I honestly like this channel more than TFL. As a mechanic myself, i like that you know what you're talking about on the mechanical side of things. TFL doesn't.
I agree with you 100%. Alex really puts very relevant detail into his videos, regarding drivetrain mechanical history or things to watch. Super helpful in making informed decisions. TFL is entertaining, but they mainly just read off the specs / shipping manifest of the truck they have. TFL does more 4x4 crawling (not very well) which is fun to watch as well. But I’ll never miss a Getty video
TFL brings in the vehicle brand in question, brand expert or should say sometimes an engineer turned sales marketing expert, so as a viewer one gets a glossy marketing spiel that ls ALWAYS 100% positive and completely biased, go figure LOL. So good luck getting the truth out of TFL and if they do have any issues, the manufacture gods are quick to fix their vehicle if you have ever noticed. So I agree that a channel such as this gives non biased factual information that has value for viewers trying to decide on the next vehicle purchase.
@@swizlstik LOL, well your not the only one. I rarely watch any of it now but used to try to catch certain videos depending on the vehicle they were testing. In fact after they tried to mow over one certain small youtube channel in their same state and in fact pushed youtube to take some of this guys videos down ( or youtube may have deleted them ) which was very unprofessional of TFL, I clicked off my subscription. They handled the situation very unprofessional like and it was all because the small channel used the phrase "ike Gauntlet" and apparently TFL has a patent right on that name ... who knew.
My 3.5 tows my 2018 Jayco 339FLQS for less fuel than Alex is burning pulling that 8k box. It's 13'4" tall 8' wide , and 40' long tipping in at 11.5k dry and 12.2k the way she sits to go camping. Like 22-25l/100km. That at 105km on the hill I. Northern Ontario. I know the trans canada 2 very well. I would always stop at Meductic(top of the biggest hill on the route) pulling Btrains at 62500kg for AV Nackawic. I've towed my last 5th wheel(9400lbs) out there with my 6.7 PSD and average for the entire trip was 17.4l/100km.
Because it’s becoming more rare for people to be towing anything sizable (if at all) with their half ton. So OEMs design powertrains for the majority use case while meeting emissions regulations.
Consumers have always known what's best for themselves. V8s are best and have been the consumer's the choice for decades. But leave it to "engineers" and regulators and bean counters and anti-market groups to tell us what's best for ourselves.
@@TheGettyAdventures less nitrous emissions from unburnt fuel I think helps emissions ratings more than overall fuel burned when using smaller turbo motors. They stay in an unboosted power band then move into boost power band vs lots of low rpm low load on the v8.
Welcome in Fredericton, i travel that stretch of highway monthly going up north with my 5.7l hemi hauling 2 wheeler in the trailer. There a few big hill up there in Meductic and up in the Aroostook, Perth Andover. The funny part is my truck is harder in gas coming down South on my ways back then on my trip going up North. Awesome video by the way, keep up the good work.
Best truck channel, and i would buy one of these and tow while under warranty. I wouldn’t keep one outside of warranty until they are proven. I do love the inline 6 engines. The jeep 4.0, ford 4.9, and of course the 5.9 are all great engines… don’t disappoint us hurricane
Inline 6 are my fav too. GMs 3.0l duramax, and non truck engines BMW b58, Mazdas new 3.3l, Toyota all great JZ. All of them I have been in or owned have been great so far. Hopefully this one follows suit.
My nephew just bought a 2025 Rebel and I am impressed with that little inline 6, I can't belive how smooth and quiet it is. I still like the Hemi in my RAM but I'd love to get one of those new 1500's. You did a great job on the video, you are so much more enjoyable to watch than those guys in Colorado. 😁
Great video as always. The Hurricane is impressive. If it proves reliable, I will not hesitate to get one when I replace my current Ram 1500 Hemi 5.7L in a couple of years. I can’t wait to see your towing test with the Hemi 5.7L.
The 5.7 will be between the 5.3 and the 5.0 somewhere. It will not win performance wars anymore, it's a 20 year old engine last updated 15 years ago. Like you said, it's a known quantity and very reliable. As for the hurricane, I have no doubt the HO will walk all over the SO, the 5.7, and the 3.5 ecoboost as well. Looking forward to that review, but not giving up my hemi any time.
@@stevesmith2770 This review is the SO at 420 hp. The HO is a completely different engine at 540 HP and yes it will walk all over that ecoboost. It's 0-60 is a tenth of a second behind the TRX.
I have a 2024 1500 rebel with the 5.7. That would be an apples to apples comparison if you need a truck in Nova Scotia, just saying. Thanks for another great video.
Big Ford guy here. I love the I6 design and wish Ford offered one. Cool to see what they have done with it but less than blown away with the results. A 3.92 rear end still losing against the 3.31 ford. Imagine a Max tow 3.73 ecoboost. Curious to see how the high output I6 does on your loop. Great channel by the way. Nice and to the point, no BS.
Ford has not put 3.73's with 3.5L Ecoboost Max tow since 2014. You could still get them with the heavy duty payload package but that package no longer exists as of 2024.
@@Jay-me7gw I have a 2018 max payload/max tow, works great for me. Too bad it's discontinued, Ford wants us to move up to the HD series. When I'm not towing my truck gets great fuel economy, I'm averaging 10.8 liters/100 km's, I live in a rural area.
Subscribed. very impressed with the reviews and the fact that you’re a mechanic is actually very valuable. Love reviews from people that actually have a credible opinion not like all these other “ truck guys “ which are just complete goofs who can’t even change their own oil. Mechanical opinions from a mechanically inclined professional is invaluable to people who didn’t grow up fixing their own shit. Cheers from BC 🤟🏻🇨🇦
Ecoboost is king ! I think you should do the 3.5 Ecoboost with 3.73s vs. the h.o hurricane with 3.92s . And we still need to see a hybrid f150 test as well .
Thanks for the great video. It's amazing to me how close all these trucks are to each other. Thank you for testing the way you do. The internet is filled with fanboys that slant all their reviews to what they really like, and your real world tests are what we need....a nice dose of reality. Keep it up!
The 3.0 SST SO basically embarrasses the 3.5ho, This is a Rebel model with alot of options weighs about 5 or 600 lb more than the base model ford that it's being compared to. Its GY tires are in the mud terrain category, and that's why it's having the traction issues whichis still amazing tbh. But still got better mileage pushing more weight. The 3.0 SST is just a whole other level. And that's why people have to compare the standard output to the output.
Yea people saying the 3.5 out performed the SO 3.0 BUT it's not the HO version which has 120 more hp and 52ft of torque than the SO. Im not thinking a gear change for the 3.5 eco will make that much of a difference! All other tests I've seen the 3.0 HO walks the 3.5 all day!
I6 is more natural balanced and is the more responsible choice. only down side is the sound, but to be honest in many markets outside the US this is a positive selling point
The twist to this whole tc-small engine vs na big v8 engine deal isn't for the fuel economy (which you would intuitively expect), rather it was to satisfy (epa) emissions targets
Nice review Alex! I've been towing quite a bit with my 25' Laramie. I've noticed a big difference running 91+ octane. What were you running for your test?
glad to hear Stellantis is keeping the 6.4L hemi for the Ram 2500/3500. with any 6cyl engine, over time of working the Truck, Ive yet to see a 6 outpace an 8 on longevity on the abuse a truck receives. On the other hand, if your just in a truck as a Family vehicle, I see no probs with a 6cyl.
This is where I really appreciate traction control. I’m not sure if the slippage / burning rubber was solely more power or differences in the front and rear end differential design.
A friend has one at work and has had rear end issues out of his. Have you seen any issues? I was looking at one but with his experience (yes I know that is very antidotal) I had my reservations. We work in forestry and do tow and run back roads a lot....
@ I have had mine two years and 51,000 miles, no issues. I am a contractor and pull heavy trailers each week. It is the most powerful and most reliable truck I have ever owned. I think you would be fine getting one.
Awesome videos man! Just subscribed and loving the content! What’s your opinion on the best all around pickup/engine? (I would say I’m a pretty average truck owner, Hauling 2 Kids, 7K lbs on occasion, light to moderate off roading and camping, quite a bit of commuting to work, etc)
Great video for the comparisons. Would I buy? Not at the prices they are asking. Could easily put fuel in my 07 5.9 megacab Cummins for life at those prices. But even if given the truck, I got 13-14mpg towing an 8k travel trailer and 11mpg towing our current 15k toy hauler.
I bought a ram 5.7 new in 2015. Coming from a 6.0 Silverado 2500. Always V8 I’d never buy a 6 banger……4 years later and a totaled ram from deer I’m all In on the eb 3.5 I pull a 7x14 X tall enclosed daily .4-7k lbs I always see 9-12 mpg . If they could just get the sound right.
Enjoyed this review as always. I believe the Tundra hybrid at 583 ft/lbs out of a 3.4 (or 3.5, depending who's counting) is the champ for 1/2 tons, for torque per litre. 435 hp is also nice. I'm looking forward to towing with this. Yes my 2014 eco diesel is history - however when towing my 35' travel trailer (about 9k lbs) over the past number of years it never exceeded the low 20's l/100km. Sadly I expect my Tundra will be closer to Hurricane / eco boost territory.
Technically the added power is coming from an electric motor hooked to the back of the engine not directly from displacement. which is why I didn't include the hybrid trucks but I am very interested to see how those trucks tow!
This is a great video. And thank you for sharing. It seems like on paper, The intent is to have a smaller block Engine for fuel economy yet When you load these engines or rev these engines, they burn close to a V8...
I daily a 5.7 and I would have no issue buying a hurricane after 3 years of being in the Ram. The Hemi is fine but Stellantis never bothered to fix the lifter issues or the exhaust manifold bolts breaking.
Would be curious to see the Tundra 3.5 on your towing loop. Got it a few a months ago to replace 12 F-150 5.0 that I loved but was getting rusty. At first the Tundra was fine but the longer I own it, the more I miss the Coyote. I notice on mine surging while cruising 30-50 mph. It also a bit annoying at starts with the classic turbo nothing then suddenly hard boost, feels like most modern turbos have that better sorted. Great reviews with real substance.
The tundra has some TSB's for Turbo lag I believe because of poor tuning. You might check with your dealer about a reflash. Although, if you only got it a few months ago then I would think it would already have it.
One thing to consider, and I don’t know Jack compared to you… but I own a 2025 ram rebel 1500 and my fuel economy for it is around 17 five and that’s being very nice with the throttle. The other day I had to bring my truck in for them to install the bed divider and they gave me a 2025 ram bighorn as a loaner, same engine, of course. I was able to go hard on that engine flooring it, testing out 0 to 60 on it And with doing all that I still got fuel economy of 17 miles per gallon now when I was driving normal with it, I was getting closer to 21 miles per gallon so clearly the difference is the lift in the rebel as well as maybe the tire package so if you compare that Style 2025 1500 RAM with the eco-boost you might have different results. And I mean, I really have to baby my rebel to get 17.5 miles per gallon.
Agreed, there are differences but this truck was availible and I wanted to see how it worked. I will do this test again with a "normal" ram 1500 with 3.55 gears to see how much difference it makes
I think your Rebel must have the 3.92 differential, and that would make your mileage less as most of the "Limited" models have the higher gears like 3.23 which would get better MPG
@@wayneowen5864 Interesting. I wonder if that big horn had 3.55. I have to bring it in one more time, I will take a look and test again. I''ll followup on here.
Greetings Alex. Good job and I think that engine 3.0 lts can be reliable ... I LIKE THE HURRICANE ENGINE! I begin to convince myself. I hope it's not a mistake! Thank you Alex! ABRAZOTE desde CDMX; México! 😮😂😊
The turbo 6 cylinders are the way to go in these half tonnes. Just maintain them well as they do require a little more attention. I have a 2.7 EB with 3.31 rear and it gets just about the same mileage my small 2.0 crossover did , highway and daily driving around town. Can’t complain one bit, and I still have the option to tow.
I had that in my last truck a 12 F-150. Cannot say enough good about it. Quiet and smooth. Great towing power. Feels underrated for his good it is. Even Ford techs I see prefer it over there other engines.
One thought on the rpm when pulling up hill: more rpm isn’t necessarily a bad thing - turbo engines need to be careful of excessive cylinder pressures which peak at full boost at low rpm: dropping a gear and running up the rpm could actually be beneficially and running the engine under less stress for the same power output and not necessarily a negative.
If you get a chance you might want to take a look at the F150 Powerboost. They are very impressive when it comes to power when comparing to the current offerings in the market place for pickup trucks.
I like a lot about this video more than TFL. But, towing is a lot about temp management and braking as well. Taking an extra 3mins to talk about braking performance/fade and temp management would be great too.
I don’t understand the purpose of going to a smaller displacement engine for fuel efficiency when it’s worse than the V8 it replaced. My 2500 Ram HD with the 6.4 Hemi will average between 10 and 12 mpg when towing about 10,000 lbs, and usually anywhere from 10 to 15 mpg unloaded. It has 3:73 gears, and as you stated with the Hurricane, shifting is seamless. I agree that the ZF 8 is the best transmission you can get.
The purpose is to get better mileage numbers when not towing. Most owners spend little time towing things. And, the EPA mileage ratings don’t tow anything.
I have driven a few Hurricane powered vehicles as I work for a CDJR dealership. For a small engine they are impressive in power. There quite. They are smooth. But this reminds me of the 80’s. The V8 were going away in cars not trucks. 2.2 then 2.5 turbo engines that eventually replaced with larger more fuel efficient V6’s. Then the V8 options came back. See a pattern here?
The turbo engines were used because they made more power than their anemic V6 and even V8 counterparts in the 80's. Not sure that efficiency was part of that formula. GMC Syclone, Buick Grand National, Supra, RX7, Skyline, Mustang SVO etc. The SVO 2.3L Turbo was making as much power as the 5.0 at the time. V8's only came back in a select few cars because the technology improved to make them cleaner and more efficient.
Finally Ram gets a reliable transmission and surprise it’s not their own. You gotta love how manufacturers talk about fuel economy on these smaller engines. These engines are gonna be thirsty at these power outputs even at smaller displacements.
Great review. The Rebels always seem to get worse mpg then the standard Rams. The AT tires treads and weight. Also less aero on the front end. I do love the look though
I think most REBEL's have the Lower gear ratios, like 3.92:1 compared to the "LIMITED's 3.55:1 or 3.23:1 ratios". The 3.92:1 is much better for towing!
As long as power is adequate I do not care much about drag race times. There are a lot of factors such as the transmission and overall tuning of the powertrain. I still prefer a good old fashioned V8 even though this power plant offers more power. Hopefully the longevity will be good but only time will tell if that is the case. Thanks for the video.
@@joeblow5037 That problem was eliminated in 2019, different exhaust manifolds using more bolts. Exhaust manifold leaks are common with GM V8's and the 5.7 Hemi.
I am marveled that you are towing with a turbo 3.0 that while towing gets the milage it does. I am going to interject that my rig with 4.30's in the ass end, pulling with a heaver truck and heaver camper with a 7.3 gas still has about a 4 or so MPG better advantage. Now I am sure when not under load it gets better than I do, but come on, smaller engines are supposed to be more fuel efficient right?
The small engine will need to turn more rpm to make power for towing, and when into boost it will need to add more fuel to keep the engine happy. That’s mainly why they’ll get so much worse when towing but do better when driving just the truck.
The front of that trailer looks like the morning after a bar fight. Now this thing likes 3600 rpm. The gearing accounts for that. The damn thing better be able to live at 3600 rpm for extended periods lol.
Someone dynoed an EcoBoost and S.O. Hurricane. The hurricane builds faster 2.7k then drops a bit and doesn't climb until 3300RPM while the ecoboost nearly at peak torque. It explains why the hurricane broke traction and needed more rpm. The only exact # was the reference point the rest are approximations based on the dyno 2700RPM= Hurricane 360lb ft/Ecoboost 330lb ft 3317rpm=H 352.48lb ft /E 421.90lb ft 3600rpm= H 400lb ft /E 425lb ft 4250 they merge and then the Hurricane holds a tiny edge until redline. It makes me wonder if the hurricane is dialed back to make the H.O. more attractive (only big money trims), to make the power delivery more linear and smooth or just so they can turn it when ford increases the ecoboost output
I haven't driven a newer RAM with the 8 speed ZF but with the 5 speed and 8 speed in the Cherokees I get way better fuel mileage with tow/haul mode disabled.
As an owner of a 2016 F150 3.5 eco boost and a 2023 Ram Rebel with 5.7L, they get almost the exact same fuel milage towing and normal driving and the Ram sounds 10x better. I'll take the 5.7 any day.
It amazes me that the Feds still ignore the fact that displacement matters for trucks. They are made to two and work and the turbos use more fuel and create more emissions because of it.
we will keep our 5.7 for a couple more years(or more), it's has well over 50,000 km of towing 7000 lbs, never missed a beat! what grade of fuel are all these trucks using? our 5.7 is supposed to use mid grade but we have always used regular
Hi Alex, did you provide final economy calculation based on actual pump gas consumption and not just the screen estimates? I know you usually finalize the number at the pump. And it doesn’t surprise me on the numbers, although I was honestly hoping for much better towing economy result for the 3.0SST. Just to see Ram take a big advantage in one segment. Oh well. Better get a V8 before all gone. So when it comes to turbo economy in towing, 2.7eb >3.0SST >3.5eb. And reverse order in power and torque figures. Which all makes sense. Still doesn’t compare to V8 gas for towing economy. And of course diesel is still king. Plans to expand into 2500’s gas and diesel powered rigs? I think the Hemi 6.4 or Duramax 6.6 might get better fuel economy than the 3.5eb. The Ford 7.3 would be the worst compared to all the gas options (economy). And the Hd diesel beats them all. But not as much as before the EPA chocked the diesel power plants. Blah
If I were going to be towing regularly I would probably look at the F250 with the 7.3L gas engine. It will be much less stressed and likely last longer than this one would. If I were only going to occasionally tow anything I would consider this truck with this power plant after a few more model years but I would not buy the Gen 1 version.
6.7 mpg is 16% better than the 3.5. I really think the AT/MT tires zapped another 5%. It certainly did when I went to ATs on my RAM. That would put it at around 7 mpg. Over a thousand miles,6.7 mpg would equate to about $70 of fuel at $3 a gallon.
Please leave the info graphics displayed for a longer time, its a pain to pause the tv. Better yet, find a way to leave them displayed the whole time in a corner somewhere
The 5.7L Hemi will be NEXT on the chopping block for my towing loop!! I think that will be another great comparison
Would love to see the comparison with towing
I would like to see the 392 in a 2500 "test".
Would love to see the Nissan Titan after that
Can you do more midsized trucks
@dwreckd1836
Titan hasn't been sold in Canada for a couple years....
Two compliments: #1 Thanks not talking over the acceleration runs (Tfl). #2 Thanks for no annoying music.
lol well thank you
Or talking to someone else on a portable radio!
Agree, this was really a great, no BS review
@@DH-hp7nvshots fired lol
I honestly like this channel more than TFL. As a mechanic myself, i like that you know what you're talking about on the mechanical side of things. TFL doesn't.
I agree with you 100%. Alex really puts very relevant detail into his videos, regarding drivetrain mechanical history or things to watch. Super helpful in making informed decisions. TFL is entertaining, but they mainly just read off the specs / shipping manifest of the truck they have. TFL does more 4x4 crawling (not very well) which is fun to watch as well. But I’ll never miss a Getty video
TFL brings in the vehicle brand in question, brand expert or should say sometimes an engineer turned sales marketing expert, so as a viewer one gets a glossy marketing spiel that ls ALWAYS 100% positive and completely biased, go figure LOL. So good luck getting the truth out of TFL and if they do have any issues, the manufacture gods are quick to fix their vehicle if you have ever noticed. So I agree that a channel such as this gives non biased factual information that has value for viewers trying to decide on the next vehicle purchase.
Can’t do TFL
@@swizlstik LOL, well your not the only one. I rarely watch any of it now but used to try to catch certain videos depending on the vehicle they were testing. In fact after they tried to mow over one certain small youtube channel in their same state and in fact pushed youtube to take some of this guys videos down ( or youtube may have deleted them ) which was very unprofessional of TFL, I clicked off my subscription. They handled the situation very unprofessional like and it was all because the small channel used the phrase "ike Gauntlet" and apparently TFL has a patent right on that name ... who knew.
Agreed TFL is unwatchable anymore always pimping some product ad talking over the videos.
i love these towing test videos because it just keeps showing the 3.5 eco boost is just awesome assuming you can live with the fuel economy
The 3.0 is just a whole other level.
@BloodAlwaysFindsItsLevel you must not have watched the video lmao
tough fuel economy but it tows like a freight train
My 3.5 tows my 2018 Jayco 339FLQS for less fuel than Alex is burning pulling that 8k box. It's 13'4" tall 8' wide , and 40' long tipping in at 11.5k dry and 12.2k the way she sits to go camping. Like 22-25l/100km. That at 105km on the hill I. Northern Ontario. I know the trans canada 2 very well. I would always stop at Meductic(top of the biggest hill on the route) pulling Btrains at 62500kg for AV Nackawic. I've towed my last 5th wheel(9400lbs) out there with my 6.7 PSD and average for the entire trip was 17.4l/100km.
Lots of unnecessary] over and extra fuel consumption
Funny how the V8's are more fuel efficient but manufacturers are killing them off.
Because it’s becoming more rare for people to be towing anything sizable (if at all) with their half ton. So OEMs design powertrains for the majority use case while meeting emissions regulations.
It is a weird one forsure. probably in the lab the turbo engines are more efficient or easier to manipulate into getting better economy
Consumers have always known what's best for themselves. V8s are best and have been the consumer's the choice for decades. But leave it to "engineers" and regulators and bean counters and anti-market groups to tell us what's best for ourselves.
@@TheGettyAdventures less nitrous emissions from unburnt fuel I think helps emissions ratings more than overall fuel burned when using smaller turbo motors. They stay in an unboosted power band then move into boost power band vs lots of low rpm low load on the v8.
They're more efficient when under load, but if you put them on the same loop empty, the roles will be reversed
Best truck channel by far. This truck towed as i expected.
Welcome in Fredericton, i travel that stretch of highway monthly going up north with my 5.7l hemi hauling 2 wheeler in the trailer. There a few big hill up there in Meductic and up in the Aroostook, Perth Andover. The funny part is my truck is harder in gas coming down South on my ways back then on my trip going up North. Awesome video by the way, keep up the good work.
Best truck channel, and i would buy one of these and tow while under warranty. I wouldn’t keep one outside of warranty until they are proven. I do love the inline 6 engines. The jeep 4.0, ford 4.9, and of course the 5.9 are all great engines… don’t disappoint us hurricane
Inline 6 are my fav too. GMs 3.0l duramax, and non truck engines BMW b58, Mazdas new 3.3l, Toyota all great JZ. All of them I have been in or owned have been great so far. Hopefully this one follows suit.
My nephew just bought a 2025 Rebel and I am impressed with that little inline 6, I can't belive how smooth and quiet it is. I still like the Hemi in my RAM but I'd love to get one of those new 1500's. You did a great job on the video, you are so much more enjoyable to watch than those guys in Colorado. 😁
The best truck reviews going , keep up the great work
Great video as always. The Hurricane is impressive. If it proves reliable, I will not hesitate to get one when I replace my current Ram 1500 Hemi 5.7L in a couple of years. I can’t wait to see your towing test with the Hemi 5.7L.
The SST is a cool engine but I'm so happy I got a 5.7 before they were axed
People act like the hemi was the beat motor ever. They have plenty of problems
I'm migrating to Canada from India next month and This is going to be my next truck
Nope it won’t beater after the election those borders will be closed and the evacuation continues
The 5.7 will be between the 5.3 and the 5.0 somewhere. It will not win performance wars anymore, it's a 20 year old engine last updated 15 years ago. Like you said, it's a known quantity and very reliable. As for the hurricane, I have no doubt the HO will walk all over the SO, the 5.7, and the 3.5 ecoboost as well. Looking forward to that review, but not giving up my hemi any time.
I completely agree, the hemi isn't going to blow anybody out of the water but Its a tried and true platform
@@TheGettyAdventures you can really push that engine, can’t idle it though 😂
Let’s do this comparison after they have 200k miles on it
Did NOT walk all over Ford's 3.5 Ecoboost - even with a much lower rear gearing!
@@stevesmith2770 This review is the SO at 420 hp. The HO is a completely different engine at 540 HP and yes it will walk all over that ecoboost. It's 0-60 is a tenth of a second behind the TRX.
Still shocked you don’t have more subscribers. Best truck reviews out there imo. Hopefully the TH-cam algorithm will catch up soon.
Appreciate it! I'm just happy I get to play around with these trucks!
I have a 2024 1500 rebel with the 5.7. That would be an apples to apples comparison if you need a truck in Nova Scotia, just saying. Thanks for another great video.
I'm migrating to Canada next month and this will be my go to truck
Big Ford guy here. I love the I6 design and wish Ford offered one. Cool to see what they have done with it but less than blown away with the results. A 3.92 rear end still losing against the 3.31 ford. Imagine a Max tow 3.73 ecoboost.
Curious to see how the high output I6 does on your loop. Great channel by the way. Nice and to the point, no BS.
Ford has not put 3.73's with 3.5L Ecoboost Max tow since 2014. You could still get them with the heavy duty payload package but that package no longer exists as of 2024.
@@Jay-me7gw A 3.5 with either the 3.73 and HDPP or 3.55 Max Tow would still walk all over this unbelievably is my main point.
@@Jay-me7gw I have a 2018 max payload/max tow, works great for me. Too bad it's discontinued, Ford wants us to move up to the HD series. When I'm not towing my truck gets great fuel economy, I'm averaging 10.8 liters/100 km's, I live in a rural area.
I’m waiting on the 3.0l duramax
That will be a very interesting engine!
BTW...the LZ0 3.0L Duramax makes 495 ft. lbs of torque... more torque per liter than this hurricane engine.
Me too
@@3.0dmax You still need HP to do the work. A dmax isn't making 300 hp at 2200 rpm, no matter how much you might want it to.
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Subscribed. very impressed with the reviews and the fact that you’re a mechanic is actually very valuable. Love reviews from people that actually have a credible opinion not like all these other “ truck guys “ which are just complete goofs who can’t even change their own oil. Mechanical opinions from a mechanically inclined professional is invaluable to people who didn’t grow up fixing their own shit. Cheers from BC 🤟🏻🇨🇦
Ecoboost is king ! I think you should do the 3.5 Ecoboost with 3.73s vs. the h.o hurricane with 3.92s . And we still need to see a hybrid f150 test as well .
Thanks for your work on these videos!!
I would love to see 3.0L dramas on your tow loop and numbers compared to the gassers.
Thanks Alex for another great review! I really love watching these tests you are doing. Best channel out there!
Thanks for the great video. It's amazing to me how close all these trucks are to each other. Thank you for testing the way you do. The internet is filled with fanboys that slant all their reviews to what they really like, and your real world tests are what we need....a nice dose of reality. Keep it up!
This is my first time visiting this channel. I'm very impressed with how well this video was put together. Better than anything esle out thier.
The 3.0 SST SO basically embarrasses the 3.5ho, This is a Rebel model with alot of options weighs about 5 or 600 lb more than the base model ford that it's being compared to. Its GY tires are in the mud terrain category, and that's why it's having the traction issues whichis still amazing tbh. But still got better mileage pushing more weight. The 3.0 SST is just a whole other level. And that's why people have to compare the standard output to the output.
Yea people saying the 3.5 out performed the SO 3.0 BUT it's not the HO version which has 120 more hp and 52ft of torque than the SO. Im not thinking a gear change for the 3.5 eco will make that much of a difference! All other tests I've seen the 3.0 HO walks the 3.5 all day!
I’m giving it a try I’m leasing though. I’ve had only Hemi until now
The ZF 8HP is the best RWD-biased transmission on the market. END OF STORY
It does not get better.
I6 is more natural balanced and is the more responsible choice. only down side is the sound, but to be honest in many markets outside the US this is a positive selling point
The twist to this whole tc-small engine vs na big v8 engine deal isn't for the fuel economy (which you would intuitively expect), rather it was to satisfy (epa) emissions targets
Great video series. Would love to see the 3.0L Duramax.
I’m loving these videos
Great job
Nice review Alex! I've been towing quite a bit with my 25' Laramie. I've noticed a big difference running 91+ octane. What were you running for your test?
glad to hear Stellantis is keeping the 6.4L hemi for the Ram 2500/3500. with any 6cyl engine, over time of working the Truck, Ive yet to see a 6 outpace an 8 on longevity on the abuse a truck receives. On the other hand, if your just in a truck as a Family vehicle, I see no probs with a 6cyl.
This is where I really appreciate traction control. I’m not sure if the slippage / burning rubber was solely more power or differences in the front and rear end differential design.
Yes, please bring the Hemi test!
Nice video. I will stick with my F150 Powerboost. 19 city and 23 Highway. Towing mpg depends on the trailer, but about 10mpg most of the time towing.
Ditto here!
The powerboost would be very cool to tow with. probably a killer set up
A friend has one at work and has had rear end issues out of his. Have you seen any issues? I was looking at one but with his experience (yes I know that is very antidotal) I had my reservations. We work in forestry and do tow and run back roads a lot....
@ I have had mine two years and 51,000 miles, no issues. I am a contractor and pull heavy trailers each week. It is the most powerful and most reliable truck I have ever owned. I think you would be fine getting one.
Wow what a review! Subscribed!
id like to see that new tundra on that loop, great video
@alex when is the fuel economy test of the 5.7 hemi coming? 😊
Time will tell how the 3.0 holds up, especially towing.
SOON!! Its on the top of list. Hemi towing and fuel economy loop
I’ll be curious how the 5.7 hemi will perform compared to others. But I really want to see a Powerboost F150 thrown in.
Another great video! Still waiting for the 6.4 hemi. 😅
Same man!
The 6.4 isn't available in 1/2 ton trucks.
Awesome videos man!
Just subscribed and loving the content!
What’s your opinion on the best all around pickup/engine? (I would say I’m a pretty average truck owner, Hauling 2 Kids, 7K lbs on occasion, light to moderate off roading and camping, quite a bit of commuting to work, etc)
Great video for the comparisons. Would I buy? Not at the prices they are asking. Could easily put fuel in my 07 5.9 megacab Cummins for life at those prices. But even if given the truck, I got 13-14mpg towing an 8k travel trailer and 11mpg towing our current 15k toy hauler.
I’m new to the channel and was looking at your pop up charts. Did you do a Tundra video on this loop?
I bought a ram 5.7 new in 2015. Coming from a 6.0 Silverado 2500. Always V8 I’d never buy a 6 banger……4 years later and a totaled ram from deer I’m all In on the eb 3.5 I pull a 7x14 X tall enclosed daily .4-7k lbs I always see 9-12 mpg . If they could just get the sound right.
Enjoyed this review as always. I believe the Tundra hybrid at 583 ft/lbs out of a 3.4 (or 3.5, depending who's counting) is the champ for 1/2 tons, for torque per litre. 435 hp is also nice. I'm looking forward to towing with this. Yes my 2014 eco diesel is history - however when towing my 35' travel trailer (about 9k lbs) over the past number of years it never exceeded the low 20's l/100km. Sadly I expect my Tundra will be closer to Hurricane / eco boost territory.
Technically the added power is coming from an electric motor hooked to the back of the engine not directly from displacement. which is why I didn't include the hybrid trucks but I am very interested to see how those trucks tow!
Agreed & understood.
This is a great video. And thank you for sharing. It seems like on paper, The intent is to have a smaller block Engine for fuel economy yet When you load these engines or rev these engines, they burn close to a V8...
I daily a 5.7 and I would have no issue buying a hurricane after 3 years of being in the Ram. The Hemi is fine but Stellantis never bothered to fix the lifter issues or the exhaust manifold bolts breaking.
Would be curious to see the Tundra 3.5 on your towing loop. Got it a few a months ago to replace 12 F-150 5.0 that I loved but was getting rusty. At first the Tundra was fine but the longer I own it, the more I miss the Coyote. I notice on mine surging while cruising 30-50 mph. It also a bit annoying at starts with the classic turbo nothing then suddenly hard boost, feels like most modern turbos have that better sorted. Great reviews with real substance.
The tundra has some TSB's for Turbo lag I believe because of poor tuning. You might check with your dealer about a reflash. Although, if you only got it a few months ago then I would think it would already have it.
One thing to consider, and I don’t know Jack compared to you… but I own a 2025 ram rebel 1500 and my fuel economy for it is around 17 five and that’s being very nice with the throttle. The other day I had to bring my truck in for them to install the bed divider and they gave me a 2025 ram bighorn as a loaner, same engine, of course. I was able to go hard on that engine flooring it, testing out 0 to 60 on it And with doing all that I still got fuel economy of 17 miles per gallon now when I was driving normal with it, I was getting closer to 21 miles per gallon so clearly the difference is the lift in the rebel as well as maybe the tire package so if you compare that Style 2025 1500 RAM with the eco-boost you might have different results.
And I mean, I really have to baby my rebel to get 17.5 miles per gallon.
Agreed, there are differences but this truck was availible and I wanted to see how it worked. I will do this test again with a "normal" ram 1500 with 3.55 gears to see how much difference it makes
I think your Rebel must have the 3.92 differential, and that would make your mileage less as most of the "Limited" models have the higher gears like 3.23 which would get better MPG
@@wayneowen5864 Interesting. I wonder if that big horn had 3.55. I have to bring it in one more time, I will take a look and test again. I''ll followup on here.
Greetings Alex.
Good job and I think that engine 3.0 lts can be reliable ... I LIKE THE HURRICANE ENGINE!
I begin to convince myself.
I hope it's not a mistake!
Thank you Alex!
ABRAZOTE desde CDMX; México! 😮😂😊
The turbo 6 cylinders are the way to go in these half tonnes. Just maintain them well as they do require a little more attention. I have a 2.7 EB with 3.31 rear and it gets just about the same mileage my small 2.0 crossover did , highway and daily driving around town. Can’t complain one bit, and I still have the option to tow.
I'll stick with my 5.0 coyote 🐺
great engine
I had that in my last truck a 12 F-150. Cannot say enough good about it. Quiet and smooth. Great towing power. Feels underrated for his good it is. Even Ford techs I see prefer it over there other engines.
Alex, it would be interesting to know how was the engine break going downhill compared to the Eco Boost and V8s you tested.
One thought on the rpm when pulling up hill: more rpm isn’t necessarily a bad thing - turbo engines need to be careful of excessive cylinder pressures which peak at full boost at low rpm: dropping a gear and running up the rpm could actually be beneficially and running the engine under less stress for the same power output and not necessarily a negative.
If you get a chance you might want to take a look at the F150 Powerboost. They are very impressive when it comes to power when comparing to the current offerings in the market place for pickup trucks.
I like a lot about this video more than TFL. But, towing is a lot about temp management and braking as well. Taking an extra 3mins to talk about braking performance/fade and temp management would be great too.
12:35 the truck you passed was towing a huge load up that hill.
I don’t understand the purpose of going to a smaller displacement engine for fuel efficiency when it’s worse than the V8 it replaced. My 2500 Ram HD with the 6.4 Hemi will average between 10 and 12 mpg when towing about 10,000 lbs, and usually anywhere from 10 to 15 mpg unloaded. It has 3:73 gears, and as you stated with the Hurricane, shifting is seamless. I agree that the ZF 8 is the best transmission you can get.
That's pretty good towing MPG. What transmission do you have if you don't mind me asking?
@@joerapo he has the ZF8 he just said that plus that's what comes with that truck.
@@Qugie He said the ZF8 is the best transmission you can get NOT that he has the ZF 8.
It’s all about the epa. Lower emissions and slightly better fuel economy without a load. EPA doesn’t care about fuel economy when towing.
The purpose is to get better mileage numbers when not towing. Most owners spend little time towing things. And, the EPA mileage ratings don’t tow anything.
Please test a 3.0l duramax! Love the chanel
Nice reviews as always but we really need to see the Tundra and the Titan as well.
The titan is dead.
Foreign novelty turds
Tundra is a real option. but the titan is a tough one to get.
@@TheGettyAdventures To bad, the Titan had a 5.0 Cummins.
@@m97429and it was crap
I have driven a few Hurricane powered vehicles as I work for a CDJR dealership. For a small engine they are impressive in power. There quite. They are smooth. But this reminds me of the 80’s. The V8 were going away in cars not trucks. 2.2 then 2.5 turbo engines that eventually replaced with larger more fuel efficient V6’s. Then the V8 options came back. See a pattern here?
The turbo engines were used because they made more power than their anemic V6 and even V8 counterparts in the 80's. Not sure that efficiency was part of that formula. GMC Syclone, Buick Grand National, Supra, RX7, Skyline, Mustang SVO etc. The SVO 2.3L Turbo was making as much power as the 5.0 at the time.
V8's only came back in a select few cars because the technology improved to make them cleaner and more efficient.
I’d like to you to see how adding a wind deflector on the top of the cab affects things when towing talll trailers
Great video Alex. Im reallystarting to like that 3.0 . Id buy one for sure.
Been waiting for this one!
I was excited to get this truck hooked up to my trailer
Just finished the video and I’m impressed. I wonder how much better the HO would be. Do you plan on getting one of those?
@TheGettyAdventures yes really want to see the 3.5 ecoboost go up against the high output hurricane
Finally Ram gets a reliable transmission and surprise it’s not their own. You gotta love how manufacturers talk about fuel economy on these smaller engines. These engines are gonna be thirsty at these power outputs even at smaller displacements.
@@thewhitecarrot Ram’s had ZFs since 2013.
They’ve been running this transmission since 2013 model year. Gas HD since 2019. Now diesel HD is getting it I think next year.
Great review. The Rebels always seem to get worse mpg then the standard Rams. The AT tires treads and weight. Also less aero on the front end. I do love the look though
Exactly.
agreed, when I get a normal Ram 1500 we shall do this towing loop again and see how it fairs.
I think most REBEL's have the Lower gear ratios, like 3.92:1 compared to the "LIMITED's 3.55:1 or 3.23:1 ratios". The 3.92:1 is much better for towing!
Be interesting to see this motor compared with the 3.0L high output
As usual, well done sir.
I'll take that ZF8 speed anyway over Fords 10 speed. I have both, and I've never had an issue with the 8. The 10 has been in 3 times in 75k miles
As long as power is adequate I do not care much about drag race times. There are a lot of factors such as the transmission and overall tuning of the powertrain. I still prefer a good old fashioned V8 even though this power plant offers more power. Hopefully the longevity will be good but only time will tell if that is the case. Thanks for the video.
Was expecting it to blow the ecoboost away seeing how old it is. Ford holds strong still
my neighbor had to have both exhuast manifolds replaced at 135k to the tune of 3 grand. :-( (2018 3.5 ecoboost)
@ still plenty with over 300k. More proven than the hurricane
@@joeblow5037 That problem was eliminated in 2019, different exhaust manifolds using more bolts. Exhaust manifold leaks are common with GM V8's and the 5.7 Hemi.
@@benjaminwayneb look over there....a bird 🦜
@@joeblow5037 Look over there, a shit Fiat.
Hope you add the gm 3L diesel to the list soon
Ford really could do so much more with that 2.7L I’d love to see what they continue to do with it.
I think they should put the 3.0L in the F150. Its the same architecture as the 2.7L, just bigger turbos and displacement and more power.
I am marveled that you are towing with a turbo 3.0 that while towing gets the milage it does. I am going to interject that my rig with 4.30's in the ass end, pulling with a heaver truck and heaver camper with a 7.3 gas still has about a 4 or so MPG better advantage. Now I am sure when not under load it gets better than I do, but come on, smaller engines are supposed to be more fuel efficient right?
The small engine will need to turn more rpm to make power for towing, and when into boost it will need to add more fuel to keep the engine happy. That’s mainly why they’ll get so much worse when towing but do better when driving just the truck.
I love the concept of a turbo inline six. Just not from Stellantis. They did choose the perfect trans for that truck, though.
The front of that trailer looks like the morning after a bar fight.
Now this thing likes 3600 rpm. The gearing accounts for that. The damn thing better be able to live at 3600 rpm for extended periods lol.
lol works all the same
@TheGettyAdventures without a doubt lol. Call it trailer jealousy 😂
The fact is that higher rpm is best for longevity… Lugging an engine is not good for the long term
Good video thanks for testing
Someone dynoed an EcoBoost and S.O. Hurricane. The hurricane builds faster 2.7k then drops a bit and doesn't climb until 3300RPM while the ecoboost nearly at peak torque. It explains why the hurricane broke traction and needed more rpm. The only exact # was the reference point the rest are approximations based on the dyno
2700RPM= Hurricane 360lb ft/Ecoboost 330lb ft
3317rpm=H 352.48lb ft /E 421.90lb ft
3600rpm= H 400lb ft /E 425lb ft
4250 they merge and then the Hurricane holds a tiny edge until redline.
It makes me wonder if the hurricane is dialed back to make the H.O. more attractive (only big money trims), to make the power delivery more linear and smooth or just so they can turn it when ford increases the ecoboost output
You need to do this video review with the 3.0 duramax.
I haven't driven a newer RAM with the 8 speed ZF but with the 5 speed and 8 speed in the Cherokees I get way better fuel mileage with tow/haul mode disabled.
You have excellent videos!
As an owner of a 2016 F150 3.5 eco boost and a 2023 Ram Rebel with 5.7L, they get almost the exact same fuel milage towing and normal driving and the Ram sounds 10x better. I'll take the 5.7 any day.
Interesting was the F150 you tested also a offroad model ? I’m wondering if a normal trim with different tyres would give a better result
Good video/info Alex thanks
It amazes me that the Feds still ignore the fact that displacement matters for trucks. They are made to two and work and the turbos use more fuel and create more emissions because of it.
The 2024 3.0l LZ0 "baby" Duramax(widely available in North America) has 495ft/lbs torque, which equates to 165ft/lbs torque per liter...
we will keep our 5.7 for a couple more years(or more), it's has well over 50,000 km of towing 7000 lbs, never missed a beat!
what grade of fuel are all these trucks using? our 5.7 is supposed to use mid grade but we have always used regular
Hi Alex, did you provide final economy calculation based on actual pump gas consumption and not just the screen estimates? I know you usually finalize the number at the pump. And it doesn’t surprise me on the numbers, although I was honestly hoping for much better towing economy result for the 3.0SST. Just to see Ram take a big advantage in one segment. Oh well. Better get a V8 before all gone. So when it comes to turbo economy in towing, 2.7eb >3.0SST >3.5eb. And reverse order in power and torque figures. Which all makes sense. Still doesn’t compare to V8 gas for towing economy. And of course diesel is still king.
Plans to expand into 2500’s gas and diesel powered rigs? I think the Hemi 6.4 or Duramax 6.6 might get better fuel economy than the 3.5eb. The Ford 7.3 would be the worst compared to all the gas options (economy). And the Hd diesel beats them all. But not as much as before the EPA chocked the diesel power plants. Blah
I agree didn't help
I didn’t want your other reviews so I don’t know the specs but I’m curious how much the rebel package affected this test
Is there a reason why you didn’t do this test with the 3rd Gen Tundra(3.4 turbo)? I would be interested to see how it performs against the ecoboost.
Do the 5.7 with etorque. I just upgraded to one from a 2015 hemi and the mpg while towing is awesome.
If I were going to be towing regularly I would probably look at the F250 with the 7.3L gas engine. It will be much less stressed and likely last longer than this one would. If I were only going to occasionally tow anything I would consider this truck with this power plant after a few more model years but I would not buy the Gen 1 version.
You need to do the HO version of this engine.
Are you going to do the towing test with the GM 3L diesel ?
6.7 mpg is 16% better than the 3.5. I really think the AT/MT tires zapped another 5%. It certainly did when I went to ATs on my RAM. That would put it at around 7 mpg. Over a thousand miles,6.7 mpg would equate to about $70 of fuel at $3 a gallon.
Geez Louise you could have taken a leaf 🍁 blower and blown out all the leaves 🍁 from the cowling vents before filming this ! 😂
Please leave the info graphics displayed for a longer time, its a pain to pause the tv. Better yet, find a way to leave them displayed the whole time in a corner somewhere
Are you using imperial MPG or US MPG? Also would be nice to see in L/100km to compare to our Canadian trucks…
The graphics around 5:25 show the 8HP45 trans, but this has the 8HP75