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Probably one of the best, most informative, and sincere gun channels on TH-cam!
Well, thanks for that, Nick.
The 22-250 AI is a wonderful cartridge. Love the 60gr. Nosler partition for deer.
Great episode Ron. I own two 22 Ackleys, one with a 25"Pac-Nor barrel on a Sako action and the other with a 26" Hart barrel on a Rem 700 action. Both are capable of sub 1/2" groups when I am having a good day. I killed my first Mule Deer buck with a Rem 788 in 22-250 across a small canyon with a 55 grain Sierra SP. After ten or so minutes looking for a bullet hole, we finally found a .22 caliber hole behind the bucks ear (I was aiming for the lungs) so none the less I put meat on the table. Since then I've killed 3 more deer with a 22-250 and 55 Noslers. All one shot kills from 200-400 yards. All dropped in their tracks. I never get bored with an Ackley.
I also have an 788 AI. Mam oh Man it replaced my 280AI. 22-250 ITS LIKE A BOLT OF LIGHTNING
@Havoc Jones I shoot the 55gr Nosler Ballistic Tips almost exclusively out of my 22-250 and 22-250AI. The 55gr Hornady V-Max's work just as well when I can't get the Noslers. I'm working on a 22 Creedmoor right now that should edge out the 22-250AI and my Swift and all I need to do is neck down 6mm Creedmoor brass.
It's to bad no one can harvest any big game in my state with a .22 caliber round. It must be at least .24 caliber to harvest big game in Colorado.
@@russellkeeling4387 I hear ya, that's too bad. Colorado has some weird regulations for sure.
I’m an Ol’ geezer still hammering deer with my 250 Savage AI
since 88’
Drops EVERYTHING from yotes with an 87gr.Berger to
Deer and speed goats with a 100gr Ballistic tips.
Thx Ron !!9
Good information as usual sir. Thanks for the shout out for John Barsness, his writing is always very fine reading. Have been shooting a .22-250AI since the early '90's but it's the 1:14 twist that we did back then. You are absolutely correct on making it a faster twist if one wants to shoot much heavier than 60gr. I've used it only on coyotes and for that it's an amazing round with a 55gr VMax or Ballistic Tip. Thanks again and stay well.
The worst thing about Barsness is that every time I read his articles I get a strong urge to spend money
I really like these lessons you give on the history of a cartridge. Thank you.
In 1964 and 1965 my best friend used his heavy barrel Rem 700 in 22-250 for deer hunting. He was a consummate “Still hunter” and would ghost through the woods and find deer in their beds or feeding. He would make head or neck shots and drop the animal in its track or bed. He was absolutely deadly with that rifle mounted with a old 8 power inertel scope.
Excellent video Ron. 30 years ago I bought a M-70 Sporter Varmint brand new in 22-250 with the plan of having it reamed to the AI 40 degree version, but after shooting it and recording the velocities I was getting from my particular barrel, I simply never got around to it. This has got me thinking about it once again, though the 1-14" twist would still hold me to 60 gr bullets on the heavy end, but that isn't really a problem as I have other rifles for deer and larger game.
AI versions just aren't worth it. Specialised chamberings rarely are. You get a tiny bit more case volume and subsequently a tiny bit more velocity. For the extra effort and case forming and all the other bother you may as well stick with the original.
@@boingkster The slight increase in performance was one reason why I never got to it because as I stated, I am getting very good speeds from my bbl as is. However, with brass hard to come by these days and the cost of everything rising as it is, it makes the AI version much more attractive since the cases tend to last a bit better.
Absolutely agree I’ve had 7 22.250s but had one turned in a 243 Ai and totally agree about the brass Ron 👍
I guided John and Irene back in the early 2000’s. It was great sitting in the lodge discussing different cartridges and loads I’d seen during my guiding career
I've seen a 22-250 absolutely shut down a 275# feral hog.......with a head shot.
204 ruger would be an interesting discussion on your next awesome video!
It’s the best for coyotes the .204 is I mean 250 is great but tears the fur up with 55 grainers
@@davidcitrowske I totally agree. I got my first .204 over 16 years ago and it's been my favorite fur gun since. My CZ 527 with 26 inch barrel loves the 40 grainers which is great because the 40 grain V-Max at 3950fps has better ballistics and is flatter shooting than the .224 cal 55 grain V-Max at 3700fps. By the time the two reach 500 yards, the energy of the 40 grain .204 is within about 3 percent of the 55 grain from the 22-250. Plus it uses a lot less powder, kicks half as much and has less muzzle blast.
If only P.O. Ackley was involved in the development of all of these cartridges from day 1, we wouldn't have all the confusion and doubles and nuances.
Great video Ron. I cut my teeth on the 22/250 as my first center fire cartridge. Very under rated and especially today when .223 has taken over. Great range of bullet weights today. Many thanks for sharing!
Yes but if you compare 223 and 22-250, there is not a big difference in usage and range with light bullets (only 100yds difference with light bullets). For me this large amount of powder could be interesting to send the heaviest bullets at long range. There's an interesting example of the Australian 4awd channel (search "mark and sam afterwork 22-250")
Nothing beats a 22-250 in my book. Got my 1st deer at 9yrs old, new rifle sighted in and gifted to me by my dad. Only hunted white tails but only missed once and it was running. Longest kill was 350yrds. Dad borrowed it to take a squirrel at 150 (his buddies were ribbing him that he couldn't) Took out both eyes 1st shot. Still have the gun at 65yrs old now, even my son got his first deer with it at 10yrs old. Even biden doesn't have enough money to get it from me. Tried 30-06 once, never again for white tail, too much damaged meat.
Vary good ron I love the fast 22 calibers
Great round the 250 ai I just did exactly what you have 26" 1 in 8 twist for 70 gr gmx. Great info, thanks Ron.
I’ll stick with the 250-3000 savage 99 cannot go wrong , great 👍 videos ❤️❤️❤️🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Great video Ron! Love my 22-250,might need to ponder the AI in the future.
You should!
I bought a second hand 22.250 Remington LH with a carbon fibre stock and a one in nine 24 inch stainless barrel in a 4 profile and fell in love with it in 10 shots. I use it predominantly for fox and rabbit, a great walk around rig with a Simmons 6.5×20×44 on top. Low recoil, decent trigger and a joy to shoot, thanks also on the history of both the 22.250 and the A.I. option. Every day is a school day if you let it, cheers Mick ohman...
That's one of my favorite books when it comes to books about guns. "Why the .308 is great." is probably my favorite chapter. My 22-250 is one of my favorite rifles. I have several favorite rifles because that's the way it should be.
Thankyou Ron
Cheers
Rob
Dammit!!! Now I gotta build a 22-250ai . Thanks for that Ron!. But seriously I love the content you produce mate. I've been looking for a longer range pig and wild dog cartridge here in Australia and was planning a 22 Nosler but I think with the 250ai being able to fireform while still using the rifle is a huge plus for me.
Just ordered that book! Also, recently finished Empire of the Summer Moon. Excellent book. Thanks for the recommendation!
When can I come out for a hunt and discussion over the new cartridges being released over the last couple of years. Particularly the 6mm ARC
Quick note: at around 8:28 your charts. The top of the .22-250 says 55gr and the top of the .22-250AI has 65gr. Whether that affects the rest of your numbers, I don't know.
It's obviously a typo, the BC numbers listed are the same and he said he was using the same 55gr Vmax on both.
@@goory93 Yep, I saw that, too. I figured it was a typo, just pointing it out and making sure.
It looks like it affected the energy.
Thank you for some great information. Always interesting.
Another well done videos Mr Spomer 👍👍👍
Aww, is that an English Setter? I've had 4 of them and they are so sweet and loving, and also excellent alerting to anything out in the yard that's not supposed to be there as well.
The AI chart says 65gr. Did I read that wrong? Thanks for the information. I shot a Muley with a .250-3000 in a borrowed model 99 savage. Dropped the deer like a rock. Nice cartridge.
By far my favorite. Has no problems drilling holes in 1/4" steel plate. I used it in a sniper match and it got outlawed the next year because I ruined so much range steel. Not intentional, but we all found out the hard way.......
i found that by coating the projectiles i use in my 22-250AI with HBN powder that helps with copper fowling i get almost none and it also seams to be helping with barrel life it also ended up increasing the speed with 55gr projectiles doing a shade over 4000 fps from 28" polygonal rifled barrel from pac-nor and 60gr ones doing around 3700 fps. I also found that AR2209 powder (H4350 in the USA) worked a bit better that AR2208 (varget in the USA)
Thanks Ron
Much respect -- the history of the cartridges which stick around is always so interesting. I do have one follow-up; as a shooter with no personal history with either 22-250, or with handloading, is there a meaningful gain in making the customizations for the 22-250 AI over simply following the hype for the 224 Valkyrie? At least on paper, they seem to fill the same niche, but the latter having big-company support. Just curious if you'd ever considered the two side-by-side. Best,
Depends what you want it to do. The valk gets crushed by the AI if you want top end speed and performance. But not gonna work in an AR or have the big company support, as you mention.
I've recently built up my dad's old 22-250 and got 1-4 inch groups with factory ammo, and 1/2 in with handloads that were 30 years old. I haven't seen factory ammo in 223 or 22-250 that impressed me that was reasonably affordable
All this to say imo get the 22-250 and se handloading gear and you won't regret it
I grew up and still live in rural Ohio and surrounded by farms. There are pig, dairy, beef, sheep and grain only farms within 3 miles of me. When I was around 10 years old I started hearing the older (In their 30s) hunters that my dad worked with in the "Oil Patch" talk about the 22-250 and "Bustin hogs" out to 400 yards.
These guys/coworkers would come by our house almost every Saturday to have a few beers and I would sit with the guys at our picnic table in our side yard and right by our upper pasture. Every guy, and I mean 10 out of the 10 guys that would stop by all bragged about their old 22-250s or their brand new Remington 700 BDL in 22-250 and as long as I ran and "Fetched" the beer from our garage fridge I was allowed to sit at the table for all kind of talks on all subject, some subjects probably a little more than a 10 year old should hear but my dad didn't believe in sheltering his kids
When I turned 11 this all repeated in the summer time. This year I was going to ask questions and the questions I would always ask was about hunting and the 22-250 which come to find out was such a popular caliber that it should have been named as the community caliber because everyone had a rifle in 22-250 ...except my dad who would ride and die with his 222 Remington and/or his 22 Hornet.
One of my dad's friends stopped by and this guy had 9 rifles, ALL chambered for 22-250. I was asking him so many questions and finally asked "How big is the whole bullet?" (I didn't know proper English at 11 years old) so this guy got up, went to his truck, walked back over and handed me the cartridge and told me that I could keep it and to me this was a big deal and started my love fr the 22-250. A few weeks after getting my prized bullet this same guy stopped by around 11 AM and asked my dad if it would be ok to take me to a few fields to shoot "Whistle Pigs" My dad said yes, I can go with Paul and hearing those words I broke into a huge smile .... for about 15 seconds when my dad told Paul "Don't let the kid shoot your rifle because I don't want to have to replace it if the boy breaks something"
Paul told my dad "Oh yeh, the boy is to young to try and hammer hogs at 300 to 400 yards and he won't be able to find the damn target in my scope" and with those words my head looked down at the ground. Paul and I pulled out of our driveway and 20 seconds after us being on the main road and after Paul hit 4th gear Paul looked at me and asked me "Do you think you can shoot his custom made rifle without breaking it?" and within 3 seconds I replied YES!
Paul replied with "Well let's see if you can" Paul also said "Change of plans boy" and after that he drove the 2 minute trip to his house and I sat in the truck. Paul came out a few minutes later with three 1 gallon milk jugs filled with water, put them on his patio table and yelled "Hey, get out of the truck and run these jugs of water up to a large hump of dirt and place two of the jugs 1 to 2 feet away from each other and take the third jug out to the end of the pasture and put this jug at the very edge of the woods because you (Me) gotta earn the bullets"
I took to this task and fast walked the heavy jugs out to the 200 and 400 yard spots just as I was told but my youth, being 11 years old made the 200 and 400 yard jaunt feel like 20 miles from Paul's house but I did NOT care.
Paul laid some homemade sand bags, that were filled with rice, on top of his patio table and said that he was going to shoot one of the jugs at 200 yard mark. Before Paul shot he told me to watch the gun and nothing else because he wanted me to know that the recoil isn't going to hurt me. I thought this was unnecessary but I did what I was told.
The rifle cracked off and I watched the gun and immediately turned my head to the right, just in time to see a jug explode and water fly everywhere. Now it was my turn. It took me forever to find the remaining milk jug in the 12 power scope. When I saw the jug I held the rifle as still as I could which wasn't good because I could see the jug wavering from left to right back left etc
Paul then taught me how to squeeze the sandbags to raise or lower the crosshair, after this small lesson I settled down and pulled the trigger. I lost the target at the shot but looked up in time to see the jug still unscathed.
It took me 3 shots to hit that jug at the very bottom and took me another 5 rounds and misses at the 400 yard jug. After my 5th miss I blurted out "The jug must be too far away! Paul said "Here, give me the rifle and I will show you that it is possible to hit something that far away" and by God he did just that
After me wasting Paul's ammo and me apologizing for wasting his bullets Paul said "Here, come in the house I want to show you something" What Paul had to show me was his reloading room, which was big and had shelves filled with gun powder ranging from a 1 Lb to an 8 Lb keg, boxes and good sized boxes of bullets and big cardboard boxes filled with empty brass and already primed.
After the lessons and fun I had that day I constantly bugged my dad to get a rifle in 22-250groundhogs and crows on the ground so that I could walk around in the bottoms to shoot and each time I brought up getting a new rifle in 22-250 my dad would answer with "No, if you want to shoot ground hogs past 50 yards then use the 22 Hornet so stop bugging me or buy your own rifle"
At age 16 I did just that. I saved the occasional "Pay Day" that I would sometime get from dad for doing things around here like taking care of the horses and other stuff. I also saved money from mowing 3 different lawns, which were jobs thay my dad got me and I bought my very own, and first centerfire rifle in 22-250 and my first centerfire was a used Remington 700 ADL that I bought from Paul
I am now 62 years old and fighting cancer and I have a few rifles chambered in 22-250 with my prized rifle being a Parker-Hale that I bought in 1986. I also have an old custom made rifle that was a Mauser from over seas and also was made right after WW II in 250 Savage that was my wife's grandpa's rifle that he brought back from WW II and had "Sporterized" and this rifle has a great chunk of wood for the stock this piece of wood looks exactly the same as a Remington 700 BDL stock. My story above is exactly how kids develop a love for hunting and love for all firearms
I do love the 22-250 cartridge and will pass all of my firearms down to my 2 boys that are 32 and 29 years old. My youngest son has just developed a hobby of coyote hnting. My youngest told me that he doesn't want to use any of my 22-250s but wants his own riffle in 22 Creedmore and asked to keep my eyes open for a rifle and ammo in 22 Creedmore IF the rifle ever becomes available because he said he has yet to see a 22 Creedmore anything because this is the caliber that he wants for coyotes and crows
I know that my two daughters in law get made at me each time one, or both of my sons come home and walk through the door with a new firearm. I tell "Don't blame me, blame your mother in law because she never stopped me from getting my two sons addicted to firearms, hunting and reloading. The girls just laugh at me as they aren't very mad at me in actuality
NOW, to keep my eyes open IF and when the 22 Creedmore pops up for us " Gun Owning Low Life Peons" to actually buy
Great video. Every one that I have watched of yours was informative and articulate. Thank you for putting in the work and making the video.
Been shooting a fast twist (1-8") 22-250AI since 2003. Eighteen years and three new barrels later I wouldn't trade it for any other varmint cartridge out there. With an 80gr ELD-M bullet I'm getting just shy of 3400fps from a 26" barrel which equates to just 20.0 MOA (5.8 MIL) of drop @ 1,000yds from a 200yd zero. Still shoots the more "traditional" weight bullets just fine as well making it one of the most versatile rifles I own. Shorter range varmints - load up some 50-55gr bullets. Going after deer or hogs - load up a 65gr SGK. Planning on some long-range woodchuck or prairie dog fun - load up some sleek 75-80gr high BC bullets.
My dad traded a old little plow for a Remington 700 in 22-250 over 30 years ago and that rifle put more food on the table then any other rifle we have. It was the rifle I shot my first deer with and every single one since. It will drop deer where they stand with a neck shot which is a must in the south Texas brush Cuntry where you will end up crawling throw the thorns if you have to track a deer.
Great video Ron. Thank you
Good day Ron, Love the program. I have learned a ton from your channel! I was wondering if you could do a review of the 264 Win Mag cartridge ?
Wicked good cartridge, but a notorious barrel burner. I could be wrong about this, but I believe that most of the factory 264 WM rifles back in the day were made for lighter .264 bullets. IE; slower twist and and shorter throat than something like a 6.5X55.
You know your stuff!
It's not only the hand trimming with a manual hand trimmer that makes thing tedious. Don't forget the deburring the outside and the inside of the case mouth after the trimming, which adds two more steps in the case prepping process.
You may not have to trim AI as often…. But fire forming is a pain in the ass
The 22 250. Should. Never be underestimated. For. Killing deer. With. Good. Bullets. At. Reasonable. Ranges. Same. As the. 220. Swift.
Thank. You. For. That.
@@luvtahandload7692 LOL He really likes periods.....
Swap out the periods with 👏
I’m riding with you on that. The first rifle I ever shot was my dads .220 swift. I was 5 years old and it scared the heck out of me. I would like to add one to my collection.
22-250 👍👍 Thanks Ron;;, 👍👍
That little hot rod is a real performer! IMHO any case with substantial body taper and shallow shoulder should be redesigned to modern case design. My reason is just as Ron stated. Tedious case prep time is substantially reduced between reloading of cartridges. I own several improved cartridges just for that reason, plus a bit of extra velocity potential is money in the bank so to speak. Also, I prefer medium heavy, to heavy for caliber bullets, so the added powder space benefits the cartridge across all bullet weight ranges. Just my $.02
Great explanation ron,,,
Was waiting for the. 225 win, was supposed to replace the. 220 swift,,,BUT...22-250, pushed the 225,in the trash heap.
Thanks Stephen. Yes, the 225 Win., despite its near 22-250 speed, flopped. It was supposed to replace the dying 220 Swift, yet not be so infamously hard on barrels. Alas, it came out when the post '64 M70 was replacing the "real" M70, so that worked against it. And its semi-rimmed case probably didn't help. Finally, two years later Remington introduced the 22-250 as a commercial round. Bye bye 225.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors hello Mr Spomer,
I must say I am super impressed at you reply back to little old me in this big world I really like your videos I especially like the Cracker Barrel style discussion and the knowledge base you have now as it refers to the 220 Swift I know to some people it's going to sound like heresy I was never really too fond of such a large round with a rim on it in a bolt-action rifle I like the round much better for what JD Jones of ssk Industries back in the day did with that round as Wildcatter just wanted to give you a big thank you for getting back with me kind of a pleasant surprise also know you have a very large fan base out here thanks for all your hard work
Run I worked with a fellow that was from Dixie Idaho, he would hunt elk with A 22-250 head shoot them within a 100 yards and there was no tracking the animal.
Great info as always, thank you sir.
I really like my 22-250 AI. I haven't seen the enormous velocity gains that are "promised".... However I have seen increased brass life and reduced stretching at the neck. If you are buying one as a Target cartridge or GOD FORBID a deer cartridge, you'd be better off with a faster twist barrel. About 1-8" is a sweet spot. If you're buying one as a varmint rig (22-250) you're all set on barrel twist.
Hey Ron, everyone is comparing one bullets ballistics to another, but no one is talking about the effects elevation or temperature. It would be great to see an episode on the this. Cheers.
I did this video on cold effects on trajectory: th-cam.com/video/nA8fwq_n2mU/w-d-xo.html
Good stuff. Thanks!
I assume the 22 Creedmoor is the 6.5 or 6 mm Creedmoor necked to 224. If this is so compare the case measurements between it and the 22-250 AI. You will find them very close. Not really enough to say there is a difference.
With modern powders and similar pressures they are virtually identified.
I'm a 250 Savage fan. The same applies with this cartridge, with modern powders it can out do it's performance by a large amount, AI it and it gains even more.
You are correct it’s a 6CM necked down to 224. I have one and it’s very simple no fire forming and it’s faster and more efficient.
My 35 year old Remington 700 BDL with 24 inch heavy barrel in .22-250 is my go to varmint rifle. Maybe that's because Remington called it the Varmint Special. On a good day, I could use it to light matches at 100 yards.
Had the same in 243 Win.
Could you please tell me what the barrel twist is on a Remington 788 is which I purchased in 1967/68. I've used it mainly for goats up to 300/400 meters. Fitted with a 3 to 9 scope set at 55 mm high at a 100 meters. It has proved to be a very accurate rifle.
Good stuff. I may be a ballistics dweeb. Ok, I am. Lol. Thoroughly enjoy your videos. Thanks for the upload.
I'm in the process of getting an AI built right now with a 1:8 twist barrel I have a pretty good feeling it's going to be a freakin hammer and a deers worst nightmare!!! LOL
I had my Tikka rebarrelled in 1979 from standard 22-250 to 22-50 AI, the first thing i noticed is rounds didn't feed from the magazine as well anymore and i could only fit 4 rounds in my 5 round mag, not a big deal.
I used this round on Goats foxes wild cats crows and the odd pig, i went with a 12 twist to shoot the 60 gr nosler which was a 1/2 inch load. today that tikka has a nicely beded A5 stock Lilja heavy barrel chambered in 220 AI, i can hand load 55 gr to 4050 fps approx and 60 gr to 3850, its still a 1/2 inch performer.
Can you do the .257 Roberts or .284 Winchester mag?
Only downside to using them for open plains 200+yds hunting shots is the wind drift, and that’s a big reason for me on picking something a little larger with a better SD and BC.
If you have a 22-250 AI with a 1:8 twist barrel, you can shoot 500+bc bullets.
Your ballistic charts were comparing the 22-250 with a 55 grain bullet at 3700 fps and the 22-250IA listed a 65 grain bullet at 3800 fps, if you didn't notice.
It's obviously a typo, the BC numbers listed are the same and he said he was using the same 55gr Vmax on both.
Got a 1941 mod 70 win in 22 varminter cal with a J.E.Gibby heavy barrel 1-14 twist.. 39.5gr of varget under 40gr Nos Bt.
For a second there I thought to myself , “wait wait Newton created what?” Hahaha wrong Newton!
The 22-250 is just a blast ,absolutely love the round. Wish I can find it in an AR platform.
Same such a good round it's the only hunting around I actually like Because it's so fast wich I see as advanced as small and light bullets are the future
I know it’s been a year, but I’m catching up. Just got my 1/7 22-250 back. Now I gotta get it AI’d.
Please same video for 6mm caliber 240wby , 240win , 6mm creedmoor and 6mm remington thanks
220 swift is one of my favorite. 22 calibers along with the 225win. And 22-250 also 222
Savage needs to bring out a .24 Savage. 250-3000 Savage necked down to .244 or 6mm. Give it the old Ackley Improved treatment straight from the factory. This is of course the 6xc wildcat that has been winning across the course compititions for years, but Savage has provenance and the 6xc is still a wildcat. This cartridge will give you 3000+ with the 108 grainers in a more compact cartridge than the .243. And, it's just cool.
Hi Ron, what are your thoughts on the 22-284 wildcat cartridge? It allows shooting heavier 75gr+ long high BC bullets faster and with more energy thus it is more ethical on deer size game.
If I put 1:8 rifling twist barrel on my 22-250 will I still be able to shoot 50 to 55 grain bullets in a 1:8 twist barrel?
You should do a comparison of the 250-3000 and the 250-3000AI
Just my exerience with the .223 on roe deer. First of all for those who dont know they are a relatively small species of deer, 30kg for a real big buck. I like to shoot them broad side behind the front leg. No shoulder, no spine none of that. Just lungs and heart. While they run about as far as if i shot them with a bigger caliber they just dont bleed. Something like a 7x65R leaves a really big exit hole and they bleed buckets and that makes them really easy to find. The .223 makes an entry hole that is tiny and does not bleed at all in my experience and on the exit side the bullet lost so much velocity the wound just closes right up too.
I know several guys that kill caribou with no problem with a .223/5.56 up here. Not the best choice in many peoples mind, but it works.
Hi do a video on 22/250 twist rates as you 14 ,12 .10 .9 and 8 and your opinion on merits of each great video 👍👍
Assuming there is a type-o in the AI ballistics chart. at first said only 100 fps added fir AI but 65 gr bullet but then noticed BC was same as 55?
I have a load development with a standard 22-250 Remington case that I’m achieving 4167 ft./s 😁😎
The 22-250 has fantastic potential and I know there are rifles out there chambered for it that are exceptionally accurate. The ones I have handled though have shot at best about 1.5 MOA which is still plenty to give a coyote a real bad day. I'd like to find a better shooter
I’m thinking about building the new kid on the block. Peterson makes 22 creedmoor cases with small rifle primer pockets. I’m thinking about shooting 88gr hammers in a 1-6.5 20” barrel.
You will not need a 1:6.5 you can get away with a 1:7 or 1:7.5 even. I have a 1:7 and shoot them and I have a 1:8 and shoot 75s.
@@johnathanreckrodt2937 good to know. I ended up building a 6xc with small primer pockets. 1/7 twist. The barrel comes tomorrow so we’ll see how good my 101 hammer hunters shoot!
I have a question boxing day, December 26th, 2022.
If I am out hunting , Range find my deer at 400 yards using my
.243 Winchester with a 100 grain bullet, sucessfully makes a clean kill shot. ( deer is approx 200 pounds before field dressing ). The next day basically same kind of scenario, however different.
I take my Winchester 22-250
with a 50 grain bullet, range find my deer at about 100 yards, weight estimate at 200 pounds, before field dressing.
Please explain the significant
differences between the two. Thanking you so much in advance for a reply.
Hi Ron this one mite get too u the 2208 power I use it as its a very fast burning power on as 55 gn with 36grn of power works very well Ron just letting u now ok ian
Try the Speer Gold Dot 75gr bullets. They're devastating on deer sized game.
Ron your charts was not the same bullet weights. May have been a misprint. AI was 65 gr. ?
I'm shocked you didn't cover the 221 fireball, its kind of the little brother of the 222 or that what I understand any way.
Since the Creedmoor case is based on the 30 TC (Thompson Center), which itself was a variation on the 300 Savage (necked up 250 Savage) case; can you do a video showing the differences and similarities between you 22-250 AI and a 22 Creedmoor?
The 22 Creedmoor is slightly a better cartridge.
@@johnathanreckrodt2937 can you explain, because I don't see that!?
Really the only advantage of the 22 CM is the twist rate of the barrel which has nothing to do with the cartridge. The SAAMI Spec 62,000 psi is 5000 psi lower then the 22-250's 67,000 psi and it uses more powder. If you re-barrel a 22-250 with a 1:7 twist it will do everything the 22 CM does.
@@fabulousoffroaddesigns5080 the 22CM has slightly better case capacity and you don’t have to fire form it there for it’s a better cartridge to me. Better numbers and less work. Saves barrel life also not having to fire form it.
@@johnathanreckrodt2937 yes but if you just shot a regular 22-250 Remington you would only lose about 150 fps but you would gain almost 50 extra rounds out of every pound of powder. It is much more economical to shoot and a coyote won't know the difference.
@@fabulousoffroaddesigns5080 if that’s the case just use a 223 or 204. 204 ballistically is superior to the 22-250. The whole reason behind the 250AI and the 22CM is to have longer range and flatter shooting. The regular 22-250 simply doesn’t have that at longer distances.
Hey Ron I've considered going to a faster twist on my M77 22-250 so it was good to hear you mention that, but wouldn't that knock out my lower end bullet choices such as say the 50 or 55gr? I'd like to shoot say 50-70gr range bullets so would I want a 1/10 or what? My thought was when i switched to that faster twist i would also go with a longer barrel say least 26" to gain that extra bit of velocity for pushing those heavier bullets.
Just food for thought, I have good accuracy from my 12" twist barrel with Sierra 65gr SBT's. Just like you said, a 10" twist barrel would be very interesting to me, especially with the 22-250 where the additional velocity over the 223 will stabilize bullets with a slower twist barrel than is needed with the 223.
What is the benefit of a fast twist 22-250 (normal or AI) over a 224 Valkyrie, both with heavy bullets?
Case volume, more powder= go faster, less flight time, less time for external factors such as wind to move the projectile. Also more energy at the same range.
Ron in your first chart, said you are comparing the same bullet, but the chart is showing a 55 grain bullet in the 22-250, but a 65 grain bullet in the 25-250 AI. Did I missed something?
No Mike, I missed something. Got in a hurry to finish the video before I had to leave on a deer hunt. Data is skewed.
Your program is very interesting. I have a .222 magnum rifle that has very few rounds left. Does anyone still make .222 magnum round? The rifle is chambered for .222 magnum.
Nosler has been, but its out of stock. Herters has it on their custom ammo list, they have a good selection of bullets they load. About $ 40 a box of 20... I'm down to my last box. I suggest getting a vintage lee loader for .222mag if you only need a box or to. Saw 3 listed on eBay.
I really like your videos and your channel! I also have a channel primarily about Rifle cartridges. Hopeful Remnant. I’m just getting started and don’t have the knowledge you do, but it’s fun and interesting to talk about cartridges
Good luck with your channel, sir.
Mauser had fast twist way back .
My hunting buddy uses 22-250on deer with great success. It amazed me at first.
The Swift is hell on gun barrels. I remember a story about a guy taking down a grizzly with a 250. If true he has big ones, story said bear dropped in his tracks. When cleaning bear they found a hole in one rib and like a hand grenade went off in his heart, Believe what you want, I think it was an outdoor magazine,
On your chart it says the 22-250 is 55 grains and the 22-250 AI says 65 grains. Did you mean that they ere the same, or was the chart wrong?
That AI cartridge looks pretty sweet! I hand load, so it would be fun to get a less popular cartridge like that and load for it!🇺🇲✝️🇺🇲
I have tikka t3x lite in 22-250 with 1 in 8 twist looking to rebarrel cor 22-250 ackley. Shoots 77 lrx lights out
@Terry Thompson i have loaded some 80 eldms those shoot great 👍
Just have it reamed to a 22 Creedmoor that’s what I did to my dads T3X there is no fire forming with the 22 Creedmoor.
You also don’t have to rebarrel for either the 22CM or 22-250AI you just have to have a smith ream the chamber.
@@johnathanreckrodt2937 only reason why i want to rebarrel is i want to put a m40 profile barrel on it
@@johnathanreckrodt2937 i dont mind the fire forming i have about 10k 22-250 hornady brass i got great bulk deal on. 7k is brand new and ready to be annealed. Gives me something to do.
With the straight walls on the 22 250 AI case, would this make the cartridge feed reliably in AR 10 magazine?
Inside of 100yards 223 62grain with GOOD bullets shoot a hole through n through white tail just like a 270 win
So I can only imagine the benefits of 22 250 ai with tough 75 grain bullets
Those AI cartridges are well thought out
I have never lost a deer shooting the 22-250 it does more damage than my 270 or 30-06 seem to do. Deer can’t go without a heart or lungs so if you hit them with anything they die. The thing can go like 400 yards without having to worry about drop it’s easy to shoot and fun to shoot. Recoil is nothing for younger shooter or women I even put a break on one and anyone can shoot it accurately. Also they make some great bullets now the partitions are solid for deer.
AI chambers and fire formed brass as far as I'm concerned is worth while just to screw with those guys that like to scoop up your brass when you are not looking!
How about your AR-15 spitting out AI brass!
Good luck using it!
I missed a doe at 77 yds WITH a head shot ( doe day ), follow up shot schwacked it
I walk out there and as I approach the deer, I glance up at a 5-6" oak.
UTTERLY DESTROYED . 3/4" hole in
Blistered destruction in backside. A live tree. Strung like spaghetti. 22-250 under 100 yds destroying
The 22 Creedmoor is fastest and easier to do as it doesn’t require any fire forming at all.
could you please do a video on AL cartridges and the 6.5PRS , 300PRC ect