Thanks to all the Tolkien lovers who have written to let me know that Turin is of course a human - one who became elf-like in many ways, but nevertheless a human. I didn't catch the mistake until after recording. Thanks guys!
I always wondered about Ghost being the only Direwolf of his litter who was pale white while, in the books, his brothers and sisters are dark shadows. It reminded me of the contrast between House Dayne’s sword “Dawn” (pale white like milk glass) & all the dark Valyrian Steel blades like shadows. It is always heavily symbolic imagery when you dive into the context. GRRM never ceases to write echoing and rhyming imagery into the backdrop of whatever scene he lays out. Just fantastic.
My theory: Eldrich was the son of a Stark king and an eldest Dayne daughter, possibly the Dayne heir. This would explain why the name exists in both houses but far more often in Stark, it is a Stark name that was brought into house Dayne via marriage. It even mirrors Ashara and Ned’s relationship. Both families have some deep magic in them, a uniting between the two would produce very powerful blood. Perhaps the eldest son went on to be the heir of house Stark and the younger son of eldest daughter became the heir of House Dayne, and maybe the lord of Stark at some point had to kill his Dayne kinsman, mirroring the Bael the Bard tale and Ned and Arthur. Just some observations
Aww LML being stuck in hospital is so much easier with your wonderful self and the smooth as honey voice of Robert. Wonderful work as usual. Always enjoy your videos, and appreciate all the time and work you put into ASOIAF. Hugs ♥️♥️♥️💋💋💋
LML I was sooo happy to get home and find a new video, thank you, you podcasts are amongst a very few ones that I click like before watching it. Thank you!
Please please please do a special on LotR and GoT parallels. I love both stories so much and was discussing this very thing with my sister a day before you uploaded 😊 Thank you LML for putting this awesome stuff together, you spoil us x
I’ve been reading Elric since I heard Moorcock was an inspiration for George. A lot of good insight for asoiaf. I hadn’t heard anyone talk about it yet. Finding out the Tyrion quote about dancing to the strings of your ancestors is borrowed from Moorcock was pretty enlightening on how much George borrowed.
I always hit the like button before the video begins as well. Haha! I am certain beyond a doubt that the ensuing compilation of depth of thought will merit the like. As certain as the sun rise.
Just at the bit where you mention the Starks have dark mourning swords that represent the night. It just reminded me of the name of the darkest hour of the day, midnight 'The Hour of the Wolf'. I've always saw that as very ominous tbh.
Q and A : Could the Others be be blind ? With them smelling the hot blood of men , Old nan smelling dragons when the comet appears and her being blind.
Always blowing my brain up bro.. How can I ever forgive you for taking up all my time with this amazing content..... keep up the awesome work man. Loving it.
Awesome as always LML :D ! After listening to this, I kind of have the following scenario in mind: the original long night can be beaten back thanks to the last hero taking Dawn/original Ice from the others (maybe also a child, because F**K you, that´s why). This sword might have enhanced the power of the others, while being just an awesome sword for humans, just like the Ring is way more powerful for Sauron than for random people. Of course, with the sword missing, this would represent a turning point in the war, ultimately leading to the defeat of the others. Now the last Hero sits there and takes precautions, because the whole thing might happen again. So he orders the wall to be build and takes the sword as far away as possible from the north as he can, just to be sure that the others cannot take a hold of it. Maybe this went also with a sword swap, naming a replica "Ice" just to fool the others. I have always wondered why Jon was born in Dorne. Rhaegar could have gone wherever to lock lyanna up, "secret" places are secret after all. But Martin choose Dorne. Now I can´t help but think that Jon being "swapped" (passed as Neds own) and brought to the north from Dorne, is some sort of inversion... Man, you sure have given me someting to chew on... Cheers!
I started just reading the essay but had to switch to TH-cam as soon as I saw multiple references to Eldric Shadowchaser. Be still my heart time for full immersion.
as a fellow audio engineer, ASOIAF superfan, musician, writer, and aspiring producer of aural narratives, LmL is by far the most inspiring content creator not just among the ASOIAF community, but in general. i've been procrastinating (fancy word for being lazy AF). I so just wanna grab a coffee with this dude someday that i'm done putting it off and start working on a similar program under my LOVEhateHumans channel and try to attract the attention of all the other creators who also stand out IMHO (Q of ideasoficeandfire; gray area; secrets of the citadel; radio westeros; Preston Jacobs; OoftheG-Hand)-----just wanna say thanks, LmL. next time you're in NYC, i'll buy you a coffee and recite Bukowski poems after changing into a US postal service uniform
I think it's just the opposite. All of this black sword of the morning symbolism attached to House Stark shows that Jon doesn't need to be a Dayne to be "the sword of the morning."
Happy New Year. I was recently listening to your channel on a road trip from Texas to Wisconsin to visit family. I was impressed with your research and analysis. In one of your videos you mentioned that you hadn't attended college or studued literature but you took your interest in Martin's works to learn more. Regardless of your background, your efforts really show through in the connections you've made with myths and the story's characters along with the writing influences of Martin himself. I was shaking my head several times in agreement with the connections you made (this video; night king and azor ahai comparisons; or even the GCOTD influences on the first men in Westerns). All really interesting stuff and shows us how layered the writing and thoughtful GRRM really is, in ways I overlooked. From the vids I've watched, we can hear how you've gotten better and better at these topics over time. All of this can't be easy work - to research and craft scripts etc. etc....Formal schooling goes only so far - it's how you apply you talents and interests that matter I think, and what you've done highlights this. I hope thst makes sense. We gotta get you more subs. As an aside, it was fun to learn that you and Quinn are roommates, assuming I heard that correctly. Both of you provide great content. Good luck. 🌟 👍 👏
I just want to bring up that hardly anyone talks about Edric Dayne. It so strange and weird that Arya met a Dayne around the Riverlands and yet one questions his importance in her story or plot. I guess because he doesn’t show up much in the story and could be a important character in the last two books, but since everyone is so up with Gendrya, no one thinks of the possibility of Arya + Edric. A Stark-Dayne marriage alliance be pretty badass duo, and it connects to Arya direwolf Nymeria. Edric can bring dawn in the North once he wields it.
I loved this video about 3x as much because it tied together in symbolic fashion my two favorite fantasy series. GRRM’s critique of JRRT is spot on. But he still uses his work as an influencer in his own artistic fashion and the correlation you brought to light in this episode made it so very clear.
Sorry if I ever mention anything addressed in one of the many other videos I haven't seen yet, but I had a thought about history not being written down by the first men and how before the advent of writing memorization was the means of passing down knowledge. Maybe the magical fantasy equivalent of Celtic druids memorizing and passing down historical knowledge between generations would be accomplished by preserving the memory of history through the weirwoods.
I think you right about AA..AA can be different peoples and the prophesy could fulfilled with every great character doing something...Danny wakes the dragons from the stone,Jon reborn admist smoke and salt,Jaime kills Cercei as nissa nissa and earns the Lightbringer,Mellisandra be the bleeding star,Theon dies by Euron[Water]but saves Yara,Tyrion[The Lion]betrays our heroes to Cercei,Arya takes the face of a WW and stabs the NK with her Catspaw and etc..I dont think AA is just one person ..Maybe AA is all the Westerosi who will fight for their survival and will sacrifice their desire,passion and love for the Throne and for personal power..so to united in one[to create the Lightbringer]and to fight against their common enemy..as the first AA did sacrificed nissa nissa for to earn the Lightbringer and to defeat the enemy ..That will be a so metaphorical interpretation of the prophesy..better than a literal ..In the books maybe be that[GRRM likes metaphors]..in the show ..the fan-service stuff again will take the up hand ..and there will be literal ..for the fans sake..
Vorian Dayne wasn’t Sword of the Morning his relative Davos who married Nymeria sometime after the war was. Also I don’t think Vorian being called Sword of the Evening was meant to imply any sort of ill intent but a reference to being the last King of the Torrentine as such he probably wasn’t even called such until being sent to the Wall if even within his life time. There could be some symbolism with six houses submitting to a seventh the Martells with all the seven numerology we see such as Ned’s group at the Tower of Joy.
Q&A are the majority of the looks that magically mantain themselves through the generations original of the former castes of the empire of the dawn like for example the valyrians were the ruling class (shepherds is a term used in Jewish and Christian tradition to symbolize leadership) the fair features would be to give them an air of majesty and their blood bound to dragons to give them power, the baratheon look might have belonged to the military warrior caste that lead the wight armies and the reason it supercedes all other looks it's because that would make any baby with any other caste inherit the military caste status and thus making it more difficult for coups and internal wars to happen, the Lannister look might have been the financial caste tywin and Tyrion are seeing thinking in economic terms in some instances, shadow binders maybe were the wizard priest castes the other looks save the starks I have no idea
Surely Martin can’t be the genius your work indicates, surely. My God, he must be getting a good laugh as the layman swims blind not knowing the depth of the story.
I don’t know if you still check these comments LML but I’m wondering how convinced you are of GRRMs wordplay stuff. You got me hook line and sinker for all your theories but sometimes I wonder how far GRRM goes with his wordplay (anagrams, homophones, homonyms). Has he ever commented on this or is this something you noticed along the way? Love your work brother!
These are sometimes where I am on the fence as well. Green sea / greenseer I’m sure of but the crew has come up with all kinds of possible wordplays that’s are harder to decide on being valid. It’s just clever stuff authors do to maintain interest
I would like to see the comparisons of LOTR and ASOIAF..by you in your channel....Gray Area [she has an awesome channel]also did an awesome video about the ASOIAF/GOT ending being like the LOTR ending ..and she did compared some GOT characters with the ASOIAF characters..like Bran with Frodo , Jon with Aragorn and Danny with Arwen....I dont believe in that N+A=J ..is just lame theory...I dont think also that Dawn or Lightbringer was a literal sword..it was probably something else and something more scientific ..probably a super weapon of mass destruction .
I always assumed the Eldric was the actual Ashai'i or Shadowlands figure, with the shadow chaser epitaph and all and Azor Ahai was something the Red Priests either made-up (as an amalgamated figure) or picked up as a corruption of the Sarnori founding figure Huzor Amani. But you make a good point about he name being very Westerosi, though the name Melisandre doesn't seem to "exotic" of a name when compared to other characters so Ashai'i names might actually sound "Westerosi". Though I take the idea that the Red Priests are right about all the figures they try to wrap into Azor Ahai with at least a grain of salt. I wouldn't be too surprised to find that they try to claim that just about any mythical founding patriarch figure in some place they are trying to convert is "really" a new version of Azor Ahai, weather or not there is actually any good reason to believe they are connected at all. Namely I find it interesting that there doesn't seem to be any fit for the Yi-tish (although we have no details) "woman with a monkey's tail" figure, and who doesn't seem to fit the "Azor Ahai" warrior patriarch/ancestor archetype that the Red Priests seem to love so much. Although the monkey's tail reference make me wonder if she's basically supposed to be some kind of female Sun Wukong.
I think there's definitely a reference to Sun Wukong! Other than that, the "monkey tail" detail makes me think of Leng and possibly of a Lengii woman. Leng is said to be home to two species in abundance : tigers and monkeys. Just as the "tiger woman" mentioned in the Bloodstone Emperor's myth is taken by some in the fandom to be a Lengii woman, given that Leng is a land of tigers, the "monkey tail" detail can also be a reference to the same woman, perhaps Nissa Nissa who was sacrificed, or maybe the other bride of Azor Ahai/the Bloodstone Emperor, the supernatural/non human one (mermaid wife/"corpse bride"/Meris the maid/the Maiden/etc), IF there was a second bride (there might have been just one). In any case, either her sacrifice helped turn things around, or she acted in a more active way to somehow help bring the Dawn.
Just as we have Blackfyre and Dark Sister.... isn't it possible that we have 2 white swords? Dawn AND Ice? I keep thinking that the meteor from which these swords come would have been the white moon... or perhaps one fragment fell at Starfall and one fell in the North somewhere... like Sea Dragon point or something.
@@DavidLightbringer IDK.... frozen in The Wall as part of it's magic? Down in the crypts? broken? with the Night King? driven into a stone? It's just a thought.... but I can't find much evidence to support it.
Also if the long night was caused by a lunar eclipse won't cracking open the moon end the eclipse. And the dragons that poured fourth would be forging the ultimate weapon against the others?
Could there be any connection between Yin-Tar of the last hero mythology and the Tar-******* Kings of Numenor? Not to mention the whole Targaryen naming connection
I was mostly just being silly, because I didn't think you would reply. But, in Dragon Warrior 1 (aka Dragon Quest 1), the main character is a descendant of the legendary Erdrick. You must visit his tomb, and retrieve his (magical) sword and armor, among other things. Erdrick appears regularly in the Dragon Warrior series, and is even mentioned in Final Fantasy 1, where you see his tombstone. I have no idea if this will be useful to you at all, I just found it interesting.
Okay I read about this a little more and I'm more intrigued. Check this out: "Dragon Warrior, its sequel, Dragon Quest II, and its prequel, Dragon Quest III, comprise a trilogy with a shared timeline. The story's background begins when the kingdom of Alefgard was shrouded in permanent darkness. The brave warrior Erdrick defeated an evil creature and restored light to the land. In Erdrick's possession was the Ball of Light, which he used to drive away enemies who threatened the kingdom. Erdrick handed the Ball of Light to King Lorik, and Alefgard remained peaceful for a long time. The Ball of Light kept winters short in Alefgard and helped maintain peace and prosperity for the region."
In part one I put a comment about blood raven being crasters father.. and that a certain blood line was needed I originally said kingsblood because there was power in Kingsblood but what if they needed Valyrian or bloodstone emperor / empire of the dawn blood.. maybe to create the white walkers they needed this blood because of the bloodstone emperors blood being used to bring about the first long night. House Dane... along the way branches off and became House stark after defeating the white walkers or maybe 13th lord commander... anyways, point was they came back now and never before because now they have targ blood from bloodraven making craster and craster sacrificing his sons..
And since house Dane defeated them during the first long night (last hero) they put the wall up and the right blood has never been available to create the others.. til craster...
@@DavidLightbringer Well..from a psychological pov, R+L only made sense if we ignore Lyannas and Rhaegars personality. I am not alone with this. Plus George wrote it too obvious. We will see what happens in future books. ToJ is an actual place, but if you think about it, it is very strange for it to be in the North Dorne mountains. We only know from Neds fever dream. And Martin already said, that not all of it is true. I say: dream symbolism involved. :))
yeah, idk, not all fantasy people need to be british. why would they be? or romans. well, a roman, or a westerosi is not gonna sound any more british than american
N+a=j is just more fun and more romantic than a grown man cheating on his wife and stealing a star crossed adolescent also love how the order of the green hand break down Ned and ashara running around all over westeros trying to get back to the north to call the banners just way more fun
Makes Ned a real dick for not telling Jon who his mother was. If it's Lyanna, at least he is keeping him safe by not telling. In your version he's either still heavily grieving 15 years later despite finding new love, or he's just selfish and doesn't want to think about so he shoo's Jon away. And everyone in the world seems to think Ashara is his mother. What's the point of not telling Jon, other than just not wanting to talk about it?
With all those Stark/Dayne links in present and past, does that change your view of N+A=J at all? I know you dont like to debate, and i respect it, but theres so much there imo. Come to the dark side already lol 😎
Nope. In fact, finding that there is all this dark sword of the morning symbolism applied to House Stark cuts against one of the arguments for NAJ. Jon has clear "sword of the morning" symbolism, which led some to think he's a Dayne, but in fact it's all of House Stark that has this symbolism.
Thanks to all the Tolkien lovers who have written to let me know that Turin is of course a human - one who became elf-like in many ways, but nevertheless a human. I didn't catch the mistake until after recording. Thanks guys!
I always wondered about Ghost being the only Direwolf of his litter who was pale white while, in the books, his brothers and sisters are dark shadows. It reminded me of the contrast between House Dayne’s sword “Dawn” (pale white like milk glass) & all the dark Valyrian Steel blades like shadows. It is always heavily symbolic imagery when you dive into the context. GRRM never ceases to write echoing and rhyming imagery into the backdrop of whatever scene he lays out. Just fantastic.
wow. wow. GRR gets stunningly deep with his shit doesn't he?
My theory: Eldrich was the son of a Stark king and an eldest Dayne daughter, possibly the Dayne heir. This would explain why the name exists in both houses but far more often in Stark, it is a Stark name that was brought into house Dayne via marriage. It even mirrors Ashara and Ned’s relationship. Both families have some deep magic in them, a uniting between the two would produce very powerful blood. Perhaps the eldest son went on to be the heir of house Stark and the younger son of eldest daughter became the heir of House Dayne, and maybe the lord of Stark at some point had to kill his Dayne kinsman, mirroring the Bael the Bard tale and Ned and Arthur. Just some observations
Whew! You present such dense information - I need to listen several times.
Thanks for Robert's voice! Love you both.
Why doesn't this channel have mor subs? It's very original and you can tell a lot of thought and effort has been put into the vids. Good stuff man.
Feel free to create 20,000 dummy accounts and follow me on all of them!
Or you can just share the videos, that might be better
I will. I'm pretty new to TH-cam but have found some Great channels for asoiaf
I mostly follow LML on his podcast.
Aww LML being stuck in hospital is so much easier with your wonderful self and the smooth as honey voice of Robert. Wonderful work as usual. Always enjoy your videos, and appreciate all the time and work you put into ASOIAF. Hugs ♥️♥️♥️💋💋💋
After George finishes this series, I hope he does a history of Westeros or planetos, as written by The Three Eyed Raven Bran.
LML I was sooo happy to get home and find a new video, thank you, you podcasts are amongst a very few ones that I click like before watching it. Thank you!
Please please please do a special on LotR and GoT parallels. I love both stories so much and was discussing this very thing with my sister a day before you uploaded 😊
Thank you LML for putting this awesome stuff together, you spoil us x
I’ve been reading Elric since I heard Moorcock was an inspiration for George. A lot of good insight for asoiaf. I hadn’t heard anyone talk about it yet. Finding out the Tyrion quote about dancing to the strings of your ancestors is borrowed from Moorcock was pretty enlightening on how much George borrowed.
Grabs drink. Grabs medication. Hits like. Presses play.
I always hit the like button before the video begins as well. Haha! I am certain beyond a doubt that the ensuing compilation of depth of thought will merit the like. As certain as the sun rise.
*hits bong, presses play
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Very interested in any Tolkien comparison videos!!!!
I'm going to have to watch half of this tonight and leave the other half for tomorrow!!!
Jon is so much like Ned..Honorable ,melancholic and do it always the right think for duty and family.
My Jolly Sailor Bold he's more intelligent though
in the same level with Ned..in the show..in the books yes ..he is by far more intelligent.
My Jolly Sailor Bold not to say I think ned is stupid what he says Catelyn to do it's right on point she just doesn't do it
yeah hey lml was just a bit a rewatching one of ur vids T.P.T.W/P to the others ! loving this already . love all u do
Thanks LmL!! Your analysis always makes me think and see situations with a new perspective.
Awesome!!! Can't wait to dive into this.
Just at the bit where you mention the Starks have dark mourning swords that represent the night. It just reminded me of the name of the darkest hour of the day, midnight 'The Hour of the Wolf'. I've always saw that as very ominous tbh.
Hey wow Robert is really good to, this episode came more suddenly than I expected
Love Love Love this! Totally my peace of cake. A bit fast for Non-English speakers, so many information, but great.
Q and A : Could the Others be be blind ?
With them smelling the hot blood of men , Old nan smelling dragons when the comet appears and her being blind.
Yes. Do the LOTR episode with Blue Tiger, please.
Always blowing my brain up bro.. How can I ever forgive you for taking up all my time with this amazing content..... keep up the awesome work man. Loving it.
Awesome as always LML :D !
After listening to this, I kind of have the following scenario in mind: the original long night can be beaten back thanks to the last hero taking Dawn/original Ice from the others (maybe also a child, because F**K you, that´s why). This sword might have enhanced the power of the others, while being just an awesome sword for humans, just like the Ring is way more powerful for Sauron than for random people. Of course, with the sword missing, this would represent a turning point in the war, ultimately leading to the defeat of the others. Now the last Hero sits there and takes precautions, because the whole thing might happen again. So he orders the wall to be build and takes the sword as far away as possible from the north as he can, just to be sure that the others cannot take a hold of it. Maybe this went also with a sword swap, naming a replica "Ice" just to fool the others.
I have always wondered why Jon was born in Dorne. Rhaegar could have gone wherever to lock lyanna up, "secret" places are secret after all. But Martin choose Dorne. Now I can´t help but think that Jon being "swapped" (passed as Neds own) and brought to the north from Dorne, is some sort of inversion...
Man, you sure have given me someting to chew on...
Cheers!
loving all the connections to middle earth.
I started just reading the essay but had to switch to TH-cam as soon as I saw multiple references to Eldric Shadowchaser. Be still my heart time for full immersion.
oo n a big bonus , love you too robert
Damn, this new intro sure builds the hype.
I've wanted it for 2 years... it's the only theme music I ever really wanted.
as a fellow audio engineer, ASOIAF superfan, musician, writer, and aspiring producer of aural narratives, LmL is by far the most inspiring content creator not just among the ASOIAF community, but in general. i've been procrastinating (fancy word for being lazy AF). I so just wanna grab a coffee with this dude someday that i'm done putting it off and start working on a similar program under my LOVEhateHumans channel and try to attract the attention of all the other creators who also stand out IMHO (Q of ideasoficeandfire; gray area; secrets of the citadel; radio westeros; Preston Jacobs; OoftheG-Hand)-----just wanna say thanks, LmL. next time you're in NYC, i'll buy you a coffee and recite Bukowski poems after changing into a US postal service uniform
All this makes me lean more towards Jon being Ned and Ashara's.
I think it's just the opposite. All of this black sword of the morning symbolism attached to House Stark shows that Jon doesn't need to be a Dayne to be "the sword of the morning."
I just think GRRM would never let the show spoil Jon’s parentage
Happy New Year. I was recently listening to your channel on a road trip from Texas to Wisconsin to visit family. I was impressed with your research and analysis. In one of your videos you mentioned that you hadn't attended college or studued literature but you took your interest in Martin's works to learn more. Regardless of your background, your efforts really show through in the connections you've made with myths and the story's characters along with the writing influences of Martin himself. I was shaking my head several times in agreement with the connections you made (this video; night king and azor ahai comparisons; or even the GCOTD influences on the first men in Westerns). All really interesting stuff and shows us how layered the writing and thoughtful GRRM really is, in ways I overlooked.
From the vids I've watched, we can hear how you've gotten better and better at these topics over time. All of this can't be easy work - to research and craft scripts etc. etc....Formal schooling goes only so far - it's how you apply you talents and interests that matter I think, and what you've done highlights this. I hope thst makes sense. We gotta get you more subs.
As an aside, it was fun to learn that you and Quinn are roommates, assuming I heard that correctly. Both of you provide great content. Good luck. 🌟 👍 👏
Theme music is intriguing!
I just want to bring up that hardly anyone talks about Edric Dayne. It so strange and weird that Arya met a Dayne around the Riverlands and yet one questions his importance in her story or plot. I guess because he doesn’t show up much in the story and could be a important character in the last two books, but since everyone is so up with Gendrya, no one thinks of the possibility of Arya + Edric. A Stark-Dayne marriage alliance be pretty badass duo, and it connects to Arya direwolf Nymeria. Edric can bring dawn in the North once he wields it.
David... Just saying. If you ever get tired of ASOIAF I will happily listen to you go on about Tolkien.
I loved this video about 3x as much because it tied together in symbolic fashion my two favorite fantasy series. GRRM’s critique of JRRT is spot on. But he still uses his work as an influencer in his own artistic fashion and the correlation you brought to light in this episode made it so very clear.
Poseidonc12 yes!
The way he butchers the pronunciation, I'd be happy to read it, but listening? Hell no.
Hamarbi Ljungskile ok let out your nerd rage
What did I butcher
Pronunciations sounded fine to me!
Probz the series I've enjoyed most so far. Top class as always lml....
Sorry if I ever mention anything addressed in one of the many other videos I haven't seen yet, but I had a thought about history not being written down by the first men and how before the advent of writing memorization was the means of passing down knowledge. Maybe the magical fantasy equivalent of Celtic druids memorizing and passing down historical knowledge between generations would be accomplished by preserving the memory of history through the weirwoods.
Ya! Can’t hardly wait to hear this!
When that epic intro song hits...
I'm a pretty big Tolkien nerd, and would love more of that
I've been a great fan of "#TheTolkienProfessor."
Moorcock’s Elric has been one of my favorite fantasy characters since I was a teen.
They're not pronounced the same, but it's so tempting to see Edain/Dúnedain and think of House Dayne.
I hear The History of Rome, a Dan Carlinest style, I love it.
And if you mix black and white, you get grey. Jons colour is grey. Arthur+Lyanna=Jon. Black and white.
Oh, and I prefer the pronunciation of JRR's elven language as "KWIN-ya." You mention of Kenya may have confused some...
We need you to say "SAURUMON" more often.
TENS OF THOUSANDS!
One correction, Turin was a Man, not an Elf.
Ah. I knew I'd get something wrong, lol
I think you right about AA..AA can be different peoples and the prophesy could fulfilled with every great character doing something...Danny wakes the dragons from the stone,Jon reborn admist smoke and salt,Jaime kills Cercei as nissa nissa and earns the Lightbringer,Mellisandra be the bleeding star,Theon dies by Euron[Water]but saves Yara,Tyrion[The Lion]betrays our heroes to Cercei,Arya takes the face of a WW and stabs the NK with her Catspaw and etc..I dont think AA is just one person ..Maybe AA is all the Westerosi who will fight for their survival and will sacrifice their desire,passion and love for the Throne and for personal power..so to united in one[to create the Lightbringer]and to fight against their common enemy..as the first AA did sacrificed nissa nissa for to earn the Lightbringer and to defeat the enemy ..That will be a so metaphorical interpretation of the prophesy..better than a literal ..In the books maybe be that[GRRM likes metaphors]..in the show ..the fan-service stuff again will take the up hand ..and there will be literal ..for the fans sake..
Vorian Dayne wasn’t Sword of the Morning his relative Davos who married Nymeria sometime after the war was. Also I don’t think Vorian being called Sword of the Evening was meant to imply any sort of ill intent but a reference to being the last King of the Torrentine as such he probably wasn’t even called such until being sent to the Wall if even within his life time. There could be some symbolism with six houses submitting to a seventh the Martells with all the seven numerology we see such as Ned’s group at the Tower of Joy.
Q&A are the majority of the looks that magically mantain themselves through the generations original of the former castes of the empire of the dawn like for example the valyrians were the ruling class (shepherds is a term used in Jewish and Christian tradition to symbolize leadership) the fair features would be to give them an air of majesty and their blood bound to dragons to give them power, the baratheon look might have belonged to the military warrior caste that lead the wight armies and the reason it supercedes all other looks it's because that would make any baby with any other caste inherit the military caste status and thus making it more difficult for coups and internal wars to happen, the Lannister look might have been the financial caste tywin and Tyrion are seeing thinking in economic terms in some instances, shadow binders maybe were the wizard priest castes the other looks save the starks I have no idea
Surely Martin can’t be the genius your work indicates, surely. My God, he must be getting a good laugh as the layman swims blind not knowing the depth of the story.
I don’t know if you still check these comments LML but I’m wondering how convinced you are of GRRMs wordplay stuff. You got me hook line and sinker for all your theories but sometimes I wonder how far GRRM goes with his wordplay (anagrams, homophones, homonyms). Has he ever commented on this or is this something you noticed along the way? Love your work brother!
These are sometimes where I am on the fence as well. Green sea / greenseer I’m sure of but the crew has come up with all kinds of possible wordplays that’s are harder to decide on being valid. It’s just clever stuff authors do to maintain interest
I would like to see the comparisons of LOTR and ASOIAF..by you in your channel....Gray Area [she has an awesome channel]also did an awesome video about the ASOIAF/GOT ending being like the LOTR ending ..and she did compared some GOT characters with the ASOIAF characters..like Bran with Frodo , Jon with Aragorn and Danny with Arwen....I dont believe in that N+A=J ..is just lame theory...I dont think also that Dawn or Lightbringer was a literal sword..it was probably something else and something more scientific ..probably a super weapon of mass destruction .
So after resurrecting Jon is going to go super valyrian
I always assumed the Eldric was the actual Ashai'i or Shadowlands figure, with the shadow chaser epitaph and all and Azor Ahai was something the Red Priests either made-up (as an amalgamated figure) or picked up as a corruption of the Sarnori founding figure Huzor Amani. But you make a good point about he name being very Westerosi, though the name Melisandre doesn't seem to "exotic" of a name when compared to other characters so Ashai'i names might actually sound "Westerosi". Though I take the idea that the Red Priests are right about all the figures they try to wrap into Azor Ahai with at least a grain of salt. I wouldn't be too surprised to find that they try to claim that just about any mythical founding patriarch figure in some place they are trying to convert is "really" a new version of Azor Ahai, weather or not there is actually any good reason to believe they are connected at all. Namely I find it interesting that there doesn't seem to be any fit for the Yi-tish (although we have no details) "woman with a monkey's tail" figure, and who doesn't seem to fit the "Azor Ahai" warrior patriarch/ancestor archetype that the Red Priests seem to love so much. Although the monkey's tail reference make me wonder if she's basically supposed to be some kind of female Sun Wukong.
I think there's definitely a reference to Sun Wukong! Other than that, the "monkey tail" detail makes me think of Leng and possibly of a Lengii woman. Leng is said to be home to two species in abundance : tigers and monkeys. Just as the "tiger woman" mentioned in the Bloodstone Emperor's myth is taken by some in the fandom to be a Lengii woman, given that Leng is a land of tigers, the "monkey tail" detail can also be a reference to the same woman, perhaps Nissa Nissa who was sacrificed, or maybe the other bride of Azor Ahai/the Bloodstone Emperor, the supernatural/non human one (mermaid wife/"corpse bride"/Meris the maid/the Maiden/etc), IF there was a second bride (there might have been just one). In any case, either her sacrifice helped turn things around, or she acted in a more active way to somehow help bring the Dawn.
Just as we have Blackfyre and Dark Sister.... isn't it possible that we have 2 white swords? Dawn AND Ice? I keep thinking that the meteor from which these swords come would have been the white moon... or perhaps one fragment fell at Starfall and one fell in the North somewhere... like Sea Dragon point or something.
Where the other sword then???
@@DavidLightbringer IDK.... frozen in The Wall as part of it's magic? Down in the crypts? broken? with the Night King? driven into a stone? It's just a thought.... but I can't find much evidence to support it.
Speaking of a Stark-Dayne sandwich, what do you say of N+A=J?? Sounds like a potent combo!
I say nay, m'lady. Nay, very nay.
Doesn't resonate in the astronomical formulae?
Please do a LOTR ASOIAF livestream that would be dope.
19 minutes in and E+A=J for sure.
Also if the long night was caused by a lunar eclipse won't cracking open the moon end the eclipse. And the dragons that poured fourth would be forging the ultimate weapon against the others?
Could there be any connection between Yin-Tar of the last hero mythology and the Tar-******* Kings of Numenor? Not to mention the whole Targaryen naming connection
Did you ever that Japanese Katana sword is forged in similar way to lightbringer
Has the mythycal astronomy of ice and fire being translated to Spanish maybe I could do some of the chapters in this summer
BlueTiger yeah it's atrocious I was thinking of translating 1 or two
BlueTiger though to be fair the houses names weren't translated
BlueTiger thanks I seem to be the least useful and more controversial subscriber of LML
BlueTiger don't hate me for that
Don't forget about Erdrick from Dragon Warrior 1.
Care to elaborate?
I was mostly just being silly, because I didn't think you would reply. But, in Dragon Warrior 1 (aka Dragon Quest 1), the main character is a descendant of the legendary Erdrick. You must visit his tomb, and retrieve his (magical) sword and armor, among other things. Erdrick appears regularly in the Dragon Warrior series, and is even mentioned in Final Fantasy 1, where you see his tombstone. I have no idea if this will be useful to you at all, I just found it interesting.
Also, you need to obtain these items in order to slay the Dragon Lord.
Okay I read about this a little more and I'm more intrigued. Check this out: "Dragon Warrior, its sequel, Dragon Quest II, and its prequel, Dragon Quest III, comprise a trilogy with a shared timeline. The story's background begins when the kingdom of Alefgard was shrouded in permanent darkness. The brave warrior Erdrick defeated an evil creature and restored light to the land. In Erdrick's possession was the Ball of Light, which he used to drive away enemies who threatened the kingdom. Erdrick handed the Ball of Light to King Lorik, and Alefgard remained peaceful for a long time. The Ball of Light kept winters short in Alefgard and helped maintain peace and prosperity for the region."
I'd guess he took the name from Elric of Melnibone, who was a pretty big deal in the 70's and 80's.
In part one I put a comment about blood raven being crasters father.. and that a certain blood line was needed I originally said kingsblood because there was power in Kingsblood but what if they needed Valyrian or bloodstone emperor / empire of the dawn blood.. maybe to create the white walkers they needed this blood because of the bloodstone emperors blood being used to bring about the first long night. House Dane... along the way branches off and became House stark after defeating the white walkers or maybe 13th lord commander... anyways, point was they came back now and never before because now they have targ blood from bloodraven making craster and craster sacrificing his sons..
And since house Dane defeated them during the first long night (last hero) they put the wall up and the right blood has never been available to create the others.. til craster...
I believe there's one azhor. Like the legend of Gilgamesh is true and each nation gave him their own name.
dank
What do you say to my theory that The Tower of Joy is in fact the Palestone Tower at Starfall? It would fit to what you say.
No, the tower of Joy is an actual place. I have to say I am dead set against anything other than RLJ, fwiw
@@DavidLightbringer Well..from a psychological pov, R+L only made sense if we ignore Lyannas and Rhaegars personality. I am not alone with this. Plus George wrote it too obvious. We will see what happens in future books.
ToJ is an actual place, but if you think about it, it is very strange for it to be in the North Dorne mountains. We only know from Neds fever dream. And Martin already said, that not all of it is true. I say: dream symbolism involved. :))
And his wife said George would never make it as simple as that.
Elrod of Melvinbone
1:26:00 : "...An ELF named Turin..." :D
yeah, idk, not all fantasy people need to be british. why would they be? or romans. well, a roman, or a westerosi is not gonna sound any more british than american
N+a=j is just more fun and more romantic than a grown man cheating on his wife and stealing a star crossed adolescent also love how the order of the green hand break down Ned and ashara running around all over westeros trying to get back to the north to call the banners just way more fun
Makes Ned a real dick for not telling Jon who his mother was. If it's Lyanna, at least he is keeping him safe by not telling. In your version he's either still heavily grieving 15 years later despite finding new love, or he's just selfish and doesn't want to think about so he shoo's Jon away. And everyone in the world seems to think Ashara is his mother. What's the point of not telling Jon, other than just not wanting to talk about it?
Praise Garth!
With all those Stark/Dayne links in present and past, does that change your view of N+A=J at all? I know you dont like to debate, and i respect it, but theres so much there imo. Come to the dark side already lol 😎
Nope. In fact, finding that there is all this dark sword of the morning symbolism applied to House Stark cuts against one of the arguments for NAJ. Jon has clear "sword of the morning" symbolism, which led some to think he's a Dayne, but in fact it's all of House Stark that has this symbolism.
Lol fair enough
I have always heard Feanor pronounced. Fey a nor
Your pronunciation threw me.
Tongue twister Tolkien names 😂