Insane Maneuverability of The F-35 Lightening II | F-35 Outmaneuvers Russian Fighter Jets
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- The F-35 Lightening II is the future aircraft of the America & Some Other Nations. Once Pierre Sprey said that "The F-35 Can’t turn, can’t climb, can’t run", but after Seeing This Video You Will be Able to accept the reality about the maneuverability of this Amazing machine.
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Although impressive, the jet likely isn't being max performed for the public. Lockheed has a real winner in the F-35, and its only getting better with more software releases. Lopsided kill ratios of 15:1, 20:1 etc when participating in the most demanding war games on the planet - Red Flag. No plane is invincible, but the F-35 is a quantum leap in air combat. We should be procuring them by the squadron...
There's a reason all these NATO countries are buying F-35's. It's because they've actually tested the aircraft, they actually know it's full specs and capability, and they really don't care what the media thinks.
I'm surprised this comment only has 28 likes after 4 months. Very true statement though
@@christhut8140 That’s because most people look at fighters as highly maneuverable. As stated, we haven’t seen and don’t really know the true capabilities of the F-35. Fusion wise, it’s leaps and bounds ahead of any present day 5th Gen fighter. Look at its impressive kill ratio. “Lightning in a bottle.”
69 likes.😂
Let all the HATERS hate. It just exposes their ignorance of aviation
1:10 that engine is impressive still pushing the aircraft straight up despite going into the climb with almost no energy is seriously impressive.
that is because it is on afterburner. all modern aircraft with afterburner can do that
This give me confidence we can destroy Russian air defenses with this
@@user-km5kj8xh1x This won't save you from a missile. What will save you is that no one will even know you were there until they suddenly blow up.
That’s a manuever known as the Tactical Pitch, or the Dojo Drift. 310kts, 300ft AGL, 45° bank angle, full A/B and full aft pitch - then a steep climb until levelling out at 150kts.
Crazy.
That’s a manuever known as the Tactical Pitch, or the Dojo Drift. 310kts, 300ft AGL, 45° bank angle, full A/B and full aft pitch - then a steep climb until levelling out at 150kts.
Crazy.
I love the armchair pilots that call the f35 trash like they would know cause they fly them. Believe me the government wouldn't put a ton of money in RnD if this plane wasn't working obviously its starting to have a bright future and just seems to be getting better with time.
Agree regarding the armchair pilots, eg me, but believe me, the Government pours trillions of dollars of taxpayer money into all sorts of useless crap as long as it's for their private corporate owners who they work for. The whole point is to shovel as much publicly generated money into the private sector by fulfilling ludicrous private contracts. It's only when people want useful things for their money that we have huge problems and arguments and Government shutdowns.
@Kenneth Tham Too big to fail.
Hey Mud for Brains when is the last time you sat and broke bread with real Nellis Airforce Test Pilot(s)? Have you done this? When is the last time you played a round of golf with an actual current jet fighter pilot who had a chance to move over from a Superhornet and move to a shiny f35 and said "oh hell no"?
It’s trash
because it’s expensive as hell and the weapons barely work as of the current stage of development. But it does the job of being an air superiority multi-role stealth fighter much better than previous fighters and it’s Russian counterpart (Su-57, even though the Felon has a cooler name, flies faster, further and is more manoeuvrable, the Lightning II is more stealthy and is much further in its development)
@@fork9001 lol, flying faster and more maneuverability doesn't mean shit in modern A2A combat
Impressive, but the aircrafts true performance characteristics are likely classified. The U.S. won't unveil it's full capabilities.
yeah US won't the data they're giving might only be 50-75%
They just give you a brochure with Top Speed and payload. Keyboard aviation experts came to a conclusion that this is incapable after reading the brochure.
Oh,I'm sure der furher Biden will somehow let the Chinese see the secrets of this plane eventually.
Yup.. dont asking 🛒k□mmie🛒 for that kind of informations. They will be deceiving you by their -propaganda- vlogs'. They even rescript f22 was build in 2015 😥😅 , why use f22 fame if their t5057 trully great ? mm😥m🤐
@@cecilmessi6972 For years, the top speed of F-22 Raptor was listed as Mach 1.6+ on official sources. Now we know it can hit Mach 1.8 without afterburners. If you think the brochure accurately shows F-35 performance, I have a bridge in Arizona to sell you.
That’s why the F-35A Lightning II is my favourite fighter.
F-22 Raptor’s little brother ❤️
Does Walmart still have F-35's in stock?. I need one.😁
Go have a look. You might get lucky and they’re in stock
@@rrod999
I checked PS5's and F-35's are still out of stock.
@@AviationNut fucking aye, all bad
Why is it that everytime I watch an analysis of how an SU-35 would fare against an F-35, the latter is always described as the underdog, less maneuverable? To the so-called analysts, you’re wrong!
Experts already said that they are still learning what this plane is capable of. They really know very little of it's capabilities. USAF and Lockheed Martin provided very little details like they do on brochures. It's the pilots who know it's full capabilities and are very impressed by it
Military propaganda to deceive the enemy. In the art of war it is best to trick your enemy into thinking that your forces are weak than to show them your full capabilities.
because its a pos jet with no real role to play
@@landehn1212 wrong!
Two 35,000 ftlb of thrust engines with 3d thrust vectoring vs one 40,000 ftlb thrust engine with 3rd thrust vectoring. Two is better than one for sure
Bottom line this is the most badass jet there is right now and the f22 but I know they stopped production and they were like 122 million each but this jet will destroy any other fighter jet that wants to come get some of our airforce..haha..this thing is sick..I always wanted to be a fighter pilot but my health got kinda messed up early on..wont go into it..not relevant but I know its gotta be a fkn thrill to fly one of those..thanks for keeping our skies safe guys💯
I think the F22 was actually around 368m each and they stopped production because they came to the conclusion that the ones they had were enough to take on any airforce in the world
@Kenneth Tham The F-22 Raptor is proven to have superior stealth, avionics, but rivals in technology. The F-22 also has better turning than the Chengdu J-20. Not to mention the F-22 can super cruise and the J-20 is an interceptor. The J-20 in some areas on the front has an RCS of 0.0001 if the Australian researchers were correct, same as OVERALL RCS of the F-22, which isn’t saying much. Not to mention the Chinese military does not work together despite the Global Times saying the opposite. In fact, they deleted their article since it was bogus. One airframe isn’t going to win a war, just like how in the Falklands the Argentinians had the Exocet missile but still lost. You need cooperation between several branches in the military, good logistics, intelligent assets & information, and great planning. These are things China either cannot do or struggles to do. A book of spells I always better than one spell.
@Kenneth Tham I agree 100% with what you said. But in Ww2 the Japanese had the home field advantage and were superior in nearly every way. However, they did not cooperate, and it costed them the whole Pacific Theater and thousands of civilians. They J-20 may be able to I intercept an AWAC or tanker but it will most likely be killed in the effort since the US probably will be smart enough to not go too close towards the Chinese coast. The US would most likely just want China to stand down on its claims in the Pacific just like Libya. Do I know who’ll win? No. I’m just putting two perspectives together.
@Kenneth Tham @Kenneth Tham When I said Ww2 I wasn’t talking about production. Back then you could mass produce planes, aircraft carriers, and ships. In the modern era it can take years or maybe a decade just to finish a single frigate, cruiser, or destroyer, which by then the war would’ve ended. What I meant was that the Imperial Japanese, which existed in Ww2, did not cooperate leading to several losses in the Pacific Theater. This is the same problem China has, their army, navy, and Air Force do not work together or know what each side is doing. Without teamwork there is chaos and confusion. What you need is calmness; wisdom is most valuable then. Not to mention Chinese soldiers are equipped with “suicide helmets.” And how good is Chinese radar? You can’t fire your 368km long range missile without a good chance weapons lock. The only exception is if the J-20 was using cued-search, in very small FoV, and was using maximum power on its radar. You’ll either have to already know the position of the AWAC or tanker or your pet Koi fish finally gave you lots of lucks.
@Kenneth Tham You know what. Nukes and cruise missiles it is. Petition to order more Trident nuclear missiles and create the best hypersonic missiles in the world! For the tanker problem the United States can build stealth tankers which they’re currently doing. Second, the AWAC problem. The F-35 and F-22 could at least be a good candidate for the Pacific Theater. In the Red Flag 17-1 and while the F-35 was fighting the Norwegian Air Force the F-35 was discovered being able to hide 4 friendly F-16s from 8 enemy aircraft. The F-35 can also use LPI radar & avionics and data link between naval ships, air defense systems (if applicable), and other aircraft. The AN/APG-81 AESA radar is the successor to the F-22’s radar, meaning it most likely is very resistant to jamming, has incredibly high resolution, and very long range. The F-35 also had Eurocanard salad while in exercises or performance test against Swish, Finnish, Danish, Norwegian, German, British, and French pilots/fighter jets.
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Russia Should Worry About This Advanced Aircraft
Yes They Must
China especially
Tbh each aircraft is as good as the pilot. Then again, in 20 years time this won't be the case as well3probs be using unmanned aircraft
Are you Andrew Dojo Olsen?
Russian can wipe the whole world few times and still have nukes left, it shouldn’t worry about these show girls
It seems very F/A-18 like in terms of agility.
The fact that it does all that with no thrust vectoring and only one engine
F-18 hahahahahahaha
@@yourdaddy6030 the F18 cant get energy back unless it dumps its nose. The F35 has a much higher thrust to weight ratio and its transonic acceleration is insane.
Does it have better nose authority than the hornet? Im not sure, the F18 is a high alpha monster, but the F35 could potentially safely bleed airspeed more aggressively because of its ability to recover energy without dumping the nose.
Good eye, the aircraft was designed to combine the flight characteristics of the F/A-18 and the F-16.
this jet looks amazing.
Very nice presentation of this remarkable aircraft. Thanks from Seattle !
F35 one of the best planes made
Anyone who claims the F-35 is anything short of superlative even after the merge is either ignorant or lying to you. An F-35 with a full load of fuel and air-to-air ordnance has better kinematics than an _unladen_ F-16 with minimal fuel. The control authority is excellent, energy retention is second to none, and the instantaneous turn rate and TWR are in contest for the best of any aircraft in service today. The only aircraft that even comes close is the F-22, but it lacks the flexibility and information-centric capabilities of the F-35.
Of course, those capabilities are only really useful at air shows, given how excellent the battlespace information and sensor systems are, which, combined with the very effective signature-reduction technologies, allow the F-35 to be effectively invincible in a BVR fight.
And it costs less than a new-production Flanler-series aircraft.
1:25 if you were referring to the kulbit when you say "backflip maneuver" you're dead wrong. But as a loop the loop, it's accurate.
That is the magic of flight control software , it is just like a Tesla drifting .
Let's pray its better then a freaking Tesla 🤨
Just love that pedal maneuver, I like how those elevators work hard for the F-35. Great Chan, just hit that Subb.
Good Job! Keep it up. Unveil More Secrets in the time to come...
Why so many years of defamatory press about this plane? Now it performs very well, isn't it?
I love the defamatory press. It helps create an underestimated approach from the enemy.
They need clicks
Something bad is a lot more interesting than something good
Is this with full load, weapons and fuel?
High alpha pass? Less than 100mph?
Sh-t I can’t pull that on Ace Combat 7 :(
I can't understand why they put the C variant in that game rather than the much more agile A variant.
@@jhk8396 Cause Ace Combat doesn't know shit about planes. Yeah, thats coming from *me*, with this profile pic...
@@DHBKidd510 they lost it after supersonic dogfighting A-10s lol
Still a great series regardless
@Kenneth Tham I’d take the a10 vs an su-25 but vs actual fighter jets it’ll use an off it’s flares then get blown out the sky
@@jhk8396 yeah, that makes no sense,
If they don’t like the A it should be the B. PW had a harrier with VTOL (kind of, they simulated it by having the stall speed much slower than any other planes)
That must be Tom Cruise behind the controls
While this is some impressive maneuverability, don’t forget this isn’t it’s best weapon. It’s best weapon is that instead of the pilot habit to construct a mental model of the environment for their sensor data, the plane does it for the pilot. So the pilot can focus their attention on being in the best position to make use of its missiles and avoid engaging in a dogfight unless they hold the advantage.
Very nice!
Your Welcome
We are very much loocking forward to get ours in Switzerland
0:07 It might just be me being a dumbass but that is pretty impressive that the afterburner is so visible in broad daylight. Never seen that before tbh
there was light, but not direct sunlight, kinda ina more shadowy area
That is the single most powerful jet engine that's ever been stuffed in a military aircraft . Think about it this way that engine by itself makes more thrust than a pair of f-18 hornet engines . The engine upgrade that's coming out will make it have 48,000 lb of thrust in afterburner and get better fuel conservation .
@@Dr.Westside so it has about as much thrust as an Eagle going full A/B. That’s pretty impressive. Honestly that makes sense, all the best American planes have been based on having an engine powerful enough for it to carry weapons, systems, and armament a step ahead of the competition.
Brilliant
I really like how its look like.. looks so Alien.
How about you compare the maneuverability with the Rafale it would be an intersting match including the weight thrust ratio…
Great stuff. It always seems elevator authority is a bit lacking in max climbs... or CG is too far forward maybe. Great vid though.
Now put bombs, tanks and missiles and pods on a Sukhoi and let's see if they can do any of their airshow stunts.
Putting bombs and missile in air show It is so dangerous to civilian.
Jettison the EXT’s and let’s dance. First one to hit the floor looses.
Flankers don't even fare well against the Chinese J-10.
Actually they have already done that, years ago. Flying a Sukhoi with full weapons / equivalent load out and yes, of course it performed all manouvers as well as without. Pretty well known, old stuff in fact, should be easy to find.
@@waltrohrbach2459 Well share the link. We're still waiting.
F-35 “Pugachev’s Cobra” be like:
well this is something as even Indian I admire that most Pakistanis are honest on things that even they are very unlikely to get but appreciates acts unlike some Indians who try to to compare F 35 with rafle although Paks do it to when comparing the light combat jet jf 17 which is nice but not the same as dassult as both are different categories but still its good to see this
Oh no, not the secret technology😮😮 pitch,yawn and roll😱😱
Turns like a piece of crap to me! It probably amazes noobs, not experienced people. F-16, S-27/35, Rafale, Gripen, Eurofighter and MIG-29. Those are the truly maneuverable fighters.
@Blob B
Oh really? Do you know what I'm talking about? Just check to see, it's not my words, it's the actual performance facts. What I've just said is spot on, not marketing words. The F-35 takes just above 24 seconds to complete a 360 degree turn at it's best turning capabilities, while the F-16C takes around 15 seconds.
High energy tight turns win dogfigts. That is if it comes to that.
Sustained turn is also important in dogfights
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Love from Daddy America.
I love to see it but I also hope it is never used.
The F-35 is Considerably Aerodynamically Inferior to the F-16,
The Strong Points of the F-35 are it's Stealth & Sensor Fusion,
It was Not built for Quick Turning Fights,
It's Airframe and weight are Not for Kinetic Performance, but to take out
From Afar.
I would also add that the f-35 combines the f-16’s high thrust power and f/a-18’s high aoa, from a kinetic performance perspective, it is superior to both platforms (even without external loadout).
@@bensonchuang4907 It's Not for Nothing, that Air men call the F-35 "Fat Amy",
But if you think About it,
The F-35, it's a Really Overweight
Medium Fighter,
That is Agile as the Sleek F-16,
( Yes it has a Powerful Single Engine )
It Doesn't have a Airframe and weight
To be Agile,
Yet some Claim it is.....??
@@bensonchuang4907
The F-35 is the Really Overweight Fighter,
That is Supposed to Perform
Like an Air Superiority Fighter,
Even though it's Not Built like One??
How does the Su-57 have "super-maneuvrability" and F-35 doesn't? Su-57 looks like slo-mo compared to the F-35.
Has a big wing. Very good high altitude performance and ridiculous sustained rate, but the instantaneous rate is slower because it relies more on thrust vectoring with small control surfaces.
Because Lockheed Martin doesn’t waste time on useless crap.
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Su-57 smokes these babies
F-22 still can outmaneuver an F-35 .... with ease
Well, obviously. It had thrust vectoring. If the F-22 didn’t, or if the F-35 did. It’d be a different story.
Fun fact last time I checked both were usaf and they don't really compete with each other both jets were designed differently for a reason to fit different roles..they compliment each other not compete
Why does it matter they are on the same team? Childish fantasy
Its weird when people compare those aircraft for their own hidden benefits
Su33: laughs scratching its canards
Russians are too busy getting shot down by their own SAM sites
Switzerland confirm their deals allready . . . . invite their demo team
F-35 outmaneuvers Russian jets,
pakfa: hold my beer
lol how many years do we have to "hold your beer?" India was the only country interested and they turned down the su-57 TWICE. Russia can't afford a 5th gen fighter so I guess your beer will be held for a long time. 😆😆😜
@@ME-mv6wi True
You have 10 test aircraft and are bragging?
@@srinitaaigaura It was a joke
@@srinitaaigaura Also I'm not even Russian, I live in the U.S.
Whats up with the streamers that come off the wing tips occasionally?
vortices generated by high AoA
@@SUNIT052 *high lift is probably more accurate, if the AoA is high enough that the wing is stalled the vortices will not be nicely confined to the wingtips
now this is what we better show to Russian aircraft simps that this is what the real fighter does and can do beyond as US likes some classification of superior items than to show it all off for free
f35 is like a small rocket lol im shure of it
Your an Npc
Dear India:
What's a better choice:
a €91.1 million Rafale and €94million Two seat Rafales with additional money required for HMD, sensors, enhancement packages and other stuff your beautiful country needs
Or
$79.9 Million F-35A that by default is a flying AWACs of sensors, two of which can jam enemy radars to hide 4 to 6 more non stealth fighters, can go 1,200miles and back with no external fuel tanks, can carry 2 AAMs and 8 bombs internally, (and still fight anyone).
Choose well.
Nah IAF infrastructure is built for Russian and French jets. They have to change their hangars and tactics in order to buy F-35'S
India choose and loved Tejas over -t50su5775- fraudvlogs
" F-35 Outmaneuvers Russian Fighter Jets" Go watch an Su-30,Su-35, SU-57 demo and then watch an F-35 demo. Whoever wrote the title of this video was truly on drugs.
IHas Feets agreed I also think it depends on what the skill of the pilot it doing too
Shut up pro russia..
Do it with missiles and tanks please?
What you fail to understand is by the time you figure out you got caught in its crosshairs, the 35 will be on its way back home. That’s the whole point of this platform. Tracking everything in the sky and ground in a 800 mile bubble. And if by any chance you get close enough to see one , your next step in your s.o.p should be eject!
It beats the MiG21 though ;-) That's a Russian fighter jet.
KVPS!!!!
I really don't like it's appearance, but it is surely very impressive
It'll never out maneuver a su-30s:) sorry.
Its simple. This is not the old saying given enough power even a rock could fly F-4. This is a moderate agility air frame thats TOUGH as nails. When you combine that with that massive SINGLE engine No Western Fighters ever had it greatly helps! With the DL system it has its deadly a low altitude. I've been the victim of some won't lie.
Honestly they could of put thrust vectoring in this...they had the technology developed already 20 years ago.
Look up the NASA F15 "active" and General dynamics F16 "Vista".
Thrust vectoring sounds good on paper, but it also adds weight, complexity and cost. All things the F35 is already getting grilled for.
Who are you kidding?
F22 is still superior
no shit sherlock..
Ok and
No one said it wasn’t stupid
still far from the super maneuverability of russian fighters with 3d vectoring but good try 👍🏻
Super-maneuverability isn’t what it was designed for, and it still performs admirably in a dogfight. It just can’t break physics
@Ag Perry that's why they have th su 57 but the article is talking about the "supermaneubrability" of the f35 which it doesn't have not even close to the f22 and even farther than the su-27 which is an old fighter.
@agperry6811 keep on dreaming if you fight Russia, you thought you are fight Afghanistan bro,your airforce have never faced any real airforce.
@agperry6811And there comes ADs so stealth only works when you are facing a weak opponent that has zero or no technology of their own.
@@koontzzlyrics8098well, enlightened by current event, I think we can all agree that Russia is not as high tech as we used to believe
Pretty impressive concidering it has no thrust vectoring. Still nothing like SU35 and SU57 but stealth is the most important thing ever today.
If those T-V works 3 times patroll a day , it will melts
Lol Russia has hot trash for technology... I mean look at the Ukraine invasion... lmfao.
@@bazzhm1447 sped
Syrian S300 has entered the chat
F35 left the chat
_cough_ *low band radar can’t lock on _cough_
NO it does not
It’s still more advanced than any su plane
The only thing insane about the F-35 is the price and why anybody bought this heap of junk .
Oh wow and you would know that having flown it and all that .
WOW you seem to know better than the USAF and Lockheed Martin it self.
I like how the video is sped up. Two things have it away, the speed of the low altitude passes and the sound of the engine. The audio is sped up as well so take this video and put it on 0.8 playback or something
Yeah no that doesn’t look sped up
@@luigimrlgaming9484 care to explain why the sound sounds faster than that of official flight videos then? Regardless of how fast the aircraft is going, that should remain the same because of limitations on the propagation of sound waves. The only place you'd hear a difference is if you were standing in the exhaust stream with mach diamonds next to your face, in which case you'd be dead. Or why the wing tip lights are cycling faster than normal? They appear to be flashing on and off here, but normally the rear part of the light comes on, the front is reddish, then the front half of the light comes on, after which both shut off and repat. That gives the illusion of the lights brightening. The process only takes a fraction of a second but long enough to see the stages. In some of these videos that I'd not the case. It doesn't help that we've actually seen how hard the f35 will turn at max G. Not peacetime demonstrations, actual test/training. Video is sped up bruh. It's not noticable to most but it is.
@@deven6518 they seem slower than normal
@@luigimrlgaming9484 I just figured out you're a f35 fanboy. I gave you something, you responded with......
Apparently you don't know the difference in taxi and during different times of day, but mkay.
@@deven6518 taxi is the plane going to the runway under its own power
You must be joking, comparing this to russian fighter planes. The f35 can never beat the Mig29 or SU 27 in a rate fight.
OK!!! Dimwhit.
The fact you can't fly the aircraft at supersonic speeds or the skin peels makes it a dud.
Can you point to a stealth coated airframe that doesnt experience this "problem"?? NO...No you can't. Observable Coating Delamination is inevitable with time on all airframes that are surface coated, and is looked at as kind of like a wear item. Not a deficiency. And the F35 platform experiences vastly decreased delamination from all sources and interviewed pilots Ive seen. Context is king. Fucking Lambos and Pagani's with their tires that wear out when you drive them makes them a dud too huh...
What is impressive here? Any Mikoyan or Suhoi....even 30+ years older than F35 can do the same and evem much better manevres
Well how about you do your fucking research in google and not ask here in the comment section?
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Lol Isreal flies over them all day in Syria with the F35 ;)
The "fat chick" of jet fighters
Merica!
Ever seen an su-57 manuver?
SU-27 probably turn better
Ever seen an SU57 getting massed produced and bought by other countries?
Someone left out that NATOs' F-35 fleets on the Polish/Ukraine border were completely grounded due to Russias' sophisticated Jamming equipment
Who told you such lie? Curious
I wasn't getting my news from controlled us fake news sources. Didn't it make you curious that you were not getting any of the real news when they blocked all news sources from Russia? What's wrong with the picture of not allowing you to get news from the other side and to make the assessment for yourself what you believe and what you don't believe is real and correct vs propaganda. My sources were either feet on the ground or I would get it through a source that would take it to Australia then take it to various places that could be accessed my news is always correct
@@CrayonEater255 lolol you didn't know. Apparently you get no Intel you get your crap off of CNN
@@shots-shots-shotseverybody2707 Provide a source. I don’t watch such channels and you’re just lying.
@@CrayonEater255 actually no I'm not lying and kiss my a*s if you think that I'm going to do your homework for you. I care not that you remain a dumbF**K. How come I can figure out what side is on the wrong side of this slaughter by zelensky simply by not being able to watch the others sides' news because one side blocked all westerners from listening to both side, straight out of Putins mouth and letting each individual determine what side wrong? Of course that Dictator regime who blocked the news isn't going to offer up the information that the most expensive military project in the history of the Pentagon failed in its first battle. The F35 was determined the biggest bust in our history and there are 12 more capable fighters operating today which most fighter pilots would rather fly than the f35. Actually more like 13 to 14 more capable fighters.
Repeat this until you believe it, "airshows have absolutely nothing to do with air combat".
All I'm seeing is the F-35 bleed all it's energy as soon as it pulls any alpha. Pedal turns at sub-cessna speed is a great party trick, but all it's doing is yawing around an axis while falling, you'll die in a fight because you have no airspeed while your opponent is at speed and can still turn in the vertical. How can you shoot him if you can't even point your nose up to aim at him?
that would be assuming you would get into a WVR dogfight in the first place. something that the F-35s (pluralbecause I'm talking about all 3 variants) were never meant to do. you want a fighter that's good at keeping its energy in a dogfight then you want a F-16 or a F-22. F-35 were built around BVR combat for AtA missions and with the SPAMRAAM being used as an AtA complement I only see the F-35 nuking everything out of the sky before the parties get into visual range dogfight.
EX: hey f15 you see that guy over there? Uh no, who are you talking about? Ok let me share data with you see him now? Yeah, I see him. Fox 3. Hah that's another victory. nice shooting tex. Your plane legit did all the work, I'm pretty sure you should get the credit.
kinda like that. but less cringy and more professional.
@@brandondaway1 Don't bother replying to these clowns, all they think is that we are still in the 40s where all that matters is dogfight, no BVR. They never heard of BVR anyways . See how he can't even reply lmao.
@@KJ-kn8pg I mean they do have a point, but you also cant judge an aircraft based on something it was never ment to do. Pilots call the F-35 Fat Amy for a reason and she does have that downside of poor top speed and sluggish acceleration. Against any 5th or 6th gen that's designed for that kind of close in fight, if she cant out BVR it the F-35 is screwed but that's why they wouldn't be on missions alone anyway. That's what the F-15EX is for in a secondary kind of way. To say WVR is dead is well a flat out lie, you will still need to assume it will happen cause in the heat of battle all it takes is a couple to push through, but to judge a basically BVR only based aircraft on dogfighting maneuvers is also completely stupid.
The su 57 can move its thrust 360* while f 35 can just move its thrust up and down but su 57 jets have drunk pilots
Wasn’t the SU57 found to have major issues? I haven’t seen shit about it at all because of how bad it is
It's because of TVR and they would kill the purpose of the stealth.
su57 does the same for half the price. Btw dont know why people think that manuvereability is the most important in the 21st century. wake up we are not in the 40s- 50s anymore
Su-57 has inferior stealth (1000× larger RCS, 4× detection range) and lacks the sensor fusion/networking of the F-35. Also India dropped out of the Su-57 program and Russia can't afford a meaningful quantity of them.
@@jhk8396 dont get too hyped about the stealth capabilities especially in the age of satellites. Plus we all know what happened with that f117 in serbia back in the 90's Btw the su57 program seems more like a test project during the developement of a 6th generation fighter. The f35 is a capable aircraft but too expensive even for the usa wich is slowly loosing its leading role in the world, thats why they adopting the modernized f15-s and thinking to start the developement of a cheap mass produced fighter. Looks like the concept that the f35 will surpass anything in the usaf and usn will never be a complete success. They can sell them to a lot of countries anyway.
@@pauka13 ever checked how much India was scalped with their rafale deal?
@Sofa Kinstupeed user name checks out
@Sofa Kinstupeed aww insults are the last thing a defeated foe throws out, when i got the facts.
Sadly I'm not even Muslim 🤣
Your rafale is a product of corruption overpricing. Should've gone with F-35A or 35C. Far cheaper.
I don't see anything special.
total joke for su 57 where is flat spin
Flat spin down the earth after it gets BVRed by an F35.
In reality F-16 can do much more maneuver
In reality stealth matters more than “maneuver”
In reality stealth is to make it cost more because when u advertise u can say hey we have stealth, buy now for double the price of normal jet that will do same job but a better.
@@batslav if you have stealth, u can bvr kill the plane easily because u can detect them but they cant detect u so stealth is worth it
Not really, F-16 cannot do a lot of this maneuvers shown in this video some require lots of alpha and the F-16 is hard limited to 25° aoa.
@@dade.9948 yep and f16 with full load can only take about 6 g
Haha... All the Sukhoi fighter jets pilots sitting at home laughing about those 5G turns, Russian jets make when they are landing 😂😂😂😂🙈🙈🙈 it moves like and SUV truck...but in the US they also think trucks are racing machines..
A single F-35 could defeat an Su-35 in BVR unbelievably easily thanks to better radar, stealth, and avionics. In WVR your heavy flanker carrying targeting pods, missiles, and external fuel tanks will struggle to go past Mach 1.3 without wasting most of its fuel and do turns, so a well-skilled F-35 has a very high chance of defeating one if he/she’s smart enough. In a more realistic scenario and with the AIM-260 the Flanker has a lower chance of winning.
Lol you fail to realize that the cool maneuvers and stuff you see isn’t always smart. They only work when your in a close merge. If a pilot gets distance between the two planes it’ll get blown out of the sky. Believe no pilot is going to be in that position on purpose so that still will be obsolete once it’s blown out sky from 50 miles away
@@trenton.tchannel1810 I haven't seen in the video, that it's about BVR??...this video wasn't about your 50 miles fight range... You think Russian fighter jetzt do a Cobra, Bell and all the other manouvers in 50 miles range to the target or what?
@foshizzlfizzl You do realize that BVR engagements start first before WVR combat, right? Also, data gathered by the CSBA found that in the 1990s to early 2000s 55% of kills were from radar seeking missiles and the other third comprised of long range IR missiles. The few percentage left is made up of “other” and about 2% actually comprises of gun kills.
*They also found out that BVR engagements are quickly becoming more and more common*
*What is mentioned less however is that 80% of pilots who are killed in combat do not realize until they’re struck.*
I have a question for you. What is the radar range of the Irbis-E used by the Su-35? Do not replace it with the Su-57’s AESA radar since it doesn’t work and is not operational at all.
And if you think you could just dodge all those MDBA Meteor and AIM-260s/120Ds then you’re wrong. Even physics and thermodynamics disagree. Even if you did somehow manage to dodge one you’ll lose all your energy & velocity, meaning you’re vulnerable to another incoming missile.
@@vincivan8163 sorry.. I have a life outside TH-cam...
Still inferior to Su-30, Su-35 and Su-57. These planes are unmatched in maneuverability.
In terms of actual combat, all the planea mentioned are dead before they get a radar lock on the F-35
@@shaggings Don't think so. The Su-35 has l band radar in the wings and the Su-57 same thing + Aesa radar both having above 400 km range. It's important to mentioned they have both extensive electronic countermeasure equipments. So the F-35 is tossed!
@@carcajou1018 l band is very inaccurate in a scale that is mountable to an aircraft and is unable to be used for SARGM, or AMRAAM. So it's fucked. It might get a broad direction of an F-35 (unlikely since L-band on that small of scale is completely fucking useless, literally will only give away it's position) but the F-35 likely has fired a missile at this point. L band is damn near useless on an aircraft since it is so inaccurate. AESA isn't perfect either, it can give a direction of the aircraft but might not be able to get a lock before it's too late.
SU-57 *ALLEGEDLY* has far weaker stealth capability than the F-35. Which would make sense since US has a bit higher development budget compared to russia. So the Russian counterpart would be detected by the F-35 before the SU-57 would detect it. And lock on range on the F-35 would also be higher thanks to better stealth.
@@shaggings Well the Su-57 has 5 radar. 1 in the nose which is band X + 2 in the cheeks for beaming coverage. Add to that 2 L band which not only are used for IFF but to detect stealth plane. Also the 101KS Atoll electro optical targeting system which detect stealth aircraft and DIRCM which blind IR missile by pointing energy on it. Lastly L402 Himalayas ECM which is rated to be the best is mounted in the rear between the engines. The Product 30 engines will come with new exhaust which is very “stealthier” nozzle.
X band have harder time to detect low observable plane because of high frequency and shorter wavelength but L band have lower frequency and longer wavelength not to mention Optical Infrared Search and Track. With all the radars, optical infrared and ECM integrated the SU-57 have all it need to detect and kill the F-22 and F-35.
@@carcajou1018 countermeasures against IR are useless in a BVR battle since nobody uses IR guided missiles in BVR, L band is too weak since it would need to be a massive ground radar to be of any real use, not to mention that using L band, getting a radar lock is basically impossible sinc eit is inaccurate. AESA X band will detect a stealth aircraft yes, but at what range?, also will it manage a lock until the F-35 gets too close? (Cause remember being detected doesn't mean you can produce a lock the same time you detect the threat on radar) IR tracking is also fucking worthless in a BVR battle, and will only be useful at closer ranges. Targetting system does fuck all if the radar can't even produce a lock on the target 1st.
Once again, F-35 will realistically get the 1st shot off since SU-57 can be locked on from a longer range.
Lol even the f22 maneuvers better
And the f22 is far less maneuverable from the modern sukhois
Not far less. The su 35 has a little more but unlike the f22 it loses its energy fast
If all jet u said use on old-Japan-kamikaze attack style , it will no need super maneuverbility 😥😅😅
I didn’t see a single thing that every single Russian 4th gen fighter can’t do
Exactly, it’s not visible from the outside. In some ways it also isn’t visible at all to the enemy. You’ve got Missiles that can lock on without the plane being pointed at it. You have a helmet that can look through the plane. Advanced sensors, Stealth technology. Plus the fact that it can do anything a normal fighter can do.
@@luigimrlgaming9484 He is talking about the manouvers, not weapons and system capabilities. The title states something but the video does not make the argument.
@@josefranciscoramirez4438 he wasn’t talking about them. But I was