@@Teamoneilrally I watched your review of the Tacoma and you mentioned it struggled... not as much as me watching that video. I own both a Rubicon and a TRD OFFROAD Tacoma (6 speed manual) and both vehicles are capable off road and out of all the reviews of the Tacoma yours is the only one that mentions it struggled off road.
@@SimplyCarReviews I have a 13 Taco...now I may not be a hard core off roader but my truck sees some rough haul roads in northern ontario...it does NOT struggle at all. The only thing that struggled was Grantrek Dunlop tires...they are colossal pieces of 💩💩💩💩💩. I switched to Goodyear Adventures for summer and Durtracs for winter and off road.
That was a great review! I’ve seen plenty of reviews of the JL off-roading but nothing like this, no fan boy hype, no typical auto journalists rants, keep it up. The Tacoma video was great as well, you point out so many things that get left out in the typical off road review. 🤜🏼
These are really valuable reviews, thanks! Nobody else goes into that kind of detail on what electronic nannies and assists are active in various situations. Would love to see more of these.
I have the two door. Nearly rolled it a couple times trying to find out what it can do. Very capable vehicle, way more than my 88 YJ lol. Super fun, not as "rough" and tough looking as my YJ, but the AC is nice. If i'm paying 40k+ for a car that i'm going to possibly scratch and dent, i want ac..
We took ours out with local jeep club yesterday. Was a whole lot more than we expected. We have much better tires and aired down to 18psi.. Kept up with much more modified jeeps. We did get it high centered once but a good spotter got us through.
Fj was designed for military not intended for civilians, and its hard core. The blind spot, suicide doors etc is just mere criticism. If you know to drive hard, it doest matter. Its for the dummies to complaint.. Bla blah bla I read a lot than drive. Any day toyota is more reliable. And now the jeep is with fiat..already started showing electric complaints, rack nd pinion complaints etc. Nothing worse could happen for jeep than to marry fiat. So don't complain about a wonderful machine FJ. Don't be cocky, There is always someone better than you. Waiting to feel ford bronco..!
Another amazing in depth review that finds things the average reviewer would never even think of - please considering doing some similar reviews of road cars as well as off-road vehicles.
If it wasn’t stated earlier, that’s not the abs but the brake lock differential engagement we’re hearing. It’s for when the lockers aren’t needed but there is still an issue with wheel slip. This feature came stock even in the 07 JK’s. It can be turned off with a bit of steering wheel judo with the starter switch
I really can't get on with all the electronic assistance in modern cars. I want the controls to do the same thing every time I use them. That way if something reacts or feels different then you know something's up. To be fair though I've never driven a car with fully electric steering. Is there even any feedback at all?
@@Scott-gy9ob just saw this reply.. you are correct, they don't... so it is a 3.6l..hmmm. I also have a Tazer JL, maybe it helps with completely disabling stability control or other issues he's experiencing.
Awesome Review. 👍 I am a Muscle Car Guy w/ a Dual Interest in Off Road. On a Arkansas Trip my Friend let me Drive his 2018 2 Dr Rubicon. I felt on the Road it Handled like a Pig. 🐷 But i reminded myself this is an Off Road Vehicle not my 5.0. HOWEVER a logging truck came into our Lane and i quickly got off the Road and went thru a shallow ditch. I got back onto the Road before i would have took out a Mailbox. While my Friend Praised my Driving i thought how Off Road it HANDLED LIKE A DREAM! I told him his Brand New Jeep Rubicon has just been Officially Off Road Tested! Pass! 💯💯💯👍✔🏆
I have the same issues the throttle hang , the traction control in low and high never fully disables which eats brakes . Id like to add the wheel hop is horrible in snow and sand Great video
got a pre abs jeep LJ rubicon but if you want a quick easy way to completely disable the abs control find the abs relay and which wire i the output, might be two or more wires, run them in cab through a switch keep switchon while daily driving flick it off while offroad
fix for starting it in gear is equally as simple its all just simple limit switches, find the clutch switch i think thatd be the only one an run it to a switch if you want it to need clutch for daily.. id just jump the safety ive never accidentally turned my key in gear with the clutch out
Quick question, why not engage to front and rear lockers in 4-low when off road? I’ve never experienced traction control engaging while off road, but I tend to have my lockers on. But yeah, the fan is loud as hell and the throttle lags a ton.
Rear lockers you can leave mostly locked but front limits your cornering ability. Also, if you leave them unlocked and get stuck, they might get you out. If you have them locked all the time, if you get stuck, you have to rely on your winch or buddy to get you out. Personally, I lock them as needed depending on the obstacle in front.
confettihunterminus1 non Rubicon models have a real LSD in the rear. The Electronic Brake Differential is just there for when you don’t feel the need to engage the lockers due to the higher driveline stresses. Patric should have just engaged the lockers in that and gone through, no drama. That’s how Jeep intends this thing to be driven.
The throttle overrun is most likely there from Jeep to reduce emissions. If you cut the throttle quickly (and the throttle actually closes) you can send unburned fuel into the exhaust. Worst case this could also damage the catalytic convertors. My son has talked about this often on his 2013 Accord EX-L coupe (V6, 6-spd, AWESOME toy!!!), is still looking for a fix.
It works well a fair amount of the time, but it seems unnecessary with lockers front and rear. Why add that variable and complication? Maybe we just like the fun and challenge of off roading with open diffs, then having the lockers when we need them. Also how much more affordable could the Rubicon be without all that stuff?
George Thompson my 08 JKUR doesn’t do that throttle overrun nonsense. Just tested last night. Stabbing the gas pedal brought the revs up and right down. Must be a new thing in Jeeps. You’re right, probably for emotions/fuel efficiency.
Team O'Neil the Brake Lock Dif is there as part of the overall stability controls/anti-role/ anti lock Brake system. Since ‘07, Wranglers have included these features to keep the vehicles insurable and on the road. Something about passing the muse test and preventing rolling. Either way, it would be there whether it’s a Rubicon/Willys/Moab/Sport/Sport x/Sahara package so no real increased cost or complexity. As to the being able to fully disable, yeah don’t know why it’s isn’t at least burried in the setings. Most Jeepers aren’t truly that off roaring/driving purism oriented so leaving it for the majority makes senses. Also the system enhances the LSD in lower spec models. I’ve specially tried doing lots of off-roading and not used the lockers just to prove to others that you don’t NEED the up spec models like the Rubicon just to go off road. So there is that.
Hello Wyatt, I just bought a 2 door manual transmission Rubicon and I need to ask you something: When I shift from 1st to 2nd, at the very moment that the clutch is "grabbing the gear" I hear a clank noise coming apparently from the transmission, I have to take the clutch really slow to avoid this clank (this slows the speed), I also like to add that I read on the manual the following: "NOTE: A certain amount of noise from the transmission is normal. This noise can be most notice- able when the vehicle is idling in NEUTRAL with the clutch engaged (clutch pedal released), but it may also be heard when driving. The noise may also be more noticeable when the trans- mission is warm. This noise is normal and is not an indication of a problem with your clutch or transmission." Upon your experience is this clank really normal ?, thank you in advance...
Hi! Gonna buy this car tomarrow. The problem is that in Russia we have only 2.0 engine JL version. I heard that the torque on that engine not like on toyota diesel: you have your real 400 Nm of torque only in 2000 RPM, so you can't go through offroad bad places on "jeep-skills", you can do it only "with a running start". So, is Jeep with 2.0 engine not applicable on off-road? What do you think about it (sorry for bad EnglisH) ????
did you have sway bars disconnected? i dont think you mentioned those or did i miss that part? it looked like they were still connected because of the wheel spin and wheel in the air. also im wondering if the traction control will shut off completely if you connected the lockers?
You should make a video about sims, especially richard burns rally. A lot of people who cant rally the real thing are practicing on these platforms, and we would like to know your opinion on handling, realism, etc. Thanks!
They're really good for some things like eye placement, using notes, developing good judgement and planning ahead... But the vehicle dynamics aren't great for learning actual driving and car control skills. Drivers get what we call "training scars" meaning they practice and get good at things that don't actually work in the real world, and those can be very ingrained and hard to fix.
JJ, I think the overrun is to prevent immediate engine braking when you let off the throttle. With such low gearing the engine braking is pretty severe. If you need the engine braking it’s there, just wait a second, otherwise it’s going to be way smoother driving in low range.
Then again, I have an auto. It would probably be more noticeable in a stick. Because of the anti stall tech they're throwing in these modern manual cars.
It's also to smooth out jerky inputs for the sake of the driveline, they probably get more life out of the axles and u-joints, bushings and bearings and everything this way. It's gotta be much harder to "shock-load" the driveline suddenly and break something.
Yall have good points, it's just something to keep in mind when driving since it's not necessarily typical behavior. It might have its pros and cons, but I'm just glad I know it's there because if I didn't it might be a little weird
You need to get your hands on a first generation Honda Pilot and do the same type of review, I have been BEYOND impressed with "Ronda " , I will say that you can't " crawl " but need to commit to an extent but nevertheless it has proven to be AMAZINGLY capable off road
Isn't the throttle that delayed to come down just due to the really low gearing in 4L? The driveline is spining so fast and easily that it takes time wind down. 🤷♂️
Was just curious but, could the maintained acceleration just be that it has a heavy clutch to try and prevent it from stalling while crawling which causes more rev hand thus it feels like it keeps accelerating?
Not a comparable vehicle necessarily but I had a 2011 F250 with throttle over run about as bad as that Jeep. I nearly ate a fence or two with that truck try to plug through fields because it didn't stop pulling when I dumped off the throttle.
There are still cars being sold that let you start in gear from the factory, stock? I thought that's been a default safety feature for a couple decades already.
@@petequinones3454 like, go to a new toyota dealer right now and they're like that? I'm not talking about bypassing a clutch pedal switch or something-that's not stock.
Yup, go to a Toyota dealer and the manual transmission Tacomas will have a button to the left of the steering wheel that is labeled "Clutch Start Cancel." Push that and you can start in gear, usually it's only really useful in 1st or Rev particularly in low range, but you could also use it to get the car on a trailer or off the road if you're out of gas or break down in traffic or something. The Toyota trucks have had it since the 80s, nice to see it still there.
Sounding like a whiner. Listen....Jeep engineers have an interest in taking their time and making functional and useful changes for a vehicle line which is the most profitable for MOPAR. The changes made, which you complained about, actually kept you from getting stuck right? The JL is by far the best jeep ever made and the improvements take it to the next level. Stock this jeep is formidable. Place a lift and larger tires and correct gearing? There isn't a place on earth you cn not visit.
I am so fed up with all these computer controls. I NEED to have my foot connected directly to the throttle body. Nothing more irritating then a car ignoring your inputs and doing what it thinks is best.
If you're going to do a lot of off roading, that would probably make a lot of sense. They don't make many 4x4 ATVs and UTVs with manual transmissions anymore for good reason, the only reason to have one in a truck is if you enjoy the activity of it.
Great video! Just ordered a 2022 Rubicon manual after selling my TJ long ago, and this really gave me some good tips for offroad. One minor (major?) thing - you can bypass the clutch interlock for starting in gear with no clutch in lo range only. th-cam.com/video/q12iXZuYOjE/w-d-xo.html
It would probably do alot better if you had some off road tires ... Those look like street tires ? See how the mud clods up ..almost looks like slick tires and it looks like a good vehicle. But , terrible tires 🙄
They're actually more reliable now than when Chrysler started making the JKs. Chrysler was absolute dog shit in the mid 2000s and everyone thought it was gonna be the end of Jeep because of it.
Just curious about your tires set up, why did you switch out the K02s for the Geolanders? Do you have a specific reason for the switch or was it just what was available to you in that size? I've had both tires before and I feel like the K02 was superior in mud and on rocks. The yokos were awesome on road though, smoothest ATs I think I've ever driven on.
Disclaimer: Yokohama is one of our partners here at Team O'Neil and we run them on basically everything. That said, the Geolandar A/T does probably lean a little more toward smooth roads than the KO2... but there's 4 Yokohama tires in this category and the Geolandar A/T is the most street-biased one. There's also the Geolandar X-A/T which is more off road biased, then the M/T is pretty hardcore and the X-M/T at the full aggressive off road end of the spectrum. This jeep has the normal A/Ts because it's our CEO's daily driver, the Cherokees and Tacomas we run courses with at the school are mostly on the X-A/Ts and the M/Ts, but they'll probably never see a paved road again.
It seems like Team O' Neil is the only channel that actually points out valuable flaws during reviews. Thanks for making these videos I'm a big fan
That's the difference between people who are good with cars and people who are excited about cars, but aren't very good at cars.
Thanks Andrew, it's a lot of fun making these vids and as long as people like you keep watching them, we'll keep making them!
@@Teamoneilrally I watched your review of the Tacoma and you mentioned it struggled... not as much as me watching that video. I own both a Rubicon and a TRD OFFROAD Tacoma (6 speed manual) and both vehicles are capable off road and out of all the reviews of the Tacoma yours is the only one that mentions it struggled off road.
@@SimplyCarReviews I have a 13 Taco...now I may not be a hard core off roader but my truck sees some rough haul roads in northern ontario...it does NOT struggle at all. The only thing that struggled was Grantrek Dunlop tires...they are colossal pieces of 💩💩💩💩💩. I switched to Goodyear Adventures for summer and Durtracs for winter and off road.
That was a great review! I’ve seen plenty of reviews of the JL off-roading but nothing like this, no fan boy hype, no typical auto journalists rants, keep it up. The Tacoma video was great as well, you point out so many things that get left out in the typical off road review. 🤜🏼
We appreciate that, glad you're enjoying them!
Agreed100%
I have watched 100s of wrangler JL reviews and I still learned new things from this video. Great work!
Awesome, thank you!
These are really valuable reviews, thanks! Nobody else goes into that kind of detail on what electronic nannies and assists are active in various situations. Would love to see more of these.
I have the two door. Nearly rolled it a couple times trying to find out what it can do. Very capable vehicle, way more than my 88 YJ lol. Super fun, not as "rough" and tough looking as my YJ, but the AC is nice. If i'm paying 40k+ for a car that i'm going to possibly scratch and dent, i want ac..
At 4:16 you're hearing the "BLD" (Blake Lock Differential) activating where it tries to act like a LSD by applying the brakes individually.
I know a lot of people don't know about the BLD - it is active in 4 low on all trim levels, but you'd think a test reviewer would be aware of it...
I was going to comment this !!
Shoutout to the clutch start cancel button my my ‘86 Toyota.
We took ours out with local jeep club yesterday. Was a whole lot more than we expected. We have much better tires and aired down to 18psi.. Kept up with much more modified jeeps. We did get it high centered once but a good spotter got us through.
6:16, Excuse me? Did I just hear the Jeep sailed over a trail the Taco had issues with?
The Lord has spoken!
The turn off for hill assist is under settings, driver assist, i turned mine off, i use the roll personally
You guys must try the FJ Cruiser I would love to see your opinion on it
Although the FJ is better for dunes and the wrangler is better for rocks doing a will it rally episode will be great
The visibility, blind spots, suicide doors, small back seat, awful seating position, have a feeling he won't dig😆
@@jalilburdeen8698 it all adds character!
@@jalilburdeen8698 exactly and as an owner they really aren't as bad as you would think
Fj was designed for military not intended for civilians, and its hard core. The blind spot, suicide doors etc is just mere criticism. If you know to drive hard, it doest matter. Its for the dummies to complaint.. Bla blah bla I read a lot than drive.
Any day toyota is more reliable.
And now the jeep is with fiat..already started showing electric complaints, rack nd pinion complaints etc. Nothing worse could happen for jeep than to marry fiat. So don't complain about a wonderful machine FJ. Don't be cocky, There is always someone better than you.
Waiting to feel ford bronco..!
Another amazing in depth review that finds things the average reviewer would never even think of - please considering doing some similar reviews of road cars as well as off-road vehicles.
If it wasn’t stated earlier, that’s not the abs but the brake lock differential engagement we’re hearing. It’s for when the lockers aren’t needed but there is still an issue with wheel slip. This feature came stock even in the 07 JK’s. It can be turned off with a bit of steering wheel judo with the starter switch
That is exactly abs dude ;) It's the abs pump that does traction control, electronic lockers or whatever do the marketing guys call it.
If a jeep JL is stuck in the woods, tell them to turn the fan on
I really can't get on with all the electronic assistance in modern cars. I want the controls to do the same thing every time I use them. That way if something reacts or feels different then you know something's up.
To be fair though I've never driven a car with fully electric steering. Is there even any feedback at all?
Excellent review. Makes other TH-cam reviewers sound like empty fluff. Nicely done.
You should show more of the car....that's what we come here for, voice can be heard any way. That's the fun part right? Just a suggestion.
Awesome review! Couldn’t have been more in depth! By any chance do you know what bumper that was?
I noticed this in NH is the or any of your jeeps for sale looking for the same one in this video?
Not at the moment. As for this one in the video, it has been sold.
@@Teamoneilrally do you guys have any coming in on a frequent basis and do you finance?
@Team O'neil I realize this is a dated review, I just wanted to say the details provided are fantastic 👌 and easy to understand. Great video..👏
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it
Awesome review, definitely want to see something this honest on the new defender
You and me both!
I'm pretty sure the JK let you start in gear in 4L. Surprised that's no longer a feature. That throttle hang is insane though.
You guys have the best reviews out there!
best off road review ever found so far... loved it! ❣💪❣
Subscribed. I would really like to see more of these.
That's a 2.0 turbo.. wonder if the low-speed throttle mapping is to keep you in boost. My 3.6l doesn't do that.
They don’t make the manual for the 2.0 I thought?
@@Scott-gy9ob just saw this reply.. you are correct, they don't... so it is a 3.6l..hmmm. I also have a Tazer JL, maybe it helps with completely disabling stability control or other issues he's experiencing.
Sorry you guys have that garbage instead of the bulletproof inline 6
Awesome Review. 👍 I am a Muscle Car Guy w/ a Dual Interest in Off Road. On a Arkansas Trip my Friend let me Drive his 2018 2 Dr Rubicon. I felt on the Road it Handled like a Pig. 🐷 But i reminded myself this is an Off Road Vehicle not my 5.0. HOWEVER a logging truck came into our Lane and i quickly got off the Road and went thru a shallow ditch. I got back onto the Road before i would have took out a Mailbox. While my Friend Praised my Driving i thought how Off Road it HANDLED LIKE A DREAM! I told him his Brand New Jeep Rubicon has just been Officially Off Road Tested! Pass! 💯💯💯👍✔🏆
Great review as always but why did you switch to the Geolanders from the stock Rubicon tires?
I have the same issues the throttle hang , the traction control in low and high never fully disables which eats brakes . Id like to add the wheel hop is horrible in snow and sand
Great video
got a pre abs jeep LJ rubicon but if you want a quick easy way to completely disable the abs control find the abs relay and which wire i the output, might be two or more wires, run them in cab through a switch keep switchon while daily driving flick it off while offroad
fix for starting it in gear is equally as simple its all just simple limit switches, find the clutch switch i think thatd be the only one an run it to a switch if you want it to need clutch for daily.. id just jump the safety ive never accidentally turned my key in gear with the clutch out
My 2012 JK will start in gear, no clutch, if you’re in 4Low. I wonder if they removed that feature for the JLs because of push button start.
Makes me want to buy a jeep. Have you tried a Grand Cherokee off road and rally driving?
Loved this video! Thanks Wyatt!
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks Mike!
Quick question, why not engage to front and rear lockers in 4-low when off road? I’ve never experienced traction control engaging while off road, but I tend to have my lockers on. But yeah, the fan is loud as hell and the throttle lags a ton.
Rear lockers you can leave mostly locked but front limits your cornering ability. Also, if you leave them unlocked and get stuck, they might get you out. If you have them locked all the time, if you get stuck, you have to rely on your winch or buddy to get you out. Personally, I lock them as needed depending on the obstacle in front.
I don't have any questions, but thanks for a good and critical video. Can you make a similar one with a WRX?
As soon as we can get our hands on a new one to use
Glad to see the 4WD tips in a manual trans... there's not much available anywhere online.
moohuhahaaa agreed.
That ABS engaging is they’re excuse for a limited slip diff. At least it has lockers. I think they market it as an anti slip diff or something.
confettihunterminus1 non Rubicon models have a real LSD in the rear. The Electronic Brake Differential is just there for when you don’t feel the need to engage the lockers due to the higher driveline stresses. Patric should have just engaged the lockers in that and gone through, no drama. That’s how Jeep intends this thing to be driven.
The throttle overrun is most likely there from Jeep to reduce emissions. If you cut the throttle quickly (and the throttle actually closes) you can send unburned fuel into the exhaust. Worst case this could also damage the catalytic convertors. My son has talked about this often on his 2013 Accord EX-L coupe (V6, 6-spd, AWESOME toy!!!), is still looking for a fix.
It works well a fair amount of the time, but it seems unnecessary with lockers front and rear. Why add that variable and complication? Maybe we just like the fun and challenge of off roading with open diffs, then having the lockers when we need them. Also how much more affordable could the Rubicon be without all that stuff?
George Thompson my 08 JKUR doesn’t do that throttle overrun nonsense. Just tested last night. Stabbing the gas pedal brought the revs up and right down. Must be a new thing in Jeeps.
You’re right, probably for emotions/fuel efficiency.
Team O'Neil the Brake Lock Dif is there as part of the overall stability controls/anti-role/ anti lock Brake system. Since ‘07, Wranglers have included these features to keep the vehicles insurable and on the road. Something about passing the muse test and preventing rolling. Either way, it would be there whether it’s a Rubicon/Willys/Moab/Sport/Sport x/Sahara package so no real increased cost or complexity.
As to the being able to fully disable, yeah don’t know why it’s isn’t at least burried in the setings. Most Jeepers aren’t truly that off roaring/driving purism oriented so leaving it for the majority makes senses. Also the system enhances the LSD in lower spec models. I’ve specially tried doing lots of off-roading and not used the lockers just to prove to others that you don’t NEED the up spec models like the Rubicon just to go off road. So there is that.
Hello Wyatt, I just bought a 2 door manual transmission Rubicon and I need to ask you something: When I shift from 1st to 2nd, at the very moment that the clutch is "grabbing the gear" I hear a clank noise coming apparently from the transmission, I have to take the clutch really slow to avoid this clank (this slows the speed), I also like to add that I read on the manual the following:
"NOTE:
A certain amount of noise from the transmission is normal. This noise can be most notice- able when the vehicle is idling in NEUTRAL with the clutch engaged (clutch pedal released), but it may also be heard when driving. The noise may also be more noticeable when the trans- mission is warm. This noise is normal and is not an indication of a problem with your clutch or transmission."
Upon your experience is this clank really normal ?, thank you in advance...
Hi! Gonna buy this car tomarrow. The problem is that in Russia we have only 2.0 engine JL version. I heard that the torque on that engine not like on toyota diesel: you have your real 400 Nm of torque only in 2000 RPM, so you can't go through offroad bad places on "jeep-skills", you can do it only "with a running start". So, is Jeep with 2.0 engine not applicable on off-road? What do you think about it (sorry for bad EnglisH) ????
If it isn’t a bulletproof inline 6 I wouldn’t buy it.
Jeep died after 2006
Marvelous video. Thank you.
did you have sway bars disconnected? i dont think you mentioned those or did i miss that part? it looked like they were still connected because of the wheel spin and wheel in the air. also im wondering if the traction control will shut off completely if you connected the lockers?
You should make a video about sims, especially richard burns rally. A lot of people who cant rally the real thing are practicing on these platforms, and we would like to know your opinion on handling, realism, etc.
Thanks!
They're really good for some things like eye placement, using notes, developing good judgement and planning ahead... But the vehicle dynamics aren't great for learning actual driving and car control skills. Drivers get what we call "training scars" meaning they practice and get good at things that don't actually work in the real world, and those can be very ingrained and hard to fix.
I have a 2 door jk sport and thought the 4 door jk was meh and was really dissapointed with a 2 door jl
I have yet to drive a JL, I'll keep all of this in mind when I do eventually drive one. The throttle overrun is especially concerning
JJ, I think the overrun is to prevent immediate engine braking when you let off the throttle. With such low gearing the engine braking is pretty severe. If you need the engine braking it’s there, just wait a second, otherwise it’s going to be way smoother driving in low range.
I have a JL and it's not really noticable.
Then again, I have an auto. It would probably be more noticeable in a stick. Because of the anti stall tech they're throwing in these modern manual cars.
It's also to smooth out jerky inputs for the sake of the driveline, they probably get more life out of the axles and u-joints, bushings and bearings and everything this way. It's gotta be much harder to "shock-load" the driveline suddenly and break something.
Yall have good points, it's just something to keep in mind when driving since it's not necessarily typical behavior. It might have its pros and cons, but I'm just glad I know it's there because if I didn't it might be a little weird
Does it throttle down faster if you tap the brake?
You need to get your hands on a first generation Honda Pilot and do the same type of review, I have been BEYOND impressed with "Ronda " , I will say that you can't " crawl " but need to commit to an extent but nevertheless it has proven to be AMAZINGLY capable off road
Isn't the throttle that delayed to come down just due to the really low gearing in 4L? The driveline is spining so fast and easily that it takes time wind down. 🤷♂️
Pedal Commander has made an entire business out of fixing that throttle issue haha
Why he doesn't hit the offroad+ button to resolve his throttle complaints? He didn't want too?
is this the manual version?
Was just curious but, could the maintained acceleration just be that it has a heavy clutch to try and prevent it from stalling while crawling which causes more rev hand thus it feels like it keeps accelerating?
No, it's keeping the throttle open long after you release the pedal, you can hear it.
Not a comparable vehicle necessarily but I had a 2011 F250 with throttle over run about as bad as that Jeep. I nearly ate a fence or two with that truck try to plug through fields because it didn't stop pulling when I dumped off the throttle.
There are still cars being sold that let you start in gear from the factory, stock? I thought that's been a default safety feature for a couple decades already.
just because they all block it doesn't mean it's not useful. Wyatt's review doesn't pander to modern automotive standards 😉
My brz lets me start in gear
So do Toyotas..
@@petequinones3454 like, go to a new toyota dealer right now and they're like that? I'm not talking about bypassing a clutch pedal switch or something-that's not stock.
Yup, go to a Toyota dealer and the manual transmission Tacomas will have a button to the left of the steering wheel that is labeled "Clutch Start Cancel." Push that and you can start in gear, usually it's only really useful in 1st or Rev particularly in low range, but you could also use it to get the car on a trailer or off the road if you're out of gas or break down in traffic or something. The Toyota trucks have had it since the 80s, nice to see it still there.
Doesn’t this have locking diffs ?
Nice video brother
Sounding like a whiner. Listen....Jeep engineers have an interest in taking their time and making functional and useful changes for a vehicle line which is the most profitable for MOPAR. The changes made, which you complained about, actually kept you from getting stuck right? The JL is by far the best jeep ever made and the improvements take it to the next level. Stock this jeep is formidable. Place a lift and larger tires and correct gearing? There isn't a place on earth you cn not visit.
review starts at 1:15
The hero we needed but didn’t deserve
Probably should have aired down the tires abit.
Good stuff.
That throttle issue - I bet it's one of the brilliant sales department's ideas :D no technician in sane mind would do that on purpose...
It might also be an emissions bandaid, counterintuitively. EE has mentioned it in his reviews of other vehicles.
Don’t buy a Jeep past 2006 if you actually want a Jeep
With street tires
Suzuki Jimmy?
There is a way to turn all that off, read the manual
Pleeeease do a land cruiser.
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I am so fed up with all these computer controls. I NEED to have my foot connected directly to the throttle body. Nothing more irritating then a car ignoring your inputs and doing what it thinks is best.
Moral of the story: get an automatic
If you're going to do a lot of off roading, that would probably make a lot of sense. They don't make many 4x4 ATVs and UTVs with manual transmissions anymore for good reason, the only reason to have one in a truck is if you enjoy the activity of it.
Nice Jeep, just pray you never get in a bad wreck.
Great video! Just ordered a 2022 Rubicon manual after selling my TJ long ago, and this really gave me some good tips for offroad. One minor (major?) thing - you can bypass the clutch interlock for starting in gear with no clutch in lo range only. th-cam.com/video/q12iXZuYOjE/w-d-xo.html
It would probably do alot better if you had some off road tires ... Those look like street tires ? See how the mud clods up ..almost looks like slick tires and it looks like a good vehicle. But , terrible tires 🙄
I will keep my 13 Taco. With over 165 000 kms it still feels solid and rides nearly squeak and rattle free. Toyota is unsurpassed in quality
i seen this video released today and instantly thought of you with the jeep over revving
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"It's NOT a sports car"? According to Enzo Ferrari, the Jeep is America's ONLY real sports car. 🙄
All these problems can be easily fixed......TOYOTA 4RUNNER
So basically what you're saying is the 'safety' electronics can literally get you killed.
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Nice Jeep... its sucks that Fiat took over and ruined the reliability.
Fiat has a history of flakey electronics.
Jeep reliability was gone a while before Fiat got them.
They're actually more reliable now than when Chrysler started making the JKs. Chrysler was absolute dog shit in the mid 2000s and everyone thought it was gonna be the end of Jeep because of it.
Just curious about your tires set up, why did you switch out the K02s for the Geolanders? Do you have a specific reason for the switch or was it just what was available to you in that size? I've had both tires before and I feel like the K02 was superior in mud and on rocks. The yokos were awesome on road though, smoothest ATs I think I've ever driven on.
K02's are king
Disclaimer: Yokohama is one of our partners here at Team O'Neil and we run them on basically everything.
That said, the Geolandar A/T does probably lean a little more toward smooth roads than the KO2... but there's 4 Yokohama tires in this category and the Geolandar A/T is the most street-biased one. There's also the Geolandar X-A/T which is more off road biased, then the M/T is pretty hardcore and the X-M/T at the full aggressive off road end of the spectrum. This jeep has the normal A/Ts because it's our CEO's daily driver, the Cherokees and Tacomas we run courses with at the school are mostly on the X-A/Ts and the M/Ts, but they'll probably never see a paved road again.
@@Teamoneilrally nice, I appreciate the reply. It makes sense to run the smoother tire on a daily.
You couldn’t pay me to drive that electronic Fiat bullshit.
TJ was the last true Jeep!