Loooove my 2019 ram 2500 with the 6.4 hemi. This is my third ram with the 6.4 hemi. I towing 6 days a week and 100,000 miles on my first on and 80,000k on my second, and they never let me down. And the 2019 with the new 8 speed and a 4.10 tows better than ever!
What kind of mileage do you get towing with the new truck? I’m guessing after the truck is broken in and if your not at high altitudes you do a bit better than the 9.4 mpg they got.
Second Amendment around 9-10mpg but that’s with a 14-15k lbs dump trailer sometimes as low as 8mpg if there are a lot of hills. With my 16ft box trailer “about 7000lbs loaded” I get 12-13mpg. It’s not exactly stellar but a decent improvement over my 2016 with the old six speed Edit: I’m also running 35in tires now
I have the 2019 2500 Tradesman. I got it to pull my 10k lb fifthwheel. I get about 9 mpg with it. I couldn't be more happier with it. Other than the down shifting up hills, I can barely tell im towing with it most of the time..
I have to say The Ram HD trucks do look the best for HD trucks go. Also want to thank Andre for Making a Video while on Vacation what a Dedicated Dude.
I’ve worked with all trucks. The slight power increase between 5.7& 6.4 on paper is bullshit. The 6.4 is a beast for towing. With a moderate tune, u got a monster. Talk to people who work with these trucks, never mind what manu’s print on paper!
With only 2500 odd miles on the clock I would guess the truck is not even properly run in yet (engine, drivetrain etc) so I expect a better fuel consumption after adding another 10k miles on the unit.
Actually, you're more right than you know. Most people, me included, experienced what was like a light switch being turned on at 10k-15k miles, that woke up the engine and transmission.
I have noticed a fuel mileage difference between 87 octane and 89 octane, anywhere from 1 to 3 mpg depending on how much highway driving. 5.7 hemi 3.25 rears Lonestar 1500 12 city 24 hwy not towing.
RT Molinari I get 14-15mpg in tow, 17-19 highway. 9-11mpg towing depending on what. 2019 2500 bighorn 6.4hemi. 4.10 axle. Just upgraded to 35x12.50x18 tires. Lost about 0.5mpg avg
Mike Hunt thanks a lot Mike that’s exactly what I wanted to know. Do you thinks it’s weird my new 2020 bighorn ram 1500 4x4 gets 11mpg city? I’m supposed to get at least 15 according to sticker but I’m assuming it’s because it is brand new and hasn’t broken in yet?
@@amolinari9 thats a possibility, you should see an improvment after 3,000+ miles. But there is alot that goes into your mpg. Altitude, traffiv, how you drive, where you drive, gearing, truck build and weight even after break in can depend on HOW WELL you broke it in. Theres alot to it. But i dont inverst alot of faith in the advertised mpg. Its may be close to what you get but it be north or south of it by far. My best advice is if you travel long distance and need to squeeze out every mile just take it easy on the throttle and dont speed. If thats not the case and your not towing much. Worry more about smiles per gallon and not miles per gallon
Great video! This brought back so many memories of going over wolf Creek pass traveling back and forth from home in Colorado springs to fort Lewis college. Some advice for you from a native Florida boy and an avid boater,,, change that front cross member on that trailer. When you start to see the rust forming on the outside of the fully boxed cross member, it's already too late, the rust inside is far worse. I've had them fail while driving and it's no fun.
Total CAT scale on my 2018 6.4 pulling my Flagstaff V-Lite is 17,100 from southern Indiana to Oklahoma, DFW, Austin, Arkansaw back through Kentecky averaging 9.1. This is consistant over three similar trips. Great truck and milage.
Here's a question. What do you do at 2:28 in this video? Why, fast forward to 3:48 of course. To be fair, I don't mind youtube ads, but I hate cheesy in video product placement. Never seen any product advertised this way that wasn't a scam, or outright junk.
Why don’t you do something like this with all the trucks? Would’ve loved to see the 2020 Silverado HD done with something actually realistic for the average tower.
They usually do do a towing MPG loop on most of the trucks that come out. It's usually a ~100 mile test loop and not a ski trip like this, but it gives you similar data.
@@ALMX5DP - Ok, everything from the tires up to where the frame meets the body is beefier. Makes towing any weight more relaxed, confident, less fatiguing on trips like Andre did vs. a half ton. The chassis is what makes the difference. I guess it is something that you need to experience in person.
Andre maybe you can confirm what I was told. When I bought my 2014 Ram 2500 6.4L (yes 2014) I was told to take it easy the first 4-5000miles as not to hot-dog and break a new motor. When I took ownership I went from a 1999 Durango with 5.9L Magnum so this felt like a big truck (also a megacab) but it did feel like it had slightly less 'pep' than a similar one I test drove before having this one built for me. I remembered back to what my dealership told me about the 5000 mile engine break in claim and I'll be darn if I wasn't on a road trip when it rolled over - and somewhere around 5000-5100 I noticed it was significantly more responsive. Granted, I'm recalling this from 6 years ago BUT its the same engine (albiet with the 6-speed trans at the time) but every time I watch videos on this engine (new and old trans) and hear the lackluster performance, I wonder...how many miles are on the truck when its being tested - IF - that claim is true. Have you heard anything about this from RAM - or have any thoughts on the matter? Its always bugged me hearing the negativity about the engine when I'm satisfied with mine. I don't heavy tow often, couldn't justify the $$$ for the Cummins, but I feel folks aren't giving it a fair shake if this claim is true. What I do respect is you guys are the first I ever watched, that flat-out stated when a manufacturer posts MAX TOW numbers, its on a specific truck with specific features and unless you have that truck, you have to account for the differences. A 3500 reg cab, diesel work truck will not have the same tow rating as a 3500 crew cab gas engine. I highly respect the fact you point this out where many review sites don't. Thanks for all the information from many years ago and keep up the great work - all of you!
Manufacturers put limitations in the computer nowadays, so you can't abuse the warranty or ruin their reputation out of ignorance. Furthermore, if they didn't you would have shitty vehicle because of all the dealership guys who like to hot rod new vehicles when they go to grab lunch for everybody. Ask me how i know. Any break in periods for anything non performance related (NON-SRT), is usually transmission related these days, not so much engine wise.
Me and Earl was hauling chickens, on a flat bed out of Wiggins, And we’d spent all night on the uphill side of 37 miles of hell they call wolf creek pass. That’s up on the great divide
My 2014 RAM 3500 with the 6.4L and 4.10 gears would get 10 - 11 MPG towing a 7000 pound travel trailer, 4 people, and a bed full of gear. Of course, I used the CORRECT grade of fuel. The fuel economy results frustrates me a little since the truck is not operating in an optimal state by using low grade fuel. Yes, altitude has an affect here but 86 octane is still too low at their altitude for a vehicle that recommends 89 or higher grade fuel. It will work fine in place of 87 octane at higher altitude but I can't help think that truck would have done better to use a slightly higher octane fuel. Maybe try the same loop again but with the recommended fuel. It would be interesting to see if it really does have an impact on fuel economy.
I own a 2020 sierra 1500 Duramax. If I was going to buy a Heavy Duty I probably would go for a Ram... I just feel like Ram has the best looking Heavy Duty... always has... Maybe the late 90's, early 2000's with the 7.3 Ford? Still Great
Those 6.4's love fuel, no doubt about that. That being said a simple custom tune can unleash the 6.4 in the Ram. More power, more torque and better fuel efficiency.
The 392 barely gets 10 without anything behind it. Personally I love my 2018 Power Wagon because even when you put a lot of weight behind it the mpg doesn't really drop. it's just always bad. But it will pull anything you want it to with relative ease.
@@hellkitty1014 Yeah I agree. But the motor is the same except it has the 6 speed auto which even it is a really nice transmission. Not nearly as good as the 8 speed that our 1500 has but It's still really nice. I was just making a statement about the motor anyway. Which my point still stands, it will pull a shit ton and no matter what you put behind it the MPG barely drops.
You will also not get sparknok with 89 octane gas. I love my 19 ram 2500 6.4. Is so much better than my 15 2500 6.4, the 8 speed definitely is better than the 6 was. Ram needs to bump the power to 430 to 450 though. We know the 6.4 can produce 485 in a Durango or charger, give us gas guys more RAM.
Disconnecting the trailer electrical is not needed for the electric brakes, they work on magnets activated by current (No 'exposed' current anywhere). If anything it would be for the lights if they are not sealed units.
Todd Gibbs at elevation, all fuel grades are decreased in states like Colorado due to difference in performance of elevation. Where low level states have 87 as the low grade, we have 85, where states have 89 we have 87. The manual only recommends a fuel grade in this case, it is not a requirement. Many vehicles in Colorado that are high mileage that have been run this way...
@@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix even with a fuel injected engine? 🤔 it wont affect it as much as you think. Power will be down, but until you reach the point where you dont have enough pwr due to drag it will be fine. If anything there is less wind resistance on the 'rig' as the air is thinner.
Huge difference between towing a 6,000 lb boat and a 6,000 lb trailer. One is designed to cut through fluids easily (fluid dynamics, air is a fluid) the other has a frontal area of a barn ;-)
Great video... I’d like to see a channel testing vehicles like this and doing more long distance reviews. Just about any vehicle is great around town, but how does it feel after 6 or 10 hours behind the wheel? Real world application is key to a great buying decision. This is a very similar result to what I saw towing a very loaded 6x12 enclosed Uhaul trailer in a 2018 Ram 2500 crew cab 4x4 when moving from MI to CT( 750 miles.) Unlike your experience, my hemi powered Ram was gutless on the hills. Must be the 8 speed improves the towing experience. Several weeks later I was able to replicate the trip with the diesel and saw 16 mpg with a similar weight load and same trailer set up on the same route.
Not very impressive MPG. You might find this funny but when I fish in South Dakota I have towed in a few boats that have ran out of gas, enough that I started carrying a small gas can in the back of my boat fishing because it takes forever towing a boat in its mush easer giving them a couple gallons of gas. It ruins a day fishing but one can not leave someone stranded as I believe in Karma. What did the Trail Boss do ?
I keep waiting for Andre to say this is the truck I've finally decided to replace my h2. I'm betting he'll go with a 3/4 ton over the half tons again. Great video Andre, i'm sure your family enjoyed the time away from home!
Nice video, even though I tow a 5500 travel trailer a few times a year with an 09 Avalanche, I just recently saw a dealer in my area with several 2020 Ram 2500’s crew cabs marked-down to 33,400. Although they are only 2wd and have an 8foot bed, they are worth a test drive.
I would love to see some of the same content TFL does so well but with normal HUMAN elevations. Most of us will never go up over 6k more than just very rarely and vehicles perform so much differently in normally driven altitudes then these guys live in.
I sold my 2500 Laramie 6.4 for a Tradesman 6.7 diesel for #1 the Hemi at 100K miles will be worth about less than 40% of new MSRP. #2 limited payload and towing for a 5th wheel (weak payload was rated at 3K but snagged badly at 3K) #3 have seen 6.4 engine have many top end engine problems with cam phasers and valve train - even new engines at 30K miles. 2020 Ram 3500 diesel is more expensive to own for sure but - # rated for 4500 pounds payload and 20k towing. #2 at 100k miles will have +60% value still of MSRP (holds value for resale better than gas engine #3 drive ability when towing is way better and MPG both loaded and unloaded is better than gas. The diesel truck will appeal to resale market much better than a 3/4 ton gas truck.
The power convex is only required on the ram(fliping the mirror). Im on my third super duty and once the convex is set it stays there(unless someone touched it). Still take the diesel option my current 2019 6.7L poweratroke is just over 12 mpg with my 35ft 10k(13'2" tall) rv.
Either your full of crap or extremely over weight. Plus 3/4 ton has way better brakes, its not just hauling you have to be able to stop safely as well.
Pat Rivard wow what an intelligent response. I have disc brakes on the trailer. It stops very well. I have to say you sound like an internet troll and should engage your brain more often
@@06colkurtz I've seen 1500 rams with the back bumper on the ground with a 700lb atv in it. So don't tell me your bull shit story about 10000lbs and 2 cars. Lol
@@KYoss68 my dad owned a 86 Mustang when I was a kid (in England btw) in the early 00s and I remember listening to a tape called trucking greats, brilliant songs
Man that’s bad I just pulled my camper fully loaded with water and generator over the bighorns and Yellowstone with my f-150 5.0 and averaged about 11.5 mpg
So, you got about 2 mpg better so if you both did a 500 mile trip, Andre would've bought 52.6 gallons of gas and you would buy 43.47 gallons. In the midwest gas is $2 so you beat Andre by about $22. Since he just changed the oil at 9500 miles, it might not be broke in yet either. I'll take the Ram 2500.
The 6.4 hemi used to sound like a big gas motor for a heavy duty truck, then ford came out with the 7.3 gas, and I test drove one a few weeks back and man that thing has so much power I can tap the gas and the truck just shoots forward
Go spit on Abraham Lincoln's grave yea from what I’ve seen on motors the more easily it flows air the less low end torque you get, so maybe they should keep the hemis in the halftons and muscle cars.
I liked the 7.3 until I read the ford forums. Numerous have reported problems and some even being stranded and had to have the truck towed. I’d wait until they get the kinks worked out. But then the super duties still have the infamous death wobble which ford hasn’t resolved yet due to faulty/junk front end parts.
Barry Hussein Soetoro I’m sure the 7.3 has problems but I’d still buy one, I have pretty decent luck with trucks I’ve got a 2010 f150 with 315k miles and it still runs great, and if I was worried about death wobble I’d just get the alignment specs that powerstroke help found to solve the problem.
Spartan 0703 I hear ya. But the problem is not the alignment it is faulty steering stabilizer shaft made in China (ford vendor). Absolutely zero fix from ford. If you go aftermarket and spend some $$$$ you can resolve it, but you shouldn’t have to when you spend the outrageous money these things cost. My 2018 250 power stroke started at 11k miles, terrible experience.
This would be a better test if the proper mid-grade fuel was used for it. I pull a 9k trailer with my Ram 2500 but at lower altitudes and average a little over 10 mpg but I also stick to at least 89 octane fuel. I have tried 91 octane fuel but have not seen any added benefits.
I live on a boat in Seattle. I think we’ve all run out of fuel on the water at least once. That’s how you find out how accurate your fuel gauge is; I found out mine runs out when the gauge reads 1/2 tank
Uhm I think that means you needyour fuel guage checked or replaced with a better one. Been boating for 30 years...never ran out of gas. Or at least didn;t have some extra on hand cause I might not have enough.
What would the difference be between a normal bumper pull trailer as opposed to a flat towed vehicle being used. If the weight/ aerodynamics of the towed unit was close … would the issue of tongue weight vs no tongue weight show up in the mpg’s??
Man that sucks. The truck probably has the 3.73 gears that really sucks fuel when towing. Would love to see what gear the Nissan has. I have an old 99 Cummins Ram with 4.10 gears and I get about 14.5 pulling a 22’ airboat and the same when I pull a 42’ rv.
Andre, I am about to order a 2020 2500. I saw a review that said there is a visibility issue with how low the rear view mirror is on these. I won’t be getting the adaptive cruise control which I understand makes a difference on the mounting. I wanted to hear your opinion if there is any issues with visibility. I am 6’4”, so I think you would be a good judge.
Nice footage, very entertaining, beautiful truck inside and outside design wise. I am getting 22 mpg diesel consumption when I pull my jet boat with my Nissan Navara Truck. It got a 2000 ccm motor with one turbo charger. 10 mpg is crazy even if gas is dawn cheap in the US compared to Europe.
I disagree about the radio. The old radio is like listening to the past if you find the right station. I suppose in a Ford you'd need a radio to keep the dull noise out. In a Dodge, you don't need a radio cause the engine sounds good...and the buttons are probably stuck and power was stole from the radio for the wipers
pilotwhale exactly. I have traveled that same highway. I typically carry spare fuel cans with high octane to minimize the use of the low octane fuels there. I always get 4-5 mpg better in my pickup truck compared to their local fuel. 91 versus 85/86. Significant difference in performance.
I love my 2006 Ram 1500 Hemi but she is thirsty here at high altitude. Pulling my 2500lbs cargo trailer my truck only gets 10mpg and towning my Jayco 23rb travel trailet she only gets 7.5-9mpg.
Andre sure takes a lot of vacations. lol. Doesn't anyone else go on vacation? lol. Where are their vacation reviews? lol. I am beginning to think Andre needs his own "TFL Vacation Channel". :). House boat? :O. Would enjoy content on that. Thanks for sharing your trip Andre. Oh and the blip on what ever you were driving. LOL.
First question is why aren't you using an anti-sway equalizing hitch? Second is what octane did you use (89 is recommended)? With the low miles on the truck, your engine in not fully broken in yet. It will get better. Plus I don't think you can compare an 1/2 ton Nissan to a 3/4 ton Ram. Lastly, you don't buy a truck like this for MPG, you buy it for capability. And as you said, the ride was great, the transmission was silky smooth and you did not event know the trailer/boat was back there. Sounds like the very definition of a successful application of TV. Of course it would be even better for the back seat passengers if it was a MegaCab!
The Ram is by far the best looking hd truck. The Ford is a little vanilla and the chevy was beaten with an ugly stick. And that is sad because I have an older Silverado.
Why not tow with the mirrors vertical? Am I missing something that guys don't like about the mirrors? Where I live when I see a Ram towing it's a mix.... some guys leave them horizontal and some put them vertical. Just wondering
Whoa Andre get the Elbow grease out and clean the bottom or your boat!😅 What the hell dude. Especially if you going between differant lakes. Hell you got kids. Do what my Dad did and get them scrubbing till it gleams.🤣🤣🤣 Oh wait I was one of those kids. 🙂
Lol I tow my rhino and my trailer total weight 4400-4600 pounds I dont even know it's there with my freestyle awd so that truck should pull like a champ if it doesn't then jeezzzz.
Why should they? Top Gear doesn't say "miles per imperial gallon" when they report fuel consumption. Since it is filmed in the US I would think it should be assumed the fuel pumps measure US gallons. Plus, it is easy enough to convert to imperial gallons or L/100km online.
My 2020 2500 tradesmen with the 6.4l HEMI sounds like an old truck with an exhaust leak under the hood. Dealership said that it sounds normal. Anyone else experience this?
Loooove my 2019 ram 2500 with the 6.4 hemi. This is my third ram with the 6.4 hemi. I towing 6 days a week and 100,000 miles on my first on and 80,000k on my second, and they never let me down. And the 2019 with the new 8 speed and a 4.10 tows better than ever!
Mike just wondering what you haul? I assume for work. :)
Brian Finn yes work. 16ft box trailer usually loaded down to around 7k. And my 16ft hydraulic dump trailer loaded anywhere between 9k-15k lbs
Nice. This man is on the hunt. RAM has always been #1.
What kind of mileage do you get towing with the new truck? I’m guessing after the truck is broken in and if your not at high altitudes you do a bit better than the 9.4 mpg they got.
Second Amendment around 9-10mpg but that’s with a 14-15k lbs dump trailer sometimes as low as 8mpg if there are a lot of hills. With my 16ft box trailer “about 7000lbs loaded” I get 12-13mpg. It’s not exactly stellar but a decent improvement over my 2016 with the old six speed
Edit: I’m also running 35in tires now
I have the 2019 2500 Tradesman. I got it to pull my 10k lb fifthwheel. I get about 9 mpg with it. I couldn't be more happier with it.
Other than the down shifting up hills, I can barely tell im towing with it most of the time..
Sounds like my 19 tradesman u must have 4.10's that thing is a beast it plows like a raped ape too
I have to say The Ram HD trucks do look the best for HD trucks go. Also want to thank Andre for Making a Video while on Vacation what a Dedicated Dude.
They look better than a Chevy but doesn't touch the Ford in looks.
Not a RAM fan but I agree, this is a good looking truck.
@@davidpatrick8153 get some glasses i owned a ford and know it can't touch the ram with interior looks
play hard exterior
dedicated indeed
I’ve worked with all trucks. The slight power increase between 5.7& 6.4 on paper is bullshit. The 6.4 is a beast for towing. With a moderate tune, u got a monster. Talk to people who work with these trucks, never mind what manu’s print on paper!
With only 2500 odd miles on the clock I would guess the truck is not even properly run in yet (engine, drivetrain etc) so I expect a better fuel consumption after adding another 10k miles on the unit.
Actually, you're more right than you know.
Most people, me included, experienced what was like a light switch being turned on at 10k-15k miles, that woke up the engine and transmission.
I have noticed a fuel mileage difference between 87 octane and 89 octane, anywhere from 1 to 3 mpg depending on how much highway driving. 5.7 hemi 3.25 rears Lonestar 1500 12 city 24 hwy not towing.
I tow daily with my 2019 6.4 2500. Awesome truck.
mitsu3kgto same, love it!
What fuel economy you getting? Can you provide specs please specifically axle gear ratio, tire and wheel size and trailer size and weight? Cheers!
RT Molinari I get 14-15mpg in tow, 17-19 highway. 9-11mpg towing depending on what. 2019 2500 bighorn 6.4hemi. 4.10 axle. Just upgraded to 35x12.50x18 tires. Lost about 0.5mpg avg
Mike Hunt thanks a lot Mike that’s exactly what I wanted to know. Do you thinks it’s weird my new 2020 bighorn ram 1500 4x4 gets 11mpg city? I’m supposed to get at least 15 according to sticker but I’m assuming it’s because it is brand new and hasn’t broken in yet?
@@amolinari9 thats a possibility, you should see an improvment after 3,000+ miles. But there is alot that goes into your mpg. Altitude, traffiv, how you drive, where you drive, gearing, truck build and weight even after break in can depend on HOW WELL you broke it in. Theres alot to it. But i dont inverst alot of faith in the advertised mpg. Its may be close to what you get but it be north or south of it by far. My best advice is if you travel long distance and need to squeeze out every mile just take it easy on the throttle and dont speed. If thats not the case and your not towing much. Worry more about smiles per gallon and not miles per gallon
Interesting.
My 1995 3500 v10 pulling a horse trailer with horses (about 7000 lbs) gets 11 mpg
Yea the V10 makes more torque and the truck is atleast 1000lbs lighter. RAM is always #1.
My V10 towing about 7500 gets 5.7mpg and is a dog of an engine
@@TheXOoftheRO ram definitely isnt always #1. They've only just started making decent trucks. They were garbage until 2019
At 10,000 ft?
Nate B. Flat land in Kansas about 1200ft asl
Great video! This brought back so many memories of going over wolf Creek pass traveling back and forth from home in Colorado springs to fort Lewis college. Some advice for you from a native Florida boy and an avid boater,,, change that front cross member on that trailer. When you start to see the rust forming on the outside of the fully boxed cross member, it's already too late, the rust inside is far worse. I've had them fail while driving and it's no fun.
Total CAT scale on my 2018 6.4 pulling my Flagstaff V-Lite is 17,100 from southern Indiana to Oklahoma, DFW, Austin, Arkansaw back through Kentecky averaging 9.1. This is consistant over three similar trips. Great truck and milage.
Wow. I just bought 2023 version of your truck.
Nothin like a Russian in an American flag t shirt. Hell yeah brother.
You forgot to add "driving a 3/4 ton 4x4 American pick-up with a 6.4L gas V8"...totally completes the picture.
Red Horse agree. But the truck is made in Mexico 🇲🇽
@@barrysoetoro3488 alot of stuff you probably think is American is not made here. Get over it.
sh0cktim3 don’t get triggered now, I was only stating a fact.
he is a russian spy!
Here's a question. What do you do at 2:28 in this video? Why, fast forward to 3:48 of course. To be fair, I don't mind youtube ads, but I hate cheesy in video product placement. Never seen any product advertised this way that wasn't a scam, or outright junk.
I noticed that you pushed the 86 octane fuel button. May get better fuel mileage with the proper 91 octane gas.
Why don’t you do something like this with all the trucks? Would’ve loved to see the 2020 Silverado HD done with something actually realistic for the average tower.
Similar if its the 6.6 gas
They usually do do a towing MPG loop on most of the trucks that come out. It's usually a ~100 mile test loop and not a ski trip like this, but it gives you similar data.
1 mpg isnt really worth worrying about it to have the peace of mind of being in a 2500 vs a 1500 when towing. I would rather be in the 2500.
What piece of mind do you get with only a 6k trailer?
@@ALMX5DP - If you have to ask, you don't understand.
@@donleamon8653 well yeah, that's why I asked a question... Feel free to provide an answer if you know, not just a veiled attempt at a ridicule.
If you're anxious about towing a 6,000lb boat in a 1/2 ton, I would have peace of mind if you stayed home.
@@ALMX5DP - Ok, everything from the tires up to where the frame meets the body is beefier. Makes towing any weight more relaxed, confident, less fatiguing on trips like Andre did vs. a half ton. The chassis is what makes the difference. I guess it is something that you need to experience in person.
Andre maybe you can confirm what I was told. When I bought my 2014 Ram 2500 6.4L (yes 2014) I was told to take it easy the first 4-5000miles as not to hot-dog and break a new motor. When I took ownership I went from a 1999 Durango with 5.9L Magnum so this felt like a big truck (also a megacab) but it did feel like it had slightly less 'pep' than a similar one I test drove before having this one built for me.
I remembered back to what my dealership told me about the 5000 mile engine break in claim and I'll be darn if I wasn't on a road trip when it rolled over - and somewhere around 5000-5100 I noticed it was significantly more responsive. Granted, I'm recalling this from 6 years ago BUT its the same engine (albiet with the 6-speed trans at the time) but every time I watch videos on this engine (new and old trans) and hear the lackluster performance, I wonder...how many miles are on the truck when its being tested - IF - that claim is true.
Have you heard anything about this from RAM - or have any thoughts on the matter? Its always bugged me hearing the negativity about the engine when I'm satisfied with mine. I don't heavy tow often, couldn't justify the $$$ for the Cummins, but I feel folks aren't giving it a fair shake if this claim is true.
What I do respect is you guys are the first I ever watched, that flat-out stated when a manufacturer posts MAX TOW numbers, its on a specific truck with specific features and unless you have that truck, you have to account for the differences. A 3500 reg cab, diesel work truck will not have the same tow rating as a 3500 crew cab gas engine. I highly respect the fact you point this out where many review sites don't.
Thanks for all the information from many years ago and keep up the great work - all of you!
Manufacturers put limitations in the computer nowadays, so you can't abuse the warranty or ruin their reputation out of ignorance. Furthermore, if they didn't you would have shitty vehicle because of all the dealership guys who like to hot rod new vehicles when they go to grab lunch for everybody. Ask me how i know. Any break in periods for anything non performance related (NON-SRT), is usually transmission related these days, not so much engine wise.
I did this trip last month in a Jeep Cherokee. But I was just hauling a kayak and got about 23MPG. Much cheaper to be human powered. 😬
Me and Earl was hauling chickens, on a flat bed out of Wiggins,
And we’d spent all night on the uphill side of 37 miles of hell they call wolf creek pass.
That’s up on the great divide
Well the 2020 6.4 tradesman level 2 equipment group, has the same side mirror functions. I just bought mine a week ago for my travel trailer.
How's the truck holding up?
My 2014 RAM 3500 with the 6.4L and 4.10 gears would get 10 - 11 MPG towing a 7000 pound travel trailer, 4 people, and a bed full of gear. Of course, I used the CORRECT grade of fuel. The fuel economy results frustrates me a little since the truck is not operating in an optimal state by using low grade fuel. Yes, altitude has an affect here but 86 octane is still too low at their altitude for a vehicle that recommends 89 or higher grade fuel. It will work fine in place of 87 octane at higher altitude but I can't help think that truck would have done better to use a slightly higher octane fuel. Maybe try the same loop again but with the recommended fuel. It would be interesting to see if it really does have an impact on fuel economy.
I own a 2020 sierra 1500 Duramax. If I was going to buy a Heavy Duty I probably would go for a Ram... I just feel like Ram has the best looking Heavy Duty... always has... Maybe the late 90's, early 2000's with the 7.3 Ford? Still Great
The F250 7.3L Godzilla destroys this truck in every facet.
Those 6.4's love fuel, no doubt about that. That being said a simple custom tune can unleash the 6.4 in the Ram. More power, more torque and better fuel efficiency.
Riccochet ide love to find one for my 19. But I don’t think anybody has one yet because of the new 8 speed
@@toofastnobrakes Hemifever tuning has you covered.
The 392 barely gets 10 without anything behind it. Personally I love my 2018 Power Wagon because even when you put a lot of weight behind it the mpg doesn't really drop. it's just always bad. But it will pull anything you want it to with relative ease.
To be fair, your 2018 PW is a completely different animal than what an 8HP 2019+ would be...
@@hellkitty1014 Yeah I agree. But the motor is the same except it has the 6 speed auto which even it is a really nice transmission. Not nearly as good as the 8 speed that our 1500 has but It's still really nice. I was just making a statement about the motor anyway. Which my point still stands, it will pull a shit ton and no matter what you put behind it the MPG barely drops.
These big powerful gas engines get the job done AND keep OPEC alive and well.
Unless there’s been a change, aren’t the 6.4L required to use mid-grade fuel?
87 is allowable per the owner's manual. 89 is recommended for slight mileage and performance benefits.
I’ve always ran 89 in my 19
@Cory Stansbury is correct. I too run 89 and get about 2mpg better. Its not required but recommended.
You will also not get sparknok with 89 octane gas. I love my 19 ram 2500 6.4. Is so much better than my 15 2500 6.4, the 8 speed definitely is better than the 6 was. Ram needs to bump the power to 430 to 450 though. We know the 6.4 can produce 485 in a Durango or charger, give us gas guys more RAM.
To bad you guys arent doing all these tests at sea level. Got to be losing power at 10k feet
Disconnecting the trailer electrical is not needed for the electric brakes, they work on magnets activated by current (No 'exposed' current anywhere). If anything it would be for the lights if they are not sealed units.
86 octane? Was sure the Hemi recommends 89
It's fine at elevation
I was thinking the same thing
The higher the elevation the lower the octane can be.
It still recommends mid grade and does clearly state 87 minimum. One of the higher grades should have been used.
Todd Gibbs at elevation, all fuel grades are decreased in states like Colorado due to difference in performance of elevation. Where low level states have 87 as the low grade, we have 85, where states have 89 we have 87. The manual only recommends a fuel grade in this case, it is not a requirement. Many vehicles in Colorado that are high mileage that have been run this way...
I would expect those mpg results towing a high profile travel trailer, but for a boat? That hemi be thirsty!
The Hemies need some miles on them to loosen up and the mileage/power improves noticeably after you get 30K miles on them.
Yeah Titans dont
Theyre also at a higher elevation which kills gas mileage on normally aspirated engines. At sea level it would do better.
@@oobiegoobie940 my xd did a little bit its a diesel.
@@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix even with a fuel injected engine? 🤔 it wont affect it as much as you think. Power will be down, but until you reach the point where you dont have enough pwr due to drag it will be fine. If anything there is less wind resistance on the 'rig' as the air is thinner.
Huge difference between towing a 6,000 lb boat and a 6,000 lb trailer. One is designed to cut through fluids easily (fluid dynamics, air is a fluid) the other has a frontal area of a barn ;-)
Great video... I’d like to see a channel testing vehicles like this and doing more long distance reviews. Just about any vehicle is great around town, but how does it feel after 6 or 10 hours behind the wheel? Real world application is key to a great buying decision. This is a very similar result to what I saw towing a very loaded 6x12 enclosed Uhaul trailer in a 2018 Ram 2500 crew cab 4x4 when moving from MI to CT( 750 miles.) Unlike your experience, my hemi powered Ram was gutless on the hills. Must be the 8 speed improves the towing experience. Several weeks later I was able to replicate the trip with the diesel and saw 16 mpg with a similar weight load and same trailer set up on the same route.
Not very impressive MPG. You might find this funny but when I fish in South Dakota I have towed in a few boats that have ran out of gas, enough that I started carrying a small gas can in the back of my boat fishing because it takes forever towing a boat in its mush easer giving them a couple gallons of gas. It ruins a day fishing but one can not leave someone stranded as I believe in Karma. What did the Trail Boss do ?
I keep waiting for Andre to say this is the truck I've finally decided to replace my h2. I'm betting he'll go with a 3/4 ton over the half tons again. Great video Andre, i'm sure your family enjoyed the time away from home!
Nice video, even though I tow a 5500 travel trailer a few times a year with an 09 Avalanche, I just recently saw a dealer in my area with several 2020 Ram 2500’s crew cabs marked-down to 33,400. Although they are only 2wd and have an 8foot bed, they are worth a test drive.
I would love to see some of the same content TFL does so well but with normal HUMAN elevations. Most of us will never go up over 6k more than just very rarely and vehicles perform so much differently in normally driven altitudes then these guys live in.
I sold my 2500 Laramie 6.4 for a Tradesman 6.7 diesel for #1 the Hemi at 100K miles will be worth about less than 40% of new MSRP. #2 limited payload and towing for a 5th wheel (weak payload was rated at 3K but snagged badly at 3K) #3 have seen 6.4 engine have many top end engine problems with cam phasers and valve train - even new engines at 30K miles. 2020 Ram 3500 diesel is more expensive to own for sure but - # rated for 4500 pounds payload and 20k towing. #2 at 100k miles will have +60% value still of MSRP (holds value for resale better than gas engine #3 drive ability when towing is way better and MPG both loaded and unloaded is better than gas. The diesel truck will appeal to resale market much better than a 3/4 ton gas truck.
Wolf Creek Pass way up on the Great Divide, truckin on down the other side.. be sure to send a card to mother Earl!
... slicker than scum off a Louisiana swamp...
I don't understand your mpg. Unless it's the amount your above sea level . i get so much better with a 410 rear. I always run 89 octane.
Sasha Shpiruk it’s the altitude he’s at. I have a 19 with 4.10 as well and my fuel economy is way better. Also running 89
Yup, 10k+ ft elevation will kill any truck's mileage, plus he clearly put 86 octane in it.
Ah yes! Sunday morning and TFL on the Tube. Great video Andre! Stay safe out there man!
The power convex is only required on the ram(fliping the mirror). Im on my third super duty and once the convex is set it stays there(unless someone touched it). Still take the diesel option my current 2019 6.7L poweratroke is just over 12 mpg with my 35ft 10k(13'2" tall) rv.
I tow a 10k pound two car hauler gooseneck with my Ram 1500. It does great. You dont need a 2500 for that little boat. :-)
Nice video as always Andre
Either your full of crap or extremely over weight. Plus 3/4 ton has way better brakes, its not just hauling you have to be able to stop safely as well.
Pat Rivard wow what an intelligent response. I have disc brakes on the trailer. It stops very well. I have to say you sound like an internet troll and should engage your brain more often
@@06colkurtz I've seen 1500 rams with the back bumper on the ground with a 700lb atv in it. So don't tell me your bull shit story about 10000lbs and 2 cars. Lol
Pat Rivard wow. Idiotic response. Not shorthand response. You are wrong period
@@06colkurtz I highly doubt it. Very short answer. Lol
Can you guys test the chevy 1500 with 6.2l towing 6,000 lbs vs the 2020 chevy 6.6l gas?
Who in the middle class can really afford a $71k truck
They’re banking on people putting it on a 7 or 8 year note and staying on the hamster wheel.
The one's with ski boats.
Plenty of people in Texas. There’s a brand new truck in most subdivisions here
Every construction guy I know who drives a fully loaded heavy duty. Now, I don't believe they are paying cash though.
Andre: I'm gonna do an MPG run
Displacement: allow me to introduce myself
Wolf creek Pass
up the great divide
Trucking on down the other side
Who knows this old song?
C.W. Mccall, yes sir.
@@KYoss68 my dad owned a 86 Mustang when I was a kid (in England btw) in the early 00s and I remember listening to a tape called trucking greats, brilliant songs
Man that’s bad I just pulled my camper fully loaded with water and generator over the bighorns and Yellowstone with my f-150 5.0 and averaged about 11.5 mpg
So, you got about 2 mpg better so if you both did a 500 mile trip, Andre would've bought 52.6 gallons of gas and you would buy 43.47 gallons. In the midwest gas is $2 so you beat Andre by about $22. Since he just changed the oil at 9500 miles, it might not be broke in yet either. I'll take the Ram 2500.
I thought the 6.4 used mid grade? Or even premium?
I don't pull a large boat, with my F250 with the 6.7 PS. But I get over 500 miles from a take of fuel, most of the time.
That's my fav ski area Andre. That is a steep hill and gets slick in the dead of winter.
The 6.4 hemi used to sound like a big gas motor for a heavy duty truck, then ford came out with the 7.3 gas, and I test drove one a few weeks back and man that thing has so much power I can tap the gas and the truck just shoots forward
Go spit on Abraham Lincoln's grave yea from what I’ve seen on motors the more easily it flows air the less low end torque you get, so maybe they should keep the hemis in the halftons and muscle cars.
I liked the 7.3 until I read the ford forums. Numerous have reported problems and some even being stranded and had to have the truck towed. I’d wait until they get the kinks worked out. But then the super duties still have the infamous death wobble which ford hasn’t resolved yet due to faulty/junk front end parts.
Barry Hussein Soetoro I’m sure the 7.3 has problems but I’d still buy one, I have pretty decent luck with trucks I’ve got a 2010 f150 with 315k miles and it still runs great, and if I was worried about death wobble I’d just get the alignment specs that powerstroke help found to solve the problem.
Spartan 0703 I hear ya. But the problem is not the alignment it is faulty steering stabilizer shaft made in China (ford vendor). Absolutely zero fix from ford. If you go aftermarket and spend some $$$$ you can resolve it, but you shouldn’t have to when you spend the outrageous money these things cost. My 2018 250 power stroke started at 11k miles, terrible experience.
Barry Hussein Soetoro yea I bet man trucks are too expensive for stuff like that to happen
How does a bluetooth speaker compete against a aftermarket stereo?
This would be a better test if the proper mid-grade fuel was used for it. I pull a 9k trailer with my Ram 2500 but at lower altitudes and average a little over 10 mpg but I also stick to at least 89 octane fuel. I have tried 91 octane fuel but have not seen any added benefits.
I live on a boat in Seattle. I think we’ve all run out of fuel on the water at least once. That’s how you find out how accurate your fuel gauge is; I found out mine runs out when the gauge reads 1/2 tank
Uhm I think that means you needyour fuel guage checked or replaced with a better one. Been boating for 30 years...never ran out of gas. Or at least didn;t have some extra on hand cause I might not have enough.
logan holmberg I know, that was the point of my comment, the fuel tank sender may have stopped working correctly
What would the difference be between a normal bumper pull trailer as opposed to a flat towed vehicle being used. If the weight/ aerodynamics of the towed unit was close … would the issue of tongue weight vs no tongue weight show up in the mpg’s??
Man that sucks. The truck probably has the 3.73 gears that really sucks fuel when towing. Would love to see what gear the Nissan has. I have an old 99 Cummins Ram with 4.10 gears and I get about 14.5 pulling a 22’ airboat and the same when I pull a 42’ rv.
Andre with your money, what would you buy? The companies f250, or this 2500
Andre, I am about to order a 2020 2500. I saw a review that said there is a visibility issue with how low the rear view mirror is on these. I won’t be getting the adaptive cruise control which I understand makes a difference on the mounting. I wanted to hear your opinion if there is any issues with visibility. I am 6’4”, so I think you would be a good judge.
Do flatlanders not understand how much elevation affects normally aspirated engines?
I range from sea level to 3500 ft above. That's my only experience here on the east coast.
No matter what you do, towing @ 10,000ft you are gunna get bad fuel mileage.
Looks like the extra gears didn’t help the MPG much. 🤷🏼♂️
Nope, same 2 overdrive gears. Acceleration and towing performance probably went up though.
Anytime you put a trailer on a 6.4 it automatically goes under 10mpg. I tow a big 20 foot enclosed and I get 5 mpg. Diesel is the way to go.
Seriously. Redo it in 89 or 91. That 6.4 will lower performance on regular gas.
Nice footage, very entertaining, beautiful truck inside and outside design wise. I am getting 22 mpg diesel consumption when I pull my jet boat with my Nissan Navara Truck. It got a 2000 ccm motor with one turbo charger. 10 mpg is crazy even if gas is dawn cheap in the US compared to Europe.
Would you mind doing a comparison on running 87 octane and 89 octane to compare gas mpg in that ram Laramie 2500??
Great video. It reminds me I need to start a TH-cam channel and small business to write off all my vehicle and recreational toys
I cried when I saw the price of unleaded in this video. 2022 currently we have $3.49/gal in MN
I'd like to see the 6.4 on the ike using manual tow haul.
I disagree about the radio.
The old radio is like listening to the past if you find the right station. I suppose in a Ford you'd need a radio to keep the dull noise out. In a Dodge, you don't need a radio cause the engine sounds good...and the buttons are probably stuck and power was stole from the radio for the wipers
For a second I thought the title was BiG Hemi Roids.
do u think a supercharged re-geared 4.0L 2nd gen can pull that ?
The lesson here is to use the proper fuel so the engine will run as designed rather than having to compensate for low octane fuel.
The lesson you need to learn is the relationship between fuel grades and elevation.
mxer b I totally understand that relationship. The recommended fuel for that area is 89 octane.
@@mxerb5912 the 6.4 requires 87 regardless of elevation, and 89 is highly recommended. Sooo...he's right.
Fuel makes big difference to mileage
pilotwhale exactly. I have traveled that same highway. I typically carry spare fuel cans with high octane to minimize the use of the low octane fuels there. I always get 4-5 mpg better in my pickup truck compared to their local fuel. 91 versus 85/86. Significant difference in performance.
Soooo the Titan is still king of the lake trip.
So the shifty shakey Nissan Titan with the old 7 speed got better mpg than the shiney new Hemi Goat! Hilarious!
The hemi also weighs alot more than the titan and has a larger 6.4, it's going to burn more fuel.
@@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix You Ram fanboys are getting worse than the Yota fans.
Those Hemi engines are very good engines but they never saw a gas station they didn't fall in love with
How fast were you driving, Andre? Speed makes a huge difference when towing.
They usually run around 70mph which is interesting, since it definitely is less fuel efficient. I'm curious too what his speeds were.
I love my 2006 Ram 1500 Hemi but she is thirsty here at high altitude. Pulling my 2500lbs cargo trailer my truck only gets 10mpg and towning my Jayco 23rb travel trailet she only gets 7.5-9mpg.
would like to see this truck tested with different gears, i believe this one had 3.23? 3.73 or 4.10 would have an impact on the mpg
Nooo. 6.4 hemi's only have 3.73 or 4.10 axle ratios. The power wagon comes with the 4.10 standard.
@@Josh47147 i thought i heard wrong the first review video of this ram 2500, but didnt bother going back to check.
Andre sure takes a lot of vacations. lol. Doesn't anyone else go on vacation? lol. Where are their vacation reviews? lol. I am beginning to think Andre needs his own "TFL Vacation Channel". :). House boat? :O. Would enjoy content on that. Thanks for sharing your trip Andre. Oh and the blip on what ever you were driving. LOL.
Great video! What rear end/gear ratios did this have?
First question is why aren't you using an anti-sway equalizing hitch? Second is what octane did you use (89 is recommended)? With the low miles on the truck, your engine in not fully broken in yet. It will get better. Plus I don't think you can compare an 1/2 ton Nissan to a 3/4 ton Ram. Lastly, you don't buy a truck like this for MPG, you buy it for capability. And as you said, the ride was great, the transmission was silky smooth and you did not event know the trailer/boat was back there. Sounds like the very definition of a successful application of TV. Of course it would be even better for the back seat passengers if it was a MegaCab!
Probably better than the TRX will get!
At least you got in some waterskiing...not many days left till it's too cold to get out...Cool boat Andre!☺️🌟🌟🌟
When Andre hit that 86 octane button, I cringed...for real. I can't believe they use that stuff out west.
Joshua Lee 85
That thing should have 91 octane. I wouldn't put 86 in my 10 year old lawn mower.
86 octane?
87 octane is the lowest here in MN.
What is the required octane rating?
Lesson of the day:carry a jump starter in the boat....lol....
I think he ran out of gas
So true better to have too much truck then not enough.
The Ram is by far the best looking hd truck. The Ford is a little vanilla and the chevy was beaten with an ugly stick. And that is sad because I have an older Silverado.
Why not tow with the mirrors vertical? Am I missing something that guys don't like about the mirrors? Where I live when I see a Ram towing it's a mix.... some guys leave them horizontal and some put them vertical. Just wondering
Boat is narrow and the mirrors can probably see over it anyway.
Whoa Andre get the Elbow grease out and clean the bottom or your boat!😅 What the hell dude. Especially if you going between differant lakes.
Hell you got kids. Do what my Dad did and get them scrubbing till it gleams.🤣🤣🤣 Oh wait I was one of those kids. 🙂
Noticed the bottom too, needs to get some toilet bowl cleaner and rubber gloves.
Wait, so the 6 speed Aisin (for the HO 6.7 Cummins) was also replaced by an 8 speed?
Lol I tow my rhino and my trailer total weight 4400-4600 pounds I dont even know it's there with my freestyle awd so that truck should pull like a champ if it doesn't then jeezzzz.
I get like 12 with my powerstroke seems like a good mileage for a Gasser
The lesson is that you stop in Pagosa Springs and put gas in the boat.
i love your videos bro, nice work
it takes 89, why id you put 87 in it?
Truck King got 17.8mpg towing 7000+lbs with the 3.0 duramax i guess diesel are use less after all 😂.
What octane does the hemi use 89-91? Requirements for the engine
89
Holy crap someone doesn't have the moose mirrors up, probably puts them up when not towing like everyone else....
Hello The Fast Lane Truck. You should state "miles per US gallon" when you are buying gasoline in US gallons! Andrew
Why should they? Top Gear doesn't say "miles per imperial gallon" when they report fuel consumption. Since it is filmed in the US I would think it should be assumed the fuel pumps measure US gallons. Plus, it is easy enough to convert to imperial gallons or L/100km online.
My 2020 2500 tradesmen with the 6.4l HEMI sounds like an old truck with an exhaust leak under the hood. Dealership said that it sounds normal. Anyone else experience this?
Yup! Sucks
Love Andre #TheRussianStallion rockin the stars and bars shirt, 'Merica!