.
Nintendo: "no, no i LITERALLY heard him say 'I want Animal Crossing: amiibo Festival Deluxe' !"
Alright how bout we give him what he wants... pikmin 4!...(that gets deleted at November 2021)
Even hotter take : a Nintendo 3D platformer with a NEW IP. Give the designers a chance to be creative.
Make the animal a donkey.
Or a hippopotamus.
Or a beaver.
Or a bear...
With a bird...
...(sniffs) I'M SO SAD TODAY!!
It would definitely feel strange to have a new nintendo ip focused on platforming alongside Mario, but also would be very welcome
We don't need any new IP. We need a polished Mario vs Rabbids FPS with multiplayer
Joseph I mean, that’s kinda a completely different thing than what any of us are talking about
Joseph we need smash kart
If they ever revive Ice Climbers then I think it could be the perfect 3D platformer IP
Not much of an iceclimbers fan but that actually makes alot of sense
Ok, I won’t lie to you, by today’s standards, Ice Climbers sucks. I love the idea of the game but the controls are too dated to get any really enjoyment from it. HOWEVER!
IMAGINE the possibilities a 3D Ice Climber game could have! Make it all about puzzle solving, and lots of unique mountains to climb up using only your admittedly impressive vertical jump and your ice climbing equipment. Maybe a bit of abusing the wildlife, with those puff ball things from the original remaking platforms and giving you extra height and polar bears doing their thing and pushing platforms down. And of course, your ice climbing partner. Make the whole game multiplayer and I think it could be really cool.
They could try to let the people who made Celeste borrow the rights too
Joy Chowdhury it definitely sounds super cool. And new kid Icarus of course. Or just remake of Uprising and THEN a new one
Think about the mechanics they could make controller both characters
"Why did 3D platformers become so rare?"
I see what you did there, whether it was intentional or not
Guh-hahaha
The funi man
i dont get it
It took me a good second to get that hats off to you
Get it :)
@The Dark Umbreon Rare didn't go bankrupt. During the Nintendo 64 era, Nintendo declined to purchase a majority interest in the company after Donkey Kong 64. Microsoft then purchased the company. Notably, they released 2 Viva pinata games on the Xbox systems, as well as Banjo Kazooie Nuts n' Bolts. They were the studio that developed the Xbox avatars and had a variety of internal projects. Most recently they released the Rare replay collection and Sea of Thieves.
@The Dark Umbreon If Rare is bankrupt, that's news to me. Still, the Rare we knew and loved is pretty much gone, at least at Rare itself. Far as I know though, they're still a subsidiary of Microsoft, with an amazing legacy, but so-so games ever since the acquisition.
"Ok, maybe not Ice Climbers"
Nay my good puppet! I think Ice Climbers are perfect for some new idea of platforming.
Maybe a 3D platformer that involves using Popo and Nana together with some actual ice climbing gear involved with leads and screws and ice axes and crampons. A proper buddy system where your safety net for Popo is Nana and vice versa. And even better, it could be a great single player OR co-op game.
That actually sounds good
What a tease. It will never happen. 😔
3D Metroidvania 😏
Can we get a 3D Sonic game that doesn’t switch to 2.5D every goddamn 20 second
I second, third, AND forth this comment.
Seriously, it's called "3d sonic" for a reason.
Or a good 3D sonic game at all
Adventure 1 and 2 were really the only games imo where 3D Sonic gameplay was largely nailed and a blast to play. Idk why it's so hard for them to replicate or polish/refine that prior success.
Hey look it's another person who probably blames the games they play when he/she dies or plays poorly. The Adventure games have learning curves and controls are very precise, if you're too impatient to learn how to play a game before saying it sucks, then idk why you play video games. Go play Generations or Colors where they hold your hand through the gameplay.
@@retrosoul8770 as somebody who loves the adventure titles, I have no problem admitting that they aren't very good.
Arlo: talks about 3d platformers
Me: wtf was that Kermit the frog game and why did he grow claws and climb a wall
And where can I buy it?
Muppet Monster Adventure
Man I was gonna say I'm surprised I haven't either played it or seen a really bad review of it on TH-cam, it's always one of those two
Muppet Monster Adventure! I loved it as a child.
Spiderman: Shattered dimensions
My one regret with this video is that I didn't give a shoutout to Splatoon for ticking a lot of relevant boxes in its singleplayer campaigns. Splatoon is somehow the closest we've come to getting a new 3D platformer in ages.
EDIT: OKAY OKAY, I also probably should have talked a little about Sonic. Not Nintendo, but still a company consistently putting out games that you might consider 3D platformers. The focus on speed almost makes them feel like their own genre, so maybe that's why I didn't think to mention them? I don't know, would have been nice to talk about how even after DECADES the Sonic team still struggles with making Sonic work in 3D. But hey, that's TH-cam vidjas, you never think of every possible point until you publish. Maybe the topic will come up again someday.
I see what you're saying in this video and I get your perspective but I can proudly disagree with this statement. (Even though I love the Mario & Luigi series)
They could make a whole platformer just based on the inking mechanic
I love this channel, we need more
Thank you i was just thinking about that
I wouldn’t mind an original splatoon platformer
I think you've missed the biggest plus on this for Nintendo. Games cost a lot of money to make, but a lot of that comes from building a game engine. But engines can be reused, just look at how many games run on the quake engine. Mario 64, Ocarina of time, and Majoras Mask all ran on the same engine, and Majoras Mask was able to be made quickly and cheaply because they already had the engine customized for Zelda.
Nintendo already have at least two great game engines for the Switch in the form of the engines for Zelda:BotW and Mario Odyssey, so repurposing those engines for a new game in the same style would save time and money, allowing them to make a great new game with the Nintendo quality and polish we expect on a reasonable budget in maybe less than 2 years from the start of development.
This is an excellent point. 👏👌
Good point, But i bet nintendo has already thought of it.
Idea: use it for a new paper Mario!
@@jacquesvfd I think they've listened
nintendo tends to remake EVERYTHING for every new game, unless theres a point to taking something old. (Like BOTW2's reused engine from BOTW, mostly due to being in the same world.)
I love how Kirby and the Forgotten Land is basically just Arlo's idea for the Yoshi game.
“Wow, it looks like Arlo hates Nintendo, what a negative critic.”
"Don't criticize, just consume product and get excited for next product."
"JJ Abrams should have directed the prequels"
"My wife left me"
"The prequels are ok"
He committed the cardinal sin of daring to mildly criticize Pokemon/Nintendo.
Kirby NEEDS the 3d jump. He's become so stagnant it's just what we all need.
With Planet Robobot, I think Kirby hit its peak. Of course they could make a cool new 2D Kirby game with a new theme but with as much creativity as Robobot, but it would probably come off as formulaic.
Kirby does need a 3D jump sometime within the next few years
@@0_Cardboard_0 Have you played the free run mode of city trial in Kirby Air Ride? Full 3D uninterrupted Kirby Platforming goodness. If Kirby gets 3D, it needs to be like city trial imo.
@Bethany Bradley Honestly, that's the vibe I got from Star Allies. "Goodbye to traditional Kirby"
Literally jump. There’s so many possibilities to Kirby’s (near-)infinite floaty jump and 3D
No, if Amazing Mirror was anything to go by, Kirby has yet to fully explore 2D gameplay.
Honestly i would like Kirby to have a massive open world where we can explore dreamland!!!
Go through king Deedees castle, The forrest of that apple tree. Visit the natives town and much more!!!
I would love to kill a bunch of innocent waddle dees in the third dimension!
How would the sucking mechanic wor-
*AUTO-SUCC*
How would the sucking mechanic wor-
*AUTO-SUCC*
Amazing Mirror 3D please and thank you
We already have Blowout Blast which shows what Kirby succ in 3D would be like, and we got Battle Royale to show how copy abilities would work. I think they're trying to test the waters for a 3D Kirby, and it may be more likely than people think tbh
"Kirby needs a new 3D game"
How about one?
Kirby Airride 2?
@@Daniel6254
Ahem...(in my Thor Ragnarok voice): YEEEEEESSSSS!!!!😍🥰😍😄
.....
...I'm basically saying I agree Kirby air ride 2 would be awesome
Have you considered Kirby air ride 2?
Kirby is more of an 2d platformer rather than a 3d platformer.
I would love to see one~
Best argument ever "I want more."
Hen like astro bot on ps4 vr?
I’m still hoping the next major Kirby game will be a full on 3D platformer. Heck, I think Crafted World should of been full 3D.
Mario 64 DS showed that a 3D Yoshi platformer could be really good if done well.
Justin Champion so did Galaxy 2.
Dude. I really wishe GoodFeel would make a 3D platformer yoshi game.
Their style fits much better with a 3d game than 2d.
NO. No Kirby. Sorry man but those games suck (no pun intended).
@@Tilburger dude because you personnally dislike them does not meen they suck
As someone who has been working on a 3D Platformer for a few years, it feels good to hear someone who understands the struggle! I'm the sole developer and have been refining the character mechanics as well as creating a pipeline that allows me to iterate quickly on the level design, because it's TOUGH to make a great 3D Platformer. Like, really really tough.
:o
>3D platforms are dead?
>Super Mario Odyssey sells over 20 million
>3D All Stars sells over 10 million
>3D world + Bowser's Fury sells over 6 million and rapidly growing
Seems to me that Nintendo killed the competition and the competition just gave up.
4 of those games are just remasters though. I really enjoyed playing 3D World, it translated perfectly to Switch. But I couldn’t get through 64 or Sunshine due to the eye strain. They look and feel terrible after Odyssey. Galaxy was playable but imagine how amazing it could be if they made a new one with better/current graphics. I would love for them to focus on new 3D platformers.
"Ok maybe not Ice Climbers"
I'm gonna take that challenge!
Imagine this, an online coop game where a bunch of players work together to go up a mountain. Say up to 8 players and 5 different mountains, each being taller and more difficult than the last. It would be cartoony, the Climbers looking like the Smash Ice imbers but with 8 different Climbers with different specialties, stats, and equipment. As you climb up there would be enemies you'd need to fight off as they try to take your allies down, running out of HP incapacitates a climber and the enemy tried to push them off the mountain, if all the Climbers are KOed or knocked off the mountain you lose. Camping would save your progress untill you can all get together to continue, as well as healing the party. The smallest mountain would take on average five minutes, but the tallest would take forever and only the best teams will reach the top, taking on average an hour and 30 minutes.
TLDR: Ice Climbers could be a shorter online cooperative 3D platformer emphasizing teamwork and team synergy.
Dude, why stop there?! What if there was a two player story mode that focused on the Ice Climber's blood-bond and how even the toughest of challenges can be easier when someone you truly care about is always there for you. It could be the most wholesome story about Popo and Nana reaching the top against all odds because they worked together and always had each other's back.
What if they made Ice Climbers a puzzle platformer in a way that somehow combines Catherine or ICO. Just throwing out suggestions.
Ya know, there's nothing all that special about Ice climbers tbh and this sounds like a hell of a time with friends. I'be been looking for compelling 3D game ideas, and I think I'm going to try to make something like this.
I love this Entire Idea and Now I just Really want to play something that Doesn't even Exist. (Yet?)
Man I am hungry for More 3d Platformers.
@@FlorianEagox Go right ahead :)
20:57 Actually, I'd wholeheartedly welcome a new Ice Climbers 3D platformer. It'd be something different from what Nintendo's already putting out in any capacity, regardless of if it's 2D or 3D, and so long as the jump physics are solid (something that's a big flaw in the original Ice Climber game), I think it could be a fantastic and quite unique game.
I actually hoped for a mobile Ice Climbers, like Mario Run only up.
But dang, I’d get behind this 3D platformer idea for them! Especially if the goal involved having to get both of them up and having to connect branching paths. It’s also great co-op fuel too.
Nicholas Swenson How about this, Ice Climbers Mobile game basically being Sonic Jump
Same here. I would actually really, really like a 3D platformer that involved two parties, primarily, instead of one (Mario, and sometimes Mario with Yoshi), primarily. Also, traversal that mostly is vertical would be very different (like the basis of Ice Climbers was back in the day), and the game could put a heavy emphasis on bonds and trust. It could be a very sweet (both in tone and in quality) game.
That’s something I’m actually surprised about, how come there has never been a crossover within a series.
Like imagine a 3D Mario Platformer mixed with Luigi’s Mansion spoopy vacuum moves
Not necessarily a 3D platformer, but a 3D Ice Climbers game could be Nintendo’s version of Uncharted. Either that or just a cool (get it?) semi-open game where you get different climbing gear that you need to upgrade to progress to new areas and uncover secrets.
Exploring the city in Kirby Air Ride on foot was one of my favorite things about that game. I could easily see a 3D Kirby game being similar to that, but obviously with more specific goals.
Not gonna lie; I can't even express how happy I was to hear Arlo bring up GEX. Playing that back in the day brings up nostalgia that hits me like a brick. It feels nice.
This comment is like Halloween at Rip Taylors.
I have no idea why no one has made Gex 4 especially with all the meme culture and everything
Man... With all the movies that have come out since the last Gex game, I admit you've made me incredibly curious as to what they could do with a modern Gex game.
"Gex" - Scott the Woz, 2017-???
This is like Taco night at James Earl Jones' house
I imagine a completely brand new and revamped Ice Climbers game which uses the character designs from Smash and you use their movesets in a 3D game where they climb mountains and trek through a snowy world.
Botw style too...
Watch it be sakurais next game
I'd legitimately be interested in this.
Yes! And they could even tie it into something Nintendo has been playing around with lately, co-op. Such a game where Popo and Nana have to rely on each other to make sure they don't fall off would be ripe ground for optional Co-op like Luigi's Mansion.
I actually just finished A Hat in Time and it was absolutely the only non-Nintendo 3D platformer I've played since Wii that controlled like absolute butter. The controls are so fluid, you're not even thinking 99% of the time, just jumping and climbing and flying across gaps. Such a great game
Astro Bot Rescue Mission
**Hat Kid smooch!**
I'd go as far to say Gears for Breakfast set a new standard for modern 3D platformers. It's just an incredible game.
Kirby definitely may have opened up Nintendo’s eyes after the success of the forgotten land
7:51 as an aspiring game developer I can tell you exactly why creating good controls are hard: realistic physics are not fun.
The best example of this is Mario's jump, you obviously want him to respond immediately to a button press but you also need to be able to control the height of the jump. This essentially means for as long as you hold the jump button mario is being pushed upwards by a physics-defying force.
This is only one of the more obvious tricks. Most are much more subtle like skipping frames of animation on impacts or slightly nudging the character to the platform.
It doesn't make intuitive sense but when it is done right it feels perfect. Basically the only way to nail a movement system is endless trial and error.
Edit:
And the most important thing: the character must match the levels. It you try playing a banjo level as mario it may be possible but it won't be nearly as fun. That is because these games are made with a specific character's movement in mind.
One of the most important ones is that Mario can control himself in mid air. As annoying as it was, the original Castlevania games had realistic jumps, you jumped and all movement control was lost till you landed. Mario's jump feels so much better because you can move him even after his feet have left the ground.
SpecterVonBaren I’m probably one of the few people who prefers Castlevania’s controls to Mario’s. The stiff movement and committal jumps make it easier for me to control.
Yeah, biggest problem with a ton of game devs is they try to make movement realistic which when controlled in 3rd person feels clunky and scuffed
Arlo "I want 3D DK, Yoshi, and Kirby games"
Me "all I want is Wario World 2"
YEESSS
GameCubes WarioWorld was way too god damn fun! Also way too short. I beat it twice on my first & second play through.
Thanks for reminding me of that classic
Wario World 3D!
THICK WARIO IN ALL HIS GLORY
Huzzah! A man of quality :’)
Did anyone else actually kind of like the idea of a HD 3D ice climbers like just picture several giant mountains you have to climb in an open world tundra and ice land
Yes. Like Breath of the Wild climbing.
If Kirby is any indication it looks like they took your advice ;)
Just look how close Pokemon Sword and Shield got.
Nintendo: Do more Breath of the Wild Pokemon and less Pokemon tour guided.
Love him or hate him he spitting straight facts
Someone has to. For all the praise Nintendo gets, it sometimes feels like they have no clue when it comes to some obvious decisions their fans want. I'm still waiting for them to hurry up and port more old games to the Switch. Super Nintendo, N64, Gamecube; they all have so many titles people would gladly pay to play again.
@@Kajinking Or just bring back the Virtual Console, even. No porting required.
I don't understand why Nintendo hasn't thrown thousands of dollars at developers to create a Mario copycat. If Sony had created a copycat game like Super Mario Galaxy to sell with Playstation Move it would have been successful.
Right. Very very obvious straight facts
I disagree. I feel like a LOT of this analysis is misguided. Specifically, it tends to believe in the idea of game “evolution” which does not exist. Were there a lot of platform games in the 90s? Sure. But Arlo leaves out the fact that most of them scored poorly and didn’t sell. This is the true nature of the games industry, which is not ‘evolution”. It’s prospecting for gold. One game “hits” and makes a lot of money. Immediately all other developers try to make games that resemble whatever the last “hit” was. Most of them sell very few copies. Meanwhile a new game “hits” and everyone rushes over there. This is prospecting for gold or gambling, not “evolution”.
Guitar Hero/Rockband is the perfect example. Can you name ANY of the “me too” rhythm games that came out trying to get a little of that reflected glory? There were dozens and they sold extremely few copies.
So when people try to suggest that the popular games of the time are popular because they are better... no. That’s nonsense. Games are a trendy industry. It’s no different than fashion and what game is popular is no different than what color shirt is “in” this season.
What appeals to me the most about 3D platformers was the element of exploration & freedom. You get to run & jump through fantastic worlds while looking in every corner. "How do I get over there? What's in there?" These were mysteries I loved to solve.
The other appeal is how you stay within a big area & explore that multiple times instead of constantly having to move forward & progress. I hated when 2D platformers had time limits or prevented backtracking. The ticking timers exacerbated my anxiety. I just like to do things at my own pace, complete everything that can be completed.
There are 2 sub genres of 3D platformers:
Collect-a-thon: It's about collective items, the exploration it's important and the items you get are keys for guide and incentive the player for pass through a challenge, most of the time this genre has unlockable abilities like Banjo-Kazooie, and others doesn't need them like Mario Galaxy.
Traditional point A to point B: It's the 3D Land and 3D World idea, both aren't about freedom or exploration, are about going from point A to point B, not the entire game has to be like this, just look at the haunted houses of Mario World, but the point here it's that, collectives and secrets are more like tools for incentive the player to replay the level with another perspective or taking different routes.
But both share the same bases, an enjoyable to move character in a world with places to go and things to do where the point is doing them through a challenging world, things like enemies, combat system, RPG elements, aren't inherent to the formula.
I love the exploration and freedom, too. Super Mario Odyssey is my favorite game on the Switch because of this. I really agree with you about the idea of moving through the same area a lot, instead of just moving on. But always finding new little nooks and crannies is a great feeling. And I also love specifically with Odyssey though that as you progress through the game, the areas change some. Like how the desert is frozen over the first time you explore it, but then it opens up a bit more almost like a Metroidvania game after you beat the boss, then more again after you beat the game and smash the moon rock. It all really adds a ton of fun to that re-traversal.
There are two subjects at the heart of this, both of which I'd like to see expanded upon. A lot of this centers on Nintendo's handling of its lower-tier franchises. I've often thought about this and have a very similar mindset. I'd love to see them give more of their IP the treatment of Odyssey and Breath of the Wild. I appreciate 2D games and don't want to see them go away, but I do more thoroughly enjoy the deeper, more ambitious experience of Nintendo's 3D games. I love your pitch for 3D DK in particular. That's exactly what I've been hoping for from that franchise. I appreciate the comparison of DK 64 and Majora's Mask's sales, because I think both fans and Nintendo themselves have really bought into this idea of a hierarchy within their IP, as if there's an inherent limit to the potential of certain franchises. On the other side of things within this video is the exploration of the rise and fall of the platforming genre. While you make a point about how Nintendo can corner this market by being the only one doing this thing and doing it very well, I also think we should look at the broader picture of how platformers can make a bigger resurgence. I think platforming needs to evolve. The Mario template is great, but what else can this format give us? I think the Ratchet and Jak franchises were important evolutions of platforming that blended it more with the action and shooting genres. Hybrid platformers could really help to breathe new life into the genre. What about RPG/platformers? Platformers with more emphasis on puzzle-solving in conjunction with mobility to get to an objective? There are lots of untapped possibilities.
LOL just because is in 3D doesn't mean it's better Tropical Freezer is wayy better than DK 64
11:28 "I don't want you to think my argument today is based purely on my own desires."
21:18 "My best argument ... I want them!"
are you KIDDING? a 3D Ice Climbers game is my DREAM
know why?
Climbing
In Breath of the Wild, what do you the most of? CLIMBING
I would love a 3D Climbing game! it'd be a brand new genre essentially
you use both Popo and Nana co-operatively to swap between them to setup ropes, slingshots, ice blocks, bridges, and even have some small combat with their hammers
and that's only...heh, the tip of the Iceberg
regardless, a 3D Ice Climber Game would be a dream come true
plus it'd bring the beloved Ice Duo into a modern setting just like Kid Icarus did!
Finally someone brave enough to say this.
I've wondered for a while what the ice climbers revival would look like in comparison to the Kid Icarus revival and I do think you're onto something.
This is kind a weird combination to explain but Breath of the Wild climbing and LEGO Star Wars / Indiana Jones combat and building in a 3D Ice Climbers game would be really really interesting.
KitCloud1 i think Nintendo should take a chance to develop a new way to implement old characters and Ip's such as the Ice Climbers in a 3D platform climbing game and a Mr Game and watch minigame collection for mobile or something like that.
Getting over it 3D
One must-have for a 3D DK game: the triumphant return of the Kremlings.
Here-here-here we go again!
So they're finally back, it's been a long time,
They're bringing you, a brand new rhyme,
You loved them all, in DK64,
And I bet you're wondering, where are they, now?
HUH!
I want to see a Port of DK64 in Rare Replay on the Switch.
HE
The coolest thing would be an ice climber open world 3d game where you have to climb all sorts of huge mountains full of secrets and bosses with an emphasis on multiplayer. Am I allowed to hope :D ?
My God, never thought a concept of an ice climber game could captivate so much , it could be Nintendo's main multiplayer 3d platformer
that'd be amazing!
Super happy to see Toy Story 2’s game in there. Such an underrated gem.
Breath of the Wild is a 3D platformer in the eye of speedrunners
Sounds correct
I would really like to see Splatoon single player go from puzzle-like stages to a full blown 3d adventure. The inking mechanic as a means of 3D traversal, both vertically and horizontally, is just so good. Even as cool as the Octo Expansion was, the short puzzle stages we have now in Splatoon's single player offerings are clever but really only offer the tip of the iceberg for the types of exploration we could be doing. I'd pay good money for that game, even if it had no multiplayer (since Splatoon 2 is already on the system).
I also just really wish Kid Icarus Uprising became a full fledged series. It could really shine as a 3d rail shooter/platforming hybrid, if it were made on an HD platform. We would have to clone Sakurai or something to get the same jam-packed content laden game we got on the 3ds, but still.
I feel a 3d Kirby is coming. It has been hinted by HAL that they were going to take Kirby in a very different direction after Star Allies. They've also tested the concept before, however brief, in Kirby 3D Rumble and Kirby Blowout Blast. Those are technically top down games, and so are not fully 3d, but it's a start.
I remember an interview on Triple Deluxe that HAL did where they said they'd love to do something like 3D Land.
OMG A SANDBOX SPLATOON WOILD BE THE COOLEST THING EVER
Oh my goodness...why haven’t I ever thought of the idea of a splatoon adventure type game woah that would be awesome and honestly the best next step!
And yesss an immersive brand new Kid Icarus adventure would be perfect as well or even a remaster would still fulfill the thirst.
But Splatoon's campaign are pure 3D platforming joy. Not everything needs to go sandbox
In my eyes, Splatoon is the perfect candidate. It's a series where a platformer spinoff isn't just "well, why why not?", but also provides Nintendo utility beyond simply having another game to sell - it provides the opportunity to develop the franchise.
Splatoon is a huge hit of a franchise full of interesting lore and likeable characters and a colorful, engaging world, but as a primarily multiplayer shooter, there's only likely to be one game per system to develop any of those. It's as if Mario Kart was our only window into the world and characters of the Mushroom Kingdom.
A 3D platformer would be *perfect*, giving its wonderful setting more room to breathe and also building on the amazingly fluid feeling of the platforming that sadly ends up squashed up in the main games between the competitive gunplay of the multiplayer and shorter, smaller levels of the main campaign. Just jumping between puddles as you spray and climb and run feels good in a way I don't remember since sliding around in SMS, but it's always over far too soon.
Donkey Kong 64 is my favorite Rare 3D platformer. I would love to see a new HD variant/sequel in this design on Switch.
Grant Kirkhope should absolutely create the music.
Arlo: "Nintendo should make more 3D platformers. In particular, I think DK, Kirby, and Yoshi are primary candidates."
Nintendo in 2021: "One down, two to go."
"I, Arlo, WANT EM!"
>Gamers around the world gave a standing ovation
Everyone felt that
"Kongbinations"
Nintendo: WRITE THAT DOWN!
This kongpadre is really fun, isn't him?
6:27 “Why did 3D platformers become to Rare?”
I see what you did there.
I would argue that Splatoon fills a certain roll in the 3D Platforming genre. The story mode and the Octo Expansion had incredibly dynamic and compelling 3D platforming elements. Of course, it's a shooter at it's core, but the platforming aspects of these story modes were phenomenal. I would for sure buy another Splatoon game that came packaged with a gigantic campaign mode.
“That elusive 3rd D” lmao
Give us the D, Nintendo.
Double X cause two wasn’t enough
Proud -ish we need 3 big D’s
Dr. Gooigi You mean King Dedede?
Where's Descartes when you need him?
We need Kirby's Airride 2. With everyone in Star Allies playable.
^
^
I want a splatoon game that focuses much more on platforming and collectibles
That kinda defeats the purpose of splatoon ...
Arlo: "you never know unless you try"
Nintendo nowadays: "we don't know, so we aren't about to try."
The fuck did you guys smoke. We are talking about the company who keeps releasing stuff like the Labo and the Ring Fit. Nintendo often tries new stuff, stop being little bitches
@@MarcoDToon Factz!
@@MarcoDToon I know, they've been doing some really unique stuff
Me: Magic conch shell! Will we ever get a new wario land or kid icarus game again?
MCS: maybe someday
Me: Really?!
MCS: no. now shut up, idiot.
Me: :(
@Tom The Fish
_I've heard this one before_
I've been saying this exact same thing for years
Their logic is probably like:
Single game
[First half of console lifespan] : X/2 Sales
[Second half of console lifespan] : X/2 Sales
Total : X Sales
Two game
s
[First half of console lifespan] : X/2 Sales
of game 1
[Second half of console lifespan] : X/2 Sales
of game 2 + X/2 Sales
of game 1 (Half of customers don't bother buying the first one)
Total : 1.5X Sales
The number of sales its higher than the single game model, *but not double* , and the problem is that *it does take double the resources* to make 2 games instead of 1, and I don't mean money resources but *creative resources* , they only have so many good ideas they can come up with for a 3D platformer, so they better don't spend all of those ideas on a single console-gen or else they'll get screwed on the next one.
Not only that but they run the risk of *burning out the audience* , which already happened on the previous gen when they released 3DLand, NSMB2, NSMBU and 3DWorld all in the span of *2 years* , 2 of those are not even 3D platformers, and they still managed to make 3DWorld's release tiresome, so imagine what an actual barrage of 3D platformers would do to an audience.
And not only that but releasing a new game kinda means *killing the chances to sell the previous game* to some people, so its probably more efficient to sell the 1 game as much as possible.
must’ve been hard to memorize the entire 22-minute script
"Nintendo should make more 3d platformers"
And like that you've won me over
This, but with JRPGs.
Seriously, I miss old-school turn-based JRPGs.
your postulation on a 3-D Kirby game got me thinking how fun Kirby air ride was, especially city trail where it was an open 3-D area you could run around and ride around in
Arlo: Nintendo Should Make More 3D Platformers
Nintendo: Did you say Star Fox Zero deluxe?!
Arlo would buy a lot of action figures again
Tbh if they ported that to the switch but gave you an actual controller to use it with I think people would actually enjoy it, it be like starfox 64 but in HD at that point
@@AlphaladZXA To be fair, a lot of people had an issue with the game being Star Fox 64 again. I think that could've been fixed by marketing it as a remake of Star Fox 64, but even then I'm not sure if reception would be entirely positive, as the previous game released was already a remake of Star Fox 64, itself a reboot that retells the story of the original Star Fox.
@@AlphaladZXA no can do, a lot of bosses heavily required the second screen.
Andross was a massive pain in the ass, can't imagine the headache that would be in a single screen.
@@jackgarcia5926 I feel it would be totally doable to adjust those for one screen
"3D Kirby game."
I want it.
I still want it...
Big blue Button man
BOTW-style Kirby
me too
This! It would be the easiest one to make interesting n fun. And im not biased at all
I've wanted a 3D Kirby since the N64.
@Baumbartos yes. A 3D Kirby game would have to have 3D platforming with lots of floating, maybe even using inhalation to get around. There would be an air meter so it would be limited unless you get a certain powerup and go even higher. Enemies would allow you ot grab certain powers which can either kill more efficently or help get past obsticles and barriers, or both. Honestly making a 3D Kirby game is a no brainer. I think the reason Kirby stuck to 2D is entirely because of the SNES and Game Boy games. The formula was perfect and kept getting reused. Every Kirby game is essentially the same thing. I love them, but I'd be totally down with a full 3D game just because Kirby never gets the love he deserves. Same deal with Yoshi, except Croc already did it. Croc was originally planned as a 3D Yoshi game, but we got Yoshi's Story on N64 instead and Croc became a new IP on PS-One, albeit short lived.
We got a new 3d Kirby game. We're doing good progress
Just imaging how beautiful a new 3D DK would look makes my mouth drool
Honestly, after playing Yoshi in Mario 64 DS and Mario Odyssey, I really want a Yoshi 3D platformer with an expanded version of that gameplay.
And honestly, Kirby has been overdue for a 3D game for a few decades now
I honestly don't see a 3D Kirby game working but a 3D Yoshi game with similar ideas to SM64DS would be awesome!
Micaiah the Otaku Gamer [HybridAngelZero] a Yoshi MMO shooter game
The isometric 3d kirby game they were working on for Gamecube looked amazing tbh
@@henryrichard7619 A 3D Kirby game would be like Mario Odyssey with even more abilities that could create puzzles and interesting level design
And it'd be fun
When I played Mario 64 on DS back in the day I almost exclusively played as Yoshi. He was too damn fun to explore with.
I can see ice climbers returning as a massive 3D game. Imagine breath of the wild with a cutesy art style & the world could be filled with mountains & snowy areas with the final goal being scaling the tallest mountain. However you would need go to some trials/dungeons that are based on Inuit or Native American mythology. Once you fight a certain amount of bosses & gain some power ups you scale the mountain, fight the final boss, and then place a flag on top of the mountain claiming it as your own.
I think Kid Icarus Uprising needs a Switch port. In spite of being a 3DS title, it was still a more immersive and addictive journey than *anything* on the Wii U ever was.
This video gets me wayyyy to hopeful and excited. Geez I really want to see 3D-platforming installations for all of the franchises Arlo mentioned (and a SM64 Remake)!
We need a remake of DK64!
So they’re finally here, performing for you
Or better yet, a sequel
@@roasty938 the first member of - the DK crew
I'd prefer a new game rather a remaster.
Or the Sequel of DK64 :D
We need a new 3D Donkey Kong platformer. Donkey Kong 64 came out over 20 years ago. It's time for a new game, with King K. Rool as the main antagonist.
I agree
Yes
They could make a new one and really do it justice
DK64 has not aged too well
If they make a new 3D Donkey Kong platformer I will lose my mind in the best way possible.
please god please
I always thought Kirby could work exceptionally well as a 3D third-person shooter/action game, a la Kid Icarus Uprising. Put it on the Switch, give it Splatoon's control scheme, and it would literally be video game perfection. The game would be VERY fast, with an emphasis on quick movement around enemies and bosses, and you would use the Gyro to aim your attacks.
6:20 Me: Aww, its Kermit The Frog! 6:26 oH gOsH
Ah yes. The elusive "3rd D". The most majestic of "D" and a resplendent wonder to have beholden. Indeed. Quite exquisite yet ever a rascal for it's shy nature. Truly an honored experience when one has a chance meeting with the "3rd D".
if you have three d's then you should donate your body to science
4D...hit me
They don't call him King DeDeDe for nothing
Tenacious D?
I agree. 3D platformers are amazing in my opinion, and especially nintendo ones!
But Arlo also makes the point that they are really difficult to make. When jumping is all you have, you had better absolutely nail both the physics and the level design or your game will fail.
coming back to this knowing about 3d kirby gives me great joy
Yes. Yes to all this. I've never even had a passing interest in Kirby, but if they made the game your talking about, I'd buy it just in the hope Nintendo would make more.
Imma hold you to that now. 😄
So how’s Forgotten Land?
Honestly, maybe I'm alone in this thought, but I was like 5 or 6 when I was first introduced to DK 64 and seeing the imagination and worlds and bosses blew my young mind. Every boss was introduced and you then saw they somehow get bigger cannons or doubled in size. Seeing the fear in the Kong's face made me scared and thinking "how on earth can I beat this!?" and then I would. Or how each Kong was unique and even when I was young, just by looking at them, I knew what their personality was like. I see that DK 64 is just a collectathon to most. But to me, no game was as influencial to my young developing mind than DK 64.
This right here. DK64 had problems mechanically but it had so much charm that even as a teenager, I just kept wanting to see what the setting for the next level would be and what insanity would be the gimmick of the level and boss fight.
As much as I love it, DK64 was absolutely a misfire but the potential was still there and the game was absolutely brimming with charm even if it didn't really work out mechanically.
Honestly, I disagree with most of the arguments people have about donkey kong 64. I don't want to get into it too much but I replay donkey kong 64 once a year, every year and I fall back in love with it every single time.
Well I personally enjoyed a lot playing DK64, for me this one and Banjo-Kazooie were some of my favorite games at that time, more than Super Mario 64. I love Donkey Kong as a character and as a series, way more than the rest of typical Nintendo characters (which I also like them). As time passed, though, I have replayed much more BK than DK64, and I do not consider it as a personal top-top game in my life. I celebrated a lot the comeback to 2D in Wii and Wii U/Switch. Being said that, I would not mind at all another attempt for DK to go 3D.
I feel like a 3D Kirby is definitely going to happen in the near future, Nintendo has being teasing it for a long time
I mean they tested it with Blowout Blast and Battle Royale
Wait, they have?
Snorlax Master in Planet Robobot there’s a mode where you play in little 3D sections, and also in Star Allies the world map looks like a 3D world
Hot take:
ANY company should make a 3D platformer. Seriously like, A Hat in Time was awesome. more of that please. Doesnt have to be a huge "Triple A" company like Nintendo.
I personally would prefer few and unique. I don't want the "3d plaformer" genre to get as stale as it was back then
I always thought they should make a sequel to DK64.
So many people kept telling me "But the game is bad! It wasn't made well! Why make another bad game?"
To that I say, the game had it's flaws, yes, but does that really mean a sequel would too? The game was ambitious and had so many good ideas. Why not focus on the good in that game and try to avoid what made it bad? Hell, we have so many talented indie developers making spiritual successors to better and worse games. It would be cool to see someone make a game inspired by something like DK64, and I'd be willing to bet they'd make a pretty penny off of it in the process.
To be honest, if there was any 3D Platformer I'd ever want to see again. It would be Sony's Ape Escape, I would be so excited to see something like that again.
Boogerfacekiller legit I want to play that game so badly but I don’t have a Playstation of any kind plus wasn’t that game kind of rare? It’d just be really hard to get my hands on it, but a re-release or a sequel would be so good. My only caveat is that the voice acting is as shitty as the original.
Ape Escape
Banjo Kazooie
Ratchet and Clank
Sly Cooper
Jak and Daxter
Crash
Spyro
Jet Set Radio
Chibi-Robo
Paper Mario
Conker
I just want to be able to play Ape Escape 3 on my PS4
@@MrLegendofLP they run really well on PCSX2 emulator for PC
Jordan Mynes I only have a Macbook Pro. It’s better for school stuff and I don’t have the money to drop for even a decent PC.
Okay, hear me out.
Ice Climbers 3D platformer where the purpose is to het higher and higher up the mountain, the peaks becoming more and more perilous as the journey goes on.
That would be fantastic. Plus, a second Ice Climbers game? That would be beautiful
That would be cool. I'd love for nintendo to stop neglecting their smaller series
Professor Pro I thought about that one time. A good name could be Ice Climber: Expedition.
Basically Jurney then
Hey bud, it’s called Celeste.
It’s my dream to make a really snappy, fast-paced 3D platformer, and the sheer lack of games in a genre I love really hurts.
I don’t know why Kirby hasn’t made the transition to 3D yet. I liked Star Allies, but it also felt really stale considering how similar the previous 3 games were. I hope that Blowout Blast was just the devs testing the waters to see if Kirby can work in 3D.
I love 2D Platformer, but I really wanna see more 3D ones. To be honest I want more 3D type games.
List of games I’d like to see as 3D platformers:
Kirby
Yoshi
Ice Climbers
DK
Princess Peach
Wario (Wario on the GameCube was golden, fight me)
yes. new warioland/world. and bring in waluigi. its what the people are clamoring for.
I would have a different top-5 list.
1. Ice Climbers
2. R.O.B
3. Chibi Robo
4. Kirby
5. Yoshi
I thjink Donkey Kong has found it's place again in the 2d platformer genre and shouldn't go away from it for a while. Peach should first get a minor 2d game to see if it works again before you can give her a big stand alone game. And honestly I'd first like a wario ware game before we get a big wario game man... I've been waiting so lkong for ware ware!
@@DaanCusters94 It's unfortunate with Chibi-Robo's three 3D platform games he couldn't stick and stay relevant. As someone who like his series as well; I cannot deny how horribly his games performed. It is a shame his games were unique and hand a charm all its own. Just wish they would have given him a better send off than that 2D side scrolling one one the 3DS
Remember when Camelot wanted to do a sequel to Donkey Kong 64? My heart broke. There's a lot in the DK universe now that could be used.
I'm with you Arlo, I want more 3d platformers, those were the games i fell in love with as a kid, and the lack of them these days has me bored of gaming. Well mostly. I need more
I'd like to get my hands on a donkey Kong 64 remake
They can probably make a 3D platform spin-off for Splatoon. The single player is pretty much 3D platforming with shooty things, just expand that platforming world.
Maybe a kind of reverse Super Mario Sunshine?
That would actually be a really cool spin off! Not sure how likely it is to happen, but if Nintendo did it right, I'm sure it would be amazing
So, a single play third person shooter.
@@Kaizykat One of the specials, i forget what it's called, in Splatoon 2 kinda functions and looks like the hover nozzle already, funnily enough.
Story mode has some platforming in it, so it could work
I honestly was more interested in the landscape of Octo Valley than the actual competitive game. I wanted to see what was on the other side of those mountains....I mean skybox.
Well, Kirby's been gearing up for a jump to 3D for a while. Kirby's Blowout Blast tested 3D controls, and Kirby Battle Royale tested 3D copy abilities. So I expect the next Kirby to be 3D
Spoilers? But the final battle in Star Allies had 3D in it. It wasn't platforming, but still full 3D
@@Duskool again, gearing up for that jump
I was thinking the same thing. They've really been playing around with 3D Kirby quite a bit, and I'd wager there's a definite reason for it.
I really love these "trial balloon" games Nintendo has been making lately, it's what gave us Captain Toad and I hope you're right and it will give us 3D Kirby.
Actually after Arlo said it the idea of a 3D Ice Climbers could actually be pretty cool. You could be in a Mountain range and have every Mountain be it's own level with the goal being, to climb up the highest of them.
So every level goes upwards in a way and you can explore caves or little plateaus while collecting stuff.
Also there could be a Progression system that tells you how many meters you managed to climb up. Nana and Popo can have different abilitys so it's similar to Luigi and Gooigi, where you need certain abilitys for certain puzzles and if you have a friend you can play in Co-Op Mode.
Maybe the Mountains are all different from each other. The highest Mountain would be the classic from the OG Ice Climbers with a heavy emphasis on an Icy and Snowy theme, but there could also be Dunelike Mountains, Volcanos, Jungle Mountains maybe some sort of Tower etc.
I would actually be really interested in this, after writing this comment.
I definatley agree with the sentiment of wanting more 3D games in general. While modern 2d style platformers are fine, there's always been a certain...I dunno, lackluster to them? If they want to do 2d they need to commit to it in terms of overall design. To have a 2d game with 3d assets just feels like "why didn't you just make it all the way 3d?". That's just me though haha
It’s insane that the game that invented a genre is still somehow one of the best over 20 years later. Nintendo really knew what they were doing.
That's the problem, any 3D platformer is going to be reviewed as simply "Mario, but it's not :(" They nailed it so perfectly that there isn't much room for new 3D platformers that seem independently original or innovative.
A good 3d DK game would be a guaranteed heavy hitter for the Switch imo. He's still one of Nintendo's most recognizable characters.
So they're finally here, performing for you
If you know the words, you can join in too
put your hands together if you wanna clap
As we take you through this monkey rap! HUH!
D.K.! Donkey, Kong!
As long as there's no Chunky or Tiny
@@averagefez EXCUSE ME
You heard me
I'd buy it, bring back K. Rool while you're at it
Another beautiful and soul moving performance by Arlo at the end. So talented 👏
I was pleasently surpised you put voodoo vince in the little montage xD
Kirby has so much potential in 3D it's still surprising it hasn't happened yet. It could certainly help space out the 2D games and prevent them from getting stale.
So much this man, a 3D Kirby game could be incredible, I mean just look at Kirby Air Ride, that games awesome and it's not even a full fledged adventure.
As much as I'd love it, the copy abilities present tons of design flaws in a 3D space, and I wouldn't want a 3D Kirby game if it meant dumbing the copy abilities down, since it's what makes Kirby unique in the first place
I disagree soooo much. Kirby is all about being the simplest, most linear and easy platformer, with very little focus on platforming. This definition alone screams "will fall flat like a cardboard cutout the moment it is made 3d". There's a 3d Kirby game, yeah, but look how much they changed the formula to make it work! It's not even open exploration.
@@Vexal50 Isn't Cappy in Odyssey basically just copy abilities in 3D?
@Landjrin Yes and no. The difference is Kirby's copy abilities are designed with more of a combat focus, wheras Cappy was more about movement
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the video when my dad walks in: Doom
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The video when my dad walks in:hunie pop
The video when my dad walks in: Sonic 06
@@JP-hk6xw THAT's gonna get you banned.
The video when my dad walks in.
Well my dad is dead. So I cant participate in this cruel game.
the thought of a 3D adventure kirby game had never even crossed my mind and now I can't stop thinking about how amazing that would be
Welp it finally happened and Kirby got a amazing transition into 3d!
I’ve never even had the chance to play a lot of the famous 3D platformers , but I’ve absolutely loved all the ones I have played and I’m 90% sure that if there were more of them available they’d be my favourite genre of game.
There's been a lot of cancelled 3D Kirby games. I feel like HAL desperately wants to make one but someone keeps saying no, and I don't think it's Sakurai.
@Caio Coelho And those cancelled games happened well over 15 years ago.
Or maybe they want to make a really good 3D Kirby rather than just having a 3D Kirby for the sake of having him in 3D, and they can't crack a compelling vision for what that game should be.
Kirby Air Ride on Gamecube was 3D
Cole Thomas free roam wasn’t the base game tho it was a racing game but I’m sure everyone spent mad hours in free roam, a whole Kirby game like that?? One could only hope
I’ve been wanting a 3D Donkey Kong game for a long time. Donkey Kong is my favorite fictional character, so I’ve always wanted to see another 3-D game in the series.
The levels in Donkey Kong country games are like no other, because they look like actual environments rather than just tiles and blocks, and I think some that’s something they could really capitalize on in a 3-D game. Tropical Freeze showcases some 3-D elements with the dynamic camera in the game end it looks beautiful! So it definitely can be done. For me, the levels in Donkey Kong country games give off a really good vibe that can’t be found in any other game. That’s why I really want to experience the donkey Kong universe in 3D so that the amazing vibe can be captured in a more expensive sense.
Regarding the gameplay, I agree with what you proposed. The only thing I would add is to make the game just a little more fast paced, aka make it feel more like Donkey Kong Country. Because Donkey Kong 64 did feel a bit slow at times.
And for the story, I’d have King K Rool not only return as the villain, but also reveal that he was secretly responsible for the events in Donkey Kong Country Returns and Tropical Freeze. Lord Fredrik already looks like King K Rool in disguise, so that could tie into the previous games very well.
Awesome video!
Same, love this idea, i've not seen any DK game, even tropical Freeze etc quite nail the atmosphere of the originals, they had such great environments, dark rainy storms, snow, lava, dark swamps etc, I loved the quality of the graphics in Mario Rabbids, if they could use an engine like that, it could look amazing.
I'm drawn to this type of games, can agree with the puppet
I would love to see Kirby do a 3D game, even if it was just an expanded version of the 3D minigame in robobot. Kirby feels like he'd fit perfectly in the 3D space if we just test with the basics before adding the copy abilities.