Brother I have the same exact feelings as you in all these topics. I have been stockpiling my 372 and 390’s for quite awhile now, because I’ve seen where the saw industry is headed for some time. I also agree about not needing a hotrod saw to cut timber. I run them because I do the work myself. A sharp chain and clean smooth work are worth more than all the horsepower in the world. I cut some pretty nice timber on occasion with a hot 372 and a 32” bar. And I like to think I do a fairly clean job. Like you said I ain’t the best out there, but I’m no slouch either. I hope I get to bump into you in my travels someday. I’d enjoy cutting with you.
Sporty Rick here! I just retired from Woods logging supply 23 years of modifying saws... I hear you! I've had good luck with the 661, they had thin cases at first and would crack at the bar studs... And after about 6 mo. the carbs need to be replaced rebuilds usually wont help fuel and crap running threw the solenoid.... I miss the 461 I believe the best saw Stihl put out! The 660 also badass if you don't mind the weight..... I have modified thousands and sent them across the globe... Now takin it easy till its ass kickin time... If we get our country back, I'll be refurbishing and modifying old favorites to turn in private.... Woods is now owned by Bishop lifting and has a mech. Sebastian which I trained and he caught on quick!
I have a 390 and a 592. I still pick up the 390 most days. I've never had a problem with it, never had to mess with the carb except for when I opened up the exhaust a bit. I don't even know what I'd do with the 592 if it wasn't running right. I do tree removal though, not timber falling. It's less of an issue, since I've always got 2 or 3 more saws in the truck. That being said - M-Tronic doesn't work as good as Autotune. I imagine you wouldn't care for either, which I get. But if I had to pick I'd take autotune.
I 100% agree. We mainly run 50cc limbing saws here for most the stuff we do. So I reluctantly got a 550xp when my 357 popped and I needed a saw for the coming week. And it's been fine and almost converted me to accept that the autotune 3 has cleared previous problems. So push came to shove and I wasn't using my 880 anywhere near enough to justify so I sold it and bought a new (but off of eBay private sale) 592xp. It never ran right and even the husky dealer couldn't figure it out. It literally has 1.5hrs on it according to the diagnostics. High compression, good spark but just pisses fuel through it. Rebuilt the carb, no joy. If I want to put a new carb on it it has to be paired with the coil! Can't buy the solenoid you have to buy the whole carb. Just another thing to piss me off. I'm trying to figure out if the 585 normal carb will work, but that's out of my wheelhouse.
100% agree, I don’t cut like your guys, but I’ve had a lot of problems with the mtronics. Luckily my 661 is manual carb. But I have a built 461 that almost keeps up with it. So it don’t get used alot. Also, the 661 feels like a wet noodle
Videos like this are golden. Thank you for sharing your experience and wisdom. No replacement for real world experience. I love my old stihl . Just getting into cutting as a side job. I've run into jobs my 028 can't do. Need an 039 044 something like that. Keep it coming. All the best to you and your family
Been watching you two on IG reels for a while and decided to subscribe here. I'm only a casual firewood cutter and the only pro type saw I've ever run even a little was a stock 372 Husky with a 32" bar. This was back in the early 90's and I still remember how much pull it had. I just set it up on the 30" doug fir I was cutting up and it pulled itself through the wood. Stihl started going cheap years ago by not using replaceable bearings on the cranks. The O series saws were the best they ever made. I completely agree with your admonitions about thed importance of doing the maintenance and using goog techniques instead of hotrod equipment.
Appreciate the input man. Also, I hope you’re not seeing us on Instagram. We’ve got a Facebook but have been having problems with folks stealing the content we create, really tough to get that stuff pinned down. Anyways, stay safe out there!
@@timberfallingcouple I think it was IG but... regardless, they're both run by Meta so I think a lot content floats between the two. I know when I post on IG it will automatically share it on Facebook unless I unclick the link.
My ms462C runs flawlessly, but I do notice hitting that rev limiter all the time on accident but doesn’t bother me. I haven’t had to change that solenoid on the carb yet, sounds like a pain.
This is interesting info. I log and own a tree service in New England. I swapped out my husqvarna saws for a 661 and 452 2 years ago. The 661 has a lot of the problems you are saying. You have a lot more knowledge about the saws than I do but run them all week every week. The 462 has been one of my favorite saws I ever ran. But yeah the 661 is janky and beyond your standard fixes I need help. Thanks for the info and love the channel by the way.
Thanks for posting and sharing. Well said. Sorry to hear about this issue w/Stihl saws. I lived in Montana in the seventies and they were a respected brand for people who were felling for a living.
The 390’s were known to have that problem with the intake manifold 😢 and can we talk about the stihl 500i how you have to pump the f’n primer 15 times before starting it EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Sadly the chainsaw world is being forced to the computer krap . Well worth owning a pile of the older saws . I have the 500I and it was just as you described until I vstacked it and put a Exile Performance muffler front that dumps exshaust to the recoil side and the improvement was instant. The good old 066 was the one of the best saw platforms for sure. Been years since I fell commercial timber but I know the new saws just flat suck on power compared to what I learned,. Keep safe Brother.
Your absolutely on point with that. I had a 362 die in 3 months of tree service work. 394 42 inch and a couple 461s 36 inch have been ripping for about 5 years now. logging and climbing. Same goes for the new 201 and my old 200t and 020t. 201 is trash as well, feels.like a toy too
Your right and good for you to warn others. Chainsaws are going the way cars went twenty years ago. Unrepairable unless you're the dealer selling them and duck when the bill comes.
Not a fan of mine. Couldnt find a regular 661 cause shortages(there is one but its made in brazil) I thought I may like it, no tuning sounded sweet! But its flimsy and ya gotta blow the filter out twice a day. It smokes and runs fat when limbing. I have a feeling it is a throwaway tool. I will run it til it pops and that will be that. I can honestly get by with a ported echo 7310 better for what Im doing.
I enjoyed and agree with your rant. I couldn’t agree more about the uselessness of these new rev limiting self adjusting piles of crap. All we ever needed was a screwdriver, not a laptop, and it should still be that way imo. I’m in my late 70’s so all I run is my 10mm 044 for firewood and it may be one of the best saw’s Stihl ever made. Also have a MS461 for the bigger stuff, but the 044 is by far my favorite. Just found your channel tonight and subscribed; stay safe out there!
Im one of the tree service guys you mentioned. I have a 661c and a husky 562, both fast but my favorite saw is my echo 680. Slower but not picky. It makes power where it needs to, no more no less
I was stoked , was looking for a 261, and was able to find a shop that still had the Non m version. Most everywhere only carried the M version. Stoked on my find :)
I can tell when somone is genuinely a legend in the making I’m not in the big lumber business but I truly would drive to your state and work with you a day hell ide put on my chain saw paints bring my 585 and just watch you a day and learn everything I could from you, your full of tricks and knowledge you probably don’t even realize because they are second hand nature to you . I would pay money to work with you a day
Best saws made have done come and went. I love the 390 and has been very good for me just like 066 was great was pretty good but none of them are as durable as the '80's saws
You are absolutely right I’m 72 years old and still cutting the best song I ever had was the same ones I’ve been running and oh 46 and an 0 56 I wouldn’t give you five bucks for that 661
044 70cc all the way. Any saw with an 0 in front. Husquvarna the old 365 same thing. 2000 365 special is another 65cc great saw. I have fell and cut 5 cord of wood since i bought the saw in 2001 and it has never missed a beat. Changed the plug once
i learned my lesson on pushing the RPM... had a 440 that i pushed to 15k... until it wiped the wrist pin and smoked a piston... it lived for a while, but when you run things on the ragged edge, shit happens
Idk nothing about saws but watched the whole video but the way you explain things is good. Thanks for the food for thought when i do decide to get a saw
So what should a guy buy that runs a MS250 and upgrade to? My uncle fell timber out of cave junction for 45 years. Ran 660 hotrodded and 440. He would out cut everyone. Keith Steward.
Phill I 💯 agree with you I use old saws , I've boughten these newer Husqvarna auto tune saws and I'm not impressed, second the auto tune will adjust itself it runs so rich on an auto tune model, I think the saw manufacturers should stick to simple design, the 300 series saws from Husqvarna was there best model in my opinion, I still run 385 xp , and my 371
Efi is a good idea, but I'm betting theyre trying to squeeze as much fuel efficiency as possible, as why would you not run a carb otherwise? The real benefit of efi, is is runs right at all atmospheric conditions, so if you can't flash a better tune for them, they're not gonna be very useful. I'm a huge 2t efi fan, and would never no back to a carb backcountry snowmobile, or Dirtbike ever again, hopefully stihl can figure out their efi.
Their doing a lot to get passed the EPA and whatever else’s BS aswell. But I feel like the best of the 2 stroke equipment is past us all buy old stack parts and go from there.
Super funny, but accurate rant! Loved it! Didn't even know you had a channel? I remember you from (I think?) doing chains at Gordy's shop with Inbred Jed or maybe guilty of treeson. Autotune and Mtronic saws run lean - that is my experience. But, I don't run them hard like you. And, if I think they are getting too hot, I give em a rest ... what about them darn stopped up mufflers and cat mufflers too, if you want to add to your rant. Now, I need to go put a carb kit in, and finish a muffler on another saw. Thanks!
661-500i falling apart It’s a trade off for weight savings and to appease the EPA. 066/660 are absolute tried and true runners. Then the 395 was the best bang for the buck of any saw on the market at the time. Ridiculously simple design and made bull dozer power. Stay safe out there 🌲🇺🇸🌲
Big Phil that's odd I run the 500i and 661 and a 460 all I do is cut don't stop just like you do I just do it for 8 hour days I haven't had a problem new saws are a hit or miss and I use and abuse my saws
Yeah I really like them as a production cutter there perfect I run my saws stock I only change out the muffler cover because I like my saws loud lol but I live them the 500 is fuel thirsty but other than that I love them as a production cutter
Freaking hilarious man!!! Love it! Can a standard carb be installed on 661? And it be way cool to cut with you, if it could be work out….. not to race you but to just cut and learn Be safe….
I used to run my saws all day doing line clearance. let me start with my disclaimer, I am a user, not a REAL chainsaw guy. I was like you, pretty hard on my stuff, but within reason. We ran stihl saws… a 201 top handle and a 362. I got out of professional tree work, and into another industry after they fired me while I was on short term disability, but I still do work on the side. Currently I run a 201 top handle, a 361, and I just bought a 660. The more I do on my own on the side, the more I am researching all this stuff, so let me ask you this. If you could have just three saws, what would they be? I don’t know if you climb or trim, because this is only the second video of yours I’ve seen, but three saws… A climbing saw, ground saw, Big saw. What would you get and why. Make a video and link it, or write whatever you need to in the reply.
I did plenty of climbing work in the past but did not do any pruning, just removals. I did everything with regular saws, because I didn't have enough need to warrant a 201. If I had to do climbing a lot more often, I would invest in whatever crap top handle got me by, so that would be one of them and I probably don't give a single damn which top handle I got. Next would be a 390xp because it will do anything I need it to do al the way up to 42 inch bar stuff. If I had to have a third it would be an 084 beause it was the 7 cube I knew and I loved them. If I didn't have to have a 7 cube I'd ditch the 390 and have a couple 395s to do both. Although a 390 does damn well up in the tree with a 24 inch bar on it.
LOL! I love your videos. Watching you and Sadie cut is awesome! I am a Piss Fir Willy. 😅 I cut hazard trees, buck logs off of trails and sometimes road/trail side brushing (use the excavator with flail now, work smarter not harder!) I still have 12mm 044 that in my opinion was the best Stihl saw that was produced years ago. So far Mtronics work for me but I do not run them hard like the professionals do. Most of the crap I fall is not green, what is it like? 🤔🤦🤪 Keep the great content coming. Much respect for the working men and women in the Timber Industry. 💪👍
Great video, my dude!! I have to say, i agree with your insight. I have a question about your bit with hot rod saws.... Do you use OEM pleated air filters, or foam filters with oil. I can't seem to find unbiased info on them. Thanks again!
I certainly don't have the saw knowledge you have and I was a tree climber, so a slightly different industry, but I wasn't impressed by most Stihl saws, especially the new ones. The plastic components broke all the time when the saws banged into the tree, which is inevitable if you climb. Husqvarnas, Echos and the older Stihls seem to be built more robustly. I wanted to love the 500i, because the power to weight ratio is fantastic, but it's too expensive and the reliability isn't there. I saw two blow up when run hard. The 462 actually seems like a decent saw to me. Light weight and doesn't seem to have the reliability issues of the 500i, but I didn't get to use them much before I moved on from that company. Personally, I went with a hot rod Echo 7310 as my big saw, and couldn't be happier. It's a little heavy (about a 461), but it has plenty of power, and I know I can run it hard without issues. It will probably fail on me faster than a stock saw, but as a climb saw, that's an acceptable cost. Otherwise, I'm paying for it with my body by carrying a bigger saw to get enough power.
I have an ms660 magnum....absolutely no problems....my ms440 magnum I bought in 04...its a real screamer...every bit as good as my 372xp's. That 440 has never ever ever been to a shop, and in 20 years I have cut 15 to 25 cords per year for just me....thats about 300 to 500 cords of wood. Other that chains and a new bar every so often completely trouble free...I personally dont know anyone with these new saws, but I've heard good and bad....ill stick with my old school reliable carbed saws.
Between that 660 and the 44, they will last the rest of your life if you stay up one filters and don't run them too lean and keep good fresh fuel in em.
My Poulan 245 and several S25's I bought in the 70's are still getting it done. I use good oil and fresh gas mixed 32:1 Any more I'm just too old and feeble to run the big saw much if I have a choice.
Great rant leaned a lot. I did feel like the ending was a safety Brief in the Army.. Don't beat your wife. Don't drink and drive. Don't sleep with the generals Daughters. Don't sleep with the Generals Wife. Don't get F'ed my a "Mawho" Don't piss on the Navy Base front entrance Sign lol.
Don't know Sadie but neither of you should give 1/2 a shit what anybody but God thinks! I own all zero stihl saws no ms in site 08 is my fav right now but I'm a firewood maker and amateur at that.
Im looking at snagging a used 500i - "MS 500i is the first ever chainsaw on the worldwide market with electronically controlled fuel injection." is this the mtronic crap you're referencing?? saw newbie here, thanks!
I love this video because you hit EVERY SINGLE POINT I talk about. People don’t want to admit that those 661s/500 suck. I personally run all 0 series stihls and 2/3 series husqvarnas. The 461 was the best damn upgrade saw ever. I love my 390s I’ve had and I’m happy I have a “new” one and I have to say those 585s are amazing they are a good upgrade from the 390. The 3 series gets shit on for the screws backing out and small issues but the same people I find are in denial about the 661 solenoid issues. I love all saws but the 390/395 and 066 were and forever will be the best true timber cutting saws out there the new ones can’t compare. But hey that’s what some guy on the internet says but I’ve seen a lot and worked on a lot. But great video brother and you and Sadie are both badass cutters I’d love to meet and cut with some day
Buddy,I enjoyed this video. I used to heli log for 13 years here in British Columbia and then went and became an arborist climbing trees. Ive worked with a lot of cool fallers and some complete culls as well,hell, I was a bit of a cull from time to time 😂, I miss those wet coast,foggy logging days . I currently have a wicked 066,a nice low hr 038 magnum 2 and an ms 200T for climbing,love the old saws.
Well hell I'd love to come out on a jobsite and cut with you but for the learning not the nut swinging got all my own gear know some basics just looking for a master splinter to teach.
I ran my 661 for a week and got rid of that garbage, already aware of the issues I tried one and even if it did run well I strip saw and limbing and bucking with that annoying ass rev limiter drove me insane. I went back to my 066.
That's a piece of equipment that is worth getting to know, if you meet a piece of hardwood that overwise would prove itself to be exceptionally tough and mean. From a saw person's perspective (I'm not talking about large pines or softwood, I'm talking stuff that is like a boxer with a chin made of stone). You're not going up against that timber with anything less than your best, as far as .058 full cisel goes, in whatever brand that you have faith in. I did get out of the last unused Husky 372 that was available. And I've settled now on a semi chisel archer, with a .058 Husqvarna 24 inch heavy duty type of bar that I run it with. Just to process and saw up my hardwoods for fencing end poles. Because the 372 is a saw the veterans in logging grew up with, and I wanted to get to know that tool. But when a tree is still vertical, and it will laugh back at you if you touch it with most saws. That kind of hardwood. I don't mess around, the 585 has been solid for me. And for softwood felling, it's equally reliable. I tended to use the 585 with semi chisel on 28 inch Husqvarna bars for the softwood, and I tend to drift down to 24 inch Husky or Oregon bars for hardwood.
I didn't have a 24 inch Husqvarna bar at the time I got the 585 this year for it. So I use a 24 inch Oregon lighter bar. Since that I added a couple of heavier duty 24 inch Husqvarna bars to my selection (those things aren't inexpensive I learned either). But I'm delighted that I did. As I said for horizontal log processing and shaping with the 372 saw, that heavy Husqvarna 24 inch bar is working out so far. And I've used a lot of different 20 inch bars for a while now. The Oregon 20 inch semi chisel chain I got not long ago makes real nice chips when cutting hardwood. However, having used the 24 inch with some Archer semi chisel lately, except for smaller wood, I think I'm done with 3/8 inch pitch chains and bars in the 20 inch dimension. I always say that though, and something comes up, typically tree care work. Where I find all of my larger saws getting 20 inch bars and chains on them (I think it is that I hand file, and except for my own personal use I'm not willing to spend a day filing a selection of 24 or 28 inch chain). Just for tree care work outside.
My first saw was a 1988 Husqvarna 281XP, and it wouldn't die. I ran it 6 hours a day for 14 months falling timber in Oregon. Then bought a Stihl O64 and made the 281 my back up. The 281 did vibrate a lot and the O64 was smoother and well balanced. But I only got 11 or 12 months before it blew, so I used the Husky while it got rebuilt. I cut for 4 years, using 064s, then joined the Coast Guard to fly on rescue helicopters, and sold the Husky to my father in law. He used that saw a fair amount cutting firewood, and 3 years later, I got out of the Coast Guard and went to work falling timber for him, with that same 281 still on the same piston! He ran the cat, and I cut and sat chokers. The oiler finally went out and the shop loaned me a 394XP while they ordered the part. That saw was so smooth and much lower on vibration, plus more power, so we bought it and made the 281XP the landing saw. And it got used bumping knots on the landing for the next few years. I'm about to buy a new saw. What would you suggest for a 36" bar? 390, or 592 perhaps?
I'd buy 390 or 395 for sure! Great saws. But they have their issues. If you get one of the above, send us an email and I'll talk to you about common maintenance problems to keep an eye out for and they will last years and years
@@timberfallingcouple Thanks, I appreciate that. The 592 is similar weight to the 390, and more power, but I was wondering if the older, less powerful 39O might be the more tried and tested option. And, in most cases, you don’t get a more powerful saw at the same weight without trading something. Usually reliability. Like you, I never hot rodded my saws. I like reliability over sheer power, and I am a firm believer that a sharp chain is more important. A well ground chain off a Simington makes way more difference than 500 more rpm.
Well another thing to note is that if you have good torque, they make 8 tooth sprockets. And I run them, and they run well with a sharp chain. I can't speak to a 592 because I've never run them. I don't know how they do. I know if I was scared a 390 wouldn't have enough power, I'd buy a 395, put an 8 tooth sprocket on it and literally want for nothing. If I wanted a light fast saw I'd get a 390 or a 372 even and have a nice fast l8ght saw. I don't personally have any use for a 460/461/500i/372 sized saw at this stage in my career, but if I did, 461 or 372 is where I would go. I consider a 390 to be a perfectly equal, perhaps even more capable analog to a 660. And I consider a 395 to be more analogous to an 056 or 2100, 6 cube saw than a 5.5 cube saw. Just my experience. Your mileage may vary. I also have found that if you keep your plastics snug and replace plastic parts and keep blue loctite on your plastics screws, a 395 is absolutely without a doubt the longest lasting saw made in the last 30 years. 660/066 being a close second. Then 390xp
@@timberfallingcouple My 281XP only made 5.7 hp, and my 064 only 6.3, and I dropped plenty of 4, 5, and 6 foot trees with both of them, so I don't think I would need much more power than that. And they were both quite manageable limbing with a 36" bar. A 390 at 6.5 hp is more powerful than both of those at a nearly identical weight to the 064, so it would probably be my best overall option for both falling and limbing. The 592 is only slightly heavier, but I kind of wonder about the reliability of a much newer model when the 390 has been around nearly 20 years. The 390 is so close in weight and power to the 064, and that was a great all around saw for me. And that old Husky 281 amazed the shit out of me just how long it ran, so maybe the 390 might be right in the sweet spot.
@@timberfallingcouple Well, I just pulled the trigger on a 390XP. It was a tough choice between it and the 592XP. They had the 390 but I waited for them to get the 592 in and handle them both side by side. The 390 felt lighter. Husky lists the 592 as only 0.2 pounds heavier, but I could feel a noticeable difference with each in hand. I saw some channel where a guy weighed them both, and he said the 390 was half a pound heavier. Well maybe my arm is out of calibration, but the 592 felt a good pound heavier. And I also like that the 390 is tried and proven and simpler technology. As well as a couple hundred dollars cheaper. My 281 did ok at 5.7hp with a 36" bar, as did my 064 at 6.3hp and the 390 makes 6.5hp. Yeah, the 592 makes more power, but I am more about reliability, and a sharp chain versus horsepower. I got it set up with a Husky 36" light bar, and Oregon full chisel, full comp chain. Now I have a lot of wood to cut, and down the road I will be getting a Simington grinder again.
I have looked after my 660 and it has looked after me. First time i stripped it down to clean the clutch and grease the bearing i thought, yes, this saw is engineered properly. Its the only saw i have not killed. Its heavy, thats my only slight gripe. These idiots that buy tuned saws and pipe's ! Seriously, thats asking for trouble. All that money to save a second in the cut only to have the saw shit itself within months. Stupid. Stihl is loosing the plot.
Stupid engineering this electronic carburetors junk . Same goes for Husqvarna auto tune. Saws will go into default or compensate mode when there is an airleak. Yup it will blow your engine in short order without warning. They want to try and reduce emissions as much as possible. It's just a gimmick in the end. Husqvarna auto tune is a nightmare. The diagnosis software update tool needs to be linked to the Husqvarna site to get access in troubleshooting solenoid valves or sensors on your saw. Plus the module harness needs to be attached to the diagnostic tool and then a laptop to gain access to the history of the saw and last calibrations. Really stupid just for a saw and you need to be a Husqvarna dealer to gain access to the mothership Husqvarna site. Waste of time. Conventional carburetor adjustments were and are always better.
Lol I learned that same thing. I don't need to be greedy. I cut 100 plus trees last year. With a sharp chain and a C's 400. Fast. Delimed then to. Hauled away. I learned I don't need hot rods. Do need west cost dogs. Which I now stamp out my self to.
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Brother I have the same exact feelings as you in all these topics. I have been stockpiling my 372 and 390’s for quite awhile now, because I’ve seen where the saw industry is headed for some time. I also agree about not needing a hotrod saw to cut timber. I run them because I do the work myself. A sharp chain and clean smooth work are worth more than all the horsepower in the world. I cut some pretty nice timber on occasion with a hot 372 and a 32” bar. And I like to think I do a fairly clean job. Like you said I ain’t the best out there, but I’m no slouch either. I hope I get to bump into you in my travels someday. I’d enjoy cutting with you.
Appreciate the kind words and shared sorrows man, stay safe!
Sporty Rick here! I just retired from Woods logging supply 23 years of modifying saws... I hear you!
I've had good luck with the 661, they had thin cases at first and would crack at the bar studs... And after about 6 mo. the carbs need to be replaced rebuilds usually wont help fuel and crap running threw the solenoid.... I miss the 461 I believe the best saw Stihl put out! The 660 also badass if you don't mind the weight..... I have modified thousands and sent them across the globe... Now takin it easy till its ass kickin time... If we get our country back, I'll be refurbishing and modifying old favorites to turn in private....
Woods is now owned by Bishop lifting and has a mech. Sebastian which I trained and he caught on quick!
Thanks for the heads up on the new "high tech" Stihl saws. Guess I'll keep my old 025, 036 and 066 saws running.
This man just gave you some of the best advice you will ever hear about saws
I have a 390 and a 592. I still pick up the 390 most days. I've never had a problem with it, never had to mess with the carb except for when I opened up the exhaust a bit. I don't even know what I'd do with the 592 if it wasn't running right.
I do tree removal though, not timber falling. It's less of an issue, since I've always got 2 or 3 more saws in the truck.
That being said - M-Tronic doesn't work as good as Autotune. I imagine you wouldn't care for either, which I get. But if I had to pick I'd take autotune.
I 100% agree. We mainly run 50cc limbing saws here for most the stuff we do. So I reluctantly got a 550xp when my 357 popped and I needed a saw for the coming week. And it's been fine and almost converted me to accept that the autotune 3 has cleared previous problems. So push came to shove and I wasn't using my 880 anywhere near enough to justify so I sold it and bought a new (but off of eBay private sale) 592xp. It never ran right and even the husky dealer couldn't figure it out. It literally has 1.5hrs on it according to the diagnostics. High compression, good spark but just pisses fuel through it. Rebuilt the carb, no joy. If I want to put a new carb on it it has to be paired with the coil! Can't buy the solenoid you have to buy the whole carb. Just another thing to piss me off. I'm trying to figure out if the 585 normal carb will work, but that's out of my wheelhouse.
I've been trying to figure that out myself
@@novicetimbercutter I've asked Donny Walker 🤞 hopefully he's able to help. I'll share any new info on my channel I guess
100% agree, I don’t cut like your guys, but I’ve had a lot of problems with the mtronics. Luckily my 661 is manual carb. But I have a built 461 that almost keeps up with it. So it don’t get used alot. Also, the 661 feels like a wet noodle
Light milk chocolate is how I describe the screens and plugs
i have a 394 husky a very smooth saw , i have 2 old 066 love them and a new 500i , its hard to beat the older saws in some aspects
Videos like this are golden. Thank you for sharing your experience and wisdom. No replacement for real world experience. I love my old stihl . Just getting into cutting as a side job. I've run into jobs my 028 can't do. Need an 039 044 something like that. Keep it coming. All the best to you and your family
Hey we appreciate that, thank you.
I’ve tried a 400c and 261c, not bad but I recently bought a 390xp and love it. I agree with a lot of your points for sure
Also the 461 will always be one of my favorite saws
Been watching you two on IG reels for a while and decided to subscribe here. I'm only a casual firewood cutter and the only pro type saw I've ever run even a little was a stock 372 Husky with a 32" bar. This was back in the early 90's and I still remember how much pull it had. I just set it up on the 30" doug fir I was cutting up and it pulled itself through the wood.
Stihl started going cheap years ago by not using replaceable bearings on the cranks. The O series saws were the best they ever made. I completely agree with your admonitions about thed importance of doing the maintenance and using goog techniques instead of hotrod equipment.
Appreciate the input man. Also, I hope you’re not seeing us on Instagram. We’ve got a Facebook but have been having problems with folks stealing the content we create, really tough to get that stuff pinned down. Anyways, stay safe out there!
@@timberfallingcouple I think it was IG but... regardless, they're both run by Meta so I think a lot content floats between the two. I know when I post on IG it will automatically share it on Facebook unless I unclick the link.
My ms462C runs flawlessly, but I do notice hitting that rev limiter all the time on accident but doesn’t bother me. I haven’t had to change that solenoid on the carb yet, sounds like a pain.
660 magnum is pretty much indestructible one of the best saws ever built
Thanks for the video! Could you do a video on how to adjust and tune a chainsaw. I got a 461 with adjustable card.
I’ll talk to Phil about it, appreciate the inquiry!
This is interesting info. I log and own a tree service in New England. I swapped out my husqvarna saws for a 661 and 452 2 years ago. The 661 has a lot of the problems you are saying. You have a lot more knowledge about the saws than I do but run them all week every week. The 462 has been one of my favorite saws I ever ran. But yeah the 661 is janky and beyond your standard fixes I need help. Thanks for the info and love the channel by the way.
Thanks for the feedback and support!
Thanks for posting and sharing. Well said. Sorry to hear about this issue w/Stihl saws. I lived in Montana in the seventies and they were a respected brand for people who were felling for a living.
The 390’s were known to have that problem with the intake manifold 😢 and can we talk about the stihl 500i how you have to pump the f’n primer 15 times before starting it EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Sadly the chainsaw world is being forced to the computer krap . Well worth owning a pile of the older saws . I have the 500I and it was just as you described until I vstacked it and put a Exile Performance muffler front that dumps exshaust to the recoil side and the improvement was instant. The good old 066 was the one of the best saw platforms for sure. Been years since I fell commercial timber but I know the new saws just flat suck on power compared to what I learned,. Keep safe Brother.
Your absolutely on point with that. I had a 362 die in 3 months of tree service work. 394 42 inch and a couple 461s 36 inch have been ripping for about 5 years now. logging and climbing. Same goes for the new 201 and my old 200t and 020t. 201 is trash as well, feels.like a toy too
Gets pretty old paying more money for junk
Every thing is throw away junk saws, trucks & equipment.Very sad days!
Your right and good for you to warn others. Chainsaws are going the way cars went twenty years ago. Unrepairable unless you're the dealer selling them and duck when the bill comes.
Love this. Got a line up of old saws, everytime I pick up an auto tune it never does what it's supposed to do.
I'm pretty sure that you can still ask for a regular carburator on a new saw
It's made in brazil though. And the rest of the saw problems are still there.
@@ricksanchez7459 no they are made in the USA in Virginia
Not a fan of mine. Couldnt find a regular 661 cause shortages(there is one but its made in brazil) I thought I may like it, no tuning sounded sweet! But its flimsy and ya gotta blow the filter out twice a day. It smokes and runs fat when limbing. I have a feeling it is a throwaway tool. I will run it til it pops and that will be that. I can honestly get by with a ported echo 7310 better for what Im doing.
Agreed. It’s not just saws. It’s all new Stihl. We use husky but in Florida it’s all Stihl dealers. Back home in Maine there is lots of husky dealers.
I enjoyed and agree with your rant. I couldn’t agree more about the uselessness of these new rev limiting self adjusting piles of crap. All we ever needed was a screwdriver, not a laptop, and it should still be that way imo. I’m in my late 70’s so all I run is my 10mm 044 for firewood and it may be one of the best saw’s Stihl ever made. Also have a MS461 for the bigger stuff, but the 044 is by far my favorite. Just found your channel tonight and subscribed; stay safe out there!
Im one of the tree service guys you mentioned. I have a 661c and a husky 562, both fast but my favorite saw is my echo 680. Slower but not picky. It makes power where it needs to, no more no less
Very informative, thank you for taking the time to share your experience. By far this style of video is one of my favorites
Awesome, good to hear!! Thanks for the support and feedback 👍🏼
Hello! The only option I can see is buying the Husqvarna 585. It has a standard carb and no need to mufflermod. Regards, Wolfgang
Thanks Phil for your knowledge gained from hard experience, and Sadie for your time editing!
Hey thanks man, appreciate the kind words and support 👍🏼
real talk. much gratitude. please allow yourself to go on and on. passion is truth.
I was stoked , was looking for a 261, and was able to find a shop that still had the Non m version. Most everywhere only carried the M version. Stoked on my find :)
I can tell when somone is genuinely a legend in the making I’m not in the big lumber business but I truly would drive to your state and work with you a day hell ide put on my chain saw paints bring my 585 and just watch you a day and learn everything I could from you, your full of tricks and knowledge you probably don’t even realize because they are second hand nature to you . I would pay money to work with you a day
I don't think anything will ever replace a 066/660, they are just absolute workhorses.
Best saws made have done come and went. I love the 390 and has been very good for me just like 066 was great was pretty good but none of them are as durable as the '80's saws
You are absolutely right I’m 72 years old and still cutting the best song I ever had was the same ones I’ve been running and oh 46 and an 0 56 I wouldn’t give you five bucks for that 661
They should have never got rid of the 660 i just bought a 390 and I love it
I bought an M-tronic hated it, gave it to a buddy and he threw it away. I'm sticking with my old 044s and 362s.
362 has m tronics
@@parkerk7018 I have two 362 that do not have M tronics. They come either way.
You just said what I've been thinking. Absolutely no need for computer chips on chainsaws. Great video. 😊
what are your model recommendations for 50-70cc saws? pre MTronic??
044 70cc all the way. Any saw with an 0 in front. Husquvarna the old 365 same thing. 2000 365 special is another 65cc great saw. I have fell and cut 5 cord of wood since i bought the saw in 2001 and it has never missed a beat. Changed the plug once
I'm no pro, but my MS-260 is still running strong after 25+ years. Besides, I live on the East coast with smaller wood ;)
i learned my lesson on pushing the RPM... had a 440 that i pushed to 15k... until it wiped the wrist pin and smoked a piston... it lived for a while, but when you run things on the ragged edge, shit happens
Idk nothing about saws but watched the whole video but the way you explain things is good. Thanks for the food for thought when i do decide to get a saw
So what should a guy buy that runs a MS250 and upgrade to?
My uncle fell timber out of cave junction for 45 years. Ran 660 hotrodded and 440. He would out cut everyone. Keith Steward.
Fair play to you, lad. I watched the video of you on guilty of treeson edging on the grinder ❤
Phill I 💯 agree with you I use old saws , I've boughten these newer Husqvarna auto tune saws and I'm not impressed, second the auto tune will adjust itself it runs so rich on an auto tune model, I think the saw manufacturers should stick to simple design, the 300 series saws from Husqvarna was there best model in my opinion, I still run 385 xp , and my 371
Efi is a good idea, but I'm betting theyre trying to squeeze as much fuel efficiency as possible, as why would you not run a carb otherwise? The real benefit of efi, is is runs right at all atmospheric conditions, so if you can't flash a better tune for them, they're not gonna be very useful. I'm a huge 2t efi fan, and would never no back to a carb backcountry snowmobile, or Dirtbike ever again, hopefully stihl can figure out their efi.
All my saws are just regular carburetor saws. I can't trust the new Mtronic carbs as too many parts that can fail.
Their doing a lot to get passed the EPA and whatever else’s BS aswell. But I feel like the best of the 2 stroke equipment is past us all buy old stack parts and go from there.
Super funny, but accurate rant! Loved it! Didn't even know you had a channel? I remember you from (I think?) doing chains at Gordy's shop with Inbred Jed or maybe guilty of treeson. Autotune and Mtronic saws run lean - that is my experience. But, I don't run them hard like you. And, if I think they are getting too hot, I give em a rest ... what about them darn stopped up mufflers and cat mufflers too, if you want to add to your rant. Now, I need to go put a carb kit in, and finish a muffler on another saw. Thanks!
661-500i falling apart It’s a trade off for weight savings and to appease the EPA. 066/660 are absolute tried and true runners. Then the 395 was the best bang for the buck of any saw on the market at the time. Ridiculously simple design and made bull dozer power. Stay safe out there 🌲🇺🇸🌲
Big Phil that's odd I run the 500i and 661 and a 460 all I do is cut don't stop just like you do I just do it for 8 hour days I haven't had a problem new saws are a hit or miss and I use and abuse my saws
Sounds like you got it figured out then!
Yeah I really like them as a production cutter there perfect I run my saws stock I only change out the muffler cover because I like my saws loud lol but I live them the 500 is fuel thirsty but other than that I love them as a production cutter
Freaking hilarious man!!! Love it! Can a standard carb be installed on 661? And it be way cool to cut with you, if it could be work out….. not to race you but to just cut and learn
Be safe….
It has to have the coil too. And you need a bushing kit to stiffen the saw up. Might aswell port it instead and throw it away when it pops.
Agree. Love my 044 and 461
I used to run my saws all day doing line clearance. let me start with my disclaimer, I am a user, not a REAL chainsaw guy. I was like you, pretty hard on my stuff, but within reason. We ran stihl saws… a 201 top handle and a 362. I got out of professional tree work, and into another industry after they fired me while I was on short term disability, but I still do work on the side. Currently I run a 201 top handle, a 361, and I just bought a 660. The more I do on my own on the side, the more I am researching all this stuff, so let me ask you this. If you could have just three saws, what would they be? I don’t know if you climb or trim, because this is only the second video of yours I’ve seen, but three saws… A climbing saw, ground saw, Big saw.
What would you get and why. Make a video and link it, or write whatever you need to in the reply.
I did plenty of climbing work in the past but did not do any pruning, just removals. I did everything with regular saws, because I didn't have enough need to warrant a 201.
If I had to do climbing a lot more often, I would invest in whatever crap top handle got me by, so that would be one of them and I probably don't give a single damn which top handle I got.
Next would be a 390xp because it will do anything I need it to do al the way up to 42 inch bar stuff.
If I had to have a third it would be an 084 beause it was the 7 cube I knew and I loved them.
If I didn't have to have a 7 cube I'd ditch the 390 and have a couple 395s to do both. Although a 390 does damn well up in the tree with a 24 inch bar on it.
Well said.. I understand what you are going through.
LOL! I love your videos. Watching you and Sadie cut is awesome! I am a Piss Fir Willy. 😅 I cut hazard trees, buck logs off of trails and sometimes road/trail side brushing (use the excavator with flail now, work smarter not harder!) I still have 12mm 044 that in my opinion was the best Stihl saw that was produced years ago. So far Mtronics work for me but I do not run them hard like the professionals do. Most of the crap I fall is not green, what is it like? 🤔🤦🤪 Keep the great content coming. Much respect for the working men and women in the Timber Industry. 💪👍
Right on man, thank you! Stay safe 👍🏼
Great video, my dude!! I have to say, i agree with your insight. I have a question about your bit with hot rod saws.... Do you use OEM pleated air filters, or foam filters with oil. I can't seem to find unbiased info on them. Thanks again!
We use foam filters with oil
I certainly don't have the saw knowledge you have and I was a tree climber, so a slightly different industry, but I wasn't impressed by most Stihl saws, especially the new ones.
The plastic components broke all the time when the saws banged into the tree, which is inevitable if you climb. Husqvarnas, Echos and the older Stihls seem to be built more robustly.
I wanted to love the 500i, because the power to weight ratio is fantastic, but it's too expensive and the reliability isn't there. I saw two blow up when run hard.
The 462 actually seems like a decent saw to me. Light weight and doesn't seem to have the reliability issues of the 500i, but I didn't get to use them much before I moved on from that company.
Personally, I went with a hot rod Echo 7310 as my big saw, and couldn't be happier. It's a little heavy (about a 461), but it has plenty of power, and I know I can run it hard without issues. It will probably fail on me faster than a stock saw, but as a climb saw, that's an acceptable cost. Otherwise, I'm paying for it with my body by carrying a bigger saw to get enough power.
I have an ms660 magnum....absolutely no problems....my ms440 magnum I bought in 04...its a real screamer...every bit as good as my 372xp's. That 440 has never ever ever been to a shop, and in 20 years I have cut 15 to 25 cords per year for just me....thats about 300 to 500 cords of wood. Other that chains and a new bar every so often completely trouble free...I personally dont know anyone with these new saws, but I've heard good and bad....ill stick with my old school reliable carbed saws.
Between that 660 and the 44, they will last the rest of your life if you stay up one filters and don't run them too lean and keep good fresh fuel in em.
Link to VOL. 1?
i have had a few beers but I agree with you on everything
My Poulan 245 and several S25's I bought in the 70's are still getting it done. I use good oil and fresh gas mixed 32:1
Any more I'm just too old and feeble to run the big saw much if I have a choice.
Dont you mean the 661?i had a 241c , it was junk! It was a carb problem from day 1out of the box,
You hit the nail on the head!
Great rant leaned a lot. I did feel like the ending was a safety Brief in the Army.. Don't beat your wife. Don't drink and drive. Don't sleep with the generals Daughters. Don't sleep with the Generals Wife. Don't get F'ed my a "Mawho" Don't piss on the Navy Base front entrance Sign lol.
Don't know Sadie but neither of you should give 1/2 a shit what anybody but God thinks! I own all zero stihl saws no ms in site 08 is my fav right now but I'm a firewood maker and amateur at that.
Awesome opinion brother! F the haters, question is are u making the switch to husky? And would u give the 592 a shot??
This an in depth analysis. This is great when saws are such a hefty ass investment.
Im looking at snagging a used 500i - "MS 500i is the first ever chainsaw on the worldwide market with electronically controlled fuel injection."
is this the mtronic crap you're referencing?? saw newbie here, thanks!
Yes, that is what is being spoken about here.
@@timberfallingcouple what are your make recommendations for 50-70cc saws?
Man, that’s some funny shit I really like watching you and your wife’s videos always wanted to be a timber, Faller
Thanks man!
I love this video because you hit EVERY SINGLE POINT I talk about. People don’t want to admit that those 661s/500 suck. I personally run all 0 series stihls and 2/3 series husqvarnas. The 461 was the best damn upgrade saw ever. I love my 390s I’ve had and I’m happy I have a “new” one and I have to say those 585s are amazing they are a good upgrade from the 390. The 3 series gets shit on for the screws backing out and small issues but the same people I find are in denial about the 661 solenoid issues. I love all saws but the 390/395 and 066 were and forever will be the best true timber cutting saws out there the new ones can’t compare. But hey that’s what some guy on the internet says but I’ve seen a lot and worked on a lot. But great video brother and you and Sadie are both badass cutters I’d love to meet and cut with some day
The 500i is probably the most hyped saw ever made. You couldnt talk about it on forums without bots showing up.
True that. Thanks for the support and feedback man. Really appreciate it!
Can you please make a video on how to tune a saw?
Yes I absolutely can
Buddy,I enjoyed this video. I used to heli log for 13 years here in British Columbia and then went and became an arborist climbing trees. Ive worked with a lot of cool fallers and some complete culls as well,hell, I was a bit of a cull from time to time 😂, I miss those wet coast,foggy logging days . I currently have a wicked 066,a nice low hr 038 magnum 2 and an ms 200T for climbing,love the old saws.
Agree 100 %
Well hell I'd love to come out on a jobsite and cut with you but for the learning not the nut swinging got all my own gear know some basics just looking for a master splinter to teach.
Start stock piling 395xp’s while you can!
Oh! I had to click on this one!!!
Ive blew up a few car engines and bikes but never a chin saw 😅 shows how much i cut with it 😂
I totally agree with you. Thanks
I ran my 661 for a week and got rid of that garbage, already aware of the issues I tried one and even if it did run well I strip saw and limbing and bucking with that annoying ass rev limiter drove me insane. I went back to my 066.
Amen
Any squatch up there?
New sub, for speaking the truth.
Appreciate it man!
The 585 was mentioned at the end.
That's a piece of equipment that is worth getting to know, if you meet a piece of hardwood that overwise would prove itself to be exceptionally tough and mean. From a saw person's perspective (I'm not talking about large pines or softwood, I'm talking stuff that is like a boxer with a chin made of stone). You're not going up against that timber with anything less than your best, as far as .058 full cisel goes, in whatever brand that you have faith in. I did get out of the last unused Husky 372 that was available. And I've settled now on a semi chisel archer, with a .058 Husqvarna 24 inch heavy duty type of bar that I run it with. Just to process and saw up my hardwoods for fencing end poles. Because the 372 is a saw the veterans in logging grew up with, and I wanted to get to know that tool. But when a tree is still vertical, and it will laugh back at you if you touch it with most saws. That kind of hardwood. I don't mess around, the 585 has been solid for me. And for softwood felling, it's equally reliable. I tended to use the 585 with semi chisel on 28 inch Husqvarna bars for the softwood, and I tend to drift down to 24 inch Husky or Oregon bars for hardwood.
I didn't have a 24 inch Husqvarna bar at the time I got the 585 this year for it. So I use a 24 inch Oregon lighter bar. Since that I added a couple of heavier duty 24 inch Husqvarna bars to my selection (those things aren't inexpensive I learned either). But I'm delighted that I did. As I said for horizontal log processing and shaping with the 372 saw, that heavy Husqvarna 24 inch bar is working out so far. And I've used a lot of different 20 inch bars for a while now. The Oregon 20 inch semi chisel chain I got not long ago makes real nice chips when cutting hardwood. However, having used the 24 inch with some Archer semi chisel lately, except for smaller wood, I think I'm done with 3/8 inch pitch chains and bars in the 20 inch dimension. I always say that though, and something comes up, typically tree care work. Where I find all of my larger saws getting 20 inch bars and chains on them (I think it is that I hand file, and except for my own personal use I'm not willing to spend a day filing a selection of 24 or 28 inch chain). Just for tree care work outside.
Is that an owl on the roof, wait, are those spots? On no, love stinks. Old timers know that for sure.
My first saw was a 1988 Husqvarna 281XP, and it wouldn't die. I ran it 6 hours a day for 14 months falling timber in Oregon. Then bought a Stihl O64 and made the 281 my back up. The 281 did vibrate a lot and the O64 was smoother and well balanced. But I only got 11 or 12 months before it blew, so I used the Husky while it got rebuilt. I cut for 4 years, using 064s, then joined the Coast Guard to fly on rescue helicopters, and sold the Husky to my father in law. He used that saw a fair amount cutting firewood, and 3 years later, I got out of the Coast Guard and went to work falling timber for him, with that same 281 still on the same piston! He ran the cat, and I cut and sat chokers. The oiler finally went out and the shop loaned me a 394XP while they ordered the part. That saw was so smooth and much lower on vibration, plus more power, so we bought it and made the 281XP the landing saw. And it got used bumping knots on the landing for the next few years. I'm about to buy a new saw. What would you suggest for a 36" bar? 390, or 592 perhaps?
I'd buy 390 or 395 for sure! Great saws. But they have their issues. If you get one of the above, send us an email and I'll talk to you about common maintenance problems to keep an eye out for and they will last years and years
@@timberfallingcouple Thanks, I appreciate that. The 592 is similar weight to the 390, and more power, but I was wondering if the older, less powerful 39O might be the more tried and tested option. And, in most cases, you don’t get a more powerful saw at the same weight without trading something. Usually reliability. Like you, I never hot rodded my saws. I like reliability over sheer power, and I am a firm believer that a sharp chain is more important. A well ground chain off a Simington makes way more difference than 500 more rpm.
Well another thing to note is that if you have good torque, they make 8 tooth sprockets. And I run them, and they run well with a sharp chain.
I can't speak to a 592 because I've never run them. I don't know how they do. I know if I was scared a 390 wouldn't have enough power, I'd buy a 395, put an 8 tooth sprocket on it and literally want for nothing.
If I wanted a light fast saw I'd get a 390 or a 372 even and have a nice fast l8ght saw.
I don't personally have any use for a 460/461/500i/372 sized saw at this stage in my career, but if I did, 461 or 372 is where I would go.
I consider a 390 to be a perfectly equal, perhaps even more capable analog to a 660.
And I consider a 395 to be more analogous to an 056 or 2100, 6 cube saw than a 5.5 cube saw.
Just my experience. Your mileage may vary.
I also have found that if you keep your plastics snug and replace plastic parts and keep blue loctite on your plastics screws, a 395 is absolutely without a doubt the longest lasting saw made in the last 30 years. 660/066 being a close second. Then 390xp
@@timberfallingcouple My 281XP only made 5.7 hp, and my 064 only 6.3, and I dropped plenty of 4, 5, and 6 foot trees with both of them, so I don't think I would need much more power than that. And they were both quite manageable limbing with a 36" bar. A 390 at 6.5 hp is more powerful than both of those at a nearly identical weight to the 064, so it would probably be my best overall option for both falling and limbing. The 592 is only slightly heavier, but I kind of wonder about the reliability of a much newer model when the 390 has been around nearly 20 years. The 390 is so close in weight and power to the 064, and that was a great all around saw for me. And that old Husky 281 amazed the shit out of me just how long it ran, so maybe the 390 might be right in the sweet spot.
@@timberfallingcouple Well, I just pulled the trigger on a 390XP. It was a tough choice between it and the 592XP. They had the 390 but I waited for them to get the 592 in and handle them both side by side. The 390 felt lighter. Husky lists the 592 as only 0.2 pounds heavier, but I could feel a noticeable difference with each in hand. I saw some channel where a guy weighed them both, and he said the 390 was half a pound heavier. Well maybe my arm is out of calibration, but the 592 felt a good pound heavier. And I also like that the 390 is tried and proven and simpler technology. As well as a couple hundred dollars cheaper. My 281 did ok at 5.7hp with a 36" bar, as did my 064 at 6.3hp and the 390 makes 6.5hp. Yeah, the 592 makes more power, but I am more about reliability, and a sharp chain versus horsepower. I got it set up with a Husky 36" light bar, and Oregon full chisel, full comp chain. Now I have a lot of wood to cut, and down the road I will be getting a Simington grinder again.
What about a 650 magnum
Awesome rant dude!!!!! Lol
I have looked after my 660 and it has looked after me. First time i stripped it down to clean the clutch and grease the bearing i thought, yes, this saw is engineered properly.
Its the only saw i have not killed. Its heavy, thats my only slight gripe.
These idiots that buy tuned saws and pipe's ! Seriously, thats asking for trouble. All that money to save a second in the cut only to have the saw shit itself within months. Stupid. Stihl is loosing the plot.
Stupid engineering this electronic carburetors junk . Same goes for Husqvarna auto tune. Saws will go into default or compensate mode when there is an airleak. Yup it will blow your engine in short order without warning. They want to try and reduce emissions as much as possible. It's just a gimmick in the end. Husqvarna auto tune is a nightmare. The diagnosis software update tool needs to be linked to the Husqvarna site to get access in troubleshooting solenoid valves or sensors on your saw. Plus the module harness needs to be attached to the diagnostic tool and then a laptop to gain access to the history of the saw and last calibrations. Really stupid just for a saw and you need to be a Husqvarna dealer to gain access to the mothership Husqvarna site. Waste of time. Conventional carburetor adjustments were and are always better.
Lol I learned that same thing. I don't need to be greedy. I cut 100 plus trees last year. With a sharp chain and a C's 400. Fast. Delimed then to. Hauled away. I learned I don't need hot rods. Do need west cost dogs. Which I now stamp out my self to.
O66 mag o46 mag best saws ever made.
Yes sir 👏 👍👌
Dude its true i dont run my hot rod saws as much since im older now
I understand.
Maybe give a 585xp a try?
I have a Stihl 038. Starts in 2 pulls. I don't use the saw very much, but it has been reliable.
Where's Vol 1?
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@@timberfallingcouple Cheers
@@timberfallingcouple Personally I wont ever buy a saw with more electronics than apollo 13.