The Zelda Universe is Ready For a BIG Change
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 พ.ย. 2019
- I think Zelda's in for some really big changes in the coming games, and I'mma tell you why. (Spoiler alert for like, every Zelda ever by the way.)
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The only reasonable way to shake things up is to reveal the sequel we’ve all been waiting for: “Link’s Crossbow Training 2: Switching Ammunition”.
That whole theme park was filled with great games. I absolutely love the donkey Kong one you tilt the controller to move the cart.
I wish they would release that game, with sequels or large additions & online. I would pay $60 to have that on my Switch
mushy you’re thinking of Nintendo Land, but your point still stands.
@@Protendo yes I couldn't think of it. I loved Nintendo Land as a pack in. I enjoyed it way more than Wii Sports.
Think they will port Nintendo Land? Maybe add to it? I had a lot of fun with many of those games for years
mushy I don’t think it’ll get a port, since it’s main goal was to show off the Wii U’s unique gameplay possibilities, many of which wouldn’t work well with the Switch. A sequel is always possible though, if unlikely.
Link's awakening sequel : Marin gets to live this time Edition
"I can fill a video of villain ideas"
DO IT
Kyan Chambers YYYYESSS
Kyan Chambers please
Was just about to post this :p
PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE
yes do it
Seeing a Termina completely recreated like BotW is my fever dream.
Let's hope we get in breath of the wild 2.
Regardless of whether I'd like that or not, I don't believe it will happen. They had ideas for DLCs and ended up writing a whole sequel... Termina wouldn't be possible in DLCs for BOTW as it is.
I THOUGH I WAS THE ONLY ONE
Hopefully travel time wont be an issue if they do do that
I tried to get to Termina through lost woods once.
The most amazing thing about this video....
... was learning that I could have rolled through Ganon’s legs all those years ago in Ocarina of Time...
TravisTouchdownATL exactly what I was thinking
You poor soul, how did you defeat him without rolling under his legs??
@@andreacall3024 Stand with Link's face in Ganon's crotch, and mash attack because the sword's tip would hit the base of Ganon's tail through his legs
You fucking idiot
@@andreacall3024 Light arrows are supposed to stun him. The area drops arrows and magic jars, So very little chance that you cant beat him as intended.
Once Ganon is freed of Demise's curse, Demise can move on to the ideal host.
Tingle.
Linkle
Made my day XD
@@77wolfblade Not my baby.
thunderzap7 the sequel we deserve
At that point is it even worth trying to save Hyrule?
"There's a limit to how many times you can tell the same exact story"
Tell that to Game Freak.
Negi White Give us a new black and white story god dammit
jediguy 12 you tryna start one boi
@Just Squid To be fair, Game Freak was burned by the Fanbase for BW.
Sir, this is a Wendy’s.
@@TheSorrel Only by genwunners though.
what if when Kohga fell down the big hole he just landed on ganon and woke him up
GOD FREAKING DANG IT
That would be hillarious and make sense
My neighbor Ganondorf
Or what if he fell to Termina?
@@CRAZYNATE25beal And so, the hero of Termina had to save the land from a giant falling ninja, however, unlike hero fo time, who ventured into the vast land of Termina long, long ago, our hero had only 3 seconds and before he knew it, he met a terrible fate.
I feel like going full sci-fi would be a stretch, since Zelda's medieval aesthetic is what drew me in in the first place
Plus, the sci-fi aesthetic is getting a little saturated, and it’s been a while since we’ve had a gritty medieval zelda game like twilight princess
John Thwing I agree man. I hated that Nintendo gave link a motorcycle at the end of BotW DLC. I like my chosen hero on horseback. I feel like the series would feel more like final fantasy if they incorporate more futuristic tech.
Remy Lebeau it wouldn’t feel like a FF game: it’s Nintendo. They’d find away to make it like Zelda, or at least like no other game
alvareo92 I said what I said.
I'd kill for a sort of Steampunk aesthetic
*9 years later, after beating the new Zelda game:*
Dang, I can't believe Zelda was Jurassic Park 2 the entire time.
Payton Smith ironic because there’s a new Jurassic Park movie coming out in 2021. Maybe Nintendo might want to capitalize on that... The Legend of Zelda: Journey to Jurassic Park. Link and Zelda get tickets to go to Jurassic Park, but Ganondorf shuts off the power and releases the dinosaurs so that way he can steal the Triforce of courage and wisdom from Link and Zelda with an army of dinosaurs. It’d be game of the year.
@@doubleflores8350 lmao sounds wacky but really cool
Holy shit; pass the pipe!
If only this could happen 😂
Double flores someone make a mod!!!
Unrelated, but remember when we were excited about a picture of mario eating a watermelon
Context?
@@blujay_tv100 During the summer holidays nintendo posted a picture of mario in shorts eating a watermelon quoting both odyssey and Sunshine making some people think the next game would be sunshine 2 and it would be announced soon.
Arlo went GameExplain analysis on them. Turned out to bu just a fun picture by nintendo...
@@DaanCusters94 It's a fun picture until it happens
Merin We can still be excited about that.
We get way too excited sometimes
Breath of the Wild was the first appearance of a living Ganon in over ten years. And we're still counting since the last time we've seen Ganondorf. They released five games back to back that had no trace of Ganon, except his corpse in A Link Between Worlds. They're not using him too much. In fact they're barely using him at all. A few games without Ganon would not be unprecedented at all. He's featured in less than half (8/18) of them as it stands. And human form Ganondorf is only in three!
It's likely the idea of Ganon that he's grown tired of rather than the execution. While Ganon (and to a much lesser extent Ganondorf) have been in less games than people think, he has been mentioned/affected the story enough for it to get tiring.
Of those games there's only a single one in which he affects the plot without being featured (A Link Between Worlds). He appears on the Game over screen of Zelda II and as a phase of the final boss in Link's Awakening, but neither of those are story influencing. They're basically cameos. Unless Arlo is suggesting they abandon the character and never utilize him again ever, then his wish has already been granted. Ganon was dropped from main series Zelda for a literal decade.
@@Jotari True, but I agree with him to a degree. I'm by no means really tired of Ganondorf, but it'd be so cool to see demise officially use another vessel (even if it's for only one game) or see another kingdom entirely, though I know it's not likely any time soon.
We saw another kingdom just a two games ago in Hytopia and the Drablands. What people really want is to see the major console releases of Zelda (ie the 3D games) do something different. The series has been straying from Ganondorf, Hyrule and the Triforce ever since 1993, it's just they play it safe when it comes to the big budget titles. Majora's Mask is the only instances of a major 3D game that abandoned these common elements (and even then that game's budget was probably pretty small given how much they reused). I'm not saying I wouldn't want to see the Zelda series do more experimental stuff, but to say that it doesn't is ignoring more than every second game.
Tepes yeah I’d like to so an incarnation of Demise that isn’t Ganondorf as well
I feel like this would be pretty amazing - Demise is dead now after Zelda spent all her Hylia power nuking him. The curse is broken. Gannondorf is no longer a puppet of Demise. Gannondorf is AWARE OF having been a puppet of Demise. Gannondorf is PISSED OFF about all his reincarnations having been puppets of Demise, AND HIS PEOPLE suffering as a result of Demise's actions. And so... he makes peace with Hyrule. He, Link, and Zelda resolve their differences, even though they don't LIKE each other they put it aside. To fight a new threatening challenge. At first it seems like Gannondorf is going to be the enemy again. But then he just lurks and carefully approaches, not doing anything bad. He's wary about this contact, and reluctant, and still a little spiteful. But he has to get over it and isn't going to let whatever resentment he still has get in the way of his people's needs. And maybe he has some legitimate grievance to air against Hyrule to explain his motivations for actions he's been demonized for. Gannondorf can be a sympathetic antihero. His speech in WindWaker was pretty damn amazing. When you have people you rule who are counting on you, and the gods are being spiteful, you still have to be responsible and act in your people's interest even if another kingdom calls it evil or becomes the victim.
@Fluffynator Because they've already told that story over and over and so no longer need the established villain to play that role.
Arlo's Jurassic Park 2 Theory seems to be pretty solid.
I mean, the Convergence theory has a precedent in Hyrule Warriors. All they had to do was make it canon .
@@aardbei54 *Arlo's Jurassic Park 2 theory* FTFY
@@silversonic99 Hes referring to the convergence theory, not arlos jurassic park 2 theory
Lynn
@@disgustedluigi Just making a joke, I'm aware :)
"Three separate events can't have occurred simultaneously in your past"
*Laughs in Elder Scrolls lore*
DRAGON BREAK
DRAGON BREAK
They definitely can have occurred, though. Remember, this is *10,000+ years* we are talking about. *Anything* can happen in this timespan. For all we know, every timeline repeated itself 190 times. And notice that I said 10,000+ as opposed to simply 10,000, because while BotW alludes to some events that happened 10,000 years ago, those events involve the origin of Calamity Ganon, a villain that does not exist in any other game, implying that those events 10,000 years ago themselves happened WAY after everything in whatever timeline. For all we know, there literally could be a 1,000,000 year gap between Calamity Ganon origin and the latest events of any timeline. Nothing that Nintendo stated prohibits this from being the case. The gap could 10 years, a million years, a billion gazillion jillion croutonillion years. Who knows? So, yes, literally anything can happen in the timespan.
@@angelmendez-rivera351 I somewhat disagree with what you're saying given that the main villain in BotW is still technically Ganondorf. Given that the "story" of BotW *barely* explained anything regarding it's Lore when it comes to Calamity and Zelda's "Sealing Powers" that to me only implies that Nintendo always intended to make a follow up to BotW either as a DLC or full out sequel in order to fully explain the current "situation" of the series.
Javier Vásquez Nintendo only intended to make a sequel to BotW because they realized that giving BotW the self-contained story they had envisioned was impossible. There just was not enough time. The game had already been delayed two years and they could not delay it further. And as much as BotW is packed with content, there was going to be A LOT more content in BotW originally. It had to be scrapped because there simply was no time, once again. Sure, they released DLC to tie loose ends, but at the end of the day, they knew they needed a sequel. None of that disproves anything I said in my comment. Sure, the villain "may be" Ganondorf, but BotW is the only game in which Calamity Ganon exists. That's not missing lore, that's just a straight up fact. Play all 19 canonical The Legend of Zelda games and you will never see a Ganondorf sealed by a green hand nor the origins of the Calamity Ganon. This alone proves my point: the events from 10,000 years prior from the events of BotW are completely disconnected from any of the games in the timeline, with any arbitrary timespan from said events and the latest events in any given timeline. And once again, this still just means that arbitrarily many things can happen in such large timespans. That has absolutely nothing to do with BotW's sequel. C'mon, read my comment more carefully next time.
@@angelmendez-rivera351 I get what you're saying. 👌 STILL you really are ignoring the true identity behind the being known as Calamity *GANON.* Just because "it" looks like something we've never seen before in the WHOLE series that doesn't mean it's not meant to be the same character in a new form. As you say BotW was originally going to have even more content to which i assume would have included a full elaborated narrative story explaining Ganondorf's transformation into the Calamity but since we DIDN'T that can only mean Nintendo decided to leave the ending of the game open ended in order to fully develop the story in a direct sequel.
Ganondorf has ALWAYS been part of the series's Mythology ever since the original The Legend of Zelda. As such it would be really out of place for Nintendo to suddenly and magically dismiss one of the 3 "core elements" that represent the Ultimate Divine Power that sustains the World of Zelda(The Triforce) and replace it with a brand new villain "just because".
I hope we'll get to see more of the Yiga Clan in future Zelda games
I'm pretty sure we will tbh
Same they seem to get hate but they kinda cool tbh
I hope they make a small Zelda game based off them
Better yet, I want a villain, an actual villain with a real plot and motives from Yiga clan. Kohga is still a "meh" and fight with him is way too easy. They're the one who want to ressurrect Ganon in the first place, they can definitely adds up more interesting events.
You were right
"There is a limit to how many times you can tell the exact same story."
Game Freak: "Hold my beer...."
Marvel, DC, Disney, etc. Any one creator will eventually tell the same story with enough works. Telling the same thing isn't the issue, is just how you tell it that needs to be engaging. Hence why people still want the same things with the excitement of the new.
tell that to fucking mario. seriously i'd like a new plot except for peach gets fucking captured. it's one of the reasons why i stopped playing main mario games.
@@Vvonter exactly. just look how many iterations of Seven Samurai there are. I mean Star Wars used that story TWICE now
@@potatoking4227 the next Mario , Peach is gonna kidnap Mario and we will play as bowser
@@potatoking4227
Pretty odd to go into a mario game expecting a story
Thats like playing an Elder Scrolls game and expecting a Sci-Fi space adventure
Or playing a megaman game and expecting quality
*Points out how technology has advanced in the games*
*Doesn't mention Spirit Tracks*
Great game. Super underrated
@@moriallen643 favriote Zelda game
My FAVOURIT
Game I want to see - discovery of New Hyrule, Tetra as a playable companion for the whole game.
RIIIIGHT???? Please give Spirit Tracks some love too... ;-;
in breath of the wild 1 you collect links memories
in breath of the wild 2 you collect ganondorf's memories
why? because the glowy hand
That would be dope but I hope it ain’t the only fulfilling bits in the story like the first one. I liked collecting the memories, but didn’t like how it was the only bit of story we really got in the game besides the 2 minute origin tale
In botw 3, you collect Hylia’s memories.
Honestly Nintendo should just hire you guys right now
@@TheBrutalSax there was a lot of lore in BOTW, but it's all in the form of extremely long books
so i hope they actually have a story
This would be a cool concept to add especially if it is implemented with Ganondorf's 'redemption' saga. That's like putting the icing on the cake. It would let us connect with him to a deeper level and learn who he is behind what the game always let us see him.
"Zelda is getting predictable meh"
Metroid fans: "you say that like it's a bad thing?"
Red Foreman: He's a doper!Leo: Well you say that like it's a BAD thing mannn
@@samuelhatlestad6676 you win the internet
hahaha thanks
@Nik Tri I just wanna buy the metroid prime trilogy for the THIRD TIME. i bought the original 3 games at $60 each and the trilogy collectors edition. And here i am again like have some more money Nintendo but i guess they dont want my money?
Plot Twist: Navi comes back as the main villian
Unknown Species “Hey! Look! Listen! Oh Yeah?!?”
Why didn't you just listen to me, LINK!?
feels like 2004 in here
" You didn't listen Link, I tried to tell you but YOU JUST WOULDN'T LISTEN. Well, now it's time to MAKE YOU LISTEN"
If we’re playing with that idea, I think Fi is the better fit. She’s already a calculating asshole who treats you like a moron.
The Inevitability Timeline
Where so much time has passed in each split, that all paths eventually lead into Breath of the Wild due to some unchangeable series of events.
Is there a Snap Timeline?
Hm.. someone should make a video on that
I'm subbed to you. Yay.
i remember that vid
@@troyoboyo17 I wonder who.
"Zelda ain't the same Zelda you used to know anymore."
The game, the series, or the character?
"Yes."
SMARTASS
@@travv88 Chancellor Nappa, what do you think?
@@Bobb11881 Stab the baby.
@@theinimitablejora522 Are you sure?
Evan Peskoff look we have a meeting with Freeza at six so either stab the baby or were gonna have to move it
When I first played BotW I thought the old man in the beginning was Ganon. I thought the story was going to be that when Ganon took over 100 years before he awakened an ancient evil so great that he couldn't control it and he basically fucked up Hyrule as a result. Then realizing the folly of being a king without a kingdom, he exiled himself and was going to try to work with Link to try and save Hyrule. I was actually disappointed when none of this was true and it was just the king of hyrule telling Link he needed to stop Ganon. Again.
Bruh this sounds amazing :O Everyone would have been absolutely FLOORED if that happened...
Wow you're a fooking idiot
Most people expect too much out of Nintendo, but an assumption like this is another level!
This was a very popular theory at the time
@@kylegaddison709 I lowkey thought he was Ganon at first too. His face was shrouded and his bearded.
Okay, hear me out here.
Breath of the Wild, but it's flooded and it's always raining.
Even more water!
Oh, and there are 9000 Korok Seeds instead of 900.
imagine if that is in breath of the wild 2. it'd be even more shit than breath of the wild which is saying a lot.
I think that would kill The Completionist
Every time you move a pixel on land or in the air you get a new seed
Well, there goes any climbing abilities we already have
@@potatoking4227 why are you hating on botw on a botw video's comment section?
Imagine if they made Zelda a girl for the next game
I know right and what if they gave zelda a gun!
they *WOULDN’T*
Y though
Squantle would be a cool change!!
woah
Arlo: what if we get a steampunk aesthetic
Spirit tracks: *am I a fucKING JOKE TO YOU*
Yes. You are
And with those three words, spirits tracks’ whole career has been thrown out the window.
oof.
Yes. The answer is yes.
3 word joke. Hero of trains. (I really enjoyed spirit tracks though. Especially hunting for bunnies)
You and I are two very different types of Zelda fan.
You: this video
Me: I just want Link to wear green again
Then you should go beat all 120 shrines. That, or...I dunno, just dye some clothes.
YES
I'm upset he diesnt get it early but at least he has a specific green tunic for him
@@bushidorox Or get any of the million zelda amiibo.
store.nintendo.com/amiibo.html
Iivaitte what the hell is a amiibo???
I have an idea. At the end of botw 2 Ganon has a change of heart and it's up to the player as to whether to trust him or to kill him. This in turn creates another split in the timeline where one line is Zelda games without Ganon at all and another is the Ganon blood line become supporting characters that assist link.
The "good" Ganondorf would feel too much like Bowser. If they can avoid that while still implementing this time split idea I think it's terrific!
I think Zelda’s done with split timelines for now.
When they fix the time line
Zelda theorist: You did WHAT?
@Craig Adams idk what you're on about
Ah yes. A futuristic Zelda game where an evil goron turns into a chihuahua.
If a farm boy can turn into a wolf then a goron can turn into a chihuahua
@@burnttoast6974 I mean your not wrong
Isn't it gerudo?
Goron: Did you just assume my fursona species??
If I may quote one of the Nintendo fans in the New York store when BOTW 2 was announced:
*“Breath of the Wild 2. IN SPACE!”*
I like that idea, kinda
Botw1 was originally supposed to have Aliens, and Ganondorf as an ally (whos apparently a Metallica fan). So anything could happen.
@@halowillneverbegoodagain1868 Wait *WHAT*
@@iappearateveryfunction FOR WHO DA BELL TOLLS!
@@halowillneverbegoodagain1868 BotW originally having aliens is true, but I don't know about Ganondorf being an ally and Metallica fan... source?
I want a game in Lorule starring Ravio and Hilda
Not gonna lie I liked Yuga and wished his artist motif was used a lot more in the game.
I thought I was the only one who wanted this lol
Same, I'm glad I'm not the only one
the fact that you have Zelda, Link and Ganon/Ganondorf doesn't make it boring! you can write a hundred stories about the same premise and they can all be entertaining and unique
Arlo completely forgot about Train Zelda: The Game With the Train in it
Fuck that game
Yeah fuck that game
sksksk he mentions the main villain from that game
sksksk How dare he forget “The Hero of Trains”
What’s wrong with spirit tracks D:
"I could probably fill an entire video with just ideas for villains!"
...yes please?
Butternut squash?
In the Elder Scrolls there is a thing called "The Warp In the West" where all possible outcomes of Daggerfalls endings occurred simultaneously. I feel like the convergence idea could make sense if was kinda based around that idea
I think i heard someone like NintendoBlackCrisis or something say “Breath of the Wild is Infinity war and the sequel is Endgame”
oh dear lords, we're all fucked :/
@@SuperEkkorn we can fix this with different movies. Botw is batman begins and botw 2 is the dark knight.
@@COOLMCDEN i like the way you think
@@COOLMCDEN But then we get a Dark Knight Rises and that's just meh
@Darth Kennedy Well yeah but in comparison.
tingle is the 4th hidden part of the "quad" force and you can't tell me otherwise
Otherwise
You mean The empty Space Upside down triangle is represented by Tingle!? Then does that mean Lorule, the updside down version of Hirule has its own hero.
Tingle the hero we didn’t deserve while also the one we don’t need.
Tingle is the hole in the middle. Not a missing piece, but, like, the negative space. :D
otherwise
tingle is god
I want a spin off that’s like a stardew valley theme game from a different character but living in the time of the hero. So we get to see the aftermath of Zelda and Link and be a character helping restore the land. I mean maybe just me but I’d love to explore Hyrule that way.
YES
I would love a bloodborne style gothic-victorian era-styled zelda but sort of like final fantasy 9 with lots of magical technology
Best ff
It would be awesome
We need that rehydrated dorf redemption. Or, at least, I need it.
Ooooohhhhhh... Twitter is EXTREMELY thirsty for the rehydration, too!
This is why some fans shouldn't be allowed to appropriate the story of these types of games.
Sounds like a rockstar game
Also, hope he looks nothing like what Twitter and Tumblr want him too look like.
@@doclouis4236 +0]!
I've always favored the theory that BotW is the "real world" and the three timelines are essentially legends.
The Legends of Zelda, as it were.
Perhaps so lost in time that historians debate on what exactly happened?
Perhaps the three timelines represent prevailing theories historians would debate the time before the Calamity?
That’s really interesting. I like it!
That would be the best of all the possible retcons. It’d make up for the contradictions and give credence to the name *Legend* of Zelda.
That is my theory too. That BOTW is the 'real' Hyrule, and that the other games are mainly that, just legends.
Maybe that is why the books and characters for this game call everything prior to 10,000 years ago as 'The Era of Myth.' Most of the games called the events of the previous games from before them as 'legends' so might be the devs are implying through them to take the games as legends and myths rather then literal history.
Infinite Fretboard Well, that is exactly how Nintendo intended to go since the very first game in the series. That is how the envisioned these Legend of Zelda games in mind: as legends told about an overlying reality which we can learn about, but we can't directly observe. Of course, American fans never liked this approach and wanted something more like a linear chronology. So Nintendo gave a half-assed chronology with inconsistent timeline splits at Ocarina of Time. And they realized it was a mistake. And they wanted to reboot the series. So, easy solution: the entire timeline itself IS the legend. And then that legend is being told within the real world. That real world is BotW, and we know this is how it is because Nintendo made it implicit multiple times that BotW was a reboot to the whole franchise and more loyal to what they actually wanted to do with the series when first envisioned. This is why Nintendo cleverly placed BotW at the end of all three timelines without convergence.
This is definitely strengthened by the fact that three historians in BotW literally debate the causes of the deaths of the 3 leviathans, aka the 3 timelines, and none can agree but all have strong and contradictory evidence for each, much like BotW's timeline placement (history).
Ok hear me out:
Dark souls/sekiro style game called majora where you play as the fierce deity and the story explains the deal with the fierce deity/majoras mask
Hey, I'm due to get a Switch at Christmas (I haven't owned a Nintendo since the N64) and so have been on the lookout for channels to help me keep up to date with the system and also reviews and some entertainment along the way, I just wanted to say that after seeing the first of your thumbnails and thinking it was an episode of Sesame Street I've just binge watched quite a few. You speak a lot of sense and I enjoy the theories & humour in them, keep up the good work, I'll be staying tuned! :)
Yo get a Wii with a gamecube in it and play the GC and Wii Zelda titles to tide you over. I can't imagine it breaking the bank.
U know you screwed up when the fan theories are disproved by "the theory is to cool"
Honestly I feel like that’s just most fan theories
i feel like this one was something miyamoto wanted since wind waker, but he is only a sort of passive producer now.
We can only hope that the current team are thoughtful fans and have a sort of endgame planned for the character that feels right.
Closure is important, and it feels like zelda has been wanting to be free of its narrative restraints for a while, they can do something with the meta narrative, and spiritually retire the reincarnation plot, or they can choose to ignore it.
@@SAGERUNE Link, Zelda, Ganondorf=Courage, Wisdom, Power=Farore, Nayru, Din=Wind, Water, Fire.
This 3 characters and the many "triune" elements that sustain the Zelda Universe are at the very heart of this franchise. To completely erase any of the 3 is to take away the very *identity* of what makes the The Legend of Zelda franchise. Were such a thing to happen how could anyone argue that the franchise would still remain truthful to it's core Mythology? 😐😕 I can agree that Ganondorf has been an overused antagonist over the years as Arlo suggests on his videos but that in NO WAY means Nintendo has to simply take him away from the "equation". That would be really hypocritical given Link and Zelda's own constant presence and relevance in the whole series as well. What they should do instead of giving away Ganondorf is to *expand* the World of Zelda in such a way so that it would include more villains and storylines that would add to the Lore of the series in ways we've never seen before(like with Link's Awakening, Majora's Mask, Phantom Hourglass, etc.) while ignoring Ganondorf *for a while.* Nintendo need only gives us more games and time to ignore the "Ganondorf plotline" and then (after a considerable amount of time has passed) give us a new story that completely surprises us with a new incarnation of the Gerudo King of Thieves. This new incarnation of Ganondorf could still have altered motivations and original personality traits while still remaining the "same character" as seen in before games. Do that and the franchise will only continue to remain both original and exciting while still keeping itself truthful to it's core themes.
That idea right there is far more preferable than to randomly decide to kill him off just because "it's been a long time with the same villain". 😧 If you're gonna be like that then i'll argue that the same thing applies to both Link and Zelda for i see no REAL reason why they shouldn't also be removed from the series as well. 😬
To be really honest if you were to *forever* take Ganondorf away from the franchise then i see NO reason nor justification why you shouldn't do the same thing with Link and Zelda. 😒 Might as well change the name of the franchise if you are at it. Call it "The Legend of Tingle" for it's clear that Zelda has already passed her time too.
*No Ganondorf means NO The Legend of Zelda.* 😩😣
@@javiervasquez8995 Totally agree. From a narrative perspective, for coherence of the lore, it should stay.
Although, since BoTW is the last chronologically, it would be nice to see the characters trying to interact with their core myths/fates, like trying to break Ganon's curse. I don't know think they should succeed, they should fail, maybe even unleashing a greater evil or strengthening Ganon's curse of reincarnation. But it would make sense, after so many years of the process since SS, that Zelda and Link would gather evidence on the curse and try to break its cycle.
This attempt to interact with the curse could lead to enhancing the lore, adding ideas and revealing stuff about the deities that we don't know, much like extending the universe, as you said. The greatest benefits that BoTW and SS extreme time lime can bring to the lore is add elements and expand them, be it through the original stories and conditions of the lore, like SS, or through more experienced and knowledgeable characters, that would try to interact with their fates (and if successful at that, would rather transcend and enhance future interactions than change its core)
@@javiervasquez8995 As Arlo said in the video, Ganondorf, Link, and Zelda aren't the only reoccurring things in the timeline. So if Link and Zelda (in the next game) manage to brake Ganandorf's curse specifically, that doesn't mean that he still won't be reincarnated throughout the series. As Arlo stated in the video again, Demise will just have to find a new host (or reincarnate again. It's pretty unclear 😐).
I think this is the best option, because instead of ignoring Ganondorf for a few games to freshen things up, we get a new (or returning) villan, and just change Ganandorf's dinamic with the characters (to freshen things up). He could help out by leading the gerudos against the new villan. Or take the villans side, and we could see a return to the evil Ganondorf we're used to.
TL;DR: Remove Ganon's curse only in next game=new villan and keeping reincarnation. Wich=keeping Ganondorf.
Arlo: Zelda is ready for a big change!
*Breath of the Wild 2 intensifies*
probably going to have the same gameplay as botw1 just more like twilight princess with it being the darkest in the franchise. (and if you say majora's mask is darker, it's only sad)
potatoking124 map will probably be similar as well
@@lordjack225pig2 i'd just expect more things to do while exploring
I agree. A new Demise's pawn would work wonders. And I would also like to see Ganondorf follow a "good" way.
Would still love to see the story arc of a jaded old man Link.
kinda like Luke Skywalker in the sequel trilogy
@@jacksonsweat712 Not even close. More like Hero's Shade with skin. Battle hardened, scarred, badass, tormented, and hurting. In their tongue he is Dovahkliink! Dragon Link!
My dream is that the sequel comes out next year...
But all dreams are crushed constantly, look at Pikmin 4
I no that feel man.
Well people care abot Zelda not pigmen 5
WTF IS A PIKMAN?
I still have PTSD from when I realized there will be no half life 3.
MatchesMalone A lot of people care about Pikmim
Maybe Demise eventually said, "You know, screw it. I'm just going to obliterate you now." And he deployed Calamity Ganon at equal times in all branches, causing them to collapse. Calling this the Impatience Theory.
Interesting Idea.
I think the Zelda series going in the direction of gull on sci-fi is very possible, considering how the original drafts for The Legend of Zelda was going to incorporate the idea of traveling between two time periods: the medieval-style past, and the far off sci-fi future. Recycling that potential setting would be extremely interesting, even for one spin off.
"Do you like Zelda? I like Zelda 2"
You heretic.
EDIT: Wow. Honestly, thank you so much for the likes! Hope y'all having a great time despite the current situation!
I like Zelda 3 biotch
I like Zelda TP *takes out roll with Zelda characters printed on it*
I like Zelda WW. *shows diet plan*
@@jokingbanana1042 I am "Mario teaches typing" type of guy
Why the hell do you thank strangers over meaningless actions on the internet?
I would love to see a Zelda game where you have a role in the Great Hyrule Civil War
A few points I thought of while watching.
- Way back when, A Link to the Past was originally planned to halfway take part in an era of high tech, instead of the dark world.
- BotW had concepts for 90s style Link I'm sure we all have seen by now. It was just one drawing from early concept phase but the idea prevails.
I'd love to see scifi Zelda with a minor twist on the old formula. Instead of technology based on magic that is long forgotten, the technology is there but *the magic is leaving* (TM). And you have to find the mac guffins and Zelda to bring back the triforce and use it to restore the *Glory of the Old Land* with a message about environmentalism even more akin to Ghibli movies than BotW was. Idk I think the real scifi treatment would feel like the fresh take Nintendo has been putting of for way too long...
Loved this video so much! It’s funny, I’m working on a Zelda project of my own and I had already included so many of the ideas you mention here. I think we all would love, for example, a new Ganondorf that isn’t actually the bad guy (in my story, he’s reincarnated just as Zelda and Link, but he kinda remembers all the stuff he went through in his past life and decides he doesn’t want to be Demise’s puppet anymore, so he casts that spirit away and Demise has to find a new vessel). I also think Nintendo wants to make a drastic change for the series and I’m all in for that. Thank you so much for all of your videos and the amount of work that it takes! los, I’d love to watch an entire video of your ideas of a new villain 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Link talks
I’m joking that won’t ever happen.
Again
There's a part of me that legitimately thinks that Link could have speak in the BotW sequel. That more so stems from he possibility of Zelda doing more than being trapped until she can be freed and blast Ganon into oblivion.
King K Rool Fan three letters for you
CDI
King K Rool Fan
Again.
It won’t ever happen again.
Link says "I found a mirror under the table" in Zelda 2
Well excUUUuuuUUUse me, princess!
Zelda story theories in particular are the most dangerous game Arlo. Much like typewriting monkeys, a bunch of impatient nerds chattering to each other on a webpage do eventually create great stories. Create stories that we get so invested in and are so high concept that the illusion we create in our individual heads to fill in the gaps is perfectly catered to our individual tastes, and end up worlds better than anything a professional writing staff will ever achieve. I was on the Nsider forums in it's prime. I've seen the damage that investing in fan theories causes to one's mind.
It's a dark magic, one that is alluring, and ultimately, corrupts...and it's delicious to indulge in every single time. Cast your dark spell on us Arlo!
i can literally quote zelda ' he has given up on reincarnation' and so when they kill him in botw 2 he will be permanently dead, maybe
Mistranslation. It says exactly the opposite in Japanese, he has taken this form out of despair for his desire to reincarnate successfully.
Oh k, thanks
I think it's both a mistranslation and a misunderstanding. Calamity Ganon looked and felt incomplete to me. Like he wasn't fully reincarnated yet. The only reason I was still alive was because he wasn't fully back yet. The "he has given up on reincarnation" bit to me meant he had been holding back in the previous fight. This was him going all out in a last ditch attempt to stop me before he was fully defeated again. That's what I got from it anyway.
I don’t mind indefinite incarnations of Ganon(dorf). But a cool switch up, might be if Twin Rova were reincarnated and went on a quest to find the perfect vessel to carry Demise’s spirit. They could implant corrupting Demise seeds into different characters of different races and create a host of major villains. (This, as I type it, seems very similar to Sailor Moon S. But maybe.)
I will never not call it "Arlo's Jurassic Park 2 theory"
The Legend of Samus: link to the future
Okay but then put Samus in a suit of knights armor and set her in medival times.
Wow! Your Jurassic world 2 theory is insanely perfect! Great work!
2:50 Nah, Tingles’ just an immortal deity. He can travel across time, space, and timelines.
Our mortal minds can’t comprehend Tingles true form. For seeing it would make space implode upon itself and the very fabric of time would tear and break. Tingle is an entity capable of destruction we cannot even understand.
Problem is he became immortal after hitting 50. Sad story bro.
No god. Only Tingle.
This is actually true according to one of his games
Could you imagine if they lifted Ganonford of Demais curse and a reincarnation of him appeared in a future game as an ally
5:30 - This has been my guess since shortly after the game came out. It plays into the sense that we're given by SS + BotW that everything is inevitable. Link, Zelda, and any number of mortals can rage against fate, but it will just keep happening.
Breath of Wild is the 'Inevitable Timeline'.
For now, anyway.
Two things I've always thought would be cool, would be to either have another fight against Demise, he was one of my favorite villains, or revisit Midna and the twilight realm
"A big change is coming to Zelda"
Ah yes what I always wanted a sequel to Wand of Gamelon and Many Faces of Evil
Albert The Peacock *I WONDER WHAT’S FOR D I N N E R*
@Jacob Tidwell I just wonder what Philips' up to.
Lamp Oil? Rope? It's your's my friend!
A sequel is yours, my friend. As long as you have the R U B I E S
The whole sci-fi concept was considered for BOTW, but was scrapped
It was also considered at the very beginning of the series' history, and that Link was the link between the technological future, and the ancient past.
@Just Squid I would totally buy space zelda. No idea what they would do with it but I'm in.
I said this in another comment, but it could be like Disney's Atlantis. That movie was an awesome Sci-fi fantasy mix.
@Burger Boss We time traveled once on console and once in handheld, you fucking idiot.
Whoa Masahiro Sakurai! It’s really you! Just asking, do you have any plans for kid icarus?
about a month late, but A Link to the Past was supposed to have a futuristic realm. There is art depicting Zelda in galaxy like clothing
I feel like Arlo suggests at least two video ideas each video and I would totally watch each of those subsequent videos
We are all calling it Arlo’s Jurassic Park 2 theory.
Gimme a game where you play as Ganondorf growing up and realizing he's meant for this huge, horribly evil, sorcerous task and have to come to terms with it.
Ganandorf would be so cool if we could see how he grew up
That'd be awesome, we did kinda see that in WW but only at the end of his life, he seems very self aware of his position in that game later on, I don't see many people bring it up but he never uses his boar form, fights like a gerudo by choice, tries to spare Link despite vastly overpowering him and he compares his situation to a puppet with his puppet ganon scene.
@@triggerpigking3741 He also came to resent and hate "the Gods"(the Goddesses?). Wether that was "him" or Demise's Curse one has to wonder if wether the Golden Godessess might have some sort of "stake" in the whole Demon War that has been waged over the history of the series. ¿Maybe the Goddesses are the ones that *want* Ganondorf to be evil?
He really seems like he should have an interesting life story every time.
I always found Ganon in WW to be super relate-able and even likable in a strange grandfatherly way.
Botw 1: Past (Memories)
Botw 2: Present
Botw 3 (yes I’m convinced it’s a trilogy): future (Visions)
There's also a theory that each game will be a representation of Courage, Wisdom and Power, the three virtues of the Triforce.
You genius
I would love a trilogy
@@BenteinBjerke which one is botw🤔🤔
3rd game in Termina?
Ok, PLEASE actually do a video on potential ideas for new villains, when you started listing them off I was so interested and then you said that you could probably make a whole video with a bunch of ideas for antagonists and I was like YES.
Give me a demise reincarnation who's actually a complicated character struggling with his evil power.
Abdurrahman Syed that would be cool
It could happen eventually
If Zelda is gonna be a playable character in Botw 2 I’m all for having her or link getting Demised and being the final boss. Like imagine one of them having to kill the other.
@@jeremytewari3346
That is literally impossible and not how reincarnation works
@@putridmoldyman306
Maybe he's suggesting she gets possessed albeit that already happened
I want to see young link, “adult link” and an actual adult link
Anthony Ciccone Yeah, you gotta wonder if there's ever gonna be Link and Zelda in their 20s or 30s.
Neon Majora Breath of the wild 3 link files taxes and has to pay health insurance
@@magnasupreme "So, you see we're really trying to break up the Zelda formula"
@Weston Meyer There was actually concept art of that for Botw. He was also a cyborg.
It would be kind of cool to actually grow up while playing. I think it could be done pretty easily if paced out correctly. Even time skipping wouldn't be horrible. Do a part of the story as young link enter time skip, now teen Link do another part of the story enter time skip, and then to adult hood where you essentially finish the game.
Butternut Squash?
Yes please!
11:52 love the music !! ^^
arlo:
nintendo: WRITE THAT DOWN
I wish
@@Antasma1 Me too.
also nintendo: AND THEN *IMMEDIATELY* THROW IT AWAY
arlo:
nintendo: WRITE THAT DOWN (we'll use it later to keep selling a potential canon to these fools who keep buying a reimagining of the same exact story from decades ago... mwahahahahaha!!!!)
I really like the theory that Demise's curse/hatred is something that can posess otherwise normal people. I've always been of the mind that the triforce of power has something to do with it, either being some sort of carrier of his will or just making the owner more subsceptible to his influence since "power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely".
I had the idea years ago of a new Zelda villain actually starting the game as Link's childhood friend, and maybe even having gameplay in the first third or so of the game revolve around teamwork with this ai-controlled character. Then he or she obtains the Triforce of Power and spirals out of control, forcing Link to have to find a means of stopping him or her from enacting their well-inentioned extremist agenda on Hyrule and finding tools to replace the functions your friend served in the first part of the game.
Although, if I may say so myself, I think this idea will also fall victim to the "it's too cool so it'll probably never happen" clause.
there was a theory of botw before it released about a young incarnation of ganon who got corrupted.
but i dont know about the triforce of power being inherently evil, i know power corrupts, but its also a lesson in responsibility in the right hands = spiderman.
God I'd love a companion antagonist.
The Triforce of Power is not inherently Evil though as it was created by the Goddesses to be both a symbol and the source of their power in the Zelda World. It's supposed to belong to whoever most embodies it's Power similar to the Triforces of Courage and Wisdom.
Your idea of the Curse choosing a new "vessel" does sound interesting so i think that would be a great idea nonetheless.
I didn't mean to imply I think the Triforce of Power itself is evil. My theories are that either a) Demise hitched his curse onto the Triforce of Power, or otherwise made it target its future wielders, either to ironically mirror how the other two pieces would always belong to a Link and a Zelda, or explicitly because only someone with that power would be able to cause enough trouble for them; or b) that holding the Triforce of Power alone just so happens to make people more vulnerable to being possessed by Demise's curse, just because of the natures of people and the incredible kind of person it would take to wield such power responsibly without the guidance offered by the other two pieces.
Does that make more sense?
@@javiervasquez8995 well in SS we learned that Zelda always is the reincarnation of Hylia and in BotW we learned that because of that she inherits the powers of the Triforce of Wisdom. What if the Triforce of Power has a similar spiel going on, because it maybe is cursed so that people who obtain it inevitably become the reincarnation of Demise, although it maybe wasn't intended by the Goddesses
Personally, I think that saying there's only so many stories you can tell with the same three characters is like saying there are only so many sonnets you can write using the same rhyme scheme and meter--which is totally false. I would never get tired of the "Zelda, Link, Gandon(dorf)" trio so long as the writers make artistic use of template and surround them with compelling story elements. I do think we're due for a big change, but I am actually terrified that they will retire Ganon(dorf). I never want him to go away completely. It's good to have our Skull Kids and Vaatis, but I always want Ganon(dorf) to eventually come back.
Also, I love the current blend of sci-fi and magic, but I would never want to stray from the medieval tone of the series and tip too far toward the sci-fi. The chivalric myth appeal is too great--knights, princesses, swords, evil sorcerers. I guess I'm a traditionalist.
At least somebody here is speaking some sense.
I believe the "Arlo's Jurassic Park 2 Theory!"
The last appearance of Ganondorf was 13 years ago.
That’s 9 years older than me in human years.
Jacob Graham I do feel like people always SAY he appears too much when he actually isn’t that common
Exactly. It only feels like he appears a lot because he's featured in the likes of Smash Bros. and Hyrule Warriors, where of course he's going to be Zelda's villain rep. Within the Zelda series itself, Ganon appears in less than half the games, and Ganondorf as a human only appears in three!
Jacob Graham, what about Hyrule Warriors in 2016? (I’m kidding)
@@Jotari Sure he's not the antagonist of every Zelda game but he is by far the most recurrent and pretty clearly main antagonist of the series, especially if you count Demis
Personally, I don't feel that Ganon as a character has gotten old. Sure we have other series villains such as Vaati, Majora, and Agahnim, and they are really cool, but in my opinion, Nintendo has proven to find a way to make each incarnation of Ganon unique and interesting. Even if we don't see someone other than Ganon in the near future, we can be confident we won't see a game as bland as "Link meets Zelda and they go fight Ganon together." There is always so much more to the stories.
since you've mentioned cool final forms, i got this idea for a giant goose final form of a demise reincarnation thingy, with like giant wings that shoot out metal feathers and a giant lazer beam that comes out of the goose's beak
A hyrule that takes place on a mountain or cliff side or something, where the game is just a big long climb to the top where you'd fight ganon. shortcuts to the lower parts of the mountain exist like a metroid-vania. have climbing combat. get a bird like skyward sword. have a glider like avatar. jump from mountain to mountain. just think itd be interesting gameplay wise and aesthetically.
Arlo how’d you not mention Spirit Tracks when you mentioned the Hyrule technology teases? They had trains, *t r a i n s*
FUCK trains
I like trains.
I like trains too, so Godsend The General may shut his mouth and stop saying bad things about our precious beautiful trains. They are majestic creatures
Trains are my favorite animal
He failed to mention trains, but he brought up Malladus (who still has the best final boss theme in a Zelda game to this day.)
I really want a game like “The Legend of Zelda: Reckoning”, where Link is confronted by the Goddess Hylia and is told of the curse and all his past lives. He soon realises that all his efforts are useless if the suffering and fighting will only continue after every victory. The game then ends with Link finally destroying Demise’s curse and we get a montage of all previous Zeldas, Links and Ganons fading away until finally everything fades to black.
The credits roll and just as we think it’s all done for sure, birdsong starts and we see a boy roll from his bed. He looks out a new land and puts on his favourite green tunic.
The end of an era and a true fresh start for the franchise.
Seems like a game Miyamoto will do before he dies
Squantle I like this
Squantle This actually needs to be a thing. The game that this happens in needs to be like Breath of the Wild but with a much larger story arc and a truly epic and challenging final boss, unlike Calamity Ganon was. But yeah, I definitely support this!
I got chills reading this. I want this to be true.
^ Underated comment alert ^
On theories, I really like Game Theorists take on the Convergence Theory, with Hyrule Warriors being the where it all happened. Since all the timelines did warp into existence in that game, and the Champion's Tunic being blue where the only time blue was used on Link was in Hyrule Warriors. Matt Patt makes some really good points in the video, and I'm pretty much sold on that idea, until the devs themselves explain it themselves, that's my head canon: Hyrule Warriors was the prequel to Breath of the Wild, in the timeline.
You know for a game that Nintendo repeatedly tells us is “not canon”, BotW 2 Ganondorf’s corpse looks an AWFUL lot like Hyrule Warriors Ganondorf...
Honestly, I'd be happy if they just increased the enemy and weapon variety, and added some solid larger dungeons a la Twilight Princess or Ocarina of Time.
yes that, much that! actual dungeons, more enemies and some more story and they'd be golden
there are many more issues than you think there are. it's why i think it's the worst zelda game.
Unless they plan to merge the Zelda and Metroid timelines together, I feel like they'd try to keep Zelda 'mostly' fantasy themed.
Ridley is an incarnation of Demise! Of course! That's why he keeps coming back! How haven't we noticed this before!
@@aardbei54 Could you imagine if thats the reason they moved the Metroid game back? That they want to tell BotW2 before Metroid Prime 4 to make the revelation and reveal Samus is the daughter of her timeline's Zelda and Link? XD
Zeldatroid would be fucking sick, if they found a way to make it work.
@@DragonFangX The issue with that is that they aren't technically the same species. Link and Zelda are Hylian, Samus is human.
Alttp/Super Metroid randomizer: Am I a joke to you?
Honestly the Spirit Tracks timeline absolutley needs some love now. It's a world that is the most disconnected from the main canon, Ganon is dead and they are in a completely different new world. Big enough for train travel to be necessary. They drain the ocean and that's yet another completely massive new world to explore. It's a shame they like the downfall timeline so much
Linebeck and Old man Nico (wind waker) and few others from that timeline need a return.
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Honestly I feel like if we were gonna get a sci-fi Zelda like arlo said it would fit best there, as it actually builds up to it instead of like BotW where it just randomly spit laser robots in your face with no context or backstory
Sm-Art Smears It’s not a new world though? They just found a new continent to occupy, even then, it’s only like 60 or so years after Phantom Hourglass but the train infrastructure was just there because of the Lokomo Seal on Malladus with the Tower of Spirits lock thing
I really enjoy several similar channels similar to yours but over and over, your analysis really stands out far above the rest. i absolutely love your thought process. do you write? thanks for making great videos! fuckin kudos
I wanna see a game that uses that one concept art thing they showed where link is looking at an alien spaceship. doesnt even technically have to be full sci-fi, sorta like a cowboys vs aliens thing (old-timey hyrule stuff up against futuristic alien invaders)
What have we done to deserve 2 Arlo vids in a week
Nothing. We don’t deserve this.
@@leeeroyjenkins555 The one good thing gamefreak has done lately
Arlo: three separate events can't have occurred simultaneously in the past.
Elder Scrolls Universe: **having done it multiple times** Hold my beer.
We do not speak of the warp in the West. Except those 3 times we did simultaneously.
To be fair Elderscrolls has DragonBreaks which is where a whole new universe is made causing things to happen and not happen at once
@@leons.kennedy4596 go read up a bit. The time lines happen concurrently and once complete reconverge into one, but most people dont remember or just have vague recollections that are blown off as nonsense. Bethesda's answer to retconning and inconsistencies in the histories.
@@Misquito73185 *16 TIMES THE DETAILS*
@@Misquito73185 Ah I misunderstood DragonBreaks but either way it's just nonsesne made to explain retcons
Let’s dip our toes into Steampunk first before going straightup sci Fi.
I agree with you, although I would be sad to see the fantasy aspect of Zelda leave, I think that a sci-fi Zelda is totally posibe ecpexialy since BOTW was originally gonna be an alien invasion on hyrule.
"The Zelda Universe is Ready For a BIG Change"
Me: Oh, boy. Is Link finally going to speak!
Yes please
Yeah that’s something I really want to see. Characters like Midna and Groose are more well written than a silent Link can possibly be.
No, please, after the CD-I games and the animated series Nintendo will never release a speaking Link again.
Link is us. He is the link of us to the game. Qe speak for him. Thats like from some interview
Chi se non il pinky Yes because something from the early 90s where literally everything except for mainstream cartoons had very shit voice acting should determine whether or not they should have a voiced link. That’s like saying Resident Evil should not have voice acting because the voice acting in the PS1 titles were terrible(ly entertaining) (especially the first game), but the voice acting of that series has been amazing since the remake of the original in the early 2000s.
With that being said I do think they should wait until they take voice acting way more seriously before voicing Link (at least the English voice acting). Botw would’ve been a bad game to start with a voiced link cause there were only a few decent works, and 1 really good work. The rest weren’t the greatest.
0:04 Do you like Zelda?
Me a pro gamer: *Yeah, he's my favourite main character from any series. His green tunic makes him undefeatable!*
Slenderfoxx37 cringe
For a new villain idea resurrection of the demon race that demise was, I believe the leader of. Maybe each gets ganons/demise power (or perhaps try to gain it through the curse fusing/adding their own reincarnation) but they are the villain throughout the entire game.