Disney Now Builds Six Flags Attractions | Avengers Campus and W.E.B. Slingers Compared to Universal
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 พ.ค. 2024
- On June 4, 2021, Avengers Campus at Disney's California Adventure opened to the public... and it's quite the land. Showcasing issues with Disney leadership more concerned with toy profits than actual guest experience, it's an alarming sign of the future of Disney parks. Join me today in exploring the history of Marvel attractions at Disney parks and comparing and contrasting Avenger's Campus and it's new ride WEB Slingers, with Marvel Super Hero Island at Universal's Islands of Adventure.
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It’s mind blowing to me that a 22 year old ride is so much better in every possible way than the ride made this year
It's like that in most of the lands there and at Disneyland.
💯- 22 year old … some of the 55+ year old attractions!
I haven’t even ridden the new Spider-Man ride but when I heard it was like toy story mania I was like there’s NO CHANCE it’s better than Universal’s ride.
just like at how they are going to gut splash mountain and replace it with princess and the frog. I happen to have to drive though disney areas to get to work and there is massive amounts of open land.
@@AshDemonYoung Still have to gut it out to re theme. now if I said it was demolishing that's a different story. Not sure why your feelings. But there is an extensive amount of details that needs to be taken out in order to replace its theming Hence the reasons I said gutting out instead of demolishing.
I worked at a local museum where the curator said to me, “we get a LOT of cool donations. It’s hard, but you really have to stick with only what’s relevant to the mission of the museum.” I wish Disney would do the same to their parks. They are becoming Frankenstein’s monsters of attractions that have no relation to one another and straying from the park’s theming
To quote Red from OSP: "As I don't want to duel the eldrich abomination that is the House of Mouse..."
That’s interesting to hear. Makes too much sense though.
Disney is overpriced garbage, only enjoyable if you have nostalgia for it from going there as a kid.
My dad is a classic, small town, meat and potatoes, bury-your-emotions type of guy and I've never seen him so excited than when we went on the Universal Spiderman ride. We rode it 4 times just because it made him so hapoy
That's actually really sweet. I'm glad your dad had a nice time
THATS MY FAVE RIDE!!
When I visited Disneyland this year I was so excited to visit the Avengers campus. Walking through the campus I felt like “that’s it?” It was extremely small and I just felt like it lacked a lot. The characters walking around just looked worn out and like they didn’t want to be there. So I totally agree that it sucks and they could of done a lot more! The shows are pretty cool. I felt bad for Spider-Man when he did his show because he did a lot of work and no one was really clapping or cheering him on. Also the area they put the show in is so hard to pack a bunch of people in to get a good view of the show. It’s a really awkward set up.
I went a few weeks and all there is to do is the Spider-Man ride, meet some Marvel heroes, get food, buy Marvel merchandise, a few shows, and a thrill attraction that has been there since 2017 and that’s it. Not to mention that shoved Avengers ride that was supposed to be coming. A little underwhelmed but at least I got to ride the Spider-Man ride which is basically Midway Mania but using your arms which can get sore real fast. I think it would’ve got more hyped if it opened originally as we were coming off the hype that was Avengers Endgame, but at least Avengers Campus opened months before Spider-Man No Way Home so I guess I can’t complain that much
"Do a flip, Spider-Man!"
You're so right about the Spider-man show. The viewing area is essentially a narrow walkaway with people funneling in from Cars land.
Same
I agree when I walked into the campus that was the first show I saw. I was thinking how cool the amazing Spider-Man! My excitement fell short when there was awkward silence from the crowd. It’s funny how this comment was made 6 months ago but I experienced this last weekend 😂hey the stuntronic is pretty neat I just expected more
Bob Chapek is a genius at destroying Disney's legacy.
This made me miss Iger or Eisner even more before they went insane when their times were up as CEO
@@JonathanGaeta As time goes on, I really miss Eisner more and more. Granted he was a bit of a prick but at least had a passion for creativity and actually attempted to be similar to Walt Disney in terms of charm and personality with his appearances on the Disney commercials.
@@jongon0848 but it kinda went downhill for Eisner after Frank Wells passing, not promoting Jeffrey Katzenberg as president after Frank Wells, the debacles of Euro Disneyland (Disneyland Paris), Disneyland’s 1998 Tomorrowland, and Disney California Adventure, not to mention screwing up the negotiations with Pixar after their contract was up
@@JonathanGaeta Couldn't agree more. I was always a huge Iger fan... he just 'got it'. He really understood what made Disney great. Chapek seems to treat the company like it's Amazon or something, no connection to childhoods or the 'magic', just a cashcow selling Disney 'stuff' to him. He's just not the showman that Iger, Eisner, or Walt were. I really wish Iger could come back.
Bob paycheck
It’s really telling that a kiddie area with carnival rides and a 3D show (a bug’s land) had much better theming and was more fun than an entire land devoted to the Avengers.
i'm still mad about a bugs world, a bugs life is my favorite disney movie and i hate that they got rid of such a great land for low-budget projects like this
@@marleywenzel3207 yes!!! There are dozens of us!!! Lol. I loved bugs life so much as well, and was so upset when I heard they would be tearing it out. Seeing it replaced with all the concrete, one ride, and mostly places just to spend even more money was salt in the wound
The moment they gave up Tower of Terror just to show off their IP cause Marvel
I can only feel disappointment and sadness
It's not surprising. Shrinking down to bug size is a fantastical, fun, imaginative world to be in. The Avengers just live in our world, with the impending threat of half of everyone just being atomized at a moment's notice. Our world is boring. Our world is what I go to Disneyland to get away from.
@@marleywenzel3207 Bugs world was low budget to begin with. Same with half of DCA
A part of the charm of Disneyland over Magic Kingdom in the past for me was that the characters could freely walk around and interact with guests (I haven't been to DLR since Covid though), along with the typical meet & greets. I remember being told that characters walking around didn't even have to take pictures or autographs, or have a line, they were just there out & about - compared to the M&Gs where they have a queue, take photos, give autographs, etc. I have so many fond memories of interactions like Chip & Dale causing trouble in Toontown, Gaston hosting push-up competitions, and Peter Pan pulling pranks on other princesses. I loved the characters being engaged in OUR stories, even though we're "just" guests. It seems Disney has confused this with actual stage show entertainment, and someone really needs to explain to management that it doesn't and CAN'T take the place of a fully fleshed-out stage show. Definitely disappointing that they think one makes up for the other. Both are extremely important to the Disney experience - one enhancing the magical ambiance Disney is known for, and the other being an actual attraction.
From what I was told, the more controlled meet and greets were for the safety of the characters and guests. It’s difficult to see out of those costumes and some guests got hurt when the characters were free to do what they please. Also, sometimes the character would get harassed. So this is more safely controlled so no lawsuits will incur. I loved when they were able to just walk around though. It was fun wondering who you might run into.
@@kellymcdonell9687 there are TH-cam videos you can watch of current and former cast members that did Reddit ask me anything interviews and tell their horror stories and the reason things are the way they are now. One story I heard was of a cast member that was Tigger and had a man pulling his tail super hard almost knocking them down. They didn't have anybody helping them at the time and they yelled stop after being pulled on their butt. The man complained about being yelled at by Tigger and the cast member was written up. Also a lot of stories of princesses being touched inappropriately and not knowing who did it because of a big crowd. Unfortunate that a few A-holes ruin it for everyone.
A (rather pro-Disney but seemingly plausible) web article characterized the shift being driven above all by the advent of *digital cameras* . Before, interactions could be casual and centered around actually interacting with the characters. Now, however, there is no limit to the amount of pictures a family could insist on taking with a character. Every possible combination of family member, numerous poses, oops I didn't like that one let's redo. There was a practical limit before that moderated such behavior and cut short those photo ops by themselves. We've certainly heard general laments about how this has given photodocumentation a new and odd centrality to nearly every leisure moment in our lives; so it has changed this. The characters' "spontaneous," unscheduled appearences around the parks threatened to turn into mob scenes impromptu photo lines, so they were moved to scheduled appearances that were more comfortable and convenient for all. This doesn't excuse the next tempting step, which may have occurred initially without even planners being fully aware of the shift in their thinking, of subtly evolving these photo lines into attractions at the expense of real attractions, however.
@@salvadorromero9712 I'm a costume character at a small regional park and I cannot tell you how INFURIATING it is when we're stuck out in the heat while a family refuses to take a photo because their kid isn't looking at the camera. I can't understand why they'd rather have a "perfectly" posed photo when, instead, they could have an adorable memory of how the child was too fascinated by the characters to look away.
I also hate the feeling of ignoring the kid who just wants to interact with me because the parents expect me to pose for the photo.
The weirdest part of the stunt shows is that they built the building with those giant chunky railings and overhangs instead of at *least* putting in glass instead of opaque railings.
Been going to Disney for years and 100% fact there is a change over last 20 years. More crowded, more dirty and less clean (something Walt would have flipped out for), always construction or key rides down, and more expensive
Agree, Golden age of Disney is over. I remember in early 2000’s it was affordable. Magic was in the air, after the 60th anny; magic started to fade 💔
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This new management is taking all of the magic out of Disney and it’s so sad.
Walt would be rolling in his cryofreeze chamber
As a lifelong Disney fan and WDW visitor, I have only one thing to say...THANK YOU!!! The current leadership is destroying everything I loved about our trips to the parks, our stays at the on-property hotels -- even the dining on property (remembering Cinderella's Castle dining in the early 80's with my parents...it was miles above the nasty menu they serve now!) I keep hoping that the company will wise up, but I see so many "how dare you criticize Disney" posts on Facebook and elsewhere so I know people will continue to go and continue to pay for whatever junk they serve up, for now. I do wonder about once the cooped up COVID demand has worn off...it could all come crashing down. Thank you for being the voice of sanity.
I agree that "pent up demand" has created an odd attendance boost that otherwise wouldn't have likely happened. I also think that WDW's 50th will create an artificial boost and that attendance would have otherwise hovered around where it was in 2019. I think Disney will start losing attendance over the next few years, so I'm interested to see how things play out.
You have summed up my thoughts perfectly. We share a similar WDW background as far as going regularly starting in the early 80s. The 90s were particularly amazing to witness. I just can’t get excited about modern Disney anymore. My last trip was 2019 and I’ve no desire to return at the moment.
@@largol33t1 I really hope you're right. The more people go, the easier it will be for ownership to keep lowering their bar. I'm so sad they replaced the innovations epcot music at the entrance. It's like they are ripping out everything that made Disney world magical, piece by piece.
I think that it is true that there is a problem with the leader ship but at the same time, the leader ship is trying to respond to changes in the economy, with decisions that are not well supported by the fandom. It seems to be more reactive than proactive.
Why does somebody ALWAYS have to drag politics into every damn discussion no matter how little it has to do with the topic being discussed????
Michael Eisner was quite under-appreciated in his time. He had the passion and actually cared about creating attractions for all ages and making the guest’s experience worthwhile. And on the film front, he actually allowed for more risky features to be made through the Touchstone and Hollywood Pictures divisions. Oh how far we’ve fallen.
True story. Disney would have evaporated without Eisner
This! He gave us so many iconic eras of Disney that the kids today are def missing out on. From Disney channel, to Disney animation, Pixar and more, Disney was so much more immersive and engaging during Eisner
Ya if only he made more money to the parks. That was his huge downfall. He did major spending but none would pay of for the stockholders and leadership. Sucks that they only concentrate on what brings the dough, which I get cause they want to recover their loses after the pandemic. However, I think they can do better than just charging every little thing and not bringing any offerings. I am planning on going to WDW this April for their 50th. I am curious to see how it goes. I went to Disneyland last year, and I did have some major negatives. I actually skip the whole Avengers Campus cause their was nothing to do there in our party opinion.
@@Nicole-by3ng I definitely feel you on the Avengers Campus being skippable.
In most historical telling (non-disney-sponsored) history about Eisner, it is clear that he exists in two eras - Frank Wells and Post-Frank Wells. Like Roy did with Walt, Wells collaborated with Eisner's pushes and ideas and gave them the realistic rails to work from, saying no sometimes but backing wholeheartedly when all the contingencies were planned.
Seeing Eisner fall apart after Wells' death and move into a whole other approach wiped out all the work he had done before that.
Early 2000s Disney will forever be the height of value and magic for Disney. No one can tell me otherwise
YESSS! & late 90s Disney too
@@123anythin minus the cake that covered Cinderellas castle LOL.
Yeah ill never forget the 50th celebration in 05'.
Maybe I’m just old, but I’d go older than that. In the 90s, I’d argue they was peak Disney when they started their run of great movies and the parks had the original ride themes as well as Epcot still remaining culture and science focused. Horizons, Body Wars, the OG figment… those were good times.
2000s sucked. 80's was best, then 90's.
You mentioned Avenger's Campus is meant to lead people to buy more merchandise, which I totally agree with having visited in August of this year. What I would add, though, is that the merchandise isn't even that good. I may have missed a shop or two, but I scoured the campus hoping to run into some cool exclusive action figures, collectables, comics or books, T shirts, etc. Instead, I found every shop from the main spider man one, to little kiosks off to the side, all sell the same thing. Web slinger upgrades, spider bots and their accessories, and cheap toys, bags, and clothes mainly meant for kids.
Meanwhile Marvel Super Hero Island in Universal has a pretty awesome comic book shop within where you can buy popular comic book issues, statues and other figurines, really good action figures that are only sold there, just all around really cool merchandise and that is in ONE shop in that land. City Walk in Universal Hollywood has a shopping mall style comic book shop as well that even has better Marvel and other comic merchandise that Avenger's campus. HUGE disappointment!
"just an expensive upcharge for an Aesthetic experience" describes Disney in a nut shell. One of my best experiences at Disney a few weeks ago was the freakin' mini golf b/c it was one of the only places that didn't feel like a giant gift shop
When I worked at Disneyland, some cast members were always irritated with me when I was critical of some of the park’s quality. They probably thought I was being too pessimistic but that’s not true. I’m critical because I absolutely love the potential of Disney. I know they are capable of such better quality. Thus, I will not give Disney a pass just because I love everything Walt’s vision stood for.
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Exactly
Yeah those cast members have no input on what they can set up. Lol I understand what you are trying to do but don’t, it sounds pretty irritating to be in their position and have someone critique them on something they don’t even have a say in 😅, just think about it.
Well the cast members can’t do anything about it . Why are you complaining to the cast members , they didn’t make the park
@@legacysquid0625 You misinterpreted what I wrote. The cast members were my friends and I was venting my frustrations about the quality of the newer lands. I wasn’t putting blame on anyone other than the executives who made the decisions. They just didn’t like my comments because their passion for Disney blinds them from seeing the potential for further improvements. Walt was very critical of the park’s quality and so am I.
When you were describing the Web Slingers, the whole time I was thinking, "gee this sounds like Ninjago at Legoland" and it actually is.
the thing is ninjago is actually a really decent ride unlike webslingers
@@themeparkreel it is!
Holy shit, we've finally reached a point where Disney rides are imitating the AAA video game industry. It's a pay to win ride with microtransactions, I can't believe this is real.
You're one of the two TH-camrs that just flat-out hates Avengers Campus, and I'm here for it. I agree 100% with everything you said in this.
Speaks volumes if you ask me
I'm quite annoyed with the "Disney cult" that will just swallow up whatever poorly designed park expansions and attractions Disney will throw at them. Watching the Target presentation at D23 2019 with people cheering and clapping for a presentation really meant for shareholders is the problem in a nutshell.
Who is the other person I may ask?
@@StarGaleSky7 Ah okay, interesting. I'll have to keep an eye out for any videos related to AC
I thought that fantasy land was amazing with the mine train and be our guest restaurant
@@PoseidonEntertainment Or maybe people just like the additions? Just because a group of people who visit the parks dislike certain additions doesnt mean nobody will like them. Pointing out obvious flaws in leadership and dedication is great, but labeling those who DO like said additions and lands as a "Disney cult" seems like a way of insulting those who disagree with your view. Regardless, love your videos.
Superhero Island at Universal is great fun. It’s a love letter to the comics, as you perfectly said, with that classic aesthetic. It’s a very well done area!
It’s probably something I’ll never see since I have a fear of flying on planes.
this reminds me of back when I was a kid and playing club penguin. Once disney started digging their claws into it, it stopped being about "waddling around and meeting new friends!" and suddenly it was all about making parties advertising their latest movies coming out, and hiding everything fun behind the membership. not to mention how events stopped being about all the fun activities that were available and became mostly a collect-a-thon for costumes; all of which were--once again--connected to their latest ip.
man i remember being a kid and thinking something was up when Disney bought Club Penguin. obviously i had no idea that Disney bought it but i just remember finding myself getting bored so much quicker, things weren’t as charming or fun, etc. a lot of kids can definitely tell when they’re just being sold something or marketed to imo
Disney changed into a mall in the past 10 years…
It’s like you pay money to be allowed to look at advertisements…
But i must say, it really feels good to see other parks still trying.
There has been such a drop in WDW quality since 2017 it's unbelievable
Universal didn’t even have to get better to outshine Disney with their rides. They just had to maintain their same level of creativity while Disney drop kicked theirs into scrooge mcduck’s money bin.
Companies are definitely going to take advantage of Disney’s bad ownership.
Well, for the first 6 or so years, DCA was nicknamed Paul's Mall. He was infamous for flat out saying what the guests wanted were 3 attractions, a bunch restaurants and many merchandise stores. Throw in some meet and greets, and an occasional parade, and you have DCA.
Agreed. I don’t mind diversifying the shops and merch on sale.
But when you do that and don’t do anything else with your rides. Your being super scummy.
I’ll say my favorite part of DCA is that I can watch the Spider-Man animatronic that launches, from Mater’s Junkyard Jamboree, meaning Cars is in the MCU.
I'm just waiting for them to launch the Spider-Car next.
Mater is a Disney Princess
@@PoseidonEntertainment don’t make those jokes. The spider-buggy is real and shall be seen again
Once upon a time... Disney had a standard for quality of the guest experience. I forget the exact book this came from, but it was pointing out the quality Disney once went for: They had statistics on the life span of lightbulbs. When they reached the 80% or so of life, the bulbs were changed. Burned out bulbs were a no no as it would distract from the fantasy. The day a burned out bulb was left in place was the day you knew the magic left the Magic Kingdom.
It is fascinating to see how the modern AAA video game model has migrated to the Disney parks... I wonder how long it will be before loot boxes appear. Pay for a chance at riding the Matterhorn. Maybe you will get Small World... maybe Flight of Passage! *glances at Genie* oh... they did that. And it is even a mobile game. Fantastic.
Funny you say this. I was just at DCA and there were multiple lightbulbs burned out on the ferris wheel. I thought to myself, "wow, I'm not sure if I've ever seen a broken bulb in Disneyland.."
There’s a name for the AAA gaming model: capitalism! Why make some money from happy guests when you can make lots of money from miserable guests?😄
@B.L. Alley oh yeah marketing has become a science and it’s quite dystopian honestly lol. I blame it on Regan getting rid of tv commercial regulations but obviously probably a bit more complex than that lol.
@B.L. Alley You do know that the VAST majority of people playing those games never spend a cent on them. Like, 99% of people who played Diablo Immortal never spent a cent on it, so saying "Yeah, it's because so many people have no impulse control, and are stupid," is completely wrong.
What's happening is that a very small minority of people with little to no impulse control are being exploited because it's better to milk those people for tens of thousands of dollars than to sell a quality product to a thousand people to gain the same amount of money.
@@sophiaoconnell1927 It's mainly that the government is really slow to create and enforce laws regarding new technology.
It took years of crypto rugpulls before laws were written making them illegal, for instance.
Plus, the government is kinda powerless to stop corporations on big issues because their power has gone unchecked for so long. Like, who do you think would win in a fight? The US government using $100 million, or Disney using $1 billion?
The WEB Slingers thing feels like an attempt to mimic Universal's integration of the wands with the Wizarding World. The interactive wands are a bit more expensive than the regular ones but have opportunities around the area to activate animatronics so it appears you are performing the spells. Plus, outside the park, it still looks like a regular wand, and goes well with a costume or cosplay. The WEB Slingers equivalents not only look like cheap toys, but are much more limited in use as they only work on the ride, which adds the disconnect of the toy simply interacting with a screen.
Universal used to own the rights to MARVEL on both east coast and west coast. I remember there used to be a giant HULK statue at the Hollywood park and whatnot, but they gave up the rights because the Marvel brand didnt really help them in Hollywood at the time. But had they waited, I bet they would STILL be using Marvel today on both coasts if they could.
I’m not sure about that. Didn’t Spider-Man Rocks! kind of… fail?
@@PoseidonEntertainment It's true. Marvel still wasn't a thing, so USH just finally gave up trying to figure out how to make them work. They weren't owned by Comcast at the time, so taking over a working soundstage to clone Spider-Man wasn't even on the radar. So they basically had to focus on shows. When that didn't work, they just stopped trying, which allowed their rights to expire.
Universal Studios still owns the rights to the Incredible Hulk and still does use his likeness at its theme parks. The Florida park even has an Incredible Hulk thrill coaster. Sony owns Spider-Man and Venom and I’m sure has a deal with Disney to allow Spidey likeness to be at Disneyland.. 20th Century Fox owned the X-Men, Fantastic Four and Deadpool, but those titles are now under Disney since they bought out 20th Century Fox a few years ago.
I remember going to the Marvel Mania restaurant at Universal City Walk for my birthday one year. They had full costumes and props all over the place. I remember them having TVs literally in your table showing marvel stuff. When I was there it was Wolverine vs Hulk that also played on a giant screen on the wall. Man that place was awesome. They even had sound effects and lighting effects on the urinals in the bathroom that would change the water to look like green slime in a sewer and the mirror would show a character behind you.
Marvel wouldn't be as huge as it is without disney making all the avengers movies after getting the marvel rights. had disney never gotten those rights, they would've never made the movies.
As a former musician at Disney Parks on both coasts I've slowly watched the parks devolve over the last two decades. Park areas that were once bustling with entertainment and life are replaced by an obvious cash grab of an attraction. I imagine the parks will continue to denigrate into places where you spend an exorbitant amount of money to stand in an endless inline for a "ride" lasting less than two minutes.
I remember when I worked at a small historical attraction in the UK, one of our team leaders had a motto: What would Disney do?
The parks were seen as a golden standard for guest experiences, from customer service to immersion in the stories being told. Our attraction unfortunately was using technology that was twenty-five years old and hadn't been updated since it first opened, so we had to find new ways to enhance the experience of our guests. We were trained to ensure that even if our attraction was old, creaky and very much not itself of Disney standard, the human element was. Each costumed character was individual and unique, and we strove to ensure that our guests were the centre of the performance. And sure enough, our attraction was always praised for the quality of its presentation and human element, even if the main event was a bit lacklustre and out of date.
Unfortunately it seems Disney itself would no longer hold up to the standards we applied to our attraction. The guest experience is no longer the primary concern of the parks, instead the focus is entirely on selling merchandise. The attractions have become little more than a way to shuttle people from gift shop to gift shop.
So the new motto would be… “What would Disney not do?”
What was the attraction you used to work on? It sounds interesting. Also, your story is wholesome.
With NWH now being out the movie increases how bad avengers campus looks, especially web slingers. They had so much potential to make web slingers a state of the art multiverse Spider-Man adventure if they waited until 2022 and poured much more effort into it.
I rode WEB Slingers and it was basically Midway Mania but you are using your own arms or weapons you bought to fight spider-bots, and my arms got tired real fast like 20 seconds. I was hyped for Avengers Campus because it was coming out after the triumph that was Avengers Endgame, but with how the pandemic closed the parks and delaying Avengers Campus to 2021 and with it being open all there is to do ride WEB Slingers, meet Marvel heroes, see the character shows, buy merchandise, food and upgrades, and that’s it. There is also Guardians Of The Galaxy but that’s been there since 2017 it’s not really a new addition. I hope it Disney gets new leadership they can fix the problems and maybe revive that Avengers ride they were supposed to build but shelved it, but I highly doubt that
@@JonathanGaeta I agree with everything you said I walked out and those were my thoughts sadly
To the Imagineers' credit, the MCU literally has the most boring and soulless aesthetic ever committed to film, so I'm surprised they managed to get as much as they did out of what must have been a very painful design process
As a die-hard MCU fan: You are absolutely right.
As a also huge mcu and mcu Spider-Man fan. A huge degree of it sadly. The outliners being doctor strange, guardians of the galaxy, ant man, thor and of course Spider-Man off the top of my head.
@@whosmansisthis6624 I remember seeing the first Thor way back when, and I was really blown away by it's colors and visuals. Oh, how the mighty fall...
Imagine if there was a Sony theme park with an Into the Spider-Verse ride that would put all other Spider-Man attractions to shame, just as that movie put all other superhero movies' visuals to shame by making them seem so drab and boring in comparison to me lol
@@whosmansisthis6624 Guardians of the Galaxy has legit the worst artistic design I've ever seen in a major film. That includes Transformers. Nothing looks like anything, and it's all a grey mush.
10:00 -- Universal's Marvel area is amazing and it's definitely a 90's feel, which is a good thing. If anyone's been on Universal's Transformers ride... it's the same exact ride system and it's a great Spider-Man ride.
Transformers at Universal in CA Is awesome, and I want to go back to Orlando to ride that Spider-Man ride. It’s been about 14 years since I was on it and my son has never seen it and he loves spider-man
@@twentyoneplusvideo0472 Oh wow! I couldn't agree more about the Transformers ride in Universal Hollywood (where I'm local) but the the Universal Orlando is so amazing. I honestly wasn't expecting much on the Spider-Man ride but, even though I'm an adult, I still love Spider-Man... and was shocked how good it was. It really felt like that last 80's, early 90's version in the comics but with that Transformers ride system. That whole Marvel area was cool too, because it was like all of the Marvel characters together, unlike the films (before the Disney/20th merger).
the footage did remind me of transformers ride! transformers is a ton of fun, even my dad still talks about it years after riding it. so sad to see what disney did compared to universal’s ingenuity.
I never went on the Spiderman ride cause it was closed every time I went there
@@racool911 Oh really? Man, that sucks... I guess I got lucky. I've only been once and I loved it. Ironically... the Spider-Man ride at California Adventure is always breaking almost every other hour. It's like you have to think if it's worth the gamble standing in line when you might have just wasted an hour. It doesn't look as good as Universal's, though.
When I went on vacation with my family to Disneyland I actually appreciated the Pirates ride more than all of the ONE ride on avengers campus. I know the Pirates ride was updated a few times but the fact that they were so ambitious back in the day to open something like that and the fact that it holds up so well is astonishing to me.
All with practical effects too, i love it 😊
Yea pirates is the best ride at Disneyland imo.
I feel like we’re about to enter another “dark ages” of Disney parks where they release lack lustre attractions and parks, raise prices and attempt to abandon the vital aspects of the Disney DNA like theming. Hopefully the same things happen that happened last time this happens. Ppl stop giving money, new management is installed in response and they go back to what works and build upon those lack lustre attractions in the future. I hope.
I've got friends who work in Disney and apparently the pressure is increasing on Chapek. The leadership sees the writing on the wall. He'll be voted out soon enough.
@@kaned5543i really hope soon iger gets voted out too
I reallly hope someday Universal get the rights to use DC Comics in their parks within my lifetime from Six Flags, it would be more at home in Universal Studios due to Warner Bros owning the rights to it nearly entirely (minus park rights unfortunately). It would destroy Disney's current hero campus if they put the amount of detail they did for Hogwarts into a Gotham City Inspired land. Disney are lazy now easily taking the money, but I have hope in Universal Studios still even if I dislike most of their Screen based rides.
I can't believe Disney made a worse version of the iconic Hero land Universal Studios made 22 years before...
I feel like something is brewing on that. They sell DC Merch in the MIB store now.
The way the contract is written they have to get the rights directly from WB. WB would have to find a way to break the current long term agreement with Six Flags owners (possibly through 2027). WB had has an escape clause in the contract with the current owners of Six Flags, that if another movie or TV company (Disney or Universal) bought the rights to the parks trying to get the rights to the characters, those rights revert back to WB.
@@johncunningham1889 Money. WB isn't in the theme park business and it would be a steady income stream. I am sure the license would be limited to just use in the theme parks. Offer it up to the highest bidder. Imagine if Universal were to dump the Marvel rights (doubt it would ever happen) and retheme to DC. Who knows what will happen with the DC rights once the WB Discovery merger happens. The head of that company (from Discovery) is about profits.
But like why would anyone wanna feel like they are going through a crime ridden city alleyway about to get jumped? I mean I guess Its the same reason people go into haunted houses, but like real crime ridden cities exist, why go into a place that mimics an area like that? it would be better if it's JUST the batcave or Wayne manor
@@Bradon_Ray Why would anyone other than children want to see princesses, ferries, and the exact same characters again and again AND AGAIN in every single park? Yet Disney certainly has plenty of adults who are into it.
This is a great video! Thanks for making this.
Thanks, I appreciate the support!
When your favorite park tuber and your favorite abandoned places tuber interact.
@@PoseidonEntertainment you're the exact type of dude to complain about how the web slinger upgrades are "purely cosmetic" and "don't do anything" but then would turn around to be the exact person who would complain the ride was "pay to win" if it did actually something functional. Lmao, people can never be pleased
@@think.culture it shouldn't be pay to win and it shouldn't be purely cosmetic. Why not aim to give patrons the best experience?
@@MeederC ikr
My dad was the main planner for the Guardians Project and man did I love hearing what went on with that. It sounded like so much fun, I got to meet so many people who worked on the project and got to walk the back lot and I genuinely wanted to be a planner and work for Disney. But after that project it felt like everything went downhill. Especially with Marvelland being as disappointing as it is. Plus it doesn’t help that they are constantly trying to make budget cuts constantly, while not caring about the workers. It sucks that it came down to this shitty leadership with the CEO seemingly like he just wants to go down on paper for the “person who made them the most money”
I’m not going back to the Disney Parks. I am hopeful for D23 through. Still I can’t imagine how we got to this point
dudeee im actually super disappointed The Twilight Zone was replaced, saying thats my favorite ride is an understatement, i miss it :/
I only went to Discovery Island for the first time a couple of years ago and honestly had no idea that the Spider-Man ride was so old. I thought it was a relatively new sim type ride. That really speaks to the quality of show and maintenance of that ride that it continues to one up significantly younger rides.
Great video!!! I remember when J.K Rowling was initially gonna give the theme park rights to Disney, but she rejected it because she didn't like how cheap everything felt, and she felt like it didn't live up to her standards. The MCU is the biggest franchise in the world and when I step into the park I should feel like I'm in the Marvel Universe. Everything looks cheap, and if I'm being honest I'm concerned about what that Avengers ride is gonna be like. I can see why J.K Rowling went with Universal because imagine if Disney made it
W.E.B. Slingers really reminded me of that early conceptual Potter attraction and I thought about mentioning it. It was supposed to be a "wand" version of Astro Blasters, right?
I definitely picked up on the parallels but I didn't want to veer off from the main topic.
I totally agree. I’m a huge Marvel fan but when I saw videos of Avengers Campus I was super underwhelmed. Even though Marvel Superhero Island at Universal Orlando Resort is comic book themed, I feel like it’s much better and also the rides there are more fun.
I’m also a massive Potterhead so I would be disappointed if the rights for the Harry Potter franchise went to Disney. Because Disney feels targeted more for little kids, I feel like the Harry Potter rides at Disney won’t be as fun or intense as the ones in Universal
@@brianorozco1074 That's part of the issue I have with Disney, is that everything seems to be now geared towards kids and not the family demographic that they used to shoot for. While I don't expect Disney to pivot to creating intense experiences like they used to in the late Eisner era, something a bit more intense here and there would be fine too.
@@Lil_Angry_Bitch I highly agree
I don't think you'll have to worry about that avengers ride; Disney's gone kinda dark on that subject and It seems that either were not getting it, or there will be major cuts to what was originally intended.
Imagineering: We need more ideas for this Spider-Man ride!
(Bob Chapek slaps a “DLC” store design right across from the ride building)
Bob Chapek: This baby will run on anything!
God it's so bad and I just don't get it. Who decided that making the attraction as generic as possible was a good idea? Why don't any of the Marvel attractions feature villains!?!?
I actually liked avengers campus, and the web slingers ride, but i HATED that you had to buy stuff FOR THE RIDE!
As a so-cal res who has gone to the park recently, I’ll tell you that you’re absolutely right about the stunt show with Black Widow. Also, it’s not clear that it’s Black Panther in the show with her, Captain America is also featured.
Pym Test Kitchen IS funny and creative, but it is also overpriced for the microwave taste. I’ve been EXCEEDINGLY disappointed with the taste at the parks - even before quarantine hit last year.
Finally, the Pixar Pier attractions are LITERALLY overlays. An example is the Inside Out ride, it was a recycled ride from Bug’s Land that was scrapped for Avenger’s Campus. The ride pieces were literally painted over and tossed into the back empty space of the park.
Disney has always recycled, from recycling animation, to recycling its animatronics, that’s pretty on brand
All the animatronics in Monsters Inc are actually recycled from Limo Superstar. And Splash Mountain reused animatronics from a some other show I forget the name of. Reusing things has always been the Disney way. It’s just a question of whether reusing it enhances or detracts from the experience.
Recessions are periods when Six Flags’s business model shines. With less money to spend, people will flock to their regional Six Flags park to save some money for a lesser, but affordable experience in the midst of a global pandemic.
Six Flags rides are always a lot better too. Here in Texas, San Antonio and Dallas have huge parks.
@@FecalMatador six flags rides are fun and the theming is ehh but as someone who cares more about the fun of the ride id basically always rather be at six flags than disney
It I go go a park for thrills, I honestly don’t even consider Disney. Six flags, kings island, and cedar point are just better for that. And all of those parks have areas catered toward children anyway.
Yeah the incoming recession is definitely going to highlight this. I live in Orange County (CA), fifteen minutes from Disneyland, and while I used to go all the time, I've only been twice since 2019. It's just not worth it, I'd rather go to any of the several other theme parks in SoCal and spend less money for an equal experience.
As much as I love and appreciate having characters out and around again, this land could’ve been so much more than just an instagramable area. Having to buy an extra $60 worth of merch for one ride to be slightly better at it is asinine. Comparably the power up bands at universal Japan are interactive for the whole area, and also work as amiibos for Nintendo switch and wands at the wizarding world allow such a drastic change in your theme park experience. The really looked at midway mania and buzz light year and slapped a new skin on it.
Agreed. It's baffling to me that Disney didn't think up some interactive element of Galaxy's Edge other than "scan boxes and play mini games on your phone" and Avengers Campus fails on this level too. Not that interactivity was ever promised, but it seems like quite the missed opportunity, right? It's not like Disney is incapable of doing such things. I think about the interactivity of the various effects form the games in World Showcase. While not the most interesting elements, at least it showed that Disney kind of tried 🤨
But Ive also never gotten a wand and still had a fantastic and immersive expireance at the wizarding world. Thats what it ought to be, the extras add to your expireance but they shouldnt be nessesary to enjoy it and be immersed.
And this would’ve been awesome if it opened a year ago after the success of Avengers Endgame, this would be like a prize but it’s kinda an afterthought. Even now nobody talks about Endgame anymore and the MCU might be on the decline. Yes Shang Chi was awesome but Black Widow was a alright movie, would’ve been great if they had released it right before Infinity War and Endgame. Now I haven’t seen the TV shows yet but I’ll get to them soon.
Yes, those “buy a glove to score more points” is a new low.
@@PoseidonEntertainment sorry I know my comment is super late, but I had an interesting question. Was the spider man ride at avengers campus going to be using a completely different ride system in the original plans, compared to what we have now? Because there was a patent leaked in 2017 that was for a suspended swinging arm on a track type of ride that looked like it was meant to simulate swinging from webs side to side. As far as I can tell this patent hasn't been used in any rides in any disney parks yet. But it honestly seems like it would have been used in the original plans for the spider man ride at California adventure. I feel like Bob chapek cut the budget in half and that's why they decided to cheap out and give us the low budget ride we have now. Some people were saying it was scrapped due to some people getting sick in the tests for it, but I feel like that was just a cover up/excuse they used for not building the higher budget spider man ride in the patent. If a few people really were getting sick on it disney probably could have found a solution if they had tried. A few people mentioned that maybe the suspended swinging arm patent will be used for the avengers e ticket ride when it opens, that would be cool honestly. I just hate that Bob is cheaping out on rides now too, which ends up ruining them or making them lackluster. I'm glad you see it too because especially on the Disneyland reddit community when I call out disney for things like the awful web slingers ride, everyone crucifies me for daring to criticize disney. He even cut the budget for cosmic rewind at wdw, which probably explains the heavy use of screens and lack of physical sets. The ride isn't awful from the videos I've seen but it feels empty and like they could have done more. I really hope the quinjet ride here at my home park of California adventure lives up to the hype, that is if they ever un cancel/build it before the year 2053. But great video as always I love your videos!
Dang this is sad to hear! I was so sad when they changed Tower of Terror to Guardians of the Galaxy, but I understood because the ride turned out great and it made sense for avengers campus. But this is heart breaking! I expect more from Disney! How is opening one more ride and some buildings considered a land anymore?! Thanks for the update on the new land, I don't live in California, so it's nice to get the review from someone who won't just love it because it exists.
I also agree that Web Slingers could’ve been a lot better than it is if not for the limited space, but I still hope that the Avengers Quinjet Experience is better than Web Slingers
We can only hope that it will be an improvement, and help the whole land feel less rushed and underwhelming.
@@raegangarlitz5313 Yeah
@Beady Boopeedee what are you smoking, I want some.
Disney should bring back The Tower of Terror for Halloween time at least give us that.
for the back end of my childhood, and the entirety of my adolescence, i only really had one career goal in mind: Imagineering. It was all I wanted to do. I was so enamored by rides like Indy, Dinosaur, Everest, hell even Splash Mountain to a certain extent. I spent years just digging into the behind-the-scenes on so many Disney rides, finding out exactly how they work in hopes that, one day, I could make a ride like them and enamor a younger generation. But hell, I hardly can even bring myself to imagine working at Disney now. I'm still going to school for engineering, but I honestly think I'd rather work at the *actual* Six Flags parks than for Imagineering. Idec at this point, send me to Zamperla to build Wild Maus clones, at this point, anything is better than this.
You can do so much with the Avengers IP in the parks--
- an Iron Man flying coaster similar to the Superman rides at Six Flags; you could have the coaster flying over and around a fractured battle field, or make it where you're playing the part of the Iron Legion and having to chase down Ultron or something
- If you want to chase Hagrid's Motorbike success, give riders the sky cycles from the Avengers cartoons / the OG movie. You could be a shield agent helping Hawkeye and Natasha or Falcon during a mission or something, having to dodge attacks or look into a villain's plot
- A dark ride themed to Dr. Strange, where you follow the same kind of ride system used in Rise of the Resistance and have the riders learning magic from him and Wong or something-- the training could be interuppted by one of his villains or Wanda or something, and you have to end up running away or fighting or SOMETHING.
- A dark boat ride that takes you through Asgard. or even New Asgard-- you could show off animatronic pegasi along with Valkriyes, you could show off the frost giants and incorproate it into the ride like Maelstrom-- you could go into the throne room, be tricked by one of Loki's Illusions, tour the castle and see the treasure room (fun place to put references!)
I could go on and on and on, but the point is there's SO MUCH potential with this IP, and it's sad that the area as is is just mainly one big photo op.
Theory: Disney knows it will eventually become outdated so they created this generic land so that they can re theme it cheaply later.
I agree with your theory, but it's a terrible plan.... be in the moment and deal with the future when it comes. They will miss present opportunities that way.
@@RandiRooBoo Disney knows that superhero movies won't be at the top forever.
@@RandiRooBoo Bob Chapek has a "Ship it now, Fix it later" mindset on theme park attractions. Galaxy's Edge was a stripped down version of what was originally planned and the full scope of the park won't be realized for another few years. Same thing with Avengers Campus, probably won't be decent until at least 2026 when they work out the bad kinks.
@@samzilla567 Trust me, in 2026 everyone will be fed up with comic book movies except for a minority of die-hard fans. Everyone else will just consume whatever the new gimmick of that year will be.
Disney is excellent at recycling assets. They've done it for years. Still, it makes no sense to construct a half assed park setting that offers little incentive to visit, shop, or return. It wastes money by betting on guaranteed failure. Disney can save more money by making something decent or by simply not constructing anything new. No one likes to burn money.
I’ve been watching videos like this a lot, because I kind of wanted validation. When I went to Disneyland last I really felt like it had changed. I felt like I was suddenly really bland, and I could feel the shift from management caring so much about the experience of its customers to them only caring about money. Even in the way the park is cleaned now I can tell a difference. There are spiderwebs in places that there never would have been spiderwebs before. (Obviously not the fake ones in avengers campus.) There’s dust gathered on attractions because no one is cleaning it off anymore. The cast members aren’t speaking to you in character anymore they’re just hustling you through. It feels like the park died, and all that’s left in its place is a heartless money-making machine. I bought one of the Magic keys, and I almost regret it because every time I go to the park now I just think about how good it used to be, and how far down hill it’s gone. ALSO, if somebody doesn’t put the old song back into rotation on Guardians of the Galaxy, I think I’m gonna die. The ride kinda sucks now because they are blasting some random song that wasn’t even in the guardians movies and it literally makes no sense! IF I HEAR HIT ME WITH YOUR BEST SHOT ONE MORE TIME ON THAT RIDE IM REALLY GONNA LOSE IT. They used to just rotate though the Awesome Mix vol. 1 and 2 and that was amazing and it was so much more immersive! I distinctly remember a moment in that ride where EVERYONE in the car was belting out I want you back by the Jackson 5, and it was incredible. Now I don’t even know the songs they’re playing, and I don’t get why they’re playing them. In the Guardians store, and even when you step off the ride they’re playing songs from the movies. WHY NOT ON THE RIDE?! ugh. Ok, I’m done now.
They added Hit Me with Your Best Shot, because it's in the Guardians video game! That said... I doubt they were blasting Zero To Hero by "Star-Lord Band" which is a damn SHAME, because it's a band they created FOR the game, and it wont trigger nostalgia like the other Mix tape tracks would. :(
It's very interesting to me to see the difference in presentation of characters for both universal and disney. Universal still has that 2000s straight from the comics aesthetic, even if a tad campy the costumes they're exactly how they look. Whereas Disney has been criticised for their unnecessary amount of detail and "modernizing" designs. So it's interesting Universal went straight for the comics, whereas Disney focuses on the movies.
I think California Adventure has too much of a theming problem now. When I was younger, like 15 years ago when I was 8, the coolest part of the park was the uniquely California feel it had. Soaring over California was amazing, the theme of screamin’ was great. Unfortunately as they’ve gone through rebranding everything, they taken the coolest aspects of the park away. These days California Adventure is good for no more than the occasional cooling off from Grizzly Rapids, and to enjoy an adult beverage. Kind of sad IMO
California Adventure has lost basically it’s California theme. It’s unrecognizable when you see it from 2001 to today. It’s basically a Disney, Marvel, and Pixar park while Disneyland Park is a Disney, Pixar, and Star Wars park
There's nothing wrong with IP dumping, think the issue is IP dumping and it being mediocre quality. Look at Cars Land compared to this...night and day difference
@@RatchetHCO Cars Land looks incredible and it still is 10 years later, despite what you think of the Cars franchise Cars Land is very well themed. Galaxy’s Edge has it’s problems but it’s still well themed
i agree. i know it gets made fun of for being a California themed park *in* California but i always loved and most of my memories are from that park. it was very charming and memorable. i get why they’re doing what they’re doing but it definitely hurts seeing things like Tower of Terror being removed for a Guardians tower. it doesn’t feel like Disney, rather just things Disney owns
I went to Disneyland and DCA back in July, and although I loved all of DCA, we just walked through the avengers campus. I couldn't support web slingers, and the park was so crowded it was no fun. In comparison, Radiator Springs was well themed and felt like you were in the movie with an incredible ride of Radiator Spring Racers.
Not to mention Avengers Campus is next door to Cars Land and it’s exposed around the campus with no higher trees covering it
While I may not completely agree with every point in the video, there is no denying the amount of quality and effort that went into the video. You are really one of the few people who are pointing out a tangible decrease in quality of the experiences without being biased.
I've said this before; Bob Cheapek is turning Disney into the world's most expensive budget theme park. It would be like if Six Flags started charging $150 a ticket.
Oh god, every time you showed the new Spider-man ride I kept thinking "Damn, that looks like the Ninjago ride".....and now I know why 🤣
Man, you continue to be the voice of the right way of looking at the Disney Parks! It’s nice to see someone else share the same views. You see a lot of the more, Starbucks sipping, insta snapping, ear wearing, lounge fly bag wearing crowd just eat up whatever Disney throws at them without realising the decrease in art and creativity! Keep up the solid stuff man!
Ok, not all modern Disney fans are like that you know.
Not all of them drink Starbucks or use Instagram, or any of the other things you said. If people like a new attraction that’s because they choose to enjoy it. It’s their opinion after all and they have every right to enjoy it if they want to.
Yes modern Disney has problems, but not everything they do nowadays is bad. I respect your opinion if you disagree, but still.
@@Sorcerer-SMC Yeah no doubt, it was just a generalisation of a trend I’ve observed. Nothing wrong with liking what you like, all I’m saying is there are a lot of people out there that will just blindly eat up anything just because it’s ‘Disney’, and Disney themselves know that, connecting back to the point he made in the video.
My original comment does come off a little harsh, just from encounters I’ve had with this crowd that’s the impression I’ve got. That’s not to say Disney don’t do anything good nowadays, while my love for the parks has been tarnished over recent years, I’ll always love the same things I’ve always loved, I just find myself more often than not, disapproving of some of the current day decisions and feeling a lose of magic and diminishment of the standard of quality I’ve always loved and come to expect from the parks.
@@legend_oflouis9813 Ahhh okay, thank you for telling me. You actually do have a lot of fair points. While I do agree that some of the current upcoming stuff (such as Pixar Pier, the upcoming Play Pavilion, the Boardwalk Slide Change, etc.) are going too far with the IP stuff, there are some current/upcoming stuff I do like and/or are looking forward too.
For example, I actually really love how Galaxy’s Edge takes place in a brand world exclusive to the Disney Parks, and it does look unique when it comes to architecture, and while Millennium Falcon Smugglers Run was ok, Rise of the Resistance was such a phenomenal ride, in fact, it was more than a ride, it was an experience.
And while I do really miss The Great Movie Ride with all my heart, Mickey and Minnie’s Runaway was an ok attraction that was unique in its own way.
And finally, at first I thought the upcoming Guardians of the Galaxy Cosmic Rewind wasn’t all that fitting for Epcot at first, but then I found out the story of the attraction is tying into Epcot, and now I’m a little more open to it, especially since it’s said to be both a roller coaster and a dark ride combined into one.
The Disney merchandising machine is incredibly interesting to me from a business perspective, and I think it would make an interesting video to just walk around some of the shops that sell general merch and break down the demographics. Something that I find really amusing is the "Grumpy" T-shirts that people purchase and stick onto old men who have a masculinity crisis every time they see Cinderella Castle.
@@legend_oflouis9813 I don't think its harsh at all. What's harsh is me saying how Chapek is literally 💩 on Walt's dream, Walt's face for profit in his pocket. Harsh but true.
Dude… ALL YOUR VIDEOS ARE BANGERS. Your essays are so well made. I can’t find any other TH-camr that makes these amazingly aggressive arguments against the theme parks giants except you. I’m glad I’m not the only one blinded by Chapek’s lazy decisions 👊 keep it up!
Well not all the modern stuff in the Disney Parks is bad you know. Yes I do agree that some of the decisions are a bit iffy, but still.
Aggressive arguments against the theme park giants? To be honest, I think I've been a little too lenient with Universal because for all the praise of its newer attractions, but there's still a lot of fault to find. However, I think they've learned a lot about what not to do, so I've been forgiving.
@Me Super Yeah, I'm a bit concerned that USF won't get the help that it needs. Kids Zone looks like nice prime real estate for something big though. I also suspect that The Secret Life of Pets might be a good candidate to put in the park.
Dude. Sounds like love or some serious admiration. It is nice to have your hard work appreciated for sure.
Marcelo is always good to have ‘the other side of the story’ to have a critical opinion it’s always good I LOVE DISNEY but regarding a few things he comenta he is right, Disney is a multimillionaire company that can do better than what they sometimes do
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The black widow fight (all the times I’ve seen it it’s been captain America helping her) is set up in a way that no matter where you choose to stand, unless you walk with the fighting, you will at one point not be able to see the fight.
Part of that is because they divide the fight between one wing, center, sort of above by the Jet, and then opposite wing. It makes sense as far as playing to each area of the crowd but it is kinda sad when you hear ppl oohing and awwing but you can’t see anything. When I saw it IRL, I assumed they staged it there so the choreography looked better and also so no kid got bopped by the actors when they accidentally stumbled by.
Personally I thought Doctor Strange’s show is worse because it’s in a rotunda area but there’s only one doorway into the rotunda. And if you miss the start, the crowd bottlenecks in the door so you can’t get in or see and the rest of the pillars block view as well. At least with the black widow fight, it’s up so you can catch glimpses and sort of get what’s going on. Doctor strange you can’t see anything except maybe some of the digital backdrop in the back door and the lighting changes.
Also I heard that Disneyland is still in debt for its new parking lots, Mickey and friends and Pixar pals. I was worried that so long as they owe on those, up charges will keep happening and I guess a level of cheapness.
The older half of the parking structure they may technically be in debt for but not significantly - I used to live in Anaheim and they absolutely fkd the city with that one. They lease it, yeah, but they pay $1 a year for it. And they take in all of the profits from the parking lot, there's no profit sharing with the city even though the city technically owns it.
@@kaned5543 wow no profit sharing despite the city owning it, I know I shouldn’t be shocked but I am a tiny bit 😅
@@pterodactylpie8825 Anaheim City council has been in Disney's pocket for decades, they only just a few years ago got some more balanced representation. Disney owns that city in everything but on paper. It's part of why Anaheim so poor despite having an international destination in its midst.
Michael Eisner looks better and better every day lmao
The worst part of DCA is that they had finally started to get a cohesive theme going only to blow it all to hell with all the random IP insertions, 10 years and Disney is going to be playing second fiddle to Universal
Never in California. Disney may be stumbling in recent years but there’s still 30+ classic, iconic attractions that universal will never be able to touch with their 7ish rides in Hollywood. Universal Florida is a different story, but Hollywood is really only a park that SoCal natives and people looking for a day away from Disney will ever go to
For real. When Disney’s got you thinking “huh, maybe Knotts is pretty good”, you know you’ve fucked up
I wouldn't say that Universal doesn't really seen to care about Universal Hollywood, they really don't get any unique rides with really only Jurassic World that really stands out that and Secret Life of Pets but you know that will be in Orlando will soon. I really wish that Universal would actually try to do something to make Universal Hollywood worth while.
Now Universal Orlando is giving real competition to Disney World and we could see Universal surpass them when they complete Epic Universe in 2025.
@@aaronrumph3291 Epic Universe will bring Fierce competition to WDW. The new Mario land will bring in a lot of people. If they ever add a Zelda land.....its safe to say its over for disney.
@@stevenfries7032 I wouldn't say that Universe will end Disney, the only actual competition for Disney is themselves: getting lazy with their rides, cutting hotel benefits, making multiple fast passes and a restriction for how many times you can ride popular rides on a given day, cutting free buses from the airport to your Disney Hotel, making things more expensive, making the Genie system as a way to try to get customers to buy more, not knowing how to deal with their insane numbers of guests coming to visit (there is no reason a person should wait for 2 or more hours for a ride), etc. It is safe to say if the manager of DisneyWorld doesn't fix the way they do business their park will suffer in attendence
I’m actually glad I got to experience Bugs Land before it closed. It definitely was more fun and more interactive than what I’m seeing with Avengers Campus, since I haven’t been back yet. But all that to say if it wasn’t for Cars Land for my son I would NOT step foot inside California Adventure. The rides there now are just not worth the cost of admission or even a park hopper ticket. I would rather spend my whole trip in Disneyland.
Yeah me too
I only went to Bugs land once, but it honestly has some of my best memories from when I went to the two Disney parks. It's a shame its fine now.
i got to go to california adventure when it first opened and i remember it being p boring and when i went like 13 yrs later it was basically the same lmao
Losing Tower of Terror did that to me. Once Tower of Terror got me across the Esplanade, there were other things I had fun checking out. But none of them were things I would actually go to DCA to check out on their own. Without the Tower of Terror, DCA might as well not exist.
We were so excited for Bug’s Land when we took our 3 kids, but it was awful!!! So boring! We actually really liked Avengers Campus!
I remember being 16, going to Universal/ Disney in Florida for band adjudication and initially not even wanting to get on the Spiderman ride at Universal (the one with Hobgoblin) I thought I was too cool. Yet it made me smile the whole freaking time, and was probably the most memorable ride I went on the whole trip (Maybe front row Dueling Dragons, it was before they "de-synced" the trains and it was legit CLOSE AF) but the fact that a dark ride was up there with that is shocking. Glad you compared the new ride to that, Disney could, and SHOULD do better.
I’ve gone to Disneyland every year since as long as I can remember, but I hadn’t been to Disneyland since the beginning of 2019, up until I recently went in November, so almost 3 years, due to Covid mainly. Having the pleasure of being able to go to Disney every year allowed me to enjoy everything it had to offer, time and time again, without getting sick of it, bored, etc. Sure, my family and I would be tired by the end of the trip and would be ready to go back home, but we always instantly couldn’t wait to go back the following year. I’ve been able to see different parts of Disney come and go, and in the most un-cringy way possible, I like to call Disney my happy place, a second home. I know the entire land like the back of my hand. To make an already long story short, I loved Bugs Land, and even though it wasn’t my favorite place, it was still always necessary to visit the land and ride all the rides and just take in the Disney imagineering that was implemented. So, like many others, I was sad to hear Bugs Land was going away, but I accepted it because I knew it wasn’t the most popular place, and it was being replaced by Avengers Campus, something my gf and I were both excited for. Fast forward to November 2021, I haven’t been to Disney in almost 3 years, and Star Wars land and avengers campus are open. Oh yeah!!!……for just star wars land. Star Wars land was amazing. Immerse, detailed, imagineering at its finest. Then there’s Avengers campus… boring, uninteresting, a disappointment, basically just a detailed walk through to Cars Land in my opinion. What made it worse is that my gf and I thought we got lucky with Web Slingers bc the line was short, and we hadn’t been on it yet. Lone behold, not only did the ride break down while we were almost at the door, but it was scorching hot. The queue is just horrible; it’s entirely outside so you get to sit in the sun for long periods of time with no AC and laughingstocks for fans to cool you down. Nevertheless we persisted to the ride.. and decided we’d never wait in that line again… or go on the ride again for that matter. Basically, screw that Chek guy.
Chapek is basically destroying Disney from the ground up, and I’ve heard rumors that the people at Disney want him removed as CEO. Again those are rumors that I’ve heard
Thanks for saying what many of us think about this over-hyped expansion but remain reticent so as not to ruffle feathers within certain fan communities. But I agree 100% with what you've said. What a California Misadventure.
I'm strongly interested in highlighting the issues of Disney leadership, but I don't dislike the company itself. I appreciate the history of creativity and how it was once an industry pioneer, but I can't forgive the last two decades of poor leadership. Vocal criticism may not be the strongest, but I agree with you in that a lot of people find the land lacking but don't necessarily articulate it.
California Misadventure got me lol
Literally their new land had a similar dumb feeling as the West Coast Racers land at Magic Mountain.
At least Bugs land had shade. As it literal shade. California Adventures gets so damn hot because it's just a giant piece of asphalt
Thank you for calling it as you see it and not brown nosing the Mouse. I’ve been a huge Disney fan for years but I’m extremely disappointed with their latest uninspired and lackluster attractions. I think we’re all tired of CG and projections and want to see some creative physical sets. I’m hopeful that Universal will give them a healthy dose of competition. We, the fans, need to hold them accountable so they don’t continue to get greedy and lazy.
Universals spider-man ride is a must go to when at islands of adventure, the immersion is insane and the line itself is so worth it, even with no fast pass. if universal gets the rights to DC i feel like they can get even bigger
Also the transformers one, I was never a fan of transformers but the ride is phenomenal
The meet and greets were great for my toddler. My wife and I, however. Looked at each other like. "This can't be all, right?"
The Star Wars: Rise of the Resistance ride is unbelievably great though. Proof Disney still puts out something cool once in a while.
Yeah but that just makes it more infuriating when they just do whatever easy cash grab there is.
Place a really good ride in a land that's mostly just trying to get you to buy stuff like overpriced lightsabers and memorabilia. Never change Disney
@@justnoel4088 I agree the land could be a lot better.
@@infjelphabasupporter8416 Like shutting it down and retheming it to the OT and canceling that starcruser thing that only the stupidly rich can afford...
@@infjelphabasupporter8416 in my opinion it was great, the theming was just next level with the rockwork and shop section and such.
I just got back from California adventure for the first time and found this video/channel. I didn't expect it to be Disneyland quality despite being the same price, but I thought avenger's campus would add to the value (and I'm a biased MCU fan). Avengers Campus is... literally a building exterior. I was hyped to get a boarding pass for Webslingers, the first web shot mechanism was cool, but the rest was glaringly ill with the problems at conception that you described. Guardians had that set design magic and quality I was looking for. Soaring was amazing. I can see the hype even after 20 years. Looks like I found a hidden gem of a channel. Quality content made with love. I'll do my part to share, hope it blows up!
California Adventure is definitely my least favorite Disney park (at least that I've visited) and found it quite lacking. The attractions are either too generic, are clones, or are decent E-tickets with theming just out of place in the park. It's a place I want to like, but it's going to be a long time before the park gets fixed.
@@PoseidonEntertainment Never been to the Studios in Paris then? 😂
@@dazblue5515 I have not. I've only been to the U.S. Disney parks.
@@PoseidonEntertainment def little mermaid should be in fantasy land.
Guardians was another that was done under Iger, not Chapek.
I’m happy that Universal has the rights for these Marvel characters and as a Florida resident it’s a really fun spot to visit whenever we go to Islands of adventure and the Spider-Man ride is so fun and enjoyable
The funniest part about the new Spider-Man ride is that almost the same exact ride has been at Legoland California for years now.
I’m so glad to finally hear someone say this. I have to admit when I first walked into galaxies edge I was a bit disappointed. My first impression was that it’s just a huge mall. And my mind was blown while looking around at people who were spending hours in line to buy overpriced toys. When they said they were building a new land. I thought it would be filled with new rides. The first one we got, millennium falcon, is OK and If I never went on it ever again I wouldn’t be disappointed.. I haven’t been on the other one because of Covid but I was expecting a lot more. I’m truly disappointing to hear that avengers campus is just more of the same.
I remember when I was younger I went on Disney’s Dream cruise in its second year of voyage. It was one of the best experiences of my life. Every singe piece of that ship was themed in some way and I swear there was magic on that ship. It’s a shame that they’ve lost their spark
I remember going to Galaxy's Edge and Avenger's Campus back to back in one day. After riding the spiderman ride, I was like "..... yeah I'm riding rise of resistance again."
So glad to see someone calling out disneys laziness. It hurts my soul to watch the parks decay like this. Been going to Disneyland for 30 years and it’s just a shell of what it used to be.
Recently have been to Disneyland in California. I can say that you make a huge point with merchandise. It seemed like at every corner there was some IP merch that was thrown to your face. It's very sad to know that Disney isn't creative anymore at times. They can slap a $40 price sticker and people will buy it just because of the IP. Disney knows this and are capitalizing on this...
Yea I was there for the first time in November 21. Not really what I was expecting for "that happiest place on earth". It just seemed like they were selling stuff everywhere and not focused on the experience.
Bob Chapek just needs to leave the company to someone else :/, I feel like he’s ruining everything for the company and most people agrees, I feel like as Disney is fairly the biggest theme park company in the world, should most definitely give more especially for its price, $150 Dollars per person. But they do have some other awesome great rides there , that are still worth the price of admission!
You could always spend $450 per person to spend 3 hours in a metal seat watching football...
@@gregoryjohanek5832 don't tear anything on that reach there Greg
@@gregoryjohanek5832 You know, I recently went to a Rams game, a team that’s playoff bound mind you, and spent $50 a ticket. Soooo… you might be overpaying for your tickets there.
This is interesting. We experienced the Avenger's Campus area in DCA just last week (Dec 28-Jan 1, 2021/2022). I had avoided any reviews or videos before the visit so that I could enjoy the land through fresh eyes. The three of us forked over US$18 each to utilize the (ridiculous) Lightning Lane feature to avoid the 240 minute standby wait time for the Spider-Man WEB slingers "attraction." Later, when discussing the ride we all agreed that it wasn't really worth $18 each and most certainly not worth waiting longer than 30 minutes to experience. I'm honestly a little surprised at how disappointed i felt walking out of the Avenger's Campus for the first time. So I made a search for "avengers campus disappointing" and discovered this gem of a video. You're putting a very fine point on some of my feelings that i've hesitated to acknowledge. This is all a shame to think that this might be the future of Disney parks as I generally really enjoy geeking out on the details of Disneyland and how everything is arranged and structured. Cheers!
13:22 Spiderman uses webs so you can get away with a wire. Bare minimum they should’ve hid the apparatus though.
21:34 the moment I always remember most fondly about the IoA Spider-Man ride is this, where the projection animation of the pumpkin bomb blasts through the wall as a physical effect. Class.
I haven't been to Avengers Campus, but all the media came across as weirdly underwhelming to me. This is a fantastic explanation of why.
Great video. Even though I haven't been to a Disney park in several years, I cannot begin to express my 100% agreement with each topic you covered here. The standard of experience, service, and quality of US Disney parks has been steadily declining for quite some time, and it is incredibly heartbreaking to see. To me, the most infuriating thing is the fact that while Disney parks were closed during the pandemic, there were teams of people coming up with schemes to take as much money from people as possible, as cheaply as possible, while providing little to no memeorable experiences whatsoever. Instead, during that time, they could have created concepts for attractions or themed areas that would actually provide guests an experience, instead of an empty wallet
Yes! They were so focused on getting the parks reopened, when really it would have been an amazing time to do small scale renovations and things across the park that are difficult to justify when it's open. Small crews spread out wouldn't have been any more of an issue than opening the attractions was, but they needed to show investors profits for that fiscal quarter, so who cares about long-term planning or delivering a worthwhile experience?
Say what you will about Galaxy’s Edge, but at least you can feel the world of Batuu, you feel like your apart of the Star Wars universe; all the cast members have their own characters, you see first order troops walking around, and it’s very elaborately themed, and Rise of the Resistance is definitely the best ride they have ever constructed, compared to Avengers campus, well Galaxy’s edge is a million times better and I wish Avengers campus had the attention to detail that Galaxy’s edge did
I literally just got an ad for Avengers Campus on one of your videos😂
Disney you are barking up the wrong tree.
My only issue with the video is saying that Stitch’s great escape is a bad attraction. It is by no means the best one Disney has ever produced, but as a reskin of Alien encounter it did the job and I found it fun.
Came here to say this too. I wish he specifically described why he thought it was so awful.
Stitches great escape terrified kids but to me that just means how realistic it was but it has a special place in my heart forever and I do wish it was still there 😭
True. It really wasn’t that bad.
Thanks for doing these! I think the only way that Disney/Universal/theme parks in general will step up their game is to point out the specific ways they are failing. Keep up the great work!
Thanks, I appreciate the support!
The Battle for Metropolis ride at Six Flags you showed clips of actually looks cool to me. Why? Because they seem to use actual fucking animatronics, actual sets, and practical effects that actually immerse you into the environment around you. Like that one scene with The Joker. Imagine sitting and getting blasted with green steam by an actual (albeit animatronic) Joker! Kind of like that one part of one of my favorite rides, The Forbidden Journey in Harry Potter World, where you fly in front of a dragon and get a blast of steam. If you're gonna use screens, you have take a note from Universal Studios and make areas that are actually apart of the ride. Even if it's just intended as a simple transition section between screens, it has to be immersive and doesn't break you out of the story. That's why even though Universal Studios tends to do a lot of rides that follow the same formula (screen, practical effects room, screen, practical effects room, etc) those are some of my favorite rides because of how much they're able to do with them. So far I've never seen a ride top The Forbidden Journey as my favorite screen ride.
I hate these screen experiences -- I go to theme parks to get away from my computer, not to be reminded of it.
Thank you for calling out that webslingers is a clone of Legoland’s ride! I’ve been saying it and no one knew what I was talking about. I feel so validated now!
I once heard that the current parks are made for wine moms as they decide where they spent their vacation money. The wine mom needs good photo's so her friends will envy her and enough wine to not hear their kids and husband whine that they hate it. I think Bob is ticking those boxes for her.
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I didn't even know you could buy these web blasters, it makes so much sense why there were some groups with a massive score difference on the ride.
22:36 I can't believe Disney added Pay to Win cosmetic microtransactions ripped straight out of a shitty video game to a theme park ride. I hadn't heard about that until now and I'm flabbergasted
Hearing that also reminded me of that 2020 Marvel's Avengers video game that failed to garner much of a loyal audience despite its IP, primarily because it felt like a bare-bones excuse to monetize popular characters. That game would have likely been more successful if it focused on delivering a single-player story-based experience, just as Avengers Campus would have been a lot better if it didn't feel like such a shallow attempt to squeeze money out of guests' wallets
Those are pretty apt comparisons. I didn't think about it that way, but now that you mention it, it's the perfect illustration of my point.
I really love how you broke all of this down- a lot of the time people get overexcited and it clouds their judgement of the actual quality of the attractions.
Mission Breakout really is the best that this area has to offer, and it's pretty sad that the one attraction there beforehand is what sticks out opposed to the new additions. As far as sightlines go, at least within Avengers Campus it makes a bit more sense, but even then it doesn't fully seem to fit the theming around it. The preshow and theming in the queue really is the strongest this land has to offer from what I've seen, but I haven't been able to check in person quite yet.
Pym Test Kitchen though? Yeah, that looks super cool, I'm glad at least something interesting was put in. And the stunt shows really seem like the biggest draw other than what was already there and the restaurant, so it's a shame that they can't be seen properly. Plus, it says a lot that what seems most "worthwhile" in this area of the park isn't even an attraction.
I was super worried too when I heard about the paid add-ons for Web Slingers and... yeah, this looks like shit either way. If they did that sort of merchandising with things you could interact with around the park (ex: the way the Harry Potter area at Universal functions with the wands) I would mind less, but it seems so underwhelming and useless overall. Honestly, as far as this ride goes if they just made more physical sets it could've been a lot better, but it just seems lazy, and even the preshow area just looks slapped together. Along the lines of interacting with things around the park- I feel like with this area specifically they really missed out on the opportunity to create minigames and interactive props. With such a tech-based property they could've easily at least made some sort of phone game tie-in (similar to Galaxy's Edge), and even if it wasn't much it would've been Something at least.
The Dr Strange area seems nicely themed, there's a real nice aesthetic to it (the photos of that area at night? immaculate) so it's a shame that the only real draw to that area seems to be a cheap show when there could've been so much more to it.
And as far as California Adventure goes as a whole- yeah, it's about time they either denounce the California theme as a whole or rename it. I could understand keeping the name since it's well-known, but it really seems like more of a distraction at this point and they could probably do a lot better with marketing the park if they changed the name anyway.
At least with wands and power up bands, they may be expensive but the interactivity obviously isn't giving you an advantage over someone else. I'm not confident that the WEB bands actually deliver on that advantage, but I think it's really the principal with the heavy price tag that invokes a bad taste.
It's not like Disney isn't capable of interactivity in its parks though. I believe you previously told me that you haven't been to the parks, but Disney did add a number of interactive elements and animatronics around Epcot's World Showcase through a series of educational games aimed towards younger kids. It's not to the same extent of the wand magic but at least shows that Disney is uninterested, rather than incapable.
Also I agree about ditching the California name if they're not going to stick with the theme. That being said, people always make fun of the idea of putting a California themed park in the middle of California, but with the right budget, could have probably been really interesting. It's something I would have really like to have seen explored, rather than throwing up Pixar all over the park.
@@PoseidonEntertainment @Poseidon Entertainment As far as the California theme goes it would've been interesting to see if they took a different approach- out here in SF we have the dungeons which is a really cool horror attraction with live actors that's vaguely based off of San Francisco's history and legends and it would've been interesting if the park did something more along those lines instead of just playing off of well-known stereotypes like Hollywood as a whole
@@PoseidonEntertainment You know, if they really made it clear that you were moving around the park you were transitioning clearly from one area to another, with a strong demarcation between these distinct...how do I put it...Islands? Maybe instead of calling it Disney's California Adventure it could be Disney's Districts of Adventure. No, that's too clunky...
Another great video. I’m glad to see someone actually say something critiquing the expansion instead of just saying “it’s not great, but it was fun!”. Keep up the good work! I know you haven’t done many videos on Universal and touched on it briefly in your Creative Bankruptcy video but I’d like to see your full thoughts on Super Nintendo World in Japan.
Well people have the right to enjoy the land if they want to, even if it’s not a phenomenal land. We all have our own opinions in life, and that’s what makes us who we are
@@Sorcerer-SMC I'm not saying people have to like or dislike it but in a lot of cases people who should be fairly reviewing the expansion are obviously holding back on saying anything too "negative" about the expansion. I'm glad to see a review that isn't afraid of pointing out the bad parts of the expansion.
@@Shi_gai I see, yes I do agree that Modern Disney has problems, but I feel it’s kind of annoying of how a lot of people are judging it without even giving it a chance. I mean don’t get me wrong, I highly respect their opinions because what they think and say are just as valid, but still.
I actually do agree that Web Slingers could’ve been a lot better if not for the limited space, but I mainly appreciate Avengers Campus for its architectural design, and I’m mainly hoping that The Avengers Quinjet Experience is better than Web Slingers.
I agree! I wanna hear what you have to say about that land as well ☝️
I miss original attractions. Mystic Manor was the last good, original attraction Disney Parks got. It wasn’t based on a movie, just it’s own story.
this video is amaaaazing didn’t know what we did to deserve such an honest review but thank you!
Been to Universal FL 3x in 5 years. Can't wait to return. They turn out quality new attractions quickly, without over-hyping them as Disney does. Universal does immersion right, whether its Spider-Man, Transformers, or Potter. Meanwhile, last in WDW in 2015. Although fun, it required a lot of planning to get on the best rides more than once because of the limited FastPass then, even with early admission. Also didn't know how lucky I was to experience the Last weekend of Star Wars Weekends Ever. They had characters from all eras, Prequel & OT, walking around, parades, photo areas, stage shows, shows with Frank Oz & Ray Park (Maul). Sadly, I have no desire to go to Galaxys Edge unless & until it's re-themed to something from Lucas 6 films &/or Clone Wars. That's what the fans want I believe.
I think the Web Slingers attraction was doomed from the start, since they decided to use the same for the Bug's Land theater, leaving them with limited space. Unfortunately, instead of doing something innovative with what they had and use the limitations to their advantage they did......that. The web shooting looks cool to be honest, but they could've benefited from having something else than just a screen...more like a set with depth and props, and maybe a different storyline that's more team based like on Smuggler's Run .
@@PoseidonEntertainment yes! That’s definitely what I was thinking about! It’s a real shame that the ingenuity and creativity that the parks started it with has gotten lost in favor of just doing what’s easiest and cheapest with little magic behind it. Those old dark rides are still popular because there’s love and charm in them despite being little else than a cart moving through cardboard showrooms.
@@Arcuied That's... a perfect description of how I feel.
Men in Black's Alien attack would have been an idea to take off of for that
That dr strange thing actually looks kind of like what they do at the Tower of London (at least before covid)--one of the rooms is a bedroom with actors from the time the tower was used as a palace.
That was awesome because it's a history museum that was literally letting you interact with the past! I got to feel like a king from the London of six hundred years past was really there in front of me.
I think the Avengers Endgame stuff can work in the same way, but it relies way more on the quality of the actors. Neither a good nor bad thing, but it limits access to being able to speak to them directly... which makes those shows not an ideal time for getting that truly interactive immersion you can when you're talking to somebody who's paid to larp as Dr Strange or Spider Man
I have been to Universal, never been to any disney park, and tbh, im okay with that. I remember having the time of my LIFE at Universal. I begged my poor grandparents to re-ride the hulk coaster over and over again- same with the spiderman attraction. Not every ride at Universal was a hit, but the one's that were really left an impression on me.
“Generic arcade trash” 🤣
You’re not wrong.
Thanks for this. Everyone's videos on the campus is always full of hype and everything is "amazing". It's good to have this calm analysis of the new land.
lmao at the broken automatic doors at the end! Thanks dude.
At 1 minute and 40 seconds long is when I gave a thumbs up because I’ve been saying this for so long. Great video!