@@jaya1000 For me, Tatsu and Viper are neck and neck. Viper is way better than West Coast Racers, which should have a 48 inch height requirement. It's basically a family coaster. Batman is fine but I'd still take Viper over it. Riddler hasn't aged well and should be converted to sit down.
Very random suggestion for a future video, but I would love to see a ranking of the top 15 or so roller coaster logos. I think it's something that often gets overlooked, but we all have favorites and least favorites. The current logo for the bat at Kings Island is one of my favorites, as it uses the A as an upside down bat 🦇
Premier rides could possibly rebuild the whole entire coaster. If Kings Island really wanted to bring it back, they could replicate the arrow looper version of Vortex with same similar supports and track and have S&S get the arrow trains for it since the original Vortex trains are already on Carolina cyclone at Carowinds They can most likely replicate those trains that Vortex used to have and they could rebuild a replica of the bats old station. That would be pretty cool 🙂🎢🟦🟧🦾
I do agree that Rock 'n' Roller Coaster should get the Loch Ness Treatment. I rode it last summer after it reopened after an extended refurbishment and I found it to be pretty rough. I hope that the extended refurbishment it is currently under smoothes it out some. I would also love to see treatment come to both Viper and Gold Rusher at Magic Mountain (add some theming to Gold Rusher, new trains and some smoothing out on Viper).
I'm an American enthusiast and I rode Goudurix a few weeks ago. Honestly, it does not deserve the overwhelming hatred. It is by no means a good ride, but it has a wonderful cushion on the back that makes the experience way more pleasant. As long as it stays there, my top pick would be Viper. A retrack would bring people away from X2 and shorten the lines because Viper is actually really good, even now.
While not specifically Premier Rides specific, I'd love to see ideas on plusing up the presentation on these rides as well. I like the thematic additions to Loch Ness Monster. They really add to the experience and show that there park really cares about this legacy. I think any of these rides with some retracking and some thematic surprises would really be fun. Desperado having more cowboy stuff. Big Apple Coaster with the roof tops decorated to look like a big city. Dragon Mountain with an enclosed tunnel for three helix. I mean, the Loch Ness Monster idea would fit pretty well there. Or they could just make it a cave. Blue Hawk might benefit with some water features like a fountain or even rock work with a water fall. I'm sure there are plenty of things they could do to really sell the idea of the upgrades.
I'd imagine a Dragon Mountain re-tracking would also come with additional scenery/theming and lighting effects in the tunnels. I also think Canada's Wonderland's Dragon Fyre could also be a possible candidate for a re-tracking, assuming they are interested in keeping it around.
I think Cedar Point's Corkscrew should be pretty high on this list. During Top Thrill 2 preview, Corkscrew and Magnum were the only other coasters open and there were many Corkscrew trains less than half full. I think CP wants to keep it for the iconic corkscrews over the pathway and it's always been a nice coaster to bridge between the kiddie rides and the huge extreme thrill coasters. I'd like to see the original train, but would love if the could somehow rework the seat and restraint.
I'm mixed on it. I feel like they've been holding onto it for the history and the iconic corkscrew over the midway. But it's also had low attendance for at least 20 years. If it had a more valuable plot of land, I don't think it would've lasted as long as it has. I don't think they'll scrap it unless the right coaster project comes along, but with CP, it'll always come to that because of space limitations
I don't know, Anaconda feels a little dubious to me. It's not that popular, especially compared to something like Nessie, which is absolutely adored by the same area that Anaconda is in. (Remember, Loch Ness is an ACE landmark and maybe the most famous coaster in the area) It's layout is also not particularly good. Maybe they'll give it new trains, but even a retrack feels like a stretch, let alone a proper refurbishment. The only reason I think they even keep it around is because it would be so hard to fill its plot with something else.
After the rumored big bad wolf revival, Bgw should put a coaster that starts in the old Irish 4d theater and winds around the wooded area by the parking lot and the lake. Perhaps some sort of spinning coaster with a mythical theme?
For what it's worth since you mentioned Premier trains for Magnum, Premier could very easily just build new Arrow-spec trains like they did for Trailblazer at Hershey in the early 2000s or like S&S did for Lochness Monster a few years ago. Honestly insurance and lawyers would dictate that more these days.
I was hoping viper at magic mountain would be on this list. I really love that coaster and would love to see it stay for a while longer. Its so iconic to the park.
It’s pretty plausible too since CP went through the effort of refurbishing something like TTD to TT2 despite all the problems it’s given them over the years, and converting Mean Streak to Steel Vengeance so there’s precedent for CP refurbishing existing rides
Magnum desperately needs different trains. I was really enjoying it until it started to bash my knees in, which can easily be fixed with better seating.
I can definitely see Magnum getting this treatment, especially with Cedar Point's recent mentality of re-working rides instead of replacing them. Meanstreak becomes Steel Vengeance, Dragster becomes Top Thrill 2, etc.
I think this one should have been number one. Magnum is famous and still draws the crowds, it's an ACE landmark and a coaster that Cedar Point clearly still cares about. A retrack and general refurbishment isnt a matter of if, but when for Magnum.
@@nerfer1091 It's definitely got it's place as a historic ride... But then, Loch Ness Monster does too. That ride was a big deal when it opened, and its pretty iconic for it's interlocking loops alone. I definitely think Magnum should get that treatment eventually. I just wish Kings Island would have done it to Vortex. That ride was pretty significant too. It deserved to be saved.
Goudurix is one of those coasters I've had the displeasure of riding. I'd say tear it down and replace it with a modern Vekoma looper with the intensity of Lech coaster.
Glad Magnum is on this list. I feel like you'll have to pry that coaster out of Cedar Point's cold dead hands. It's one of their record breakers, like Millennium and Top Thrill, and just as they bent over backwards to save Top Thrill despite it being a maintenance nightmare, I think they'll always do the same for Magnum and Millennium.
Magnum seems like a gimme for a refurbishment at some point. They're gonna keep that one around as long as they can and it's getting up there in years.
I absolutely agree with your #1 Viper is my first ever looping coaster and at my home park, they have kept it maintained very well over the years. The sections I would like to be re-profiled is the entrance and exit of the batwing element where you get the most headbanging. What you may not know is Boomerang (at the same park) got 3 new sections of track during the off-season from Vekoma.
@@DJ_I.T.-BrianWattz The entire problem with Matterhorn is they calculated the centerline as the center between the tracks and not the rider's heartline. Imagine being on the deck of a boat as opposed to on a mast. I think they would have fixed it if they could but because of all of the rock work and near misses there's probably no room to actually fix it.
I could see this, but I feel like Disney would go with Vekoma for that sort of project considering their relationship with them. Almost all of Disney's coasters have been built by Vekoma and Vekoma has a lot of experience with those early Arrow designs considering their history.
Viper will always hold a spot in my heart as my first inversions. Please keep it around. Also cross my fingers Dragon Mountain does get that upgrade. As a southern Ontarian I'm very interested in this whole new ownership thingy and what it could mean.
Great video. The only feedback I have is I don't think it matters so much that Premier is the company who does the retrack work. It's more important that it gets done whether it is Premier. S&S, Vekoma, Chance, SMC, etc.
Blue Hawk is a forgotten looper. I don’t know why that is but it’s a unique Vekoma looper that has the rare butterfly inversions. I would mind seeing it getting an overhaul by Premier so it can operate better than it ever has been at some point in the future.
An overhaul for Viper at DL would be so hype, that's my home park and my entire family considers Viper to be a cornerstone of the park, an absolute classic.
This may have been the best Arrow Coaster (2006) I have ridden. Even though Viper has more loops and X is a freak, I would argue the setting of this coaster and the light theming make this more memorable experience. The Big Bad Wolf also was a better experience than other Arrow suspended coaster I rode (Ninja at Magic Mountain). It's the terrain, trees and the river.
Another thing to consider is that S&S acquired Arrow's parts and blueprints. I'm sure they could service old Arrows too. Now, the question of whether a park would even want to go with S&S given the problems their coasters are having is a different question lol
Demon at great America is a classic, and is two years older than the Loch Ness Monster, opening with the park in 1976 as Turn of the Century. I used to marathon it because,of the amazing airtime hills,in the back. I didn’t know what airtime hills were back then, but loved them. Then after 1979 they renamed it Demon, took out the airtime hills, and replaced them with vertical loops. I was really sad about this, since they had Tidal Wave if you wanted a vertical loop, but we were told that the hills had too many negative g’s and were destroying the track. I hope it doesn’t get removed since it and the Whizzer are original to the park.
You are prob right ab SFDL Viper. They are very smartly maintaining what they have (to the point of re tracking Boomerang in certain areas). They just refurbed/are reopening a waterslide that sat closed for a while as well. If you can't get anything new, mine as well keep up what you have.
I went to Busch Gardens 2 weeks before they closed lochness monster and I honestly thought that it was running smooth and I think that busch gardens could have waited at least 5 more years before doing this big overhaul
Big Loop at Heide park is another great contender in my opinion. It's important to the parks history and generally liked by park goers. But it's also beginning to show its age. Heide Park completely retracked Colossos in 2019 and reprofiled their SLC last season. Maybe they they'll do the same for Big Loop.
Ive always wondered why the discomfort of these old coasters cant be addressed with more comfortable trains? In this day and age why couldn't an improved coaster train comined with lap bars or more forgiving over the shoulder restraints be an option?
I think Tennessee Tornado & Viper (SFMM) would last longer if they got the Nessie treatment. That would be very cool to see considering Dollywood did excellent themeing on Lrod & Big Bear Mountain.
I saw recently on Darien Lake’s IG that they had track parts replaced on their Boomerang, so I’m definitely in the camp of Viper getting some work done.
would have said anaconda, but i think everyone knows K D will eventually scrap it for something more modern. also Steamin' Demon getting snubbed was a tiny shock.
Gemini at Cedar Point? I know its mentioned as a site for replacement since its such a big footprint but its a classic arrow that can really be a people eater if they plus it out some.
I know there are rumors about Khumba at BG Tampa. I rode this last fall and the layout is insanely good. I personally like it as-is, but it was a walk on for the entire day so many I'm in the minority. I would rather see some updates made to the ride than its removal. It's a fantastic roller coaster and it's a long ride.
Love Desperado,when I rode it in 2007 it was very smooth and running very fast.One of the best Hypers out there and its location,The Big one needs to be torn down.Its a mine train.
Magnum XL-200 seems very plausible. Considering it’s the original hyper coaster, it’s an ACE landmark like you said, and Cedar Point already went through the extensive effort of keeping the other height record breaker, Top Thrill Dragster, and refurbishing it to Top Thrill 2 instead of just scrapping it despite the accident controversy, and having RMC covert Mean Streak to Steel Vengeance so there’s two precedents for restoring bad rides already. CP probably wouldn’t want to scrap it so they can still have the 200, 300, and 400 foot record breakers active, too.
Python at Efteling was really smooth when I rode it last year. Almost two smooth because it didn’t have the forces I thought it would have. Magnum, Tennessee Tornado are the ones I would want to be saved at all cost. Especially magnum.
Interesting to me that I've ridden only 20 roller coasters ever, and several of the that short list have made it onto this list, in need of updating -- Rock N Roller Coaster, Canyon Blaster and what used to be called Manhattan Express.
I wonder if Chance would be even better for a project like this since their coasters are very similar to Arrows and they could put their lapbar-only trains on it.
Anaconda definitely isn’t going anywhere, esp after the retheme of that area around it. It’s still not a great ride but it’ll def be there for the long haul
How serendipitous. I just visited Over Georgia for my first time on Sunday. Rode everything there (except Kid Flash cause it was closed) and Blue Hawk was by far the worst and most painful coaster I rode there, even worse than Scream Machine. I do not like those Vekoma trains and the transitions were very rough and painful. It was the coaster that immediately came to mind when I saw this video pop in my feed and lo and behold, it's high up there.
Honestly I'd love to see Six Flags do something about Mindbender at SFOG. The new trains absolutely ruined in the experience and were a complete fail as a revamp. Kraken at Sea World Orlando needs a retrack as well. It's running rougher than I could have imagined it would ever be when I first rode it back in 2002. And while we are in Florida I'd much prefer to see them retrack Kumba rather than replace it. If they are going to scrap or get rid of something in BGT it probably needs to be Scorpion. I like it but it's too small and too short and it's pretty long in the tooth.
Always wondered if Magnum could run better with the Arrow trains that you see on so many of their loopers. The ones they used are more of mine style like what you see on Ceder Creek mine ride and Gemini. Keep the paint job though.
With regards to the big one, i believe the plan is already to retrack the entire ride over the course of many seasons. And the same company are doing the same thing to Colossus at thorpe park. (Feel free to correct me if i am wrong).
I like the viper idea for Darien lake. Mostly because it’s my home park. I am interested to see if premier will give the lochness treatment to anyone else.
They should’ve kept and restored big bad wolf. I rode verbolten the other day and it gave me a headache. It’s an ok ride but big bad wolf was so much better
Although not really in the same ballpark as most of the coasters in this list The Smiler at Alton Towers is one that needs new track, trains or something! the way it runs so rough after just 11 years makes me think it might not last the 25-30 years that is seemingly the steel coaster standard.
If they wanna gamble on one that could become a bigger deal, it's gotta be Viper at MM. Give it cool theming, smooth it out, and preserve one of the last arrow megaloopers. Might get it the audience it deserves.
Viper at Six Flags Magic Mountain desperately needs TLC, it's in it's own lightly themed area (unless you count X2, which I guess it's kind of close to) of the park that has lots of potential. Theres nothing else over there, not even a shop. It's so out of the way that everytime I've gone to ride Viper it's always a walk on. It's surprising that it's still operating. It definitely needs new trains, and I think adding a flat ride or something else in that area would really help. Plus giving it fresh paint
No Thunderation?? Hmm. I feel like it was not included because its not super popular, but that being said i still give it a ride any time im there. It is pretty rough but with new track it could really shine again. Plus its silver dollar city, i mean how are you going to have an 1880's themed park and no mine train. They might go the route of building a new version but i really hope they dont.
Yeah, Viper at Magic Mountain has been rough from the very beginning. It was rough the first time I went on it, and it was still just as rough the next time I rode it over a decade later. I always end up coming off of it with a headache. Canyon Blaster at the Circus Circus Adventuredome was the very first looping coaster I ever went on in August of 1994. I'm glad Desperado will eventually reopen. That means I still have a chance to ride it. I still haven't yet. Maybe one day.
There’s an environmental plan that shows *something* is happening to Goudurix by 2030, wether a full retrack or a removal. The area surrounding it is being redeveloped as part of a long-term plan to continue improving the park (including adding a Gerstlauer spinner in 2025 and an Intamin indoor coaster in 2028).
My hope is for Viper at SFMM to get the love it deserves. Even, as you mentioned, Vekoma trains will help and just reprofile a couple of janky transitions. Then repaint the ride and retheme the station.
I wonder what would happen if the triangle points on Magnum got smoothed out in a refurb project. It might get more riders, but those who love it most would be absolutely infuriated
It had one last year too. It’s the only non-water Disney World attraction I can think of that has had two 5+ month refurbishments in a two year period.
I feel like Demon being retracked is very possible because its one of the park's OG iconic coasters. And with a retrack, it would be a perfect intro looping coaster for a younger generation. I just hope they leave the themeing alone, its awesome with its current theme. Not surprised to see Viper here though. I hear that thing is rough but has a decent layout and is pretty iconic in that park.
As far as I know Rock N'Roller coaster just got/is being retracked which is why its been down in stages for so long over the last few years but Ive heard it might be getting a retheme next year because of the age of the theme so its a possible I just dont think it will be the track for a while. For Big Apple yeah I rode it with the old trains because you have to in Vegas ow is all i have to say and it needs it. I was thinking as people have suggested the other Viper could use this treatment if they arnt planning on ripping it out and putting a dive or similar into that area. It suffers a bit because its rough but if it was smoothered out even a little bit i think it would get people back riding it and it is getting to that point of nearly being a historic coaster.
disney seems to have a special relationship with vekoma much like you were saying 6 flags works with premier rides. I could very much see rock n rollercoaster get a facelift as a part of a retheme, considering Aerosmith's recent-ish controvery and disney's initiative to keep updating things, but they would probably want vekoma to do it.
I know this video is about parks wanting to keep an existing layout, but I'd much rather see some of these Arrow and Vekoma loopers get the Chance (Morgan) Treatment and turn some of these inversion focused coaster into airtime machines! I have to believe that Chance Rides has drawings for whatever Morgan did to rework the otsr from Steel Phantom to make Phantoms Revenge. Even if some of the smaller ones with tighter transitions had the use the Hyper GT-X trains I still think it would be way better than all those inversions. I'm not sold Premier's retrack would fix a ride with corkscrews. Nessie just had the 2 vertical loops and they weren't that bad to begin with.
I think for retracking old arrows they can better hire S&S for the job because the preserved the arrow estate already and can make new trains like the old arrow train like they did with Loch Ness Monster a couple years ago
After the success of Loch Ness Monster at BGW, I could Kumba at BGT get retracked in the next couple years. Especially with B&Ms like Hulk and Nemesis getting retracked, I could see the same thing happen to Kumba. It was the most important coaster for BGT, so I could see them keeping for years to come.
Let’s hope Kraken at SeaWorld Orlando does the same. Hopefully with the original Kraken monster. Sure, it’s a B&M, but I hope SeaWorld gives her the love she needs.
I hope Premier can create a new Sky Rocket IV train with more legroom (it might mean going back to 2x2 cars like their roomier LIM trains-and comfort collars AREN'T the issue here, it's the legroom)
Just curious do you think they will retrack some of the arrow mine train coasters since they are getting old (the Carolina Goldrush at Carowinds is still smooth and it’s fun for families so I’m curious if they will to keep them for a long time)
@@AirtimeThrills I was just wondering because I know that there will be a time that they will have to be retrack or be removed easily (you should make a video predicting the future of the arrow mine trains, like when will they start getting retrack)
Thank you for using my idea Chris 🙏
long live magic mountain viper
Top 3 in park. Fight ME
@@Abcdefgx-u9g facts🙏🏼🙏🏼
@ryanstrong1167 its a good ride but that's a wild take
@@Abcdefgx-u9gviper over Batman, riddlers, west coast racers, TATSU? C'mon bro.
@@jaya1000 For me, Tatsu and Viper are neck and neck. Viper is way better than West Coast Racers, which should have a 48 inch height requirement. It's basically a family coaster. Batman is fine but I'd still take Viper over it. Riddler hasn't aged well and should be converted to sit down.
If this becomes premiere's niche they could become a RMC like company for Steel coasters
Very random suggestion for a future video, but I would love to see a ranking of the top 15 or so roller coaster logos. I think it's something that often gets overlooked, but we all have favorites and least favorites. The current logo for the bat at Kings Island is one of my favorites, as it uses the A as an upside down bat 🦇
Sadly, it’s too late for KI’s Vortex 😢😤
Something similar for the Beast would be a decent alternative
Vortex had track replace in the past.
Premier rides could possibly rebuild the whole entire coaster. If Kings Island really wanted to bring it back, they could replicate the arrow looper version of Vortex with same similar supports and track and have S&S get the arrow trains for it since the original Vortex trains are already on Carolina cyclone at Carowinds
They can most likely replicate those trains that Vortex used to have and they could rebuild a replica of the bats old station. That would be pretty cool 🙂🎢🟦🟧🦾
I do agree that Rock 'n' Roller Coaster should get the Loch Ness Treatment. I rode it last summer after it reopened after an extended refurbishment and I found it to be pretty rough. I hope that the extended refurbishment it is currently under smoothes it out some.
I would also love to see treatment come to both Viper and Gold Rusher at Magic Mountain (add some theming to Gold Rusher, new trains and some smoothing out on Viper).
I'm an American enthusiast and I rode Goudurix a few weeks ago. Honestly, it does not deserve the overwhelming hatred. It is by no means a good ride, but it has a wonderful cushion on the back that makes the experience way more pleasant. As long as it stays there, my top pick would be Viper. A retrack would bring people away from X2 and shorten the lines because Viper is actually really good, even now.
Not the Viper I was expecting at the end 😂, awesome video as always
While not specifically Premier Rides specific, I'd love to see ideas on plusing up the presentation on these rides as well. I like the thematic additions to Loch Ness Monster. They really add to the experience and show that there park really cares about this legacy. I think any of these rides with some retracking and some thematic surprises would really be fun.
Desperado having more cowboy stuff.
Big Apple Coaster with the roof tops decorated to look like a big city.
Dragon Mountain with an enclosed tunnel for three helix. I mean, the Loch Ness Monster idea would fit pretty well there. Or they could just make it a cave.
Blue Hawk might benefit with some water features like a fountain or even rock work with a water fall.
I'm sure there are plenty of things they could do to really sell the idea of the upgrades.
I'd imagine a Dragon Mountain re-tracking would also come with additional scenery/theming and lighting effects in the tunnels.
I also think Canada's Wonderland's Dragon Fyre could also be a possible candidate for a re-tracking, assuming they are interested in keeping it around.
Maybe they could actually finish the half built mountain.
I think Cedar Point's Corkscrew should be pretty high on this list. During Top Thrill 2 preview, Corkscrew and Magnum were the only other coasters open and there were many Corkscrew trains less than half full. I think CP wants to keep it for the iconic corkscrews over the pathway and it's always been a nice coaster to bridge between the kiddie rides and the huge extreme thrill coasters. I'd like to see the original train, but would love if the could somehow rework the seat and restraint.
I'm mixed on it. I feel like they've been holding onto it for the history and the iconic corkscrew over the midway. But it's also had low attendance for at least 20 years. If it had a more valuable plot of land, I don't think it would've lasted as long as it has. I don't think they'll scrap it unless the right coaster project comes along, but with CP, it'll always come to that because of space limitations
And it doesn’t take up enough space for another attraction
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Video idea: the last coaster from each major park to be removed, as in the coaster that’s most likely to stay around for the longest
I could almost see King's Dominion doing this with Anaconda--that ride fits heavily in their Jungle Expedition area :D great video btw!
Possibly. My thought on the Anaconda plot is what else could they do there cause of the water. Makes building a bit more challenging.
I only left out anaconda because I don't think KD is committed to keeping it
I don't know, Anaconda feels a little dubious to me. It's not that popular, especially compared to something like Nessie, which is absolutely adored by the same area that Anaconda is in. (Remember, Loch Ness is an ACE landmark and maybe the most famous coaster in the area) It's layout is also not particularly good. Maybe they'll give it new trains, but even a retrack feels like a stretch, let alone a proper refurbishment. The only reason I think they even keep it around is because it would be so hard to fill its plot with something else.
Viper at Magic Mountain i think is next
That's where I'm guessing too!
It's just as iconic as Loch Ness Monster, so that would make perfect sense!
God I hope so
@@TheLoooorrrrreeeeax you and me both. Viper is awesome, its in my top 25
@@HockeyGUY66871 I hate viper prob cuz im super short and the restraints just hit my head constantly
After the rumored big bad wolf revival, Bgw should put a coaster that starts in the old Irish 4d theater and winds around the wooded area by the parking lot and the lake. Perhaps some sort of spinning coaster with a mythical theme?
For what it's worth since you mentioned Premier trains for Magnum, Premier could very easily just build new Arrow-spec trains like they did for Trailblazer at Hershey in the early 2000s or like S&S did for Lochness Monster a few years ago. Honestly insurance and lawyers would dictate that more these days.
Loch Ness is a classic. I hope other historic roller coasters get the same treatment.
I was hoping viper at magic mountain would be on this list. I really love that coaster and would love to see it stay for a while longer. Its so iconic to the park.
I really hope Magnum gets this treatment. It deserves to be saved. I could see Vekoma doing it just as much as Premier though.
It’s pretty plausible too since CP went through the effort of refurbishing something like TTD to TT2 despite all the problems it’s given them over the years, and converting Mean Streak to Steel Vengeance so there’s precedent for CP refurbishing existing rides
Magnum is staying for another 5-10 years though
Magnum desperately needs different trains. I was really enjoying it until it started to bash my knees in, which can easily be fixed with better seating.
I can definitely see Magnum getting this treatment, especially with Cedar Point's recent mentality of re-working rides instead of replacing them. Meanstreak becomes Steel Vengeance, Dragster becomes Top Thrill 2, etc.
I think this one should have been number one. Magnum is famous and still draws the crowds, it's an ACE landmark and a coaster that Cedar Point clearly still cares about. A retrack and general refurbishment isnt a matter of if, but when for Magnum.
@@nerfer1091 It's definitely got it's place as a historic ride... But then, Loch Ness Monster does too. That ride was a big deal when it opened, and its pretty iconic for it's interlocking loops alone. I definitely think Magnum should get that treatment eventually. I just wish Kings Island would have done it to Vortex. That ride was pretty significant too. It deserved to be saved.
Lochness Monster was as good in 2019 as when I first rode it in 1982!
Great video! I really enjoyed watching this! Canobie Coaster likes Goudurix too. He said they got the forces right.
Canobie does have his occasional out-there views.
@@StamfordBridge Ok.
@StamfordBridge I heard he likes bandit zamperla volares and Togo coasters 💀
@HugeRMCFanBoY-bx3od Oh I see. Yeah.
Goudurix is one of those coasters I've had the displeasure of riding. I'd say tear it down and replace it with a modern Vekoma looper with the intensity of Lech coaster.
Vortex is my favorite arrow looper
Same, I loved that arrow
Same here
It’s always great to see my home park in these videos
I could see Dragon Mountain having more themeing added before being retracked
Glad Magnum is on this list. I feel like you'll have to pry that coaster out of Cedar Point's cold dead hands. It's one of their record breakers, like Millennium and Top Thrill, and just as they bent over backwards to save Top Thrill despite it being a maintenance nightmare, I think they'll always do the same for Magnum and Millennium.
Magnum seems like a gimme for a refurbishment at some point. They're gonna keep that one around as long as they can and it's getting up there in years.
Thunderation at Silver Dollar City would be a great candidate 🙌
Absolutely, especially among the mine trains this is #1
I absolutely agree with your #1 Viper is my first ever looping coaster and at my home park, they have kept it maintained very well over the years. The sections I would like to be re-profiled is the entrance and exit of the batwing element where you get the most headbanging. What you may not know is Boomerang (at the same park) got 3 new sections of track during the off-season from Vekoma.
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Speaking of Viper, what about Viper at SFMM? Large Arrow coaster, uncomfortable, at a Six Flags park, etc.
I could a Premier re-tracking happening to Matterhorn or either of the Space Mountain coasters at Disneyland and Magic Kingdom
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The problem with Matterhorn isn't the track. The Centerline was miscalculated therefore it will always be rough.
@@oblivieon1567 what happens if it's single rail to that? Wouldn't they have a little give then.
@@DJ_I.T.-BrianWattz The entire problem with Matterhorn is they calculated the centerline as the center between the tracks and not the rider's heartline. Imagine being on the deck of a boat as opposed to on a mast. I think they would have fixed it if they could but because of all of the rock work and near misses there's probably no room to actually fix it.
I could see this, but I feel like Disney would go with Vekoma for that sort of project considering their relationship with them. Almost all of Disney's coasters have been built by Vekoma and Vekoma has a lot of experience with those early Arrow designs considering their history.
3:43 ninja is not that bad. My hp is SFSL. It's not as rough as people say but I would like to see it get the Loch Ness treatment
Viper will always hold a spot in my heart as my first inversions. Please keep it around. Also cross my fingers Dragon Mountain does get that upgrade. As a southern Ontarian I'm very interested in this whole new ownership thingy and what it could mean.
Great video. The only feedback I have is I don't think it matters so much that Premier is the company who does the retrack work. It's more important that it gets done whether it is Premier. S&S, Vekoma, Chance, SMC, etc.
I went to BGW way before it opened sadly
Surprise one might be Thunderation at Silver Dollar City. It’s starting to get a little rough
It's been very rough for a long time. It definitely needs help.
Blue Hawk is a forgotten looper. I don’t know why that is but it’s a unique Vekoma looper that has the rare butterfly inversions. I would mind seeing it getting an overhaul by Premier so it can operate better than it ever has been at some point in the future.
An overhaul for Viper at DL would be so hype, that's my home park and my entire family considers Viper to be a cornerstone of the park, an absolute classic.
This may have been the best Arrow Coaster (2006) I have ridden. Even though Viper has more loops and X is a freak, I would argue the setting of this coaster and the light theming make this more memorable experience.
The Big Bad Wolf also was a better experience than other Arrow suspended coaster I rode (Ninja at Magic Mountain). It's the terrain, trees and the river.
Another thing to consider is that S&S acquired Arrow's parts and blueprints. I'm sure they could service old Arrows too. Now, the question of whether a park would even want to go with S&S given the problems their coasters are having is a different question lol
Demon at great America is a classic, and is two years older than the Loch Ness Monster, opening with the park in 1976 as Turn of the Century. I used to marathon it because,of the amazing airtime hills,in the back. I didn’t know what airtime hills were back then, but loved them. Then after 1979 they renamed it Demon, took out the airtime hills, and replaced them with vertical loops. I was really sad about this, since they had Tidal Wave if you wanted a vertical loop, but we were told that the hills had too many negative g’s and were destroying the track. I hope it doesn’t get removed since it and the Whizzer are original to the park.
You are prob right ab SFDL Viper. They are very smartly maintaining what they have (to the point of re tracking Boomerang in certain areas). They just refurbed/are reopening a waterslide that sat closed for a while as well. If you can't get anything new, mine as well keep up what you have.
I just wish that they would've refurbished the Giant Wheel instead of scrapping it.
I went to Busch Gardens 2 weeks before they closed lochness monster and I honestly thought that it was running smooth and I think that busch gardens could have waited at least 5 more years before doing this big overhaul
3:46 uh hello, what about Rookie Racer? That WAS a new ride added to St. Louis!
yeah yeah that's true. Family coasters notwithstanding
Big Loop at Heide park is another great contender in my opinion.
It's important to the parks history and generally liked by park goers. But it's also beginning to show its age.
Heide Park completely retracked Colossos in 2019 and reprofiled their SLC last season. Maybe they they'll do the same for Big Loop.
Ive always wondered why the discomfort of these old coasters cant be addressed with more comfortable trains? In this day and age why couldn't an improved coaster train comined with lap bars or more forgiving over the shoulder restraints be an option?
I think Tennessee Tornado & Viper (SFMM) would last longer if they got the Nessie treatment. That would be very cool to see considering Dollywood did excellent themeing on Lrod & Big Bear Mountain.
I saw recently on Darien Lake’s IG that they had track parts replaced on their Boomerang, so I’m definitely in the camp of Viper getting some work done.
would have said anaconda, but i think everyone knows K D will eventually scrap it for something more modern. also Steamin' Demon getting snubbed was a tiny shock.
I dont think Dollywood would get rid of TT anytime soon. Just look at the nickname, The Iron Butterfly. It just fits in with the park so well.
I really hope Magnum XL gets this treatment
Would you do a top 10 or 20 arrows still operating?
Gemini at Cedar Point? I know its mentioned as a site for replacement since its such a big footprint but its a classic arrow that can really be a people eater if they plus it out some.
I know there are rumors about Khumba at BG Tampa. I rode this last fall and the layout is insanely good. I personally like it as-is, but it was a walk on for the entire day so many I'm in the minority. I would rather see some updates made to the ride than its removal. It's a fantastic roller coaster and it's a long ride.
Well, you were kinda right. Darien Lake IS getting a big refurb, but it looks like Mind Eraser is getting the NorEaster treatment.
4:31 That cart is gold!
Its a joke itself, the milked churned to butter in the nado. Dont know how I missed that
Love Desperado,when I rode it in 2007 it was very smooth and running very fast.One of the best Hypers out there and its location,The Big one needs to be torn down.Its a mine train.
Magnum XL-200 seems very plausible. Considering it’s the original hyper coaster, it’s an ACE landmark like you said, and Cedar Point already went through the extensive effort of keeping the other height record breaker, Top Thrill Dragster, and refurbishing it to Top Thrill 2 instead of just scrapping it despite the accident controversy, and having RMC covert Mean Streak to Steel Vengeance so there’s two precedents for restoring bad rides already. CP probably wouldn’t want to scrap it so they can still have the 200, 300, and 400 foot record breakers active, too.
Python at Efteling was really smooth when I rode it last year. Almost two smooth because it didn’t have the forces I thought it would have. Magnum, Tennessee Tornado are the ones I would want to be saved at all cost. Especially magnum.
Interesting to me that I've ridden only 20 roller coasters ever, and several of the that short list have made it onto this list, in need of updating -- Rock N Roller Coaster, Canyon Blaster and what used to be called Manhattan Express.
Only thing on your argument for steel phantom is that the designer of steel phantom moved to Morgan
Vortex at Carowinds or bandit at movie park Germany needs it the most
FYI: Vortex at Carowinds is a B&M stand up, not an Arrow looper
Ninja SFSTL!
I wonder if Chance would be even better for a project like this since their coasters are very similar to Arrows and they could put their lapbar-only trains on it.
Anaconda is probably not on here but deserves it. Honestly it’s better than Loch Ness but y’all ain’t ready to hear that yet
tbh anaconda is in the most need of a renovation
LOch ness monster has a great first drop but after that its pretty mid
Anaconda definitely isn’t going anywhere, esp after the retheme of that area around it. It’s still not a great ride but it’ll def be there for the long haul
I’ve been saying this since the first time I rode it. Loch Ness is a mine train with 2 loops, Anaconda is an actual thrill coaster.
Nessie has the iconic factor but i haven’t ridden either so idk
My #2 and #1 would be Carolina Cyclone at Carowinds and Viper at Darien Lake, the first roller coasters with 4 and 5 inversions, respectively.
Kennywood's apparently doing significant renovations to Steel Curtain this year, does that count
How serendipitous. I just visited Over Georgia for my first time on Sunday. Rode everything there (except Kid Flash cause it was closed) and Blue Hawk was by far the worst and most painful coaster I rode there, even worse than Scream Machine. I do not like those Vekoma trains and the transitions were very rough and painful. It was the coaster that immediately came to mind when I saw this video pop in my feed and lo and behold, it's high up there.
Honestly I'd love to see Six Flags do something about Mindbender at SFOG. The new trains absolutely ruined in the experience and were a complete fail as a revamp.
Kraken at Sea World Orlando needs a retrack as well. It's running rougher than I could have imagined it would ever be when I first rode it back in 2002. And while we are in Florida I'd much prefer to see them retrack Kumba rather than replace it.
If they are going to scrap or get rid of something in BGT it probably needs to be Scorpion. I like it but it's too small and too short and it's pretty long in the tooth.
Premier is the steel RMC
Always wondered if Magnum could run better with the Arrow trains that you see on so many of their loopers. The ones they used are more of mine style like what you see on Ceder Creek mine ride and Gemini. Keep the paint job though.
With regards to the big one, i believe the plan is already to retrack the entire ride over the course of many seasons. And the same company are doing the same thing to Colossus at thorpe park. (Feel free to correct me if i am wrong).
I like the viper idea for Darien lake. Mostly because it’s my home park. I am interested to see if premier will give the lochness treatment to anyone else.
They should’ve kept and restored big bad wolf. I rode verbolten the other day and it gave me a headache. It’s an ok ride but big bad wolf was so much better
Although not really in the same ballpark as most of the coasters in this list The Smiler at Alton Towers is one that needs new track, trains or something! the way it runs so rough after just 11 years makes me think it might not last the 25-30 years that is seemingly the steel coaster standard.
Phantom’s Revenge Kennywood. It is currently having issues with its lift hill and maybe they add more theming.
Could you do a vid where you rank the top 10 non roller coaster rides. Flats, water rides, dark rides. Etc.
Magnum just had a train refurbished for this season (new shells/seats), so they're spending some money on it.
If they wanna gamble on one that could become a bigger deal, it's gotta be Viper at MM. Give it cool theming, smooth it out, and preserve one of the last arrow megaloopers. Might get it the audience it deserves.
Viper at Six Flags Magic Mountain desperately needs TLC, it's in it's own lightly themed area (unless you count X2, which I guess it's kind of close to) of the park that has lots of potential. Theres nothing else over there, not even a shop. It's so out of the way that everytime I've gone to ride Viper it's always a walk on. It's surprising that it's still operating. It definitely needs new trains, and I think adding a flat ride or something else in that area would really help. Plus giving it fresh paint
No Thunderation?? Hmm. I feel like it was not included because its not super popular, but that being said i still give it a ride any time im there. It is pretty rough but with new track it could really shine again. Plus its silver dollar city, i mean how are you going to have an 1880's themed park and no mine train. They might go the route of building a new version but i really hope they dont.
Yeah, Viper at Magic Mountain has been rough from the very beginning. It was rough the first time I went on it, and it was still just as rough the next time I rode it over a decade later. I always end up coming off of it with a headache. Canyon Blaster at the Circus Circus Adventuredome was the very first looping coaster I ever went on in August of 1994. I'm glad Desperado will eventually reopen. That means I still have a chance to ride it. I still haven't yet. Maybe one day.
While my parents were gambling I rode canyon blaster 17 times in a row. Did you ride Speed before it closed?
@@Lloyd00 No. Canyon Blaster was the only one I got to ride since it was pay per ride and my mother would only pay for one ride.
Nessie looks more like Shin Godzilla though
There’s an environmental plan that shows *something* is happening to Goudurix by 2030, wether a full retrack or a removal. The area surrounding it is being redeveloped as part of a long-term plan to continue improving the park (including adding a Gerstlauer spinner in 2025 and an Intamin indoor coaster in 2028).
My hope is for Viper at SFMM to get the love it deserves. Even, as you mentioned, Vekoma trains will help and just reprofile a couple of janky transitions. Then repaint the ride and retheme the station.
Magnum in seat 14 is perfection.
I wonder what would happen if the triangle points on Magnum got smoothed out in a refurb project. It might get more riders, but those who love it most would be absolutely infuriated
Rock n rollercoaster is actually going under a extended refurbishment this year which I feel is worth mentioning
It had one last year too. It’s the only non-water Disney World attraction I can think of that has had two 5+ month refurbishments in a two year period.
I feel like Demon being retracked is very possible because its one of the park's OG iconic coasters. And with a retrack, it would be a perfect intro looping coaster for a younger generation. I just hope they leave the themeing alone, its awesome with its current theme.
Not surprised to see Viper here though. I hear that thing is rough but has a decent layout and is pretty iconic in that park.
It’s definitely a good first looping coaster, as it was mine
As far as I know Rock N'Roller coaster just got/is being retracked which is why its been down in stages for so long over the last few years but Ive heard it might be getting a retheme next year because of the age of the theme so its a possible I just dont think it will be the track for a while. For Big Apple yeah I rode it with the old trains because you have to in Vegas ow is all i have to say and it needs it. I was thinking as people have suggested the other Viper could use this treatment if they arnt planning on ripping it out and putting a dive or similar into that area. It suffers a bit because its rough but if it was smoothered out even a little bit i think it would get people back riding it and it is getting to that point of nearly being a historic coaster.
disney seems to have a special relationship with vekoma much like you were saying 6 flags works with premier rides. I could very much see rock n rollercoaster get a facelift as a part of a retheme, considering Aerosmith's recent-ish controvery and disney's initiative to keep updating things, but they would probably want vekoma to do it.
I feel like Anaconda at Kings Dominion would be a great candidate for the phantoms revenge treatment
I know this video is about parks wanting to keep an existing layout, but I'd much rather see some of these Arrow and Vekoma loopers get the Chance (Morgan) Treatment and turn some of these inversion focused coaster into airtime machines! I have to believe that Chance Rides has drawings for whatever Morgan did to rework the otsr from Steel Phantom to make Phantoms Revenge. Even if some of the smaller ones with tighter transitions had the use the Hyper GT-X trains I still think it would be way better than all those inversions. I'm not sold Premier's retrack would fix a ride with corkscrews. Nessie just had the 2 vertical loops and they weren't that bad to begin with.
Scorpion at Busch Gardens Tampa!
I think for retracking old arrows they can better hire S&S for the job because the preserved the arrow estate already and can make new trains like the old arrow train like they did with Loch Ness Monster a couple years ago
After the success of Loch Ness Monster at BGW, I could Kumba at BGT get retracked in the next couple years. Especially with B&Ms like Hulk and Nemesis getting retracked, I could see the same thing happen to Kumba. It was the most important coaster for BGT, so I could see them keeping for years to come.
Very true, depends on the cost, I wonder how committed BGT is to the ride. It doesn't seem super popular
@AirtimeThrills That could just be because it’s in the back of the park. It seems BGT is taking care of ride, considering the new signage around it.
Let’s hope Kraken at SeaWorld Orlando does the same. Hopefully with the original Kraken monster. Sure, it’s a B&M, but I hope SeaWorld gives her the love she needs.
I sure wish they would have done this for Vortex at Kings Island.
I hope Premier can create a new Sky Rocket IV train with more legroom (it might mean going back to 2x2 cars like their roomier LIM trains-and comfort collars AREN'T the issue here, it's the legroom)
Darien Lake Viper, my beloved ❤❤
Just curious do you think they will retrack some of the arrow mine train coasters since they are getting old (the Carolina Goldrush at Carowinds is still smooth and it’s fun for families so I’m curious if they will to keep them for a long time)
I don't know how much the mine trains need it since there's so much less stress on the track. Thunderation is probably the best candidate
@@AirtimeThrills I was just wondering because I know that there will be a time that they will have to be retrack or be removed easily (you should make a video predicting the future of the arrow mine trains, like when will they start getting retrack)