In this video I compare the new 22 Creedmoor to the old reliable 22-250 Remington. How do these two cartridges stack up against each other? Come find out!
Very nice comparison. To me a fast twist 22-250 is a great do all target/varmint/hunting rifle. Shooting a 80 grain ELD-X or M @ 3000 fps lets you reach way out there and poke your target. A 22-250 fast twist bolt gun and a 22 ARC AR rifle are nice 1, 2 punch to any arsenal.
22-250 is a fantastic round and surely won’t die, but neither will the 22 Creed. 22 Creed has survived the last 10+yrs with zero support from Hornady aside from rare brass availability. Now with SAAMI approval, when the exclusive 2yr ammo rights agreement with Horizon ends, Hornady will make a big push on 22 Creed for sure.
@@tacticalmattfoley my ai does and my regular doesn’t. My 22 creed is a 1-7, ai is 1-8 and regular 22-250 is 1-12. My 22 creed shoots 85.5 bergers at 3350, the ai can do close to that and the regular 22-250 is for varmint hunting with small bullets. 44-60 grains
I haven't seen a 22 Creedmoor in any store yet, but every store has several options in 22-250 and stacked ammo. Some people behind the counter have never heard of it, also when I ask about a 6mm Creedmoor, they say, " you mean 6.5 Creedmoor." It's a little frustrating when salesman are so misinformed.
Just to be honest; I am a 22-250 fanboy. As you allude to, brass is an issue. How long, if ever, before the supply of brass for the 22 Creed is available? Cost of a new barrel with a fast twist in 22-250? Good barrels installed $ 500.00. New 22 Creed and scope? Who knows but it still a lot more than just a re-barrel. Now you have a barrel that will shoot all those way cool, heavy for caliber, BC to moon, bullets. Now compare the 22 Creed to the 22-250. At this time, I haven't seen a 22 Creed that you can purchase for less than $ 1500.00. Now brass. No advantage compared to a 22-250 and you are correct. 22 Creed is going to be a flash in the pan, just like the .223 WSSM.
@@williamlaird2136 this guy just reads out of the reloading manual! He knows nothing! Go over to Ron Spomers channel and he has the facts,he in the field and also has tons of experience. This guy is an idiot and only info he has is Reloading manuals!
I like that creed. Similar to my 22-243 wildcat except mine is 1:9 and probably wont shoot the heavies well. Its set up for 69 gr matchkings right now. Maybe 75 Amax.
Well here we go again , you can rebarrel any standard bolt face short action to a 22-243 ( with a fast twist ) if you are going to use heavy bullets and neck down the endless supply of 243 brass and not have ammo worries ! And if you don’t reload you should be ! New is not always better ( it’s just different ) . Sorry the truth is not always pleasant !……. BTW the 22-243 is 50 years old , the 22 crapmore is just reinventing the wheel !………
Have you considered doing a video on all the cartridges that Hornady has or will likely bury with their market power? 22 Creed, 6.8 Western, and I am sure there are others
@@ReloadingWeatherby oh I’m sorry genius! It was auto spelled! I know you can spell it because that’s all the knowledge you have is from that fucking book! Hornady is that right? Quit representing yourself as a pro or influencer because it is pathetic!
Factory loading of 22 Creedmoor is way slower than handloads. Im getting 3500 with Varget SRP an 75 ELDMs. I like my 250 nothing bad to say about it. But according to ballistic calculator 500ft lbs more energy. Yotes like to hang up on me around 250, 300 yds so i wanted flatter an faster. My aggravation with my 250 was finicky in magazines cause of the taper. I do wish the just made 22-250 in 8 twist to be more versatile.
@stephenpaquet they do it's what my 22 Creedmoor is. I just meant I wish everyone did. Tikka also does 1 in 14 so gotta look on the barrel. Bergara is doing a 1 in 9 now which works depending on what you want. Really I'm kinda surprised no one is chambering the 22 Creedmoor yet other than the high end guns.
6mm Creedmoor really didn’t get the Same marketing campaign as 6.5 did and yet it made it. I’m also questioning its existence in the next 5 years but I think you’ll see enough other ammo manufacturers supporting it and start seeing factory rifles chambered in it soon. Too early to say for sure one way or another.
But the 6mm Creedmoor has had Hornady's support. 22 Creedmoor doesn't. Only thing Hornady is doing for this cartridge is making ammo. Which might be enough.
WY can't BROWNING make a BAR IN,,,22,,250 we would love that for Coyotes in winter hunting with hounds,,,,,,MK3 HELLS CANYON,,,,,,MY 243 SHOOts 58gr Win reat good,,,,No exit holes at any distance...OLD.ABB
You put the same grain projectile in them both and the creedmoor is much more superior I use both cartridges 22-250 is very good ! Creedmoor with 55 gr bullets H4350 41 gr charge 3820 fps 22-250 55gr 39 gr of imr 4350 3620 FPS Apples to apples
I did say the 22 Creedmoor is better. But why are you using a powder that doesn't get you as fast velocities? You can easily get 3800 FPS with a 55 gr using another powder.
Imr is a faster burn powder in 4350. Your comparison isn't apple-apples. I've done the velocity tests in the same rifle. Still the Creed does perform slightly better because of case efficiency. But in my opinion don't sell your 250 re-barrel with a 1-8 twist with a 70 or 75 grain and shoot to 800-1000 very comfortably
With regard to your prediction about which cartridge will no longer be with us in 10 years I would have to agree. As a reloader it doesn't matter how good a cartridge is if I can't find brass to buy. If brass does not become more widely available for the 22 CM reloaders will lose interest. One positive thing that I think will come from the 22 CM is that rifle makers will get the hint that they need to start putting out more 22-250s in faster twist barrels rather than the 1/12 that many of them are doing. My 250 is a 1/10 which gives me a little bit more flexibility to shoot some of the higher BC buillets while still shooting the good ol 55g as well, but sometimes I wish I had a 1/9.
If you were a reloader you would realize you can take 6.5 and 6 creedmoor and run it through a 22 creedmoor die and you'll have 22 creedmoor brass. Also Hornady, Peterson and Alpha Munition make 22 creedmoor brass. There is more than enough brass out there. There is also a fair amount of factory ammo out there.
@@CMR.718 Why be so offensive??? You are accusing me of not being a reloader? I reload for the 222, 22-250,243,257 Roy,260 Rem,270 Win, 308, and the 300 Win Mag. You know nothing about me. With regard to the manufacturers that you name: I have gotten onto Peterson's several times looking for 22 CM brass and it is listed as not currently available. Hornady might make it, but it is not available on their website and not available on Midway USA, Powder Valley, Graf, etc... With regard to forming your own brass by necking down a 6.5 CM case, YES, it is possible to do that but that process causes the neck to thicken and will require neck turning. I don't want to fool with that. Would rather buy factory brass. I guess that means I am not a TRUE reloader....Shaking my head
Do you even own one? Doubt it! I just broke my Vandal in yesterday. Please stop posting BS! If a guy has half a brain this gun will last just as long as a 22-250 or a 220 Swift no problem but you can't be stupid!! Hell, Horizon can't get them built fast enough and I had a buddy tell me that Fierce was in the same boat.
Not a fair comparison as far as case capacity. IMO. 243 vs 22 creed. Both barrel burners but yet what varmint round isint. 22-250 AI with a slow twist for the 90gr pills vs 224 Valkyrie
Sounds like you're nit picking. 243 Win vs 22-250 isn't fair at all because of the slow twist rate on the 243. IMO there is no "fair" comparison. Each cartridge is different enough that it can't be Apples to Apples.
Your right I am nitpicking & like your content. But was referring to 243 & 22 creed which have the same case capacity more or less. Good stuff buddy keep em coming.
The 22-250 is a great cartridge and will never go away. The other one will. It's marketing for a new rifle and you cant find ammo or even brass for it. I'll stick to the 250 as its not a 500yd gun. It's meant for Vermon, varmit, or whatever that is small.
If Hornady decides to double down the marketing for this round specifically for target-varmint shooting-hunting, and they keep prices competitive, i can see it surviving, especially for varmint. Not a wide range of light and fast cartridges for this role. I could see this being serious medicine for larger varmints and predators like coyote's for sure
BTW What ever happened to.22 WSSM for comparison..?!?! Also, the way you’re comparing bullet weights & bullet types. It seems like you are just another person on Hornady’s payroll. All your comparisons are very Similar to Kamala Harris‘s word salads.
There's not one cartridge recipe in any of these books that i use in any rifle i own. Have to go deeper than copying load data from a book only. Figure out why a bullet does what it does. These books can be and are very misleading.
Austin, great video. With Hornady backing the 22 ARC and you were only buying one gun which caliber would you choice? Bolt gun or an AR platform for coyotes and just plunking? Thanks for sharing.
Too many commenters get a little confused. You can "Compare" any cartridge with another cartridge anytime. That doesn't mean that they will "Equate" or be equal, or be better than another. Bullet designs are either intended for hunting or target/match. That is why there are different cartridge dimensions, powder volume, calibers, cases, primers and manufacturers. This is a good "Comparison".
On thing I don’t think a lot of people consider is the expansion threshold. If the smaller rounds are going so fast they do not expand prior to exiting an animal it greatly reduces the lethality. Thats where BC, Sectional density, velocity and mass really matter. Flat and fast is great but I would rather have slower if that means expansion is maximized for a particular projectile.
well, this is definitely one of your weird comparisons. I don't see how you can conclude anything with a comparison like this. oh yeah, and its hy-per-bo-le not hyper-bole. just help you out there a little.
@ReloadingWeatherby there is nothing similar between the two in your comparison. did you just make this video for the sake of making a video without caring if there was anything valid?
Your exactly right. No big money push for hornady, it's not their baby and they have so much invested in the other cartridges. It's a better paper puncher and maybe ethical whitetail kills out to 200 maybe 300yd, that's its. 22-250 is king of the "red most" for small game and that's what it does well😂
@@rosalindstewart7013 I wouldn't say it's a great fox round if your hunting for fur .it's not much better than a 250 for fox. The best round I've found for fox is a 22 hornet but if you reload I think you could make the 204 a great fox gun just load down to about 2600 to 2700 fps and keep your shots at 200 yards range and I think it would be a fur friendly round and still take coyotes at that range
For all u babies. TLDR: Their basically the same but one is standard with a fast twist. Both derived from the same case. Even tho it says otherwise. Its all a 30-06 or 308
I’ve had a mod70 pre war .220swift on the brain few yrs and love to load some see where I could take it…find the old 23gr bullet I think it was ron showed on that vid penetrating armor where .06 wouldn’t….5k fps copper n lead only…
@@ReloadingWeatherbyyou need to get Little crow gunworks on your channel he seems to have a much better understanding of cartridge comparison than most larger youtubers
Really enjoyed your video, brother. New subscriber. Thanks for sharing this info. Curious where did you get that Excel PowerPoint showing all the different cartridges where you can plug-in new bullets and BC?
It’s impact velocities not energy that determines how a bullet performs. A heavy for caliber 77 TMK, 80 or 88 grain tipped match bullet will kill better than you think having very impressive wound channels. The 53 grain 22-250 in this example is not even in the same class. You can’t use bullets so different in design and function for velocity comparisons at any range. The 22 creed takes all the modern developments of bullets and case design delivering a cartridge is superior for today’s shooter. The 22-250 is and always will be a great varmint round in its original configuration and needs faster twist barrels to do what the 22 creed was designed to do from the beginning.
Let me guess... You hangout on Rokslide? I never claimed energy was important in this video... Horizon was touting the energy. Speaking of velocities... Once you get past 500 yards it won't have the velocity to expand.
Lets be honest. The cartridge has been around longer than you say and has already killed hundreds of deer and predators. Your indo is incorrect, or you are a 22-250 fanboy. Gun professionals dont agree with you either...
@@ReloadingWeatherby you also stated it's not a good dear cartridge AND said it's new. Neither of which is correct. I would advise doing more research before posting info. There are already tons of vids of clean kills with this cartridge...
@@ReloadingWeatherby if anyone is shooting dear at 1K yards... They are highly irresponsible. I practice all year long and really have never shot one at more than 300. I do know that in the desert here they will shoot 5-700 yds for bigger dear and other game. Brother uses 338 for long range eastern desert
@@ReloadingWeatherby oh I stop watching when you get the reloading book out and give a thumbs down because you have no ballistics or field testing and I’ll bet you don’t have but one or two Weatherbys! so I’m not watching and I’ve tried to block your nonsense but every once in a while it will have one of your videos on here and then here comes the reloading book. I hope you never try flight lessons because from a flight training book would get plenty people killed by just reading what’s published! Joke! Lolololololol! 😆
Why is that? I know the numbers, but why is the 55 seemingly so relatively anemic compared to the 50 in the 22-250? Case capacity? It’s only 5 grains of extra bullet.
Give Hornady time. They don’t want to squash the 22ARC. I bet they begin to push the 22Creed in a few years. Or just assume it will take off on its own.
@@rosalindstewart7013Ruger Compact Magnum. When the Winchester Short Magnum’s came out there was some legal disputes over Ruger chambering their rifles in it so they teamed up with Hornady to make their own version of a 30 caliber short magnum based off the 375 Ruger case like all the PRC cartridges. I don’t know where the idea for 338 RCM came from but despite fading into obscurity it is an excellent cartridge if you want a heavy hitter in a short action. It lands somewhere between 338-06 and 338 win mag performance.
Because plenty of women and some so called men still use it. Put needmor or PRC after a number and make millions if not billions off fanboys. Hornady marketing has these man bun wearing paper punchers wrapped up. The .243 win and 6mm Remington have been doing this for a long time with 80 grain bullets…. They mention velocities and sometimes energy and BC’s and watch morons go ballistic. Soon we will hear about the .22 needmor owned morons talk about how it’s the ultimate elk caliber…. Soon enough the .177 caliber pellet or BB gun will have a creedmor or PRC after it and be the “ultimate deer caliber” 😂😂😂😂😂
Thank you for some additional information about these cartridges. When as you say, you are comparing apples to other fruits, the only true way to make a "true" comparison, is to start with more boring figures that no one seems to want to bother with. The first item on the side by side list should be a well dimensioned drawing of each cartridge, followed by the volume of each cartridge, expressed in grains of water. This backs up the "size matters" comparison. Another place to make better comparisons, is to use barrels that are equal in length, and twist rate. This would allow comparing the true potential of each cartridge with equal weight bullets from the same box, starting at 50 or 55 grains, handloaded to "equal levels", and repeating the process in increments, as the stock on the dealer's shelves would allow. Some of the cost of such a project could be reduced by chambering the potentialy shortest cartridge, and collecting the data from this round, and then shortening the breach end of the barrel by a couple threads, and then chambering for the longer case. At this point, accuracy is not a point of discussion, as both of these have proven themselves in that category. Maybe all you are doing is doing your comparisons from is data published by other parties, in order to gather subscribers and revenue from the channel. It seems that the "Creedmore" label has been used extensively to market publicity, ammo, and componets. If a person was truly wanting to reach out, with no regard for the life of the barrel, the "224 TTT" should fill the bill in a long action rifle. With 90 grain high bc bullets shot from a 6-7 twist barrel of 28" length to allow setting the barrel back after 300-500 rounds, you will create a stir at the range.
First off you are using a max load data for a 53 gr projectile vs a 75. Not even the same class of bullet or design., also didnt even use the same reloading source for both rounds (wtf). 2. lets make it a handload vs handload. I am smoking the dogshit out of my 250 with my creed all day every. Several hundred fps using the same bullet. Im going to go make a video comparing apples to oranges to see which one makes the best hamburger.
Very nice comparison. To me a fast twist 22-250 is a great do all target/varmint/hunting rifle. Shooting a 80 grain ELD-X or M @ 3000 fps lets you reach way out there and poke your target. A 22-250 fast twist bolt gun and a 22 ARC AR rifle are nice 1, 2 punch to any arsenal.
3000fps is a understatement. Most 22-250 rounds fly at 4000fps
22-250 is a fantastic round and surely won’t die, but neither will the 22 Creed. 22 Creed has survived the last 10+yrs with zero support from Hornady aside from rare brass availability. Now with SAAMI approval, when the exclusive 2yr ammo rights agreement with Horizon ends, Hornady will make a big push on 22 Creed for sure.
Thanks for commenting
The 6.5 and 6 creedmoor has lapua brass. So the Hornady support is not what makes or breaks it. I think i will be the rifle manufacturers choice.
22 creed wins. If it’s a 22-250 ai then it’s a tie.
Agreed
@@AlaskanBallistics I own all three.
Does your 22-250AI have a fast twist barrel?
@@tacticalmattfoley my ai does and my regular doesn’t. My 22 creed is a 1-7, ai is 1-8 and regular 22-250 is 1-12. My 22 creed shoots 85.5 bergers at 3350, the ai can do close to that and the regular 22-250 is for varmint hunting with small bullets. 44-60 grains
. 220 swift has entered the chat
My guess is the credmoore will be gone.
yeah same with the 6mm credmoore
I'm with ya on that too.@@unhippy1
There a million plus 22-250 I agree it ain't going no where..
22 creed isn't going anywhere it has better support then the 250 does when it comes to brass
I haven't seen a 22 Creedmoor in any store yet, but every store has several options in 22-250 and stacked ammo. Some people behind the counter have never heard of it, also when I ask about a 6mm Creedmoor, they say, " you mean 6.5 Creedmoor." It's a little frustrating when salesman are so misinformed.
the word "hyperebole" is pronounced "high per bowl lee.
Ok, thank you
As they used to say on "Rowan and Martin's Laugh In, "Look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls".
Dang, weren't you just at 50K subs? Great job with these videos.
Thank you!
Three 50k mark is faster growth from then on.
I remember when he was at 3000 subs. Hes always spoke truth, and thats hard to find
Just to be honest; I am a 22-250 fanboy. As you allude to, brass is an issue. How long, if ever, before the supply of brass for the 22 Creed is available? Cost of a new barrel with a fast twist in 22-250? Good barrels installed $ 500.00. New 22 Creed and scope? Who knows but it still a lot more than just a re-barrel. Now you have a barrel that will shoot all those way cool, heavy for caliber, BC to moon, bullets. Now compare the 22 Creed to the 22-250.
At this time, I haven't seen a 22 Creed that you can purchase for less than $ 1500.00. Now brass. No advantage compared to a 22-250 and you are correct. 22 Creed is going to be a flash in the pan, just like the .223 WSSM.
@@williamlaird2136 this guy just reads out of the reloading manual! He knows nothing! Go over to Ron Spomers channel and he has the facts,he in the field and also has tons of experience. This guy is an idiot and only info he has is Reloading manuals!
I like that creed. Similar to my 22-243 wildcat except mine is 1:9 and probably wont shoot the heavies well. Its set up for 69 gr matchkings right now. Maybe 75 Amax.
I think other comparison video of the 22-250 and 22 arc is good because Hornady made that claim it was a 22-250 in an ar15 to start
And it's a silly claim
22 ARC is most definitely a tweener. It fits nicely between a 223 and 22-250/22 creedmoor. I like the concept but it aint no 22-250. By a lot.
Well here we go again , you can rebarrel any standard bolt face short action to a 22-243 ( with a fast twist ) if you are going to use heavy bullets and neck down the endless supply of 243 brass and not have ammo worries ! And if you don’t reload you should be ! New is not always better ( it’s just different ) . Sorry the truth is not always pleasant !……. BTW the 22-243 is 50 years old , the 22 crapmore is just reinventing the wheel !………
I don't trust Hornady.....
They lied big-time about their 7PRC ammo velocity to promote sales. SMH
I understand...
Have you considered doing a video on all the cartridges that Hornady has or will likely bury with their market power? 22 Creed, 6.8 Western, and I am sure there are others
Good idea. I've done a video on almost all of the Hornady cartridges.
@@ReloadingWeatherby right out the handbook! He knows nothing unless he has the Hornaday reloading manuals!
@MarktheSharkC *Hornady... good grief you can't even spell the company name correctly.
@@ReloadingWeatherby oh I’m sorry genius! It was auto spelled! I know you can spell it because that’s all the knowledge you have is from that fucking book! Hornady is that right? Quit representing yourself as a pro or influencer because it is pathetic!
Factory loading of 22 Creedmoor is way slower than handloads. Im getting 3500 with Varget SRP an 75 ELDMs. I like my 250 nothing bad to say about it. But according to ballistic calculator 500ft lbs more energy. Yotes like to hang up on me around 250, 300 yds so i wanted flatter an faster. My aggravation with my 250 was finicky in magazines cause of the taper. I do wish the just made 22-250 in 8 twist to be more versatile.
I believe Tika does. But don’t quote me on this. I could be wrong, but you might want to check it out.
@stephenpaquet they do it's what my 22 Creedmoor is. I just meant I wish everyone did. Tikka also does 1 in 14 so gotta look on the barrel. Bergara is doing a 1 in 9 now which works depending on what you want. Really I'm kinda surprised no one is chambering the 22 Creedmoor yet other than the high end guns.
22-250AI?
6mm Creedmoor really didn’t get the Same marketing campaign as 6.5 did and yet it made it. I’m also questioning its existence in the next 5 years but I think you’ll see enough other ammo manufacturers supporting it and start seeing factory rifles chambered in it soon. Too early to say for sure one way or another.
But the 6mm Creedmoor has had Hornady's support. 22 Creedmoor doesn't. Only thing Hornady is doing for this cartridge is making ammo. Which might be enough.
WY can't BROWNING make a BAR IN,,,22,,250 we would love that for Coyotes in winter hunting with hounds,,,,,,MK3 HELLS CANYON,,,,,,MY 243 SHOOts 58gr Win reat good,,,,No exit holes at any distance...OLD.ABB
22 creeds been around for years they just got it sami spec about 5 months ago but good video btw!
I'll go out on a limb and say 90% of the officers did not or still dont even know what Creedmore is and what the significance is lol.
What is the 22-250 velocity with a 75 gr bullet? And also the 90 gr? 22-250 shooting a 90 gr bullet... that's just hilarious 😂
If the rifle manufactures decided to speed up the barrel twist of the 22.250 it would still reign supreme in 5 years.
Is the 22 nosler in the same class as the 22 creedmore
No... it's a little faster than a 223
When everything is the same, it comes down to operating pressure and case capacity.
You put the same grain projectile in them both and the creedmoor is much more superior I use both cartridges 22-250 is very good !
Creedmoor with 55 gr bullets H4350 41 gr charge 3820 fps
22-250 55gr 39 gr of imr 4350 3620 FPS
Apples to apples
I did say the 22 Creedmoor is better. But why are you using a powder that doesn't get you as fast velocities? You can easily get 3800 FPS with a 55 gr using another powder.
I built a 22/250 AI
88 grain @3000 can get 3200 fps
7 twist
@@ReloadingWeatherby your videos are awesome !!
I always like your content !!
Thanks for sharing!!
Imr is a faster burn powder in 4350. Your comparison isn't apple-apples. I've done the velocity tests in the same rifle. Still the Creed does perform slightly better because of case efficiency. But in my opinion don't sell your 250 re-barrel with a 1-8 twist with a 70 or 75 grain and shoot to 800-1000 very comfortably
So the 22 needmores is the new 7prc with published ballistics?
How much more powder capacity does .22 cm have over 22-.250?
Btw hyperbole is pronounced hy-perblee
I have seen a 22 creed for sale. All.i can find is custom orders online.
Wind drift is directly related to b.c of the bullet. Has nothing to do with the cartridge
With regard to your prediction about which cartridge will no longer be with us in 10 years I would have to agree. As a reloader it doesn't matter how good a cartridge is if I can't find brass to buy. If brass does not become more widely available for the 22 CM reloaders will lose interest. One positive thing that I think will come from the 22 CM is that rifle makers will get the hint that they need to start putting out more 22-250s in faster twist barrels rather than the 1/12 that many of them are doing. My 250 is a 1/10 which gives me a little bit more flexibility to shoot some of the higher BC buillets while still shooting the good ol 55g as well, but sometimes I wish I had a 1/9.
If you were a reloader you would realize you can take 6.5 and 6 creedmoor and run it through a 22 creedmoor die and you'll have 22 creedmoor brass. Also Hornady, Peterson and Alpha Munition make 22 creedmoor brass. There is more than enough brass out there. There is also a fair amount of factory ammo out there.
@@CMR.718 Why be so offensive??? You are accusing me of not being a reloader? I reload for the 222, 22-250,243,257 Roy,260 Rem,270 Win, 308, and the 300 Win Mag. You know nothing about me. With regard to the manufacturers that you name: I have gotten onto Peterson's several times looking for 22 CM brass and it is listed as not currently available. Hornady might make it, but it is not available on their website and not available on Midway USA, Powder Valley, Graf, etc... With regard to forming your own brass by necking down a 6.5 CM case, YES, it is possible to do that but that process causes the neck to thicken and will require neck turning. I don't want to fool with that. Would rather buy factory brass. I guess that means I am not a TRUE reloader....Shaking my head
You speak on brass availablity, but lapua has stopped making 22-250 brass. That speaks volumes of the current market demand.
Someone needs to learn how to pronounce hyperbole, lol
Problem with 22 Creed is that barrel burnout is around 1100 - 1300 rounds
I’ve got about 2200 out of mine so far burning 41.8 gr reloader 22 with 70 gr nosler rdf bullets
To a serious target shooter or varmint hunter barrels are a consumable. A small percentage of what the ammo costs.
Do you even own one? Doubt it! I just broke my Vandal in yesterday. Please stop posting BS! If a guy has half a brain this gun will last just as long as a 22-250 or a 220 Swift no problem but you can't be stupid!! Hell, Horizon can't get them built fast enough and I had a buddy tell me that Fierce was in the same boat.
barrels are expendable
Not a fair comparison as far as case capacity. IMO. 243 vs 22 creed. Both barrel burners but yet what varmint round isint.
22-250 AI with a slow twist for the 90gr pills vs 224 Valkyrie
Sounds like you're nit picking. 243 Win vs 22-250 isn't fair at all because of the slow twist rate on the 243. IMO there is no "fair" comparison. Each cartridge is different enough that it can't be Apples to Apples.
Your right I am nitpicking & like your content. But was referring to 243 & 22 creed which have the same case capacity more or less.
Good stuff buddy keep em coming.
The 22-250 is a great cartridge and will never go away. The other one will. It's marketing for a new rifle and you cant find ammo or even brass for it. I'll stick to the 250 as its not a 500yd gun. It's meant for Vermon, varmit, or whatever that is small.
If Hornady decides to double down the marketing for this round specifically for target-varmint shooting-hunting, and they keep prices competitive, i can see it surviving, especially for varmint. Not a wide range of light and fast cartridges for this role. I could see this being serious medicine for larger varmints and predators like coyote's for sure
.22-250? .223? .243? 6mm?
@@OldSoulBallistics84Did you not watch the video?
BTW What ever happened to.22 WSSM for comparison..?!?! Also, the way you’re comparing bullet weights & bullet types. It seems like you are just another person on Hornady’s payroll. All your comparisons are very Similar to Kamala Harris‘s word salads.
Me.. a Hornady shill? That's funny! I'm mostly accused of being a Hornady hater.
What kind of book is that ?
There's not one cartridge recipe in any of these books that i use in any rifle i own. Have to go deeper than copying load data from a book only. Figure out why a bullet does what it does. These books can be and are very misleading.
They are very biased. Real World results will vary a lot
Austin, great video. With Hornady backing the 22 ARC and you were only buying one gun which caliber would you choice? Bolt gun or an AR platform for coyotes and just plunking? Thanks for sharing.
22 ARC seems pretty sweet in a AR
04:00 I can warrant the claim this could kill a deer at 1,000 yards if they are referring to an adolescent female doe of the Coues Deer variety.
22-250 AI is the best test
Squirrels and coyotes can't tell the difference.
Just personal preference
a slightly better wind drift...
ffs
just wasted time to be told they are the same
or may as well be, the same...
Thanks for watching
I might try the little creedmoor, just something to tinker with
It's a cool little round
Too many commenters get a little confused. You can "Compare" any cartridge with another cartridge anytime. That doesn't mean that they will "Equate" or be equal, or be better than another. Bullet designs are either intended for hunting or target/match. That is why there are different cartridge dimensions, powder volume, calibers, cases, primers and manufacturers. This is a good "Comparison".
On thing I don’t think a lot of people consider is the expansion threshold. If the smaller rounds are going so fast they do not expand prior to exiting an animal it greatly reduces the lethality. Thats where BC, Sectional density, velocity and mass really matter. Flat and fast is great but I would rather have slower if that means expansion is maximized for a particular projectile.
well, this is definitely one of your weird comparisons. I don't see how you can conclude anything with a comparison like this.
oh yeah, and its hy-per-bo-le not hyper-bole. just help you out there a little.
Other than saying hyperbole wrong... what issues do you have?
@ReloadingWeatherby there is nothing similar between the two in your comparison.
did you just make this video for the sake of making a video without caring if there was anything valid?
Your exactly right. No big money push for hornady, it's not their baby and they have so much invested in the other cartridges. It's a better paper puncher and maybe ethical whitetail kills out to 200 maybe 300yd, that's its. 22-250 is king of the "red most" for small game and that's what it does well😂
R w the 204 ruger was going to kill the 250 also now its the 204 what?
204 Ruger is hanging on...
It’s a great fox round
@@rosalindstewart7013 I wouldn't say it's a great fox round if your hunting for fur .it's not much better than a 250 for fox. The best round I've found for fox is a 22 hornet but if you reload I think you could make the 204 a great fox gun just load down to about 2600 to 2700 fps and keep your shots at 200 yards range and I think it would be a fur friendly round and still take coyotes at that range
For all u babies. TLDR: Their basically the same but one is standard with a fast twist. Both derived from the same case. Even tho it says otherwise. Its all a 30-06 or 308
I’ve had a mod70 pre war .220swift on the brain few yrs and love to load some see where I could take it…find the old 23gr bullet I think it was ron showed on that vid penetrating armor where .06 wouldn’t….5k fps copper n lead only…
TH-cam police academy has a 10 waiting list. If fact they stopped allowing to just even register. 👍
I have my factory 22-250 with a 7.5 twist barrel. Using twist rate as a comparison only works if factory fast twist only exists for one cartridge
No need for you to get a 22 Creed
@ReloadingWeatherby capability is directly related to powder capacity doesn't the 22-250 have slightly more powder capacity with a 75g bullet loaded?
@@ReloadingWeatherbyyou need to get Little crow gunworks on your channel he seems to have a much better understanding of cartridge comparison than most larger youtubers
@@awsomedude12345678 No, 22 Creed has a bigger case
@@ReloadingWeatherby are you certain because i found so much conflicting data because of the wildcat version. I couldn't be certain
if your going to use hy bullets go to a 257 22-250 50 gr 1/12 twist coy and fox enough said
I have a 250-3000. Pretty decent gun in my opinion
Really enjoyed your video, brother. New subscriber. Thanks for sharing this info. Curious where did you get that Excel PowerPoint showing all the different cartridges where you can plug-in new bullets and BC?
I made it
Hhmmm. Well something else I don’t need but want. I will take it in a ar though.
I love guns, but did we really need another 22?
My brother in Christ, it is hy-per-bol-ee.
It’s impact velocities not energy that determines how a bullet performs. A heavy for caliber 77 TMK, 80 or 88 grain tipped match bullet will kill better than you think having very impressive wound channels. The 53 grain 22-250 in this example is not even in the same class. You can’t use bullets so different in design and function for velocity comparisons at any range. The 22 creed takes all the modern developments of bullets and case design delivering a cartridge is superior for today’s shooter. The 22-250 is and always will be a great varmint round in its original configuration and needs faster twist barrels to do what the 22 creed was designed to do from the beginning.
Let me guess... You hangout on Rokslide? I never claimed energy was important in this video... Horizon was touting the energy. Speaking of velocities... Once you get past 500 yards it won't have the velocity to expand.
Lets be honest. The cartridge has been around longer than you say and has already killed hundreds of deer and predators.
Your indo is incorrect, or you are a 22-250 fanboy. Gun professionals dont agree with you either...
My indo? I'm a 22-250 fanboy? I clearly said the 22 Creedmoor is the better cartridge
@@ReloadingWeatherby you also stated it's not a good dear cartridge AND said it's new. Neither of which is correct.
I would advise doing more research before posting info. There are already tons of vids of clean kills with this cartridge...
@roydunn4649 You clearly hear what you want. I said it was a poor long distance hunting cartridge. That it's not a good 1000 yard deer cartridge.
@@ReloadingWeatherby if anyone is shooting dear at 1K yards... They are highly irresponsible. I practice all year long and really have never shot one at more than 300.
I do know that in the desert here they will shoot 5-700 yds for bigger dear and other game. Brother uses 338 for long range eastern desert
if you want to shoot long range 7mm mag
I'm not going away from my 22 250.....ever. the others are good but il stay the fud way
Thanks for watching
With those velocities you are comparing a 26” barrel 22-250 against a 20” barrel 22 Creedmoor.
24 inch barrel for 22-250 Rem and 24 inch barrel for 22 Creedmoor. Using Hodgdon data for the 22 Creed
I had to stop at 4 min. 🤦🏻♂️ I won’t get those 4 back.
Don't forget the other 4 minutes it took you to type that out
... and barrel life?
Good video
Thanks
Back to the reloading book! lol! Apples to oranges? If you didn’t have the reloading book you wouldn’t know anything!
People enjoy the reloading books Mark. Are you doing okay? You seem angry and miserable
@@ReloadingWeatherby no I’m perfectly fine! I’m just amused!
@@MarktheSharkC Good to hear! Thanks for watching
@@ReloadingWeatherby oh I stop watching when you get the reloading book out and give a thumbs down because you have no ballistics or field testing and I’ll bet you don’t have but one or two Weatherbys! so I’m not watching and I’ve tried to block your nonsense but every once in a while it will have one of your videos on here and then here comes the reloading book. I hope you never try flight lessons because from a flight training book would get plenty people killed by just reading what’s published! Joke! Lolololololol! 😆
Quit deleting my comments! That’s chicken shit!
Creed
With the 22-250, the 50gr V-Max is superior to the 55gr V-Max in every way.
Why is that? I know the numbers, but why is the 55 seemingly so relatively anemic compared to the 50 in the 22-250? Case capacity? It’s only 5 grains of extra bullet.
Nah
@@thelittledetailscr7231 Delusional
@@phild9813 Because the 50gr V-Max is faster, shoots flatter, and has more muzzle energy.
Hi per bo lee 👍
Give Hornady time. They don’t want to squash the 22ARC. I bet they begin to push the 22Creed in a few years. Or just assume it will take off on its own.
Very possible
I don’t understand why they introduced them so close to the same time. I guess they didn’t figure they would have the same market for them.
300 RCM vs 300 WSM!
338 rcm vs… ? 🤔 makes me wonder why 338 rcm didn’t take off its the only 338 short mag. I have one and love it.
Question people, what’s a 300 or 338 RCM, I’m new to all this but enjoying every minute, thanks, cheers Yogi 🤙✌️🇦🇺
@@rosalindstewart7013 RCM= Ruger Compact Magnum. It's was ahead of it's time but is dead cartridge
@@rosalindstewart7013Ruger Compact Magnum. When the Winchester Short Magnum’s came out there was some legal disputes over Ruger chambering their rifles in it so they teamed up with Hornady to make their own version of a 30 caliber short magnum based off the 375 Ruger case like all the PRC cartridges. I don’t know where the idea for 338 RCM came from but despite fading into obscurity it is an excellent cartridge if you want a heavy hitter in a short action. It lands somewhere between 338-06 and 338 win mag performance.
@@Westerner_ thanks for the reply mate cheers Yogi 🤙✌️
Hi per Bo lee
Yeah... I said it wrong
Might sell my .22-250rem to get the 22 creedmoor.
well thats dum-
Thanks for this video, I will stick to 22-250, will not get suckered by what vendors tell me.
Thanks for watching!
I told mom that if I die first, to promise she'll place mine in the ⚰ with me.
Then why didn’t the 6.5 make it?
Sarcasm?
@@ReloadingWeatherby yes
Because plenty of women and some so called men still use it.
Put needmor or PRC after a number and make millions if not billions off fanboys. Hornady marketing has these man bun wearing paper punchers wrapped up. The .243 win and 6mm Remington have been doing this for a long time with 80 grain bullets….
They mention velocities and sometimes energy and BC’s and watch morons go ballistic. Soon we will hear about the .22 needmor owned morons talk about how it’s the ultimate elk caliber….
Soon enough the .177 caliber pellet or BB gun will have a creedmor or PRC after it and be the “ultimate deer caliber” 😂😂😂😂😂
Thank you for some additional information about these cartridges. When as you say, you are comparing apples to other fruits, the only true way to make a "true" comparison, is to start with more boring figures that no one seems to want to bother with. The first item on the side by side list should be a well dimensioned drawing of each cartridge, followed by the volume of each cartridge, expressed in grains of water. This backs up the "size matters" comparison. Another place to make better comparisons, is to use barrels that are equal in length, and twist rate. This would allow comparing the true potential of each cartridge with equal weight bullets from the same box, starting at 50 or 55 grains, handloaded to "equal levels", and repeating the process in increments, as the stock on the dealer's shelves would allow.
Some of the cost of such a project could be reduced by chambering the potentialy shortest cartridge, and collecting the data from this round, and then shortening the breach end of the barrel by a couple threads, and then chambering for the longer case. At this point, accuracy is not a point of discussion, as both of these have proven themselves in that category. Maybe all you are doing is doing your comparisons from is data published by other parties, in order to gather subscribers and revenue from the channel.
It seems that the "Creedmore" label has been used extensively to market publicity, ammo, and componets. If a person was truly wanting to reach out, with no regard for the life of the barrel, the "224 TTT" should fill the bill in a long action rifle. With 90 grain high bc bullets shot from a 6-7 twist barrel of 28" length to allow setting the barrel back after 300-500 rounds, you will create a stir at the range.
First off you are using a max load data for a 53 gr projectile vs a 75. Not even the same class of bullet or design., also didnt even use the same reloading source for both rounds (wtf). 2. lets make it a handload vs handload. I am smoking the dogshit out of my 250 with my creed all day every. Several hundred fps using the same bullet. Im going to go make a video comparing apples to oranges to see which one makes the best hamburger.
Now this is a great comparison.
Thanks for watching!
Would she be good for a black bear???🐻
Not my first choice
Have you seen Greg from primal rights .20primal.? Stuff a .20cal in a creed case and he does the .22 in 6.5prc case which intrigues me…4-5k fps rounds
Sounds cool