The Blood of the Other: A Baelful Bard and a Promised Prince
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- The Blood of the Other series swings in to full gear by exploring the blood tie between the Starks and the Others. We'll consider the potential historical precedent of Gilly as a Night's Queen figure whose baby is smuggled away by the Night's Watch before being turned in to an Other. Theme music by Stanley Black. Flamenco guitar by John Walsh. Vocal performances by Martin Lewis and the Amethyst Koala.
Covert art by Karla Ortiz
So jon and the others are brothers from another mother
Oh man I totally should have made that joke... I'm disappointed in myself now
Lucifer means Lightbringer I loved the Les miserables reference
An other mother 😉
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I'm in deep, man. I read A Game of Thrones years ago and didn't think much of it. Only after listening to you and Ideas of Ice and Fire over the past six months has my seemingly insatiable interest and investment in this franchise truly been instated. I am presently on the fourth novel, hundredth or so theory video, and half-way through the World of Ice and Fire text. Your essays and analyses have given me much and more with which to entertain myself while going to sleep, waiting for the doctor, or running (as I do every day, to the tune of your Spotify podcasts). Just saying. I'm a huge fan. Thank you for all your hard work. I wish I knew anyone with whom I could discuss all this in person. It drives me mad being the only deep lore fan around my city.
Quite right. David really does make it so much better than what we've seen in the last years since the show's fin.
Nobody: *nothing*
LML: Everyone is Night’s King
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Maybe Melissandre is looking for King's blood in the wrong place. Could King's blood trully be.... Night's King's blood?
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When you talk about the son of the nights king being rescued reminds me of Zeus
There’s a lot of night symbolism in the daenerys chapter where she eats the stallion heart. The “other” Dothraki, call of night birds, they stared at her with eyes of night. All of those were from the same paragraph right after she finished the stallion heart.
I always return to these masterpiece podcasts. You really nailed it with this and the zombie series.
I know George has said his "Ice Dragon" story does not take place in the same world as ASOIAF("The world of Ice and Fire did not exist when I wrote The Ice Dragon"). Could he just be twisting words to throw us off? The place where Winter (the dragon) fell turning into a pool? Winter Is Coming? What if the "Heart Of Winter" is the life essence of elemental ice magic and these Others and the aforementioned Ice Dragon are servers or avatars of this essence, akin to Sauron spreading his power in LOTR. Instead of an Eye we have a heart. Show me what you GOTTTT😁
Love it as always. One of these days I'll throw you a few golden dragons haha
I like what you GOT
Ice dragon girl is the Ice queen.
i saw a george interview & i swear he said it was set in the same world as ASOIF but 600 years earlier ???.i always thought there must be ice dragons cause i read this book.it was co written but i thought it was a good story i liked the way the dragon chose the girl to be her rider...
I know this old post but I heard an other story why Winterfell is that name it where the Others/Cold Ones/White Walkers are turn back/stop and ahead back towards the North.
Love the epic intro music, reminds me of watching Fantasia
wow, wasnt expecting another one niceee you are the best lml
But Monster was also switched with Mances child adding another twist. Not that I think the Starks wouldn't have taken in a baby from the Night King. I just think the switch is echoed as well in another way.
Completely random- the Donner family tried to forge their way through the Sierra mountain range and got trapped. They ran out of food and the family split up...and ended up eating each other. Kinda goes along with everything.
The God Ba'al's name is actually pronounced closer to the way we say Bael. It's Bay-el. But, said fast by native speakers of the language, it's basically said just like Bael.
If you look at craters on Mars, they often have a central peak, so the Gods Eye actually matches the geography of a crater.
YES! 🤣🔥🔥❄️ That intro rocked!
Two videos in one week resurrecting our dark Lord lml (I did a table top rpg campaign with some friends) has greatly paid our efforts
In Mahabharata a telling of a great war , 100 kauravas were born to Gandhari from a single lump , which was placed in jars . After two years hundred children were born from this . Maybe an inspiration from this
What if the Ice Queen is Nhysa Nhysa? Azor Ahai kills her, she's resurrected, and that's why he takes a necromantic ice woman/corpse queen as a lover?
Magic is supposed to come with a cost, but the resurrection of his wife would break this logic and create an imbalance, just as the Long Night creates an imbalance of the night/day and the seasons.
The Ice Queen would have been the first, and together they'd make more Others. At some point they come into conflict with Azor Ahai, who must fight them and eventually put down Nhysa Nhysa and restore the permeance of death.
Lots of holes on this theory, but it would make Cat/Lady Stoneheart a good Nhysa-Nhysa/Ice Queen parallel.
Have you read The Generations of Men by Robert Frost? It's a poem centred around a huge extended family that returns to their place of origin (a hole in the earth in the town) to understand their past. The poem is focused on a young man and woman from different branches who are the only ones who turn up, and end up having an interesting conversation about their roots. The familiy's name is STARK.
Given the initial inspiration for ASOIAF coming from 'Fire and Ice', it's quite a curious read...not sure if George has ever read it but I'd love to get your thoughts! Some of the ideas in the poem - such as Stark blood being found in every famiy within town - had me thinking of some of your ideas.
no but wow does that sound fascinating and relevant!! thank you!
@@DavidLightbringer I thought so! Would some mythical analysis, there are quite a few parallels…he even leaves her with a flower.
Suprised you didn't discuss Balder being killed by Loki by a spear/arrow of mistletoe. And Odin's spear, Gungnir, famously broken in half, when Odin tries to stop the hero, Sigurd, from getting to Brunhilde (who was, of course locked in a tower) to awaken her from her magical slumber, after killing a dragon.
There is theory that Bonifer Hasty is the true of father of Rheagar is not product of incest unlike his brother Viserys. Aegon the unlikely with Lady Blackwood Jaehnerys II and with his sister Rhaella and Bonifer Rheagar and Lyanna equal Daenerys.
Would the son of Night’s King be the Prince of Darkness?
I was thinking more like the son / sun of winter
Prince of Dankness? Sign me up!
You're thinking of Garth Greenthumb, he of the sticky fingers
Lucifer means Lightbringer the black hole sun?
Ruth C pure genius
I love going back and rewatching these. LML you should rank your favs one of these days.
Not a bad idea! And thank you!
I fucking love the opening it gives me Conan the barbarian vibes
last night I started with this in podcast form and after an unspecified amount of time I heard your voice comparing NK to Rhaegar and Bael, wondering about whether the song he was singing during the Long Night was about him “getting away with” what he was doing with the Night’s Queen, just like Rhaegar and Bael were singing about seducing their moon maidens. Is that in this podcast/video? Did I dream about it?? I text-searched the blog post and came up with nothing! Someone help.
You may touch on this later, but wildlings thought Jon Snow was an Evil name... maybe it’s because of the half or saved “Other” baby... goes along I think.. maybe that’s where the bastard name snow really came from..
Obviously the books and the show have gone their separate ways, but I could see this as being the "big reveal" in season 8. It's why Jon is always having a staring contest with the Night King, and why the Night King marked Bran. It could also be why Benjen couldn't be completely turned. They are all of the same blood.
Also you mentioned the number 19 and it made me think of the metonic cycle which has to do with the new and full moons being on the same days every 19 years.
I know this is six years old but I wanted to point out: Abel makes a lot of symbolic sense for Mance and the wildlings. The biblical figure Abel was a hunter gatherer and his brother Cain a farmer. They're often read as stand ins for the hunter gatherers who were, shall we say, 'replaced' by the larger more hierarchical agricultural societies. God loved the strong manly hunter Abel better but Cain killed him and took his birthright. Mance joined the free folk where every man is free and rises through his own strength but he sees his people slowly dwindle as the kneeling dweebs from the south kill and replace them. See also "the last of the giants" which Ygritte sings, which has these themes all over it.
yeah that tracks
Also Perseus killed the famous monster Medusa who had many snakes in her head instead of hair (madness or dragons) and turned everyone who dare to stare at her into stone.
What a great treat coming home from a chaotic day at work and having new LML video! Your episodes are work of art, worth waiting for! Thank you LML
Well that's an extremely kind thing of you to say, thank you! I am so glad to help treat you, I am sure you deserve it!
Maybe all these meteor strikes were part of a larger asteroid which broke the arm of Dorn.. which all that was started by the children of the forest.. asteroids also brought the long night.
Also.. what if the valyrians figured out how to recreate Azor’s sword.. enchanted or sacred fires and a blood sacrifice.. they could have used dragon fire as the sacred fires and sacrificed slaves for the blood sacrifice? Just thoughts.. maybe they also add the nature magic adding in magical stones like meteors or dragon egg shells.. and these different stones give the valyrian steel different characteristics.. just thoughts.
Great stuff about Irish mythology with Balor in there -on a separate but related note you know about the Dagda's harp right? How he put the Formirians to sleep with it? Might be useful to think about it in context of the bards maybe.
I completely agree. Ned liked the cold, they lock their dead up in the crypts. I think the NK is grandpa stark and the Starks we know are part WW. Their abilities are way to much like the NK as well. The Starks are the WW's. The question than is: are the WW's truly evil?
Craster = baby Maegor Targaryen.
Also... what if bloodraven, when he went missing north of the wall he fathered Craster... and all the white walkers now have Targ blood because blood raven was a Targ Bastard..
What if a certain blood line was needed to create white walkers.. a kings blood as their is power in kings blood. Coasters sons would have had kings blood. The NK would be a stark and they were kings of winter.
Early in this video, you compare over and over baby Monster to Jon, having both been stolen and hidden as bastards in order to protect them.
And yet, this comparison only feeds my shitpost theory that Benjen + Lyanna = Jon, because now it's a baby *born of incest* that was claimed as a bastard. Either I'm actually onto something here, or I need to stop shitposting so hard.
I mean there is SOME secret with Benjen right?
@@DavidLightbringer Put yourself in his shoes for a moment.
Youngest of 4 children (3 boys and a girl) Your lord father, eldest brother, and only sister just died. You've been holding a seat at Winterfell. Your only remaining brother returns from war, with a single confirmed heir (Robb), and after those two, you are next in the line of succession. (No matter the parentage of Jon, trueborn uncles come ahead of baseborn sons)
Now, we don't know exactly when Benjen took the black, maybe it was after Sansa was born, maybe even after Arya. We're probably pushing it saying it was after even Bran.
We don't know why he took the black. But I don't accept that it's because he just wanted to or that he'd accepted that he'd never rule. I figure there's a good reason for it. And incest-birthgiving killing the sibling he was closest to (😬) makes sense as a possible explanation.
And it gives Ned a reason to sympathize with Cercei's children being Jaime's (instead of repulsed like most of us were when we found that out.)
Two hours, ten minutes?! Wow!
Yep, this is the main course here. The prelude was just to get the juices flowing :)
Omg that ancient aliens impression 😂👽
In reference to the 19 pattern. Could it be possible that it’s pointing to the nights watch were actually supposed to take a wife and man the castles, raising their children to man the wall and watch for the others. That’s what I gather thinking about the arrow heads, crasters wives and the 19 castles 🤷♀️
John Snow facing Eddard Stark in his dream, do you think it could actually happen? I think it could. Maybe there is a reason why the lords of Winterfell are always entombed in a crypt.
I'ts a wilder possibility, but it's pointed out many times that Ned's bones never reached WF...
Lucifer means Lightbringer precisely. Maybe the reason the lords of Winterfell are always entombed in a crypt is so they cannot be claimed by whomever recruits the dead. And if you 're right about the Starks being blood of the others...
Oh god that's a wonderful theory. What if the sealed tombs all contain wights, possibly even walkers in hibernation waiting for the Long Winter to Come and should they ever be released, they could be a paramilitary force of shocktroops South of the Wall to weaken the primary enemies before the main force gets there.
And Ned not making it there certainly activates the almonds.
Perhaps that was part of the Pact. That all Starks that die are to be reanimated and after having to kill them off from rising from the dead, they finally wisened up and sealed them in tombs. As wights could die to fire, but the Walkers only die to Obsidian and Valurian Steel, the only weapon would have been Ice.
It gets even more spooky if you combine that with the theory that the Crypts lead all the way to the caves of Bloodraven.
Preston Jacobs has just done a video about Craster's potential connection to Brynden Rivers: th-cam.com/video/qOsDOXbVKEY/w-d-xo.html
Jon Snow takes an inner thigh wound. I've always wondered if George was doing that on purpose to say he's not capable of having children? Maybe it's just to point out the similarities of the situations with all those characters... I've never heard anyone else mention it!
Petyr "Bael"ish doesn't seem much like a Night's King figure, the connections are rather tenuous, but some have linked him to The Great Other. There's tons of great stuff in this video but some of it is highly stretched.
I fall asleep to your videos
>54 seconds ago
Oh no I almost missed it
Does GRRM like Twin Peaks? Blue Rose? Thelemic Moonchildren? Shadow selves? Doppelgangers? Tulpas?
Formorians...Originally from "under the sea" and tied into "Sea Peoples" like the Merovingians (supposedly descended from a Quinotar) and the Canaanites/Phoenicians through whom we get plenty of "sea monster" mythology from Dagon to Lilith/Leviathan, the ophidian Goddess Cults, the Kraken, the Gorgon, etcetera, which ties back into later Gnostic/kabbalistic/occult/alchemical figure Baphomet and all the Tantric "serpent power" traditions among other goodies.
lml. I just started getting into your videos recently after I heard you in "a feast of theories, everything white walkers". Normally im a Preston j/ ideas of ice and fire/ order of the greenhand listener. I have a question sorry if you've already went over it I'm trying to catch up on your videos. So everyone thinks winterfell is either where the others fell for the first time or where a dragon named winter died (at least most people do, I realize everyone has different interpretations) anyways what do you think of the idea that winterfell is the spot the others were created for the first time? As in, the place winter fell on the world..... I personally like to think the last hero had a huge direwolf named " winter" and he built the castle in honor of the wolf and that the real last battle for the dawn happened at battle isle... thanks for any reply.
In Eddard IV got “Ned dreamed of a frozen hell reserved for the Starks of winterfell”
I found that interesting after this video
Azor Ahai will make The Wall great again.
Maybe defeating the others will literally involve marrying one of them as a compromise
Love your P/C. Let me ask this though, why is it necessary for this to keep happening to the Stark's ? These children being for lack of better terms "inserted" into the Stark family? Is it because the bloodline has been diluted over the centuries? That's about the only reason I can come up with.
Recently found the channel, I’m liking your logic. At first read, a lot of this went over my head. Second time through I noticed some of these patterns. I appreciate the 420 friendly explanations 🤙🏽
Oooh you’re into the deep magic! These were the days…
Bael is also the name of one of the Princess of hell I believe in certain religious mythos.
Yes!!! Thank you!
I like to read your transcripts on LmL.com, and then come here to speak my mind!
Ha ha but one thing that really made my brain melt was the whole thing with the Plumms and how VISERION specifically was the one that was trying to bond with Ben. Man, no wonder it takes George decades to write this stuff.
Probably too minor of a character to be a dragon rider, correct?
probably, but his affinity with the dragons could still play a small part in some scene. Also, in the heat of battle, someone like Ben or Tyrion could "ride a dragon" sort of by accident, that doesn't necessarily mean that they are one of the official "heads of the dragon." George is pretty creative and TWOW will no doubt have tons of surprises
@@DavidLightbringer I want more than 3 dragons to see other characters besides Dany bond with them, but I feel like that's just a Dance of the Dragons remake, and a bit stale. Now, if there was to be a dragon with an affinity to ice, well, that's different.
I always thought the "But you will fly" statement from BR to Bran to mean he was going to warg a dragon. But I guess ravens fly too, and I know "flying" is a metaphor for greenseeing, but how BADASS would a Bran warged Ice Dragon be D:
Great vid, ty! I am now current having started from the very first one to arrive at this point. I have never been a mythology person and so here admit to suffering much brain crampage in the beginning but having the determination (or stubbornness) of a wildling forged ahead believing the prize on the other side of the Wall would be well worth the effort. I believe it has been and so again I say thank you! I have a question about a reference you made to someone who had done a series on the God's Eye. I believe you said there were three parts? Could you please tell me who that was and whether to search youtube or podcasts? Looking forward to your next installment!
Hey there! Yeah, that's from An American Thinks, and the first one in the series is here:
th-cam.com/video/w8cSlErf5Eo/w-d-xo.html
also found him a few months ago and think he is right and found the reason grrm planted the godseye in the books. wether grrm will use the godseye as explaination or has just implemented and later discarded the idea.... well only him knows
Thanks LmL. I have watched him in the past.
True that! Only he knows.../sigh lol. So many questions and so few answers! :)
8:45 where we wonder why lyanna is the night's queen
Yes, it is vague to say you'll talk about sound and music in ASOIAF; that was my initial doubt in my own ponderings on and off myself vis-a-vis the role of song in the series to come. I'm not as smart or dedicated as you, LML, so I'm VERY interested in what you'll have to say next video (Yeah, I know I'm two years late)
Piggybacking on the comment I left on the previous video in this playlist but it is also directly connected with topics in this video. Could it be possible for AA and NN to have spawned 3 bloodlines to coincide with the three branches to the flavors of magic that are able to access the weirwood wifi? I mean you made fantastic points for the stolen baby, but I think if you strip down the forging of Lightbringer as a way to see the three bloodlines he made to try to access the magic. And the birth of the third child could have caused NN death the way that Jon did for Lyanna. The child had to be cut out of her the way that I think Jon had to have been, neither women were big enough to give birth to a child that size without help. Petite women having large babies is not easy, I know first hand that things can go sideways quick with child birth but I luckily had happy endings unlike the Other ladies I am referring to. This would also fit in with the fall of the long night. AA gets the magic to tap into the weirwood wifi a little bit more with each child that they make together based on what he sacrifices and the final birth of his final creation killed his wife. I think that AA would go a little nuts with her death and it would mess with the seasons because he brings her back and this perversion leads the children (men) and the CotF to make the pact to banish AA and NN or what became of NN. She would go the realm of always winter in the real world equivalent of the tainted aspect of the weirwood net and that the wall was made by the three bloodlines to say this is the place that we will fight back against you if you cross. This could lead to the possibility of AA having been placed on the Wall as both a punishment and a reward like it is in the current story, he doesn’t get to be where he wants but he is not dead and cut off from the Weirwood net that he co-oped for him and his descendants away from the Children for his descendants. His action of NN death at the time of the eclipse with the cracking of the moon, it can all happen like that and it would turn our vision of him as this mythical figure who gave Men magic that they would not have into this bad guy who screwed everything up because he did. So the three spawn of AA and NN could also fill in the baby thief and the Last Hero and it could also give the third child that was saved by the “older” siblings (green thread and red thread of the magic weirwood wifi flavor combo triad that I see happening based to the evidence that you’ve pulled out is how I translate the info so far that become the Man wielder of the WW wifi) steal this baby that should have been dead and that child grows up to be the blue thread baby who has more of a direct tie to the Others since his death would coincide with the death of his mother and her rebirth as this angry cold woman who has forgotten who she was this with NN death we get the Night’s Queen. The Blue flavor child, Last Hero I think down the line would be the one who went into the Land of Always winter to end his parents because Night’s Queen, our tainted and transformed NN calls to her AA who when she finds him transforms him from the AA golden guy that he started out as and then he became a angry cold man on the wall so going to her and casting off the last ramaints of humanity would not be hard for him and that is how we get Night’s King and that aspect of the myth. And instead of winter ending like it should (we know that the seasons are not like ours but I think that it winter and summer there probably had a ⅓ winter and ⅔ summer and they probably were on a 10 year cycle *pulling this out my bum* so it would be a 3 year winter 7 year summer) but when Night Queen and Night King meet up and start tainting the Nights Watch the seasons fracture even more because they taint the WW wifi and that is why the Last Hero was sent and how we get the CotF possibly giving Man the power to creat fire wights since they saw how the Others were making ice wights and those become the new Brothers on the Wall and why they mirror the Others. This is how it is lining up in my mind and I was wondering if this translates in the same vein that you are thinking. I like always am mostly thinking specifically with NN/NQ in mind. Anyway this is not how I originally figured any of her story but you make such fantastic points on things that would not connect but they do, tilting your head while squinting works, but not everyone sees the same thing when everyone does it and that is why I asked such a long ass question. If you made it to the end of this you really are amazing and a trooper for putting up with me. Keep up the fantastic work.
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Swords also sing many times in the text a fight ,maylay, or battle is described as the singing of swords
Daenrys, mother of dragons, could also one as well - a night queen / night king figure?
The nights king and queen had a son who was rescued and he became Coldhands! Half other half human, the children of the forest say he’s very old i think it makes sense. Not sure what his purpose is beyond that
A magical cocoo in the nest?
Your theory is the same as the origin of House Atreides in Dune... Also Gilly has Manse's baby not Crastors at this point in the story, the babys were exchanged.
keltic (with a hard c sound) is used to describe languages/ people etc. the other pronunciation 'seltic' (celtic) is ONLY used to describe football teams. great video otherwise :)
A double entendre refers to a second, explicitly sexual, meaning.... Tsk tsk.
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I wonder if Lord Pearse Caron from the Hedge Knight is a Nights King/Bael the Bard character - his personal sigil was a silver harp, he's talented singer and harpist, and is Lord of Nightsong w/ nightingale heraldry.
With regards to the mythical world where westeros inhabits, i like think that its an Earth sized planet, maybe a tad larger, and has a slower orbit around its host star and thus the summer and winters are longer than here on earth. As well as the rotation on its axis tumbling having an effect on the winters coming suddenly and sometimes long as hell. Its a cool concept.
This is probably my 4th time listening through the series, it’s without a doubt my favorite mythical astronomy subject. Thanks for the hours of that good good and amazing analysis!
So Brandon the breaker or his son is the prince that was promised? I’m assuming being that he is the one who put a stop to the “long night” he or his son is the prince the ww were coming for
Not sure about the welsh refrence. Pla pronounced (plaa) is a bit of a long shot from bael
Can I marry Daphne and live in her poppy fields please??!!!!!!!
franklin the majestic elk got a shoutouttttt
Finally, a creative, open minded, yet logical analysis.
The Holy Grail lines... Love them! Hehe 😊
“You can only catch it on a reread.”
*Noticed the irony of the song and much more on the first read.*
🤣 Some of us are intelligent and observant, tyvm.
It takes me forever to read anything in ASOIAF because I over analyze everything lol
Seen you put this on Twitter and couldn't wait for you to drop this!! Love these types of videos. You should do some more podcast with ideas of ice and fire or poor Quentin.
Right on! Those are two of my favs, I will surely be doing more with both of them, both on my channel and theirs. Thanks for saying so!
Jon-Val_Jon.... Nice! :D
Baylor and Gart - Sandor and Gregor
Was waiting for this to drop man!!!
Video starts @ 4 minuets? ? ?
Maybe the waking dragons from stone and the Dragon under winterfell symbolism is also connected
THIS is art.
In the Books version Jon Snow is the son of Brandon Stark and Ashara Dayne.
Lol no
@@DavidLightbringer Sir We shall the truth of Matter when Grrm finish his books.
@@sophiawilson8696 indeed we shall! And if you heretics are right I will stick around and eat my crow, dont worry.
Craster had pigs, not sheep or goats, not a shepherd and his hair was white from age not genetics.
Craster had sheep. Cold Hands lied and told Bran and Company they were eating a pig when they were eating the dead mutineers' bodies. If that's what you are referring to.
@@brandonlambert9768 Crastor 100% has a Sow and piglets when the watch visits...in addition to cold hands lying about the meat he found.
,@@ironreed2654 I could have sworn they said he bartered sheep and sheepskin, my apologies.
@@brandonlambert9768 hmm unless I'm thinking of the show, I know he compares one of his wife's crying in labor to his sow
@@ironreed2654 Maybe that's what has me confused. Either way, it was great to have a civil discussion these days over any topic.