It's really a treat to see someone firing rimfire trying to get the best groups, people in general, don't appreciate the challenge of target shooting with a .22 LR, accuracy is there with the .22, however, some think that centerfire has some sort of edge as if the foundation of .22LR isn't serious. "Ya.. is just a .22" How many times have you heard that? Good video. -Dave
I was replying to this one earlier and lost the response. It's more than a reward to be able to do this and take your damn time. I couldn't agree more with Dave and the author here being that the slower you do it, the better it gets!
I try to consistently wear hearing protection while shooting. I was switching back and fort shooting 8mm Mauser and the 22, quite a difference in noise!
My Remington 521-T is my favorite .22 rifle. Mine belonged to my father. I refinished the stock and put a Lyman AML globe sight on the front. It is lightweight and fun to shoot. I always get nice comments on it at the range.
It's in quite nice shape for it's age. The only real down side to it is a somewhat heavy trigger. I have other "target" ammo that I need to try in it to see if there is a loading that it likes better.
Yeah, the CCI 40gn LRN target rounds usually shoot very well across all my various 22lr rifles for both plinking and match use, and it is definitely on the cheaper side. In fact, the only time I ever fork out double the price of the CCI for fancy match target rounds is when I'm shooting in comps with my club, and then I will use SK Club or Rifle Match for slightly tighter groups (the CCI is just as good, however I have found there tends to be a noticeable flyer every 12-18 rounds not found in the SK's).
Yes, that "flyer elimination" is what you pay the extra $ for. I have come across lots of lower cost 22 ammo that would put nine of ten rounds into a nice group, with the tenth shot doubling the size of the group.
I'm not surprised either, CCI is a reliable performer, especially the standard velocity stuff. I was a bit surprised that the rifle did not care for the Federal 510 load, as it usually shoots better than in this Remington.
I had a Remington .22 target rifle like that but it had a globe front sight with spare sights contained in a cap which screwed onto the bottom of the pistol grip. I sold it because it was a little bit clumsy as a gopher gun and now I'm kicking myself ( for me the true acid test of a .22 is how it performs in the gopher patch).
Good video, I’d suggest trying the Sellier & Bellot’s new Canadian Match ammo. I’ve found it great shooting stuff, definitely excelling in the “ Minute Of Squirrel” category lol.
Great video as always, sorry to ask, would you give us your thoughts on what the PM, is trying to do as far as banning sales, transfers etc. of fire arms in your country. Thank you.
How much wind did you have that day? Judging by the mic nose it wasn't totally calm. Even for a calm day that's some pretty good shooting with those peep sights...
I would call it a moderately breezy day when I did the shooting. Overall I expected better accuracy than I got. Perhaps the barrel needed a better cleaning before I started the testing.
I have a Remington 521-T Youth Special, it likes the CCI standard as well. Especially after I flat nose them a bit in the die. Also likes Winchester Power Point hollow points.
A clean barrel is a must . Also to be fair to the ammo used, cleaning after changing brands is also necessary. Then a couple fouling shouts after cleaning . Then take your 5 shots for group. Takes time and alittle work. But remember, this is supposed to be fun. Right ?🤣
Personally I think that cleaning between brands/types is a waste of time and ammo. I'm sure the ammo makers and sellers approve of it. As for fouling, sure, fire a few fouling rounds with the "new" round before shooting for groups. As for five round groups, I'm not a believer in them for testing 22 ammo as ten round groups tend to show up the "flyers" so often found in 22 ammo.
Remove Carbon ring at chamber throat. That build up can resize bullets. Also try loading rounds single shot. The trip out of the magezine could force the bullet into the top of the chamber scraping or bending the bullet out of concentricity. Not all 22 bullets are the same. When loading rounds by hand you might notice some rounds slip easily into the chamber & some are tight & need more force to chamber. Those rounds will have different points of impact.
That is good advise. Normally I do give used barrels a cleaning before use but this time I failed to give this barrel a clean of any sort, I just gave it a quick look to make sure it was clear/safe and took it to the range. It may well be fouled with carbon/lead enough to effect accuracy, it certainly should have shot better than it did. After a proper cleaning I will try again to see if things improve any.
Nice ammo test. Thank you for posting that. Boy that Aguila stuff certainly impressed me! All I've ever heard about it is that its dirty and inaccurate, but your testing seems to prove the opposite. Maybe they're getting better about their QC? ...by the way, I looked it up (I've been curious too), "Aguila", is pronounced "Ah-Gee-La" (The "G" in "Gee" like in the word "Get"). Apparently, its Spanish for "Eagle".
I remember shooting Aguila with my brother 40 years ago, and back then it was cheap and dirty, but generally reliable. Their current production seems much, much, better. I purchased a case of the standard velocity stuff last year, it shoots pretty well for the price and it has been 100% reliable in the guns I've used it in.
If you was to chronograph that lot, I would be completely unsurprised if they have a rather large velocity spread. With the CCI being the conspicuous exception.
That's quite possible. I have noticed "flyers" in otherwise good groups tend to be different in speed. If my chronograph would cooperate I would be inclined to use it in conjunction with these sessions, however it does not want to communicate with my phone as it is supposed to.
If you hadn't got an acceptable result with the CCI, I would have been questioning the rifle, the shooter or both. It would have definitely been time to get the sledge out.
In fairness to the rifle I neglected to give the bore a good cleaning prior to shooting it, perhaps that might have improved results. The trigger on this rifle is pretty heavy for a "target" type rifle, and I was starting to wonder if I was just not getting the rounds off cleanly. Seeing that the CCI shot decent was a bit of a vindication. I have more types of ammo to try and it will be interesting to see how well the rifle does with those.
I remember shooting Agulia as a kid, it was cheap and dirty back then. The current product is far better, and the price is decent. With the modern stuff it's been 100% reliable for me and plenty accurate.
Doing this test over and use a different 22 rifle would rather miss the point of seeing how this rifle shoots, would it not? The video was more about how the rifle shot rather than than the specific individual ammo types used. I do plan on doing this test again, after the barrel has been properly cleaned, as it's quite possible that it is carbon or lead fouled enough to effect accuracy. It really ought to have shot better than it did.
Apparently a lot of people are not aware of the fact that they make target plasters/patches. I'm not rich but then again I'm not poor either, and other entities that "cant afford more than one target" include the military who issue and use target patches on their targets. Personally I see it as wasteful to use a new target for each group when patches make the target reusable. Of course there does come a time when the target has been "used up" and should be replaced, and I do tend to get a lot of use out of mine prior to throwing them out.
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Great video. Always fun to see what kind of ammo a rifle likes best.
Thanks. I have a quite a few more types I can test besides the ones shown.
It's really a treat to see someone firing rimfire trying to get the best groups, people in general, don't appreciate the challenge of target shooting with a .22 LR, accuracy is there with the .22, however, some think that centerfire has some sort of edge as if the foundation of .22LR isn't serious. "Ya.. is just a .22" How many times have you heard that? Good video. -Dave
...and yet, when it comes down to Olympic medals, what ammo are they shooting? Yep. =)
With the price of ammo I feel better going slow and trying to wring the most out of the stuff.
I was replying to this one earlier and lost the response. It's more than a reward to be able to do this and take your damn time. I couldn't agree more with Dave and the author here being that the slower you do it, the better it gets!
Love the hearinf protection even with a .22 LR. Good man.
I try to consistently wear hearing protection while shooting. I was switching back and fort shooting 8mm Mauser and the 22, quite a difference in noise!
I'm a fan of the CCI standard velocity ammo as well. Seems to shoot decently in everything.
Yes it seems to. I think it is easier for standard velocity .22 ammo to shoot more accurately than the high velocity loadings.
@@314299 Yeah I think you're right.
My Remington 521-T is my favorite .22 rifle. Mine belonged to my father. I refinished the stock and put a Lyman AML globe sight on the front. It is lightweight and fun to shoot. I always get nice comments on it at the range.
They are a nice looking little rifle.
Good video as always
Thanks David.
What a nice old rifle. It really didn't like àny of the ammo except CCI. Another quality job thanks
It's in quite nice shape for it's age. The only real down side to it is a somewhat heavy trigger. I have other "target" ammo that I need to try in it to see if there is a loading that it likes better.
Yeah, the CCI 40gn LRN target rounds usually shoot very well across all my various 22lr rifles for both plinking and match use, and it is definitely on the cheaper side. In fact, the only time I ever fork out double the price of the CCI for fancy match target rounds is when I'm shooting in comps with my club, and then I will use SK Club or Rifle Match for slightly tighter groups (the CCI is just as good, however I have found there tends to be a noticeable flyer every 12-18 rounds not found in the SK's).
Yes, that "flyer elimination" is what you pay the extra $ for. I have come across lots of lower cost 22 ammo that would put nine of ten rounds into a nice group, with the tenth shot doubling the size of the group.
Nice one!
Thanks.
Somehow I'm not shocked the CCI came out on top. Seems to do well in most all of my stuff.
I'm not surprised either, CCI is a reliable performer, especially the standard velocity stuff. I was a bit surprised that the rifle did not care for the Federal 510 load, as it usually shoots better than in this Remington.
All CCI .22 work for me too, standard velocity being my go-to training round
nice rifle, great day, can't beat it
Yeah, sure beats shooting while sitting in a snowbank!
Nice rifle!
Yeah, it's a nice example.
Well done. Thanks
Thanks.
I had a Remington .22 target rifle like that but it had a globe front sight with spare sights contained in a cap which screwed onto the bottom of the pistol grip. I sold it because it was a little bit clumsy as a gopher gun and now I'm kicking myself ( for me the true acid test of a .22 is how it performs in the gopher patch).
Sounds like a nice one. Those globe sights are excellent (with the right insert installed) for shooting round bullseye targets like I was using.
Good video, I’d suggest trying the Sellier & Bellot’s new Canadian Match ammo. I’ve found it great shooting stuff, definitely excelling in the “ Minute Of Squirrel” category lol.
I've not heard of that particular loading before, but I'll certainly give it a try should I come across some for sale. Thanks for the tip.
Thank you.
You're welcome!
Great video as always, sorry to ask, would you give us your thoughts on what the PM, is trying to do as far as banning sales, transfers etc. of fire arms in your country. Thank you.
If I shared my thoughts on this matter I'm pretty sure the resulting video would violate TH-cam's terms of service....
How much wind did you have that day? Judging by the mic nose it wasn't totally calm. Even for a calm day that's some pretty good shooting with those peep sights...
I would call it a moderately breezy day when I did the shooting. Overall I expected better accuracy than I got. Perhaps the barrel needed a better cleaning before I started the testing.
I have a Remington 521-T Youth Special, it likes the CCI standard as well. Especially after I flat nose them a bit in the die. Also likes Winchester Power Point hollow points.
Does the youth special have a shorter stock?
@@314299 I’m not sure of the difference. Sporter stock with the wide foregrip. 25” barrel
Standard stock
A clean barrel is a must . Also to be fair to the ammo used, cleaning after changing brands is also necessary. Then a couple fouling shouts after cleaning . Then take your 5 shots for group. Takes time and alittle work. But remember, this is supposed to be fun. Right ?🤣
Personally I think that cleaning between brands/types is a waste of time and ammo. I'm sure the ammo makers and sellers approve of it. As for fouling, sure, fire a few fouling rounds with the "new" round before shooting for groups. As for five round groups, I'm not a believer in them for testing 22 ammo as ten round groups tend to show up the "flyers" so often found in 22 ammo.
Remove Carbon ring at chamber throat. That build up can resize bullets. Also try loading rounds single shot. The trip out of the magezine could force the bullet into the top of the chamber scraping or bending the bullet out of concentricity. Not all 22 bullets are the same. When loading rounds by hand you might notice some rounds slip easily into the chamber & some are tight & need more force to chamber. Those rounds will have different points of impact.
That is good advise. Normally I do give used barrels a cleaning before use but this time I failed to give this barrel a clean of any sort, I just gave it a quick look to make sure it was clear/safe and took it to the range. It may well be fouled with carbon/lead enough to effect accuracy, it certainly should have shot better than it did. After a proper cleaning I will try again to see if things improve any.
id suggest getting a box of the winchester 333/555 bulk .22 for these tests. i found if a .22 will shoot that crappy stuff it will shoot anything
I think I have some of that, I'll give it a try.
Nice ammo test. Thank you for posting that.
Boy that Aguila stuff certainly impressed me!
All I've ever heard about it is that its dirty and inaccurate, but your testing seems to prove the opposite.
Maybe they're getting better about their QC?
...by the way, I looked it up (I've been curious too), "Aguila", is pronounced "Ah-Gee-La" (The "G" in "Gee" like in the word "Get").
Apparently, its Spanish for "Eagle".
I remember shooting Aguila with my brother 40 years ago, and back then it was cheap and dirty, but generally reliable. Their current production seems much, much, better. I purchased a case of the standard velocity stuff last year, it shoots pretty well for the price and it has been 100% reliable in the guns I've used it in.
@@314299 That's good news! I'll have to grab a box and give them a try. Thanks.
If you was to chronograph that lot, I would be completely unsurprised if they have a rather large velocity spread. With the CCI being the conspicuous exception.
That's quite possible. I have noticed "flyers" in otherwise good groups tend to be different in speed. If my chronograph would cooperate I would be inclined to use it in conjunction with these sessions, however it does not want to communicate with my phone as it is supposed to.
If you hadn't got an acceptable result with the CCI, I would have been questioning the rifle, the shooter or both.
It would have definitely been time to get the sledge out.
In fairness to the rifle I neglected to give the bore a good cleaning prior to shooting it, perhaps that might have improved results. The trigger on this rifle is pretty heavy for a "target" type rifle, and I was starting to wonder if I was just not getting the rounds off cleanly. Seeing that the CCI shot decent was a bit of a vindication. I have more types of ammo to try and it will be interesting to see how well the rifle does with those.
aguila is about the best cheap ammo ive ever used
i got some of their 22wmr ammo years ago, was surprised it was pretty good. heard Brownells saying they moved MFG to the states
I remember shooting Agulia as a kid, it was cheap and dirty back then. The current product is far better, and the price is decent. With the modern stuff it's been 100% reliable for me and plenty accurate.
@@314299 it's about same experience for me I call it the Mexican mini mag
I can throw rocks and get better groups. I'd do this test over and use a different 22 rifle.
Doing this test over and use a different 22 rifle would rather miss the point of seeing how this rifle shoots, would it not? The video was more about how the rifle shot rather than than the specific individual ammo types used. I do plan on doing this test again, after the barrel has been properly cleaned, as it's quite possible that it is carbon or lead fouled enough to effect accuracy. It really ought to have shot better than it did.
At 85>90 yards I would say you’re shooting very well with Iron / peep sights; rather amazing actually.
Thanks. If I had better eyesight like I had when I was younger I might have done better than I did.
Dang, you can’t afford more than 1 target?
Apparently a lot of people are not aware of the fact that they make target plasters/patches. I'm not rich but then again I'm not poor either, and other entities that "cant afford more than one target" include the military who issue and use target patches on their targets. Personally I see it as wasteful to use a new target for each group when patches make the target reusable. Of course there does come a time when the target has been "used up" and should be replaced, and I do tend to get a lot of use out of mine prior to throwing them out.
@@314299 Hi, thanks for replying, I too am an old.22 wood and blued bolt action fan. Keep them coming.
I'm not a fan of the 521 magazines.
Any particular issues you've had with them?
Your third attempt at pronouncing Aguila was the right one. It’s pronounced AG-yuh-luh. It’s the Spanish word for eagle.
I have found that with "foreign" words I might as well use all the possible pronunciations, that way I might get one of them right.