Marlin Micro-Groove Test - Cast Bullet Chapter Two - Incredible Penetration
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- Chapter Two of our Marlin Micro-Groove Test shows incredible penetration with a new cast bullet.
Some folks say cast bullets don't work in the Micro-Groove rifling. Others say you have to keep velocities under 1600 feet per second. I say, watch this and my other cast bullet test and see for yourself.
In this video we're using a 200 grain wide long nose gas check bullet from Montana Bullet Works and it is sized right for the Micro-Groove rifling at .359". That's .001" over the barrel's groove diameter. We're comparing four different loads of powder to see if there is one that really delivers on accuracy at velocities that far exceed what some say is the maximum for the micro-groove rifling. And I'll set up two blocks of ballistic gel from Clear Ballistics to test both explosive impact and penetration.
The 1959 vintage Marlin 336 and that .35 Remington cartridge really performed well in the first test with a lighter 180 grain bullet. Come check out how it does with this heavier bullet.
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The .35 Remington is a serious deer and hog thumper!!!! I love mine!!!
Nice test. Still waiting for that test with the .444 marlin, with some 280 grain swift bullets. You won't be disappointed.
It's on my list sir. Patience :-)
@@TargetSuite I understand.
I can wait for some goodies. You want believe it.
It's like suger for me. Don't won't to hype it up, buts it's a winner!.
It's a sledgehammer!!!.
I had the Marlin chambered in 357. I cast my own bullets and had gas checks on them. Had to lower the speed on them and they shot very good. I loved them. Great guns never die.0
Wow, when that bullet smacks that gel, it makes a grown man smile .....lol !!
keep up the great videos, I haven't had a lever gun out in years maybe it's time.
I would say anytime is a good time. Thanks for watching!
Thank you for showing that cast bullets can indeed be very accurate out of a micro-groove barrel. I have two Marlin's in 30-30. One gets only cast lead and the other only jacketed bullets. One day I took them both out to the 50 yard range. I expected the newer rifle with jacketed ammo to shoot better, but I was surprised to discover that either rifle could easily shoot 5 rounds into 1 inch at 50 yards.
You get a new nickname !! Mr. Gunsmith! It is so true that your sharp eye , even at your age stood the test, and found that flaw in that fine rifle! You just upped its value by 1,000% !! You just saved yourself a whole pickup load of headache by fixing that the way you did it!
Thanks. I do enjoy tinkering, but every now and then it gets me in trouble. Still I love to Tinker!😄
That 92 repair is worth is value as a separate video! You could repeat the section where the bullets fly out of the gun a dozen times and make the Rifleman Chuck Conners smile!
George, I can't tell you how much I enjoy your shooting videos. I would like to tell you an experience that my Father and I have had with both Marlin and Winchester lever guns. We took down an original Model 1873 and we did absolutely no wire wheeling, filing or anything else that would take away any of the metal on the hammer, trigger, and sear. All we did was take all of the compnents that had anything to do with the firing of the gun. We used several new cloth polishing wheels and cups and polished every surface that came in contact with each other to a mirror finish. By doing this every time you shot the rifle there was always a consistent trigger pull and the gun always fired at exactly the same point of trigger pull. It changed the the accuracy of any round that we shot through the rifle and some of the groups went from 2 1/2" groups at 100 yards to under 1" every group. We did the same thing on just about every rifle we had and it changed every gun we did this to. It actually accurized every gun we did it to. I went as far as dong the polishing to several semi-auto pistols dong that and polishing the surfaces of the feed ramps and other slide parts and it ended just about any feed issues I ever had with certain pistols. When you polish the surface of hard steel it makes everything workd so much better. It's a lot of tedious work but you only have to do it once. Even a filthy gun works so much better for a longer period of time before cleaning.
Thanks! I appreciate your comments always. This is a fairly new gun to me and it does need some trigger work. That is on my 'round-to-it' list.
My 1954 is probably the absolute last one or two rifles I'd sell if I had to liquidate my 30-some deer rifles. It's just a great all-around rifle. It's as close to perfect as I have. Maybe Ruger will recreate it with a SS option.
Over 2000 fps with that cast bullet is likely more than enough for even moose and elk at moderate ranges. Very impressive.
Morning George, nice catch on that case guide in the 92. Looks like you have found a nice bullet to work with in that 35 Remington and thanks for the address 👍👍
Good morning Robert! Yes this Montana bullet Works 200 grain bullet maybe my go to from now on
Just a little flinch there when safety was on!
For those that don't appreciate 35 caliber, that's a 9mm' ish bullet, 308, 30-30, 30-06 are 7.62mm
Thanks for pointing that out. It is a big fat! bullet
To be specific, the 35 caliber rifle uses a .358" projectile, whereas the .38 Special & .357 Magnum use a .357" projectile and the 9mm is .356". That is 17% larger in diameter than the 30 caliber .308" projectiles.
Glad it was a simple fix for the feeding issue.
You have a real close range hammer right there. I have a model 336RC in .35 Remington that was made in the late 50's. Killed my first deer with it. Starting to cast my own bullets beginning with my .30-30. The Winchester and Marlin leverguns like heavy for caliber cast bullets pushed at moderate velocities.
Loved that ballistic gel back flip!
I am not cheating on you over here, Buffalo. We just both like quality content presenters
Yeah that was pretty impressive Buffalo! I was a little bit surprised.
Haha! Cheating or not I'm glad to have you.
Have had a love affair with 336 Marlins in any caliber, but there is just something about the 35 Rem. I never loaded hard cast for them but think I will try it now. Lots of pentatration and great expansion. Thank you for the tip on the 92 also. Always look forward to new videos!
Thanks Robert. I love the .35 Remington and am learning to love these cast bullets.
Morning, been enjoying your channel, I can actually click the like, before I even watch. Not been shooting as much as I would like to, ice, snow, now the melt, mud over your ankles, till we get a thaw, only a few weeks, then it dries up, lol cant find ammo to replace what I would use, let alone to “stock” up. So good to see the Marlin 35rem getting some respect. Shooting it good, forget where I heard it but, it shoots “minute of deer” for sure. Lol Thanks for doing these, Godspeed
Thanks! It's always good to hear from you!
Really enjoy your informative videos.
Thanks. I appreciate that.
Good work.
You can typically push a gas-check bullet faster than non gas check. Lead bullets are awesome performers. Killed the biggest buck of my life with an 1886 Winchester in 45-90 chambering. Roughly a ninety yard shot. Thru and thru, busting slats on both sides and absolutely flattened the buck. Very little expansion and very little meat destruction. My 30-06 generally destroys most of a whole shoulder and animals frequently run a short distance before dying. At close range, the old Winchester wins the contest I think. Love me some lead bullets. Great video dude.
Thanks! I think these cast bullets from Montana bullet works are going to become my staple for this rifle at least.
I use cast bullets in my glenfield with micro groove using 150 grain Lovelern style bullets , at 50 yards they stay under one inche , i load to a velocity of 1200 fps . I use them for plinking and small game. I have enough factory jacketed rounds to last the rest of my life. Keeping in mind the doctors at U of W neurological . dept moved up my expiration date. a few years.
That sounds like ominous news. I hope the docs are wrong!
Really enjoy your vids, and they do make me smile.
Great slow mo!
Yes I saw the bullet! As always very informative and entertaining.
My thin experience with rifle cast bullets has shown me that the less airspace in the cartridge the more consistent is the performance. In fact this last weekend shooting my 45/70 and light for caliber cast bullets with a light charge of 4198 resulted in about 30% hangfires. Not good for accuracy to say the least. The same bullet with Pyrodex and the charge compressed gave very good accuracy. Cast in rifles is a learning curve.
Good to see the Model 92 problem was resolved. A very small edge or burr can give real headaches with feeding. A set of needle files and stones is real handy.
Yes cast bullets for me is also a learning curve. I'm trying not to sound like an expert because I'm learning with each experience. Can I haven't even begun to cast my own. And you are right about the small things. If I hadn't been able to see the bullet hanging up at that point I wouldn't have thought to look because that area was so small.
I’ve been at this game for 51years . In your 45/70 go with 13.6 grains of HS6 any bullet weight.not position sensitive no hang fires great accuracy. Just a fun range and hunt load if necessary..Normally in rifles I use a gas check but the load above will work in non check bullets. Biggest problem with people and cast rifle bullets is they think they can drive them at jacketed velocities you can but accuracy suffers. Powdered coated bullets is another story. All Marlins have a short leade so you may have to seat the projectile deeper in order to chamber it. I always size any case bullet .002 larger than groove diameter. .460 for the 45/70. Good luck.
@Ermine Alox Thanks for that. I've been looking for a lightweight load for the 45-70. When I can get my hands on that powder I'll give it a try.
@@gascheck8151 Thanks for the advice. My goal is to try for 1300-1400 fps. Just light recoiling ammo for practice and fun. I use jacketed bullets for the speedier hunting ammo and have no intention of hotrodding cast bullets. I don't hotrod jacketed bullets either for what it is worth. 1800fps and a 300 grain HP has served me very well for deer sized animals for the many years I have shot the 45/70.
I love my 35 Remingtons! Those cast Bullets are fantastic. I need a mold that size, since I reload and pour my own bullets
That is a sweet bullet. It is devastating on the front end and penetrates like a freight train.
I've seen on another channel that you also have to check your dies to make sure they are not resizing the bullet when crimped. I think is was FortuneCookie45LC.
@CallawayKen I posted an Instagram video-ette of that very thing happening with the Lee carbide crimping die. It was re-sizing my .431 44 caliber bullets back down to .429 in the case.
Great video George. the .35 Remi hits really hard. Fine looking scope on her too.
It really does Max. I think it has to do with it being 35 caliber. That's all I can think of. All the other statistics say it's just like the 30-30.
Great video.
Thanks!
Impeccable choice in firearms, I always reach for the leverguns and straight wall cartridges (ok, 30-30 too) when I head out to the woods. I find them much more interesting than doing mag dumps with a black rifle with the the newest zillion round magazine. Beautiful piece of property you got there too. I'm always envious of your setup! Thanks for all your hard work and effort in producing this content!!!
Thank you for watching. And I'm with you on the zillion round dump. Fun once, maybe. But leverguns keep on satisfying.
Thank You for the tip! And very good shooting 😎👍🥇
Thanks for watching!
Well done!
These videos are well made and interesting.
Thanks!
Good video as always lots of interesting things I’m glad you got your 92 working properly keep up the good work and will see you next time.
Thanks 👍
great vidio thank you for sharing this and the info on failure to feed in the 35 great work
Thanks. I appreciate that!
I love the production you put into these videos, shooting and simultaneously showing us the target and the chrono. Great work. Looks like you have a Leupold 1/4*20 freedom scope. I have 2 of those with the pig plex, one sits on my Henry in 44mag. I love that setup, great on a lever gun
Thanks, and yes, That is the Leupold Freedom and it is the perfect levergun scope!
Good video, thanks. I just love all lever actions.
God bless all here.
Thanks! I love them too!
Hi your having fun with this, it will be worth it in the end and you know the limits 👍.
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Target Suite that load flipped that gel block up pretty good , you’ve seen what Lever50 50cal does to one that’s crazy.
I have. His 50-110 really disrespected that block of gel😄
You had that Micro groove shooting cast fine .
Good job. Thought I would rewatch this video today. I just posted a vid on my channel on shooting castbullets in a Marlin 336 30-30 with 1-10 twist and microgroove rifling. I got excellent results as well.
Maybe that first one was too hot of a load and was in stealth mode for it not to register on the tattletail . Your shooting ability always amazes me! Thats the fun way to go bowling ! Why they dont get that much damage to them after being shot at by a handload is pretty amazing too!!
I didn't think about that. Maybe it blew right by the Doppler signals:-) thanks for your comment and thanks for watching!
Good video.👍
Thanks 👍
Solid presentation, Sir. I've been looking for an easy 35 to grab.
Careful Pat. The 35 Remington is addictive ;-)
It's funny how a little thing like a bur of steel from manufacturing would do that, LUCKY you're handy to fix it.
I would hate to have to send the rifle back for what it took to make this one run like the wind
You're having too much fun! Good shooting. Love the rifle and scope setup! IMR-3031 was always my powder of choice for the .35 Rem. Never tried anything else.
3031 is definitely a good one. But I've got lots of Varget and I love the fact that it is temperature insensitive. And it shoots pretty good in the 35 Remington as well. Thanks for watching and thank you for your comment!
Another great video George, very informative, like a previous comment, change the trigger to a ranger point precision, I did on my 336 and it improved my shooting
Thanks I appreciate that suggestion.
Great vid George. Keep it up it. Love these accuracy, velocity and penetration vids. Just a comment but on my 336 XLR 30-30 I have a low powered scope on it too. I put on a neoprene cheek riser on it and it really made a difference in aligning the scope to the eye.
Thank you I appreciate that. I guess I'll go back and watch the video myself because several people have commented about my cheek weld😄
Been using cast bullets for many years ! Gas checks and slower burn powders has worked well. Slightly oversized lead bullets at slower speeds are the cats meow in older guns! Small batch controlled reloads! Very good grouping and milder on the shoulder 👌! God bless you and stay safe and healthy. Good hunting and target shooting!
Thanks! I appreciate your comment.
Pretty impressive wound channel for a cast bullet. That should work nicely on hogs. Love that scope! Glad to see you got that Winchester feeding right. So impressed with your ability to diagnose and solve issues.
Yes I was impressed by that as well. I can just see two or three Hogs standing shoulder-to-shoulder and being addressed with a single shot😄 As to my problem-solving ability, there may have been something in my career (before TH-cam) that help with that😉
Thanks for these videos. All I usually see on TH-cam are AR 15's or really expensive or rare firearms most of us will seldom ever own. Nice to see firearms the average shooter might own. Thanks.
You are welcome! Thank you for watching! And thanks for the comment
My 1970 336 chambered in 35 rem will shoot all in same hole at 100 yards and MOA at 200 yards with a group buy cast 200 grain hollow point I cast myself. I size at .3595” and my barrel slugs at .357. I use a hornady gas check, powder coat them, and separate them in one grain increments for testing. I use 40 grains of varget with my most accurate load testing. It chronographs an average of 2097 fps. I call it 2100 fps. My hardness is 10.4 BH. I mix 50% pure soft lead and clip on wheel weights. I also add 2% pewter to the total weight for fill out. Your “ hard” cast bullets are way too hard for hunting. It will act like a FMJ projectile or an arrow with a field point on deer. The only way imo it would be effective if you hit bone and the bone ends up fragmenting like an expanding bullet. I learned the hard way to many times using to hard of an alloy for deer hunting. Long tracking jobs and zero blood to follow because the hard alloy never expanded and poked a bullet sized hole in and out. I also use a lee factory collet crimp die for a perfectly even crimp. If you watch your slow motion video when shooting in the ballistic gel you'll see your bullet fall on the ground by your feet when you were showing the bullet you caught. Shocked your gun slugs at .358". My 7600 and 336 slugs at .357". My 35 whelen limited run 7600 slugs at .358". IMO it Explains why I get get better than 1.5 MOA with copper plated projectiles.
Clip on wheel weights and Magnum lead shot contain arsenic. Arsenic is the catalyst that strengthens the lead/antimony mix using heat treating / water quenching as it refines the grain structure of the alloy, making it tougher and less brittle. The arsenic itself only represents about 1/4 of 1% of the alloy, any addition amount of arsenic in the mix does nothing to increases the hardening of the bullet's final BHN, so any more than 1/4 of 1% is basically a waste and not needed.
Great fix. It's the little things that matter.
I might have missed it, but I didn't hear you say the amount of powder that you used in each load.
If you're quick, you can see it on the targets. Did you see those bullets in air
This has been fascinating, and certainly refuted “conventional wisdom” that Micro-Groove barrels are no good for cast bullets. I’m recalling a Charter Bulldog .44 I had in the mid 1970’s that leaded badly. It looked like the button had chattered when they made the button swaged rifling. It made a big difference when I lapped the bore. You have a wonderfully broken in Marlin from the days of real American quality. Funny how just a little burr can hang things up. I once bought a Python from a friend who had carried it on duty as a Deputy, when he changed jobs. It hung up on me. Just a tiny burr where the hand turned the cylinder. Finding it almost took longer than cleaning it up with a hard Arkansas stone. 👍
It's funny you mention the chattering issue because I had a Marlin 1894 and the bore diameter had very bad chattering. It wouldn't shoot and it let it like crazy.
Great videos George. I've been watching for a few weeks and getting caught up to present and learning alot from your channel. Is there a logical explanation for the brief fireball that occurs in the gel at impact (15:20 in video)? Noticed in your previous vide with the 180g WFN GC versus the 30-30 170g Partition. At impact, cast creates a fireball....very cool and explosive (literally) performance.
My Marlin 336 was manufacturer'd in 1962; My Winchester belong'd to my G'dad! He got it in 1942! I'm not sure what its year of manufacturer is! But they both still shoot great! C.L.C. shoot straight, shoot safe!!
Wunnerful video, “Maestro George”! Out of ALL the many gun reviewers I watch, YOU are my “MOSTEST FAVORITEST”! I too own a .35 Rem. Marlin 336 of many DECADES ago!! At 82 now, I used to load this cartridge with IMR3031, a cylindrical “perfumie” smelling powder! Loved the schmell! Great visual demonstration of how you fixed your poor cycling on your Winchester ‘92; couldn’t be clearer!! Good lighting means everything! From what I saw, that ‘92 Winchester had a stronger action lockup design than the Marlin! More metal-to-metal contact. Would you agree? Do you ever get Alligators in your pond? Most important, your opening “rockin’” guitar music, a girl (?) faintly yells out some “jiberish” I cant understand!!! WHAT did she say? Maybe “da outhouse is open for business”, or “da Lutefisk sandwiches are here”, or “somebody stole da KISHKA”, or “you’re shooting the rifle backwards”, or something really silly??? I won’t go to my grave without knowing the answer! THANK YOU my brother-in-Christ for BEING YOU, you ol’ “prehensiled decarbonated cumquat” you!!! May GOD bless you & your family to stay COVID-19 free! My wife & I both have had our two Moderna vaccinations.
Haha! I love your comments! The 1882 is a very strong action even capable of handling the 454 Casull. But size is going to limit cartridge options to pistol calibers. As for the mystery girl, that is my oldest granddaughter shouting, "Please don't do that again" after the nighttime mortar shot scared her.
I didn’t hear please from the young lady lol 😂 it’s interesting what happens when you toss a round in the pit when nobody is expecting it
Hey George! I’m late to the video but I always enjoy your videos! Your 35 is a micro groove and my dad’s is a Ballard rifling and I don’t know what difference it would make in what cast bullet I would use. But I really enjoy your matter of fact presentation without any fluff. Good stuff man! All of those are minute of dead deer shots and the consistency shot to shot is impressive.
As with all cast bullets you get better performance and less letting if the bullets are properly sized for the groove diameter of the rifle. But in the case of my Ballard rifled Marlin the groove diameter is gigantic and I would have to get custom made bullets to shoot cast bullets in that rifle. Thanks for watching! And I always appreciate your comments. Thank you
@@TargetSuite I’m gonna have to slug the barrel and get a measurement. A group over on MeWe has told me that I’d probably be happier just sticking with jacketed slugs for that very reason. But I just keep thinking that a 35 Remington with some type of partitioned or bonded bullet might be a really good choice for any hunting that I might do. Oh well, trying to find components right now has been a problem.
Good deal , you got the cast grouping and the 92 feeding .
Yes it was a win-win. Thanks as always for watching and commenting.
Beautiful video, great range. I used to have this rifle in 45-70- it was too much of a goog thing :) But this caliber seems as a sweet spot(not weak, not too strong) for hardcast.
You are right about the 35 Remington. It packs and authoritative punch down range that is really Pleasant to shoot. Thanks for watching!
The main error new people make with cast bullets is they think you can drive them at jacketed velocities . Yes you can ,but accuracy will not be there. Second error is the myth that the projectile must be of super BH hardness False. A softer bullet will obturate in the bore and grab the rifling. If I go to the trouble of casting rifle bullets it will in 95% have a gas check attached. No heat treatment or adding tin or arsenic is necessary. I use plain Jane wheel weights no witch craft involved. Just make sure you pick out all the Zinc out of your weights or you will end up throwing it out and have a clean up mess on your hands . I don’t want to get long winded here . If you want to truly enjoy your 35 REM. Here is my range load.. .360 200gr projectile GC. 18.5 grs of IMR 4227 HODGSON will also work. I normally don’t give out loads but we are all in this together and I want people to enjoy their firearms.
Your right in the ballpark for what I do.
Micro grove rifling can be a pain for leading. The .444 and the .35 Marlin rifles with the micro barrels need a gas checks and be sized .001” over bore diameter for maximum accuracy. Cast rounds also can be powder coated but I still use a gas check to seal her and stop blow by. Without the gas check groups will open up almost a half inch in both of my Marlins after ten rounds or so needing the lead to be removed. Hard bullets do not seal as well causing blow by and do not engage the rifling as well leading to poorer accuracy overall. BH of around 12 seems to be about perfect for a general cast bullet for a rifle of handgun unless you Wanda a hard cast bullet for a specific purpose.
Marlins new 444 Marlin shoots anything well. Hope Ruger continues the line.
@@wwalker3738 very well stated.This is in line with my experience. I didn’t want to touch on it but powder coating has once again changed the game for us. That’s a whole new ball game. I have done all the “witch craft brews” tin,arsenic, alimony you name it battery posts etc. I started with wheel weights 51 yrs. ago and I’m back in square one again. Wheel weights. I have been led astray by these so called expert gun writers that write for the magazines. They say positive things about a product just so they can get paid and go on a free hunt trip. Biggest myth is Micro Groove barrels can’t shoot .Thaks for your reply. I live in Ontario and we are 100% COVID lock down for one month. Last time they closed all ranges. Stupid nearest house is one mile away. I have pails of wheel weights to melt . That’s my COVID project.
I have never cast rifle bullets but I have cast 38s for everything from low powder loadings to high pressure 357. And Yep... Old wheel weights and no BS is what we do.
@@gascheck8151 - You are so lucky that you do not have to live in California. Several years ago the Sacramentocrats stopped allowing the tire shops to give away used wheel weights. They will do anything to trample on our Second Amendment RIGHTS. It appears as if they don't want fishermen to have sinkers either.
@Ermine Alox I am one of those guys who is "new" to cast bullets. Yes, been shooting them on the channel for 18 months or so, but I have lots to learn and can only cover so much in a video. I will try some lower power loads with the Hunter Products 207gr (w/GC). It's cast with Lyman #2.
Is that your wife telling you to “Stop doing that Shit”. ? So funny and I really have enjoyed your videos.
I have a marlin 25mn that is micro groove definitely the most accurate rifle I own so far
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My rule, .002 over groove diameter for Hardcast bullets, you MUST FILL THE THROAT, if the cast bullet is smaller then the throat, it could enter the throat off center, that cause accuracy issues, you need to know groove and throat diameter.
Thanks for sharing!
I have a fairly new Marlin (Remlin - 2016) and a 1949 Remington 141 in 35 Rem.Both shoot cast great but I size .359-.360 (still experimenting) after PCing the bullets first. The biggest difference I can tell is that the 141 has a 24in barrel and so it seems to shoot a little more accurately. I havent chrono'd to compare but I'll bet the extra 4 inches of barrel gives a little more velocity. Great looking cast bullet by the way. Montana Bullets (Bruce) are great - I believe that mold is an LBT mold. I just ordered one a week ago haha
Bruce has been a big help to me. Especially since I am relatively new to cast bullet technology and performance. I just wish he made a good bullet for my recently acquired pre-64 Winchester Model 94 in 32 Win. Special. Maybe a call is in order ;-)
@@TargetSuite Bruce is a great guy and took time with me on the phone when I was learning to cast. Before I cast I used to buy unlubed/unsized bullets from him (Try the Saeco #383 that Bruce stocks in your Marlin 35 Rem - apx 140gr) so I could PC and size them to .359. You could ask Bruce if he has a good mold for the 32 or maybe see if he could get an LBT mold as LBT molds is fairly close to him anyways. You also could take the leap and get a mold and start casting....beware, once you start it turns into a very relaxing and addictive hobby. Theres a Discord group for 'The Reloaders Network' and the old timers there helped me tons with learning to cast.
Man are those bullets clipping along pretty good 👍. Your last group was best, good shooting. Micro groove too, hum, wonder what if any difference. Ballard or Micro.
That's a good question about Ballard vs microgroove. I have Marlin rifles with both but my Ballard rifled Marlin has a really big Groove diameter. I would have to get custom made cast bullets to in that rifle.
You Shoot Better When Your Shooting Fast 😀😊👍🏼 That’s How a Lever Action Is Meant To Be Cycled 😎
I like the idea of 200 gr bullets at 2,000 fps or even slower for PA deer.
Haven't hand loaded for the 30-30 yet, but pretty much have what I need to get started, with 170 gr. ammo. Thanks
Been shooting cast in my marlin since 1990 4570 accurat as anything else
Where in the name of all that's holy are you finding Varget?
.360 Was the magic number for my .35.Your minute of moose with that load back in the old days we only had 30-30's for everything so your not under gunned with that .35 by a long shot and I'll include bears as well.
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How do you edit your videos ?you bring the target to your screen that’s so cool how do you do ?
Shot a couple deer this past season with the Lee 200 gr over Reloder 7 in the 358 Win. Worked as it should!
Awesome. Congrats!
Great video as always, what kind of slow Mo camera did you find works best?
The super slo-mo on my Samsung Note 10+ is the best slow motion I've ever used. And you can set it up to trigger at motion because it only records for about a half a second. So you can set up the scene move a little square box around what's going to move and then you hit record and then just walk back to your gun and shoot. When it works the movement of the ballistic gel or the bowling pin or whatever it is triggers the camera to record that four tenths of a second of video. And if there's bright light like out in good sunlight the image quality is spectacular. But even in the video did I uploaded this morning you can see a couple of bullets and it reminded me of one of your videos where we actually got to see one of the bullets in flight. I guess the sun is got to be just right to capture a bullet in flight.
Awesome video. I’m getting ready to load up some cast bullet 35 Remington. 200 grain rnfp with gas check. I cast them from wheel weights and am going to load them over some Reloader 7 powder. I think I will load them to 2100 fps or so.
Rcbs mold ????
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@@Johnny-jr2lq yes RCBS 35-200-FN.
@@user-jd4zy9sd3c Lyman handbook has some of the best cast bullet data on cast bullets in rifle calibers.
I think that soda can was just as surprised as I was when it disintegrated!
Haha!
From what i can tell it looks like the MBW bullets are a gas check design. Did you install gas checks on them? If not I wonder if leading would ever be an issue at those velocities. Nothing better than shooting lever guns. I have 5 lever actions-3 92's and 2 Marlins. I have to say that I really love the Marlins. BTW I have one of those little 1.5x4 Leopolds on my 1895 45-70 and I I'm in love with that thing also. I didn't think I would ever put a scope on a lever gun but my 72 year old eyes finally told me that I have to. Another great video
Hi David. Yes there is a gas check on that Montana bullet Works bullet and I forgot to mention it. Without the gas check there would be horrible letting at those velocities. And I'm with you about Scopes. If I need to do anything serious the rifles got to have a scope. But for fun stuff like shooting steel and bowling pins and 2 L soda bottles at 25 to 30 yards I can get by really well with those marble arms Bullseye sights. And so I have guns for that and I have this one with the Leupold Scope. I love them both but I have to pick and choose where I shoot them. Thanks as always for watching and thanks for your comments!
@@TargetSuite Apparently you prefer the Marbles over the Skinners?
I had Skinners on both of my Marlins but now only the 336 has the Skinner sight. Don't know. My 336 30-30 Jm-which is a very nice rifle- may go down the road to be replaced by the 35 Rem. It's pretty much all your fault since you are pretty much responsible for getting me sold on that cartridge. We will see
I definitely like Skinner sights, but the Marble Arms Bullseye sight is much cheaper and doesn't require a new front sight. And it's about 90% the functionality of the skinner. Oh, I'm sorry about the 35 Remington influence. I can't help it. But I also am in the market for a 30-30. Been looking at some pre 64 Winchester is but they're too pricey. It has me looking at the 32 Winchester special. But maybe I just need to settle on another Marlin 336 :-)
Microgrowe barrels = use hard cast type lead, with copper dust addit !
If u shot that a greater distance = lower velocity… it could have penetrated through 4 blocks .. because of less expansion
The 170gr Remington Cor-Lokt pokes right along.. and penetrates through white tail ,
Bullets for the 30-30 are well designed… to function at 30-30 velocity.. from 10 yds to 200 yds
Yes sir, you are correct. I learned that lesson a long time ago looking for ultimate penetration with a 45-70.
Correctly sized bullet are the key to accuracy and a clean barrel..in any firearm in which you shoot cast...you should slug the bore to determine correct size
Hardness...g.c. all play a role...but bullets the correct size are most important
Yep and I have been slugging my barrels ever since I stepped out into the cast bullet Arena.
I will check my lever actions for this (see end of video)
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Tin and Antimony are the two metals typically used in lead alloys that allow for heat treating. A lead and tin only alloy will not heat treat, while lead and antimony will, but can become brittle. In an alloy with all three in the proper proportions allows to heat treat harder, but still be malleable. There may well be traces of arsenic in that alloy, but if it attributes anything to the properties of the alloy that would be a new one for me. I would be eager to read up on it If I am wrong, and anyone can point me in the direction of the material.
Also, very nice load. 1.5" groupings are plenty adequate for the ranges you'll be using it, but don't let that deter you from eking the best you can out of it. I plan to attempt to make a similar load for my .35 Whelen once it is complete.
Here's a link that talks about the arsenic factor . . . www.lasc.us/heattreat.htm#:~:text=Adding%20sufficient%20quantities%20of%20antimony,to%20aging%20enhance%20these%20effects.
@@TargetSuite Cool deal! Thank you. Any time I can learn something new is a pleasure.
I have a Marlin 1895 in 45-70, yes cast will work with good accuracy as long as velocity is 1500 fps or less. I found any thing faster it strips the bullet. I use .459 Rimrock bullets ( 405 gr)with a 22 hardness. At 1500 fps it punches a nasty hole in deer .
Thanks. Does your 1895 have microgroove rifling?
@@TargetSuite Yes , It was made in 1995. After that time they were in either micro groove or Ballard cut.
What model scope is that? Is it a a 1-4? I’m looking for a good scope setup for my marlin 336 in 35 Remington from 1971. Thanks
That is a Leupold Freedom 1.5x4 scope with a hogplex reticle.
Having trouble finding .358 gas checks. Any suggestions?
With our older Marlins (not Remlins) how do we identify if we have Micro-Groove or regular??
PS What "Scout Scope" is that?
The barrel will be marked Micro-Groove if it is. Otherwise not rifling designation will appear. That scope is a Leupold Freedom 1.5x4.
@@TargetSuite Thank you. Very much appreciated.
Happened to get a deal on some 22 ammo today. 800 rounds was 51.99, but they gave me a 5 dollar off coupon at the register. That made my cost 46.00 for 800 Federal blue box. If my math is right, that makes it just under 5 cents a round. Not cheap but more reasonable than I've seen. It was at a big box store called academy sports. they must have gotten a shipment in that morning, but by the time I got there it hadn't all sold. They sold out of the 22 while I was waiting in line though. Some stores had a lot of pistol rounds, but no 22, others have a lot of rifle rounds but are short on 22 and pistol calibers. seems to be easing up just a bit lately.
Good for you! 👍 A local pawn shop had 525 rd bulk Winchester for $110 while a friend in another part of Washington gave $50 for 500 rounds. Let’s hope it’s coming back to sane prices.
Congrats! That was a great find!
@@lanedexter6303 well at less than a nickel a shot, it makes it affordable to plink a bit IF the ammo is any good. That 22A is great with good ammo, but doesn't take well to the crappy stuff. I'm wondering if that aquila would do better in a rifle. Now when I can find one of those that's reasonable...
Live the videos, but suggest a 5 shot group as a much more valid measure. If you get a 1.5 and 2.9 inch group from the same load, the groups are not a reliable data point. Love the Marlins, great rifles and thanks for the videos.
In today's world of the "ammo-demic" 5 shot groups are a luxury I can't afford. I know it doesn't sound like a big difference but when you're trying to feed a TH-cam channel all of those primers add up:-)
That makes total cents and sense. Great content, I have a 1957 Marlin 336RC in .35 Remington and am learning a lot from you. Thank you!
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@@TargetSuite Just do 2 1/2 rounds and count 'em twice 😁
Those cast bullets can get up and go. And, for sure, the higher velocities were more accurate. My guess is, with the cast bullets penetration is greater than with the regular cup and core bullets. At least you don't get core and case separation with solids. I would say you have put the cast bullet accuracy/velocity controversy to rest.
You are right, when bullets mushroom largely it affects their penetration. Also a lot of jacketed bullets shed weight while this 200 grain solid retained most of its weight and therefore penetrated deeply
Get yourself a Ranger point trigger for that 336. That’ll help shrink them groups.
A better scope with finer cross hairs would also. Thanks for watching
I should probably view Chapter 1 first, 'eh?
At least watch it. Order is not really important 😄
if not for the one flyer, that second power level group could have been perfect two on the x out of 3, that's pretty good. I think you need to go to the shop and build something that takes you completely out of it. For testing barrel accuracy, that's what you really need. So far as my standards go, every time I've seen you do this, the second tier power level has done the best at 100 yards. My standards have nothing to do with group size, it's how close you get to the X, so that secon group first target is the winner. I don't think as it is we can get a full understanding of what is the barrel accuracy and what is your accuracy. Oh, you can shoot, sure, but the more variables you have the more problems. with some kind of device locking the rifle on one aiming spot, then you get a better idea of what the barrel at whatever power level can do. To my mind, higher power levels should only make it shoot higher or lower, and should have nothing to do with left or right at that distance. Longer distances, then you get more wind interference and maybe spin drift. At any rate, within 100 yards, that rifle can take down whatever. I wonder about it's accurace and power at 200 or even 500 yards.
It was not a good shooting day for me either. And along with a more stable rest, that gun really needs some trigger work to get the best out of it. Thanks as always for your comment.
It appears (possibly bad camera angle) you are not getting a proper cheek weld with the butt stock. I thought I could see your head "floating around" as you were squeezing the trigger. That scope setting so high above the bore could be the reason you can't maintain a good cheek weld. Could increase your accuracy as well. I enjoy your videos.
You are probably right. But you can also see that about a third of the shots the scope is kissing my glasses. So that deep cheek weld works against me when shooting the From the Bench like that.
@@TargetSuite With a scope, would the leather stock sleeve that has a pad help with the alignment?
@CallawayKen That's possible, but in general I'm not a fan of stock add-ons. But I may soften that position as I get more familiar with this scoped Marlin.
Where in Louisiana are you yeah?? I’m from Louisiana, my family has been there since the 1600s
Northwest.
So am I. Right close to Shreveport. I guess this will be my last place to live, provided that Edwards don’t try to take our guns. You gotta love a 35 a Remington and a 45/70 as well. I got plenty safe queens but love them all
It's good to know a neighbor watches my channel :-) Maybe I'll see you at Ron's Guns someday. I'm there most Thursday mornings.
Hi George. Can that gel be reheated, melted back into solid blocks as new?
Yes I bought a turkey roaster just for that purpose. I want to block gets shot up you cut it into pieces take out all the metal melted poured into a mold and start over again clear ballistics says you can re melt 8 to 10 times
@@TargetSuite Cheese slicer on order!
A prediction: IF/WHEN Ruger produces Marlin products, there shall be no micro-groove. I've been wrong before, but one can hope.
One thing for sure, the microgroove rifling shoots well. At least that's been my experience. But you are right. We'll see what Ruger does.
Even the new .444 Marlin went back to old fashioned Ballard Rifling Thank God
Doesn’t look like a 336. Has a very similar design to Winchester 64 with that longer than 20” barrel and truncated magazine tube and forward end cap on the wood
I own the twin (minus scope) to his rifle only chambered in .30-30.
I’ve got some bad memories of working for hours getting lead out of my barrels.
My worst experience with lead was after shooting a bunch of foster slugs in my son's Beretta 1301. It took hours, like you said.
@@TargetSuite yup, copper is easier. Great vid sir, as usual.
Thanks!
Cut a patch of solid copper chore boy scrubber and wrap it over and around your bronze bore brush. A few passes and it's darn near perfect. And if you are leading so badly then you are doing something wrong.
Hey bud, I've been trying to find your email but, I see ya have a mailing address on about page.
Would it be Okay to send you that .22mag. cylinder for the Ruger single six?
Hi Michael. I appreciate that but I already have the 22 mag cylinder. I'm not sure what I would do with a second Magnum cylinder. Now if it was a 22 long rifle cylinder I would take it in a heartbeat:-) but if you want to reach out to me on that email address feel free. I check that email every day or so.
I know you tell them every video, but I can never remember, where are your two locations? LOL
LA (Louisiana) and Houston
Can see rifling engraved bullet
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Off subject whats up with the ruger 22
I should probably hear something from them this week or next. They said it would be three weeks to a month in their shop