I watch a lot of Clio you tube videos, and this is by far the best, most comprehensive and knowledgeable breakdown of the car I love. Great video, really excited about continuing work on my PH2 172 and will now watch your build playlist. In terms of future content idea, it sounds like you have so much knowledge and experience it’s working with these cars that amateurs like me need and don’t have the confidence to tackle. For example, I had mine running with the bonnet up a few days ago and was thinking “Jesus that sounds like a diesel” and I know my cam belt hasn’t been done for many years now, so that and the pulley you mentioned I would love to know more.
Hi Darren, thanks for your comment and glad you enjoyed the video 👍 The dephaser pulley has sadly been a weak point on these engines when I was working on them 6-7 years ago, thankfully if your getting your cam belt changed (5 years or 72k life - which ever comes sooner) you can do the pulley at the same time with no labour cost. Still a few more videos to come on the 172 Cup 😎
@@stoneautomotive great overview of a fun car, brings back memories of my 172 cup when I was 21. Looking at another one that need the belts doing etc. What specialist would you recommend?
@@Nathan-vb7vi Hi Nathan, glad you enjoyed the video, great fun little cars! I am the specialist 😬 if you’ve seen the build series in the Clio playlist on the channel it will hopefully all make sense 👍
Thank you from france for this great vidéo. I had myself 3 clio 2 rs2.0, I still have one ( 2000 Grey, the first model). And despite it celebrate its 24th birthday, it is still for me , my best value car !
Glad you enjoyed the video, plenty more Clio 2 RS videos on the Clio playlist on the channel 😎 Love the first generation of MK2 RS, the PH1 had such a hard front end 👌
South African with Clio 2 1.4 8v here. Sadly I don't think Renault brought the 2.0 here in the Mk2 (the Mk3 yes, 197 and 200) I have seen 2 South Africans with the Clio 2 172 online on a forum but that's about it.
Loved my 182. I stripped the rear, fitted new shocks and cooksport springs. Also uprated dics/pads, lines, and fluid. A sabelt steering wheel, which made the steering feel so much better. Fitted Good year asymmetric 2, a good all round tyre. A jmrs induction kit, which you can hear on my channel sounds amazing, should have come like that as standard. Only sold due to family circumstances. I'd have it back tommorow. My advice, don't buy a cheap one. Love the channel.
The x2 90 degrees on the intake are the best pound for power modification for the cost and give a great sound (seems a few company’s sell it as a kit now) 100% agree - as discussed pay the money for the right one 👍 Glad your enjoying the channel 😎
Very informative vid for potential buyers. My cup is currently having a safety devices rear cage fitted with Corbeau clubsport buckets on Jon foz xlow mounts and harnesses and ktec top mounts. I think the rack bushes are next
I was the same. I didn't like the Ph1, but now I love them and own one. Still love the 182 though, just sold a Trophy and still got my Williams which is different to the 172 Ph1.
Funny how your views can change over the years, sounds like you’ve had a few MK2’s as well 😎 still haven’t driven a Clio Williams, should put it on the list!
@@BarneyWobba awesome 😎 just ping me a message on Instagram or email stoneautomotive@yahoo.co.Uk when she’s good to go 👌 Blimey 2 years, seems like yesterday I made that video 😅
Hi mate, fantastic video. Very intricate and in-depth, your knowledge knows no bounds. Got a rs200 with a very un happy tl4🤣(4th) I’m in the market for another mk2. Either an inferno as I admire their rarety ; or a 172 cup as I want it for track and I love the idea of the proper cups. Shame that Renault never made the 182 cups like the 172, but they have their own uses.
Hi, glad you enjoyed the video 👍 The knowledge comes from many many hours tinkering 😂 in fact we shall have a Clio 200 on the channel very soon and hopefully be able to give it a run again against the 172 Cup (not completely fair with mine having a slight weight advantage lol) agreed, the 182 Trophy had the potential to have been the best but personally the recaro trend lines & Sachs dampers were hardly game changing although nice for the collectors Ps, go for the Cup if it’s an all out track car (granted the aircon is handy on the summer track outings 🙈)
I naively trailered my track car over to the ring on a TF day and discovered they don’t like wrap around seats. They also don’t like detachable steering wheels or rally style bonnet catches unless they’re completely taped up 😂🙈 Luckily I must have caught them on a good weekend as they let me do 6 laps in total. Lesson learned!
Great vid as a im new to clio's and a 172 cup owner it's great info and love the sound of your car 😍 I'm going for a panel filter / decat and same exhaust as you hope it sounds like yours 😂
Brilliant informative, don't skip on tyres...my 182 has Continental Premium contact 6s,best I've tried. Def needs a suspension upgrade now its 133k. Had the same problem with the headlights, other commen probs coil pack,leads,pre Cat lambda sensor, and 2 rear exhaust mounts.
A great summary. I’ve always liked the Clio- aside from the engine which is a tad ordinary. Tidy UK DC2 Integra owner here. Same great fun as your Clio- but better engineered from the factory. The engine, box & driving position make for a special drive as standard.
Glad you enjoyed the video 👍 The DC2 is the better car in many aspects and are certainly a solid investment currently but they have always been a lot more to purchase than the Clio! Matt was looking to purchase a DC2 so hopefully we will have one on the channel at some point to compare 👍
Stone Automotive yes DC2 residuals are very strong now as clean original cars are in short supply. Many are either rotten &/or have been modded poorly. Given how good the original offering is- it’s so so easy to make them worse with badly thought-out mods. My own is strictly OEM+, looks stock but a few tweaks under the skin. Re-bushed & trick dampers. The drive belies it’s age & the B18C still a great engine
Great video, really good advice to cover most usages. I daily a cup packed full fat 182 and can relate to a lot of this. The steering wheel and rack mounts are my favourite mods I have done on mine. And yeah tyre make so much difference on these I always run pilot sports, just a shame the PS4 isn’t available in the 182 size.
Glad you enjoyed the video Stacy, you don’t see many MK2 Clio sports being daily driven these days so good work 😎 Didn’t realise you couldn’t get the PS4 on a 16” wheel 🤦♂️
Hi mate. Great video...very interesting and informative. I was from Scotland originally but now live in New Zealand and not a lot these cars over here or options for tuning so will have to export bits form the UK. Really handy to know parts/suppliers that you recommend. Can you still get the intake manifold you refer too? Love the colour too 👍🏻
Thanks & glad you enjoyed the video 👍 I have been asked a few times about the cost & suppliers previously so a video of that is on the cards (have a look at the full Clio build play list on the channel) The RS2 Intake is for sale again but no longer produced by myself, I’ve been advised they have changed the design so personally I would look out for a used one (sold a few to Australia so they are all over the world) Good luck on your purchase/ build 😬
Man, with your manifold, I see a lot of similarities with the CSL Box from a sound point of view. I have a Z4M with a Karbonious box, Back in the day I had 3 Clio sports, a 182 Cup, 172, and a Trophy, which for Mexico, was blue, not red... I always wanted that sound but never took the bullet to buy your induction kit when was in the market.
Agree, having the CSL airbox on my e46 M3 it’s certainly a baby version 😎 Reviewed a tastefully modified Z4M on the channel a while back with the Evolve/ CSL style airbox, car was a lovely thing 😎 I did not know the trophy was blue in Mexico!
Hi James, love your videos, been following your journey for quite a while now! I do apologise for asking for internet mechanic advice, but hoping your magnitude of knowledge and experience can help! I've had my Clio 182 FF for just over a year now; for the longest time it was amazing, incredibly enjoyable to drive, and reliable, started every time; however i've been suffering for quite a while now with it deciding it just doesn't want to start intermittently but more often than not (classic symptoms of the TDC/crank sensor) - just cranking over when you turn the key but engine not starting, took it down to Birchdown (saw they were highly recommended online, but a bit of a trek away) and got the crankshaft sensor along with connection (blue connector) and associated loom part replaced, and it worked brilliantly for a week or two before the issue started again :( Was stuck in the tescos/work carpark trying to start it for an hour+ on multiple occasions before I decided to bite the bullet and get a more reliable car for daily. Currently cooped up stuck in the garage, any advice on what steps to take next with him before I start chucking money into something that might not be worth it? Appreciate any advice x
Hi, glad you have enjoyed the series 👍 Always a tough one to diagnose without seeing the car/plugging into fault diagnostic equipment.. can you hear the fuel pump priming when the ignitions switched on? The fuel pump relay can begin to fail and some times refuse to make connection which leaves you just cranking
Makes me want to buy another 172 cup, probably went too far in the last one stripped out and supercharged, did love the Porsche Carrera GT3 seats I had in it, think I actually brought them off you🤔
There wicked fun vs the cost! Even now with far more capable stuff in the collection there awesome fun Haha probably - I sold/ stripped so many I felt like a used parts supplier for the Uk at some points 😅
Lovely and quiet inside 😂 very very expensive to get any decent power gains. Superb little cars stock I should know I’ve had a 172 cup and still have a 182 cup.
Yea it’s lost any creature comforts the standard car did have 😂🙈 It has served as a daily briefly whilst the e92 had an alternator issue but was far from a good daily in the winter lol! As a past & current RS Clio owner i hope you enjoyed the video 👍
Stone Automotive Yes I did enjoy the video the most informative 172/182 vid on TH-cam there a lot of new vids on here on these great little cars that are pretty much a waste of time 😂. Quick question for you my 182 cup with 112000 on the clock keeps going in to limp mode after bringing up the heart monitor type warning sign on the dash cheers in advance.
Really nice. A lot of love and time invested. What about strut bar? Are you considering one and what you think about it? I have ibiza cupra 2.0 abf and I will consider strut bar front and back.
Hi Denise, thanks & yes some hours have gone into this little Cup but very happy with how it’s turned out 👌 Strut bars have never been massively beneficial to the MK2 Clio sport so i have no plans to but I know other cars they can work well 👍
@@stoneautomotive Thanks for your reply. I will dig little bit about it to see is it having sense to put it on my car. Renault sport was always my teenage dream and hopefully I will join Renault family. Definitely older cars and n/a engines are more light then today, and have soul, and better overall feeling. Cheers mate and have a safe roads!
If you had the choice of a well spec'd 172 Cup or a similar spec 182 Cup which would pick? I'm guessing 172 due to your history with them, but is there really that much of a difference? I'm leaning towards the 172, but in all honesty I'm not sure why. The 182 looks awesome with the twin exhaust.
I’ve owned PH1 172’s, PH2 172, few 172 Cups, 182 Cups & 182 Cup packed cars. To be honest there not night and day different the 172 Cup just feels lighter and more on the edge than the others but a 182 Cup packed car is a great option if you still want creature comforts & a great B-road blaster! More importantly for me would be the correct spec car as you can spend thousands on upgrades.. cheaper to buy one where some one has already done it all for you 😅
They have been put back into production but it appears the new owner of the rights no longer uses the carbon fibre trumpets so your better off searching for an original JMS built one - they do come up use every now & then 👍
Hi Jamie, no idea sadly as I’ve not had an S3 to compare, I would imagine the 4Wd & boost would make the faster car in a straight line but the fun factor in the Clio would destroy the Audi... although I wouldn’t want to daily my Clio in its current spec 😅
good vid and some good advice. do you find the carbon shifter quieter as my metal ones rattles like crazy. secondly i know you dont make the intake any more but what you think of the alternative varient ?
Yep the production rights were purchased so back on the market 👍 The carbon one does still rattle sadly, normally worse on the motorway, drives me mad lol
I no longer have any involvement with it, the rights were sold to a chap a few years ago & he sadly didn’t put them back into production due to family commitments so sold them off again, not sure who the current owner is but appears they are active on the Facebook page 👍
Be good to see them in the market again especially as the vehicle cost is balancing out better with the product cost as a few years ago the manifold cost more than the cars to buy 🙈
I thought you couldn't transfer the RS Tuner from car to car?. Is it worth fitting PMS rear Stub Axle Spacer Kit to a Cup? also do you have hub spacers on the front? Sick car mate, excellent information and can't wait for future videos
Hi, the RS tuner modules are locked to each car when programmed but you can buy a licence code to unlock them (or at least you could a few years back unless things have changed) Yep PMS rear stub axle kit fitted & 15mm front, gives it a lovely stance but needed some work to the front arches to stop the rubbing (if you click on my play list you can watch the full build series 👍) Thanks & glad you enjoyed the video 😎
Hi, please, tell me were can I buy RSTuner, nobody answer at the official website. I need to remap the engine sligtly, because internals were changed. As is, I've got 191HP and 215NM at stock ecu... or it is easier to get another ecu, something like EMU Black?
I’m not part of the fastchip.nl so sadly can’t advise why they are not responding. Personally if your still using the standard inlet manifold & sensors I would map the standard ECU - to many drivability issues with piggy back ecu’s
@@stoneautomotive What is done: -matched intake -Honda s2000 air filter -full stainless sleel 63мм exhaust, MG-race components -Renault Duster pistons and conrods - higher comression - all valves are polished -1st oxygen sensor from Renault Duster -Stock ECU, Stock maps -camshafts in stock position -Pump Fuel RON 98 The dyno run is in my profile... maybe, you can tell me what also can be done
I stopped producing them many years ago, there was a company re-producing them but last I heard they had stopped using the carbon trumpets inside so best searching for a JMS/ Stone labeled one
Stone Automotive haha wasn’t sure I got it from you or your old business partner? No mate unfortunately the heavy breathing returned and was the dreaded ringlands. Now in a two Bob Ford Focus at the moment. Being a grown up sucks. You clearly can’t have kids With all your toys in the garage. Interestingly I’ve also had an all black k7 600 with an Akra, and Aprilia a few years back.
Oh man that sucks! Was rebuilt before I sold it for that exact reason (all replacement parts purchased from Renault from memory (8 odd years ago now) sounds like something’s under lying as I’ve never seen a F4R do that before or now (my current cups on 133k with stock block) Haha no yea no kids, sure in time that will change 🙈
Cracking video. Made clear so much that I've heard about but not fully understood. I may just upgrade my 1.2 after all. Now all I need to do is find a low mileage bargain that hasn't got any issues 🤔
Simon Neen glad you enjoyed the video 😎 they really are great little cars and coming from the 1.2 it will feel fantastic on the road - safe investment to enjoy without really loosing any money 👌
Hasn’t been on a set of scales since the strip out but from those that have corner weighted similar built cups 900-930kg with fuel would be expected (not including driver)
Personally I think people get caught up on too many owners, sure it’s nice to have a low owner car but think about it like this - you could have a 3 owner car from new, the current keeper does regular oil changes, warms it up correctly & keeps it clean etc but then you have the first 2 owners that abused it from cold, stretched service intervals etc.. for me if the service history stacks up it wouldn’t put me off. My e46 M3 has 11 owners from new which would be deemed a lot for the age but I’ve owned it nearly 5 years now
@@stoneautomotive I'm with you, I think a lot of people tend to buy them as a toy and then dispose after a few months to a year. One other concern, is it being tracked previously, so its had some stick at some point. Opinions?
If it’s had hard/track use I would certainly take it for a good run and check no crunching from the gearbox syncro’s, they have been known to drop valve heads & bottom end engine failure but not always track cars
Hi Kyle, I’m London/ Heathrow based but don’t offer repair/ servicing/modifying at this time (just tinker with my own cars these days) with regards to the remap issues it’s worth speaking to Engine Dynamics based in Essex as they will be able to revert your car to standard ECU calibration.
Trevor, every modification is declared even to the point I had to change the multi-car policy to use a different broker to cover the harness/ harness bar/ seat belt replacement. Choosing to customise your car is a personal choice and as I own them all outright I will do as i please - referring to me as an idiot? Twat..
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I watch a lot of Clio you tube videos, and this is by far the best, most comprehensive and knowledgeable breakdown of the car I love. Great video, really excited about continuing work on my PH2 172 and will now watch your build playlist. In terms of future content idea, it sounds like you have so much knowledge and experience it’s working with these cars that amateurs like me need and don’t have the confidence to tackle. For example, I had mine running with the bonnet up a few days ago and was thinking “Jesus that sounds like a diesel” and I know my cam belt hasn’t been done for many years now, so that and the pulley you mentioned I would love to know more.
Hi Darren, thanks for your comment and glad you enjoyed the video 👍
The dephaser pulley has sadly been a weak point on these engines when I was working on them 6-7 years ago, thankfully if your getting your cam belt changed (5 years or 72k life - which ever comes sooner) you can do the pulley at the same time with no labour cost.
Still a few more videos to come on the 172 Cup 😎
@@stoneautomotive great overview of a fun car, brings back memories of my 172 cup when I was 21. Looking at another one that need the belts doing etc. What specialist would you recommend?
@@Nathan-vb7vi Hi Nathan, glad you enjoyed the video, great fun little cars!
I am the specialist 😬 if you’ve seen the build series in the Clio playlist on the channel it will hopefully all make sense 👍
@@stoneautomotive thanks for the reply, would be good to speak to you about it.
Nice to see your Clio on TH-cam! Looks very clean and the JMS inlet looks spot on. It’s the mk2 182 for me 😍
Thanks JW, she certainly cleans up well for 18 years old!
Stone Automotive does look good! Got a 05 black gold on my channel 🤙🏻
Just came across this video and the channel. Really helpful for someone who is looking to get back into these! Awesome little car and great edit
Glad to hear it helped Tom 😎
Thank you from france for this great vidéo. I had myself 3 clio 2 rs2.0, I still have one ( 2000 Grey, the first model). And despite it celebrate its 24th birthday, it is still for me , my best value car !
Glad you enjoyed the video, plenty more Clio 2 RS videos on the Clio playlist on the channel 😎
Love the first generation of MK2 RS, the PH1 had such a hard front end 👌
Love it I own a flame red stripped out 172 it goes like stink and it never fails to put a smile on my face and makes a fantastic noise
Love a flame red 😎
@@stoneautomotive I believe for me that was the best colour to have for a 172
I'm on my 3rd clio mk2.
Had a 1.6, 1.4 and now a 1 2 but I keep feeling like buying a 2.0.
Great video and thanks from South Africa.
Glad you enjoyed 👍 The Renault Sport Clio is great fun, if you can get yourself one you won’t be disappointed if you enjoyed the smaller cc variants 👌
South African with Clio 2 1.4 8v here. Sadly I don't think Renault brought the 2.0 here in the Mk2 (the Mk3 yes, 197 and 200)
I have seen 2 South Africans with the Clio 2 172 online on a forum but that's about it.
@@razmann4k I've seen the 2lt clio 2 here but only in 2 door version.
@@razmann4kThere are a few I've come across in PE . 2 to be exact , a blue one and a black one .
Loved my 182. I stripped the rear, fitted new shocks and cooksport springs. Also uprated dics/pads, lines, and fluid. A sabelt steering wheel, which made the steering feel so much better. Fitted Good year asymmetric 2, a good all round tyre. A jmrs induction kit, which you can hear on my channel sounds amazing, should have come like that as standard. Only sold due to family circumstances. I'd have it back tommorow. My advice, don't buy a cheap one. Love the channel.
The x2 90 degrees on the intake are the best pound for power modification for the cost and give a great sound (seems a few company’s sell it as a kit now)
100% agree - as discussed pay the money for the right one 👍
Glad your enjoying the channel 😎
@@stoneautomotive I bought it back 6 months ago. Buckets now fitted. Was at Donnington on Monday, did me proud. 👍
Very informative vid for potential buyers. My cup is currently having a safety devices rear cage fitted with Corbeau clubsport buckets on Jon foz xlow mounts and harnesses and ktec top mounts. I think the rack bushes are next
Thanks Jamie - well worth doing the rack bushes
Great video buddy 👍🏻 best one so far on you tube for upgrades on my 172 thanks again 👍🏻
Glad you enjoyed the video Sam & thanks for the comment👌
I was the same. I didn't like the Ph1, but now I love them and own one. Still love the 182 though, just sold a Trophy and still got my Williams which is different to the 172 Ph1.
Funny how your views can change over the years, sounds like you’ve had a few MK2’s as well 😎 still haven’t driven a Clio Williams, should put it on the list!
@@stoneautomotive Just saw your reply after two years. If I get the Willy out of storage and put the engine back together you're welcome to try it!
@@BarneyWobba awesome 😎 just ping me a message on Instagram or email stoneautomotive@yahoo.co.Uk when she’s good to go 👌
Blimey 2 years, seems like yesterday I made that video 😅
Hi mate, fantastic video. Very intricate and in-depth, your knowledge knows no bounds. Got a rs200 with a very un happy tl4🤣(4th) I’m in the market for another mk2. Either an inferno as I admire their rarety ; or a 172 cup as I want it for track and I love the idea of the proper cups. Shame that Renault never made the 182 cups like the 172, but they have their own uses.
Hi, glad you enjoyed the video 👍
The knowledge comes from many many hours tinkering 😂 in fact we shall have a Clio 200 on the channel very soon and hopefully be able to give it a run again against the 172 Cup (not completely fair with mine having a slight weight advantage lol) agreed, the 182 Trophy had the potential to have been the best but personally the recaro trend lines & Sachs dampers were hardly game changing although nice for the collectors
Ps, go for the Cup if it’s an all out track car (granted the aircon is handy on the summer track outings 🙈)
Good vid James,know all the cars and what’s been done but I still watch lol. Very informative as said,I’ve learned stuff from this..pukka 🙌🏻
Cheers mate, your e92 needs to get on the channel soon 😎
I naively trailered my track car over to the ring on a TF day and discovered they don’t like wrap around seats. They also don’t like detachable steering wheels or rally style bonnet catches unless they’re completely taped up 😂🙈 Luckily I must have caught them on a good weekend as they let me do 6 laps in total. Lesson learned!
If I hadn’t made the video I would have driven over the same like you 🙈 lucky you managed to get on the circuit 👍
Great vid as a im new to clio's and a 172 cup owner it's great info and love the sound of your car 😍 I'm going for a panel filter / decat and same exhaust as you hope it sounds like yours 😂
Hi Dan, glad you enjoyed the video 👌 the exhaust system will waken it up for sure & should given it a decent exhaust note 😎
Brilliant informative, don't skip on tyres...my 182 has Continental Premium contact 6s,best I've tried.
Def needs a suspension upgrade now its 133k.
Had the same problem with the headlights, other commen probs coil pack,leads,pre Cat lambda sensor, and 2 rear exhaust mounts.
Glad you enjoyed 😎 wish they did a Michelin 4S in 16” as there a fantastic all round tyre
A great summary. I’ve always liked the Clio- aside from the engine which is a tad ordinary.
Tidy UK DC2 Integra owner here. Same great fun as your Clio- but better engineered from the factory. The engine, box & driving position make for a special drive as standard.
Glad you enjoyed the video 👍
The DC2 is the better car in many aspects and are certainly a solid investment currently but they have always been a lot more to purchase than the Clio!
Matt was looking to purchase a DC2 so hopefully we will have one on the channel at some point to compare 👍
Stone Automotive yes DC2 residuals are very strong now as clean original cars are in short supply. Many are either rotten &/or have been modded poorly. Given how good the original offering is- it’s so so easy to make them worse with badly thought-out mods. My own is strictly OEM+, looks stock but a few tweaks under the skin. Re-bushed & trick dampers. The drive belies it’s age & the B18C still a great engine
Glad to hear, OEM+ is the way forward (although all my vehicles are pretty heavily modified 😂🙈)
Brilliant video dude. Loads of good info👍🏁
Thanks Nige 👍
A brilliant video. Extremely helpful. Many thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it Rory 👍 the little 172 Cup comes back out to play next month 😬
Great video, really good advice to cover most usages. I daily a cup packed full fat 182 and can relate to a lot of this. The steering wheel and rack mounts are my favourite mods I have done on mine. And yeah tyre make so much difference on these I always run pilot sports, just a shame the PS4 isn’t available in the 182 size.
Glad you enjoyed the video Stacy, you don’t see many MK2 Clio sports being daily driven these days so good work 😎
Didn’t realise you couldn’t get the PS4 on a 16” wheel 🤦♂️
Clutch is 600 at a specialist, cam belt/dephaser/etc is about 800.
Keep the vids coming
Will do 👍
Great video as usual :).
Thanks Mike 👍
Hi mate. Great video...very interesting and informative. I was from Scotland originally but now live in New Zealand and not a lot these cars over here or options for tuning so will have to export bits form the UK. Really handy to know parts/suppliers that you recommend. Can you still get the intake manifold you refer too? Love the colour too 👍🏻
Thanks & glad you enjoyed the video 👍 I have been asked a few times about the cost & suppliers previously so a video of that is on the cards (have a look at the full Clio build play list on the channel)
The RS2 Intake is for sale again but no longer produced by myself, I’ve been advised they have changed the design so personally I would look out for a used one (sold a few to Australia so they are all over the world)
Good luck on your purchase/ build 😬
Man, with your manifold, I see a lot of similarities with the CSL Box from a sound point of view. I have a Z4M with a Karbonious box, Back in the day I had 3 Clio sports, a 182 Cup, 172, and a Trophy, which for Mexico, was blue, not red... I always wanted that sound but never took the bullet to buy your induction kit when was in the market.
Agree, having the CSL airbox on my e46 M3 it’s certainly a baby version 😎
Reviewed a tastefully modified Z4M on the channel a while back with the Evolve/ CSL style airbox, car was a lovely thing 😎
I did not know the trophy was blue in Mexico!
Hi James, love your videos, been following your journey for quite a while now! I do apologise for asking for internet mechanic advice, but hoping your magnitude of knowledge and experience can help! I've had my Clio 182 FF for just over a year now; for the longest time it was amazing, incredibly enjoyable to drive, and reliable, started every time; however i've been suffering for quite a while now with it deciding it just doesn't want to start intermittently but more often than not (classic symptoms of the TDC/crank sensor) - just cranking over when you turn the key but engine not starting, took it down to Birchdown (saw they were highly recommended online, but a bit of a trek away) and got the crankshaft sensor along with connection (blue connector) and associated loom part replaced, and it worked brilliantly for a week or two before the issue started again :( Was stuck in the tescos/work carpark trying to start it for an hour+ on multiple occasions before I decided to bite the bullet and get a more reliable car for daily. Currently cooped up stuck in the garage, any advice on what steps to take next with him before I start chucking money into something that might not be worth it? Appreciate any advice x
Hi, glad you have enjoyed the series 👍
Always a tough one to diagnose without seeing the car/plugging into fault diagnostic equipment.. can you hear the fuel pump priming when the ignitions switched on? The fuel pump relay can begin to fail and some times refuse to make connection which leaves you just cranking
Makes me want to buy another 172 cup, probably went too far in the last one stripped out and supercharged, did love the Porsche Carrera GT3 seats I had in it, think I actually brought them off you🤔
There wicked fun vs the cost! Even now with far more capable stuff in the collection there awesome fun
Haha probably - I sold/ stripped so many I felt like a used parts supplier for the Uk at some points 😅
La cup 2 humm j en est vue une sur le circuit de la fertes gaucher turbo les subaru et autre evo etait derrière 😢❤
Refitted the cat? Good one! Haha
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Lovely and quiet inside 😂 very very expensive to get any decent power gains. Superb little cars stock I should know I’ve had a 172 cup and still have a 182 cup.
Yea it’s lost any creature comforts the standard car did have 😂🙈
It has served as a daily briefly whilst the e92 had an alternator issue but was far from a good daily in the winter lol!
As a past & current RS Clio owner i hope you enjoyed the video 👍
Stone Automotive Yes I did enjoy the video the most informative 172/182 vid on TH-cam there a lot of new vids on here on these great little cars that are pretty much a waste of time 😂. Quick question for you my 182 cup with 112000 on the clock keeps going in to limp mode after bringing up the heart monitor type warning sign on the dash cheers in advance.
Robcatist thanks 😎
Really need to get it plugged in but I have seen the throttle body fail and cause that issue
Stone Automotive cheers for that, it doesn’t bring up the engine management sign so would it still register on the system so the fault could be found?
Really nice. A lot of love and time invested. What about strut bar? Are you considering one and what you think about it? I have ibiza cupra 2.0 abf and I will consider strut bar front and back.
Hi Denise, thanks & yes some hours have gone into this little Cup but very happy with how it’s turned out 👌
Strut bars have never been massively beneficial to the MK2 Clio sport so i have no plans to but I know other cars they can work well 👍
@@stoneautomotive Thanks for your reply. I will dig little bit about it to see is it having sense to put it on my car. Renault sport was always my teenage dream and hopefully I will join Renault family. Definitely older cars and n/a engines are more light then today, and have soul, and better overall feeling. Cheers mate and have a safe roads!
If you had the choice of a well spec'd 172 Cup or a similar spec 182 Cup which would pick? I'm guessing 172 due to your history with them, but is there really that much of a difference? I'm leaning towards the 172, but in all honesty I'm not sure why. The 182 looks awesome with the twin exhaust.
I’ve owned PH1 172’s, PH2 172, few 172 Cups, 182 Cups & 182 Cup packed cars. To be honest there not night and day different the 172 Cup just feels lighter and more on the edge than the others but a 182 Cup packed car is a great option if you still want creature comforts & a great B-road blaster!
More importantly for me would be the correct spec car as you can spend thousands on upgrades.. cheaper to buy one where some one has already done it all for you 😅
@@stoneautomotive thanks for the advice, appreciated!
Need one of them intake manifolds, anyone know where to look?
Thnks :)
They have been put back into production but it appears the new owner of the rights no longer uses the carbon fibre trumpets so your better off searching for an original JMS built one - they do come up use every now & then 👍
How would you compare this to a a turbo S3?
Hi Jamie, no idea sadly as I’ve not had an S3 to compare, I would imagine the 4Wd & boost would make the faster car in a straight line but the fun factor in the Clio would destroy the Audi... although I wouldn’t want to daily my Clio in its current spec 😅
good vid and some good advice. do you find the carbon shifter quieter as my metal ones rattles like crazy.
secondly i know you dont make the intake any more but what you think of the alternative varient ?
scratch that just seen there back in prodution 👍
Yep the production rights were purchased so back on the market 👍
The carbon one does still rattle sadly, normally worse on the motorway, drives me mad lol
@@stoneautomotive is it yourself thats making them again caus eim sure you was selling the rights last time i looked ?
I no longer have any involvement with it, the rights were sold to a chap a few years ago & he sadly didn’t put them back into production due to family commitments so sold them off again, not sure who the current owner is but appears they are active on the Facebook page 👍
Be good to see them in the market again especially as the vehicle cost is balancing out better with the product cost as a few years ago the manifold cost more than the cars to buy 🙈
I thought you couldn't transfer the RS Tuner from car to car?. Is it worth fitting PMS rear Stub Axle Spacer Kit to a Cup? also do you have hub spacers on the front? Sick car mate, excellent information and can't wait for future videos
Hi, the RS tuner modules are locked to each car when programmed but you can buy a licence code to unlock them (or at least you could a few years back unless things have changed)
Yep PMS rear stub axle kit fitted & 15mm front, gives it a lovely stance but needed some work to the front arches to stop the rubbing (if you click on my play list you can watch the full build series 👍)
Thanks & glad you enjoyed the video 😎
@@stoneautomotive cheers for the reply, I'll have a watch through the other videos 👍
Hi, please, tell me were can I buy RSTuner, nobody answer at the official website. I need to remap the engine sligtly, because internals were changed. As is, I've got 191HP and 215NM at stock ecu... or it is easier to get another ecu, something like EMU Black?
I’m not part of the fastchip.nl so sadly can’t advise why they are not responding.
Personally if your still using the standard inlet manifold & sensors I would map the standard ECU - to many drivability issues with piggy back ecu’s
@@stoneautomotive What is done:
-matched intake
-Honda s2000 air filter
-full stainless sleel 63мм exhaust, MG-race components
-Renault Duster pistons and conrods - higher comression
- all valves are polished
-1st oxygen sensor from Renault Duster
-Stock ECU, Stock maps
-camshafts in stock position
-Pump Fuel RON 98
The dyno run is in my profile... maybe, you can tell me what also can be done
@@FedorovichArtyom sounds like it will need an ECU calibration then, what was the reason behind changing the oxygen/ lambda sensor?
@@stoneautomotive original was dead...only the 2nd one was working. But as I understood 😝, not working lambda sensor is nothing for that ecu.
Also, as I understood, only rstuner can normally tune stock ecu , without dancing around it?
Where do you buy a JMS intake?
I stopped producing them many years ago, there was a company re-producing them but last I heard they had stopped using the carbon trumpets inside so best searching for a JMS/ Stone labeled one
My old BG 182 that one, bought from yourself I believe? Look different from what I remember haha
Blimey small world! Yea ended up having some work done!
You still in a Renault Sport Clio??
Stone Automotive haha wasn’t sure I got it from you or your old business partner? No mate unfortunately the heavy breathing returned and was the dreaded ringlands. Now in a two Bob Ford Focus at the moment. Being a grown up sucks. You clearly can’t have kids With all your toys in the garage. Interestingly I’ve also had an all black k7 600 with an Akra, and Aprilia a few years back.
Oh man that sucks! Was rebuilt before I sold it for that exact reason (all replacement parts purchased from Renault from memory (8 odd years ago now) sounds like something’s under lying as I’ve never seen a F4R do that before or now (my current cups on 133k with stock block)
Haha no yea no kids, sure in time that will change 🙈
Cracking video. Made clear so much that I've heard about but not fully understood. I may just upgrade my 1.2 after all.
Now all I need to do is find a low mileage bargain that hasn't got any issues 🤔
Simon Neen glad you enjoyed the video 😎 they really are great little cars and coming from the 1.2 it will feel fantastic on the road - safe investment to enjoy without really loosing any money 👌
where is the roll cage ?
That’s the final stage, covered around 300 miles in it this year (if that) so sits as an expensive drive way toy currently.
What is the weight now?
Hasn’t been on a set of scales since the strip out but from those that have corner weighted similar built cups 900-930kg with fuel would be expected (not including driver)
Would you be wary of a clio with lots of owners, talking 10+? Got good history
Personally I think people get caught up on too many owners, sure it’s nice to have a low owner car but think about it like this - you could have a 3 owner car from new, the current keeper does regular oil changes, warms it up correctly & keeps it clean etc but then you have the first 2 owners that abused it from cold, stretched service intervals etc.. for me if the service history stacks up it wouldn’t put me off.
My e46 M3 has 11 owners from new which would be deemed a lot for the age but I’ve owned it nearly 5 years now
@@stoneautomotive I'm with you, I think a lot of people tend to buy them as a toy and then dispose after a few months to a year. One other concern, is it being tracked previously, so its had some stick at some point. Opinions?
If it’s had hard/track use I would certainly take it for a good run and check no crunching from the gearbox syncro’s, they have been known to drop valve heads & bottom end engine failure but not always track cars
@@stoneautomotive Ok cool, cheers for the info mate
Where are you based?? I want mine sorted it’s got a remap issue and no one can find a original map for mine but I also want some mods
Hi Kyle, I’m London/ Heathrow based but don’t offer repair/ servicing/modifying at this time (just tinker with my own cars these days) with regards to the remap issues it’s worth speaking to Engine Dynamics based in Essex as they will be able to revert your car to standard ECU calibration.
@@stoneautomotive thanks mate
What intake do you use;
Hi, it’s a JMS RS2 Intake manifold
C est ma preferer 😢
What animal is this? How i mine like this?
Stone Automotive built 172 Cup 😬
Click on the 172 Cup playlist and all details on the build are there for you to follow if you choose 👍😎
is it better to fit clio 197 cams on clio 172 or it's better to buy after market cams???
Really depends on the set-up, the 197 camshafts work very well with the RS2 inlet 👍
@@stoneautomotive installed induction kit cat back exhaust those are the set-up nothing more thinking for cams and a fine tune
U can't get ps4s on a clio....
more drive less talk!!!
This one was a recap but included some rev happy action as well - POV driving one in the pipe line with zero talk when the weather returns 👍
rip headphone users
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Hope you’ve told your insurance company about all the mods. I really can’t understand why idiots have to ruin perfectly good cars 🙄🙄
Trevor, every modification is declared even to the point I had to change the multi-car policy to use a different broker to cover the harness/ harness bar/ seat belt replacement.
Choosing to customise your car is a personal choice and as I own them all outright I will do as i please - referring to me as an idiot? Twat..
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Sorry, too looong 😮
Yea I’m known to waffle on 😅
Later videos are better.. hopefully lol
Another one ruined.
Thanks John, appreciate the love 😅