That 178 grain load at over 1900 in a 20" barrel looks like it would do just fine on deer and bear. Most 170 grain soft point factory loads don't barely break 2000 in reality anyway and they work just fine.
@@georgiaboy4410 a buddy of mine has a 185 round nose mold in .311 that I have been contemplating for my 1952 336 in .30-30 but I am pretty sure the old Ballard rifling twist might not like something that heavy.
Hahaha. The scope is zeroed for my jacketed hunting load and I didn’t want to mess with it. And I had my targets sideways so I could fit 3 on the board lol
I size mine .310 for my Marlin too, but like you said...I only load plinking loads, and those shoot just fine anyways :) I wouldn't want to be the deer on the receiving end of those cast loads you tested :)
Dang! That H335 load with the 178 is $$$! Great Job. I struggle shooting cast from my 30-06 by comparison to your group (2.5”) but it is fun. I would like to develop a cast hunting load for the Marlin 30-30. Again, great video
That’s certainly good enough I figured it would shoot just fine, I have an old Winchester 3030 that was re-barreled with a one in10 twist and it’s one of the most accurate cast lead slingers
Is that the one with the 26 inch barrel? I like that rifle. I’d like to find a 336A with the 24 inch barrel. Haven’t seen a 30-30 vid from you in a long time 🤔
I haven’t tested a lot with my 30-30 yet. I did a couple of videos on it and haven’t got back to it. I have that Lee bullet. I’ll check out the Accurate mold. It looks great.
*THAT OLD LYMAN 1600 FPS MicroGroove speed limit predates Lyman's Black Super Moly Lube. They were using the older version of Orange Magic 'Wax' lube... without Molybdenum Disulfide... "Moly" is some super slick stuff and Lyman did not use it...way back then. So, MOLY lubed or Moy coated cast lead vs. Microgrooves may not have ever been professionally tested by a published expert. For future testing you might want to consider this 'seldom considered' fact. Sometimes that which was not tested can be more interesting than that which was tested.*
To what diameters were your cast bullets. Supposedly they shoul be a couple thousandths over bore diameter. Also have you tried without the gas check. Im just getting ready to try the lee bullet without the gas check as they too expensive right now
Once powder coated I sized them to .310 which is 2 thou over my bore diameter. I haven’t shot them without GC’s but I just had my son mill the GC shank off of this mold. Bullet weighs around 155 gr now. Haven’t had a chance to test any yet.
I cast these out of COWW, quenched and powder coated if I remember correctly. Can’t remember the BHN off the top of my head. My guess would be around 17-18 without checking my notes.
@@georgiaboy4410 I've noticed the same thing on many channels, it'll say 6 comments but none are displayed unless I switch the "Top comments to Latest", weird!
Good old gun lore and repeated misinformation! One thing is clear to me: I know a lot less about shooting and reloading than some people *think* they do! 🤔
Shooting Hardcast bullets in “ANY MARLIN” is not PLUG and PLAY! There needs to be work in getting the needed accuracy! #1 Rule. “FILL THE THROAT” that means your bullet needs to be .002 Thousandth bigger than the Throat diameter! When this happens, the filled Throat will Swage the bullet to “FILL” the bore! So you need a Chamber cast to accurately measure the Throat! #2 If your rifle has less then 200 rounds of Jacketed fired through it, it needs to be LAPPED OR FIRELAPPED! Before lapping, deep clean with a Foaming Bore cleaner, several times, “ALL” Copper fowling needs to be removed! All Marlins in there barrels have restrictions from Stampings, Dovetails, blind screws, Tooling marks, etc! #3 get the right sized Hardcast bullets! From the casting, you now know the correct bullet size! #4 do your load work! If you have a 444 with the 1-38 MicroGroove then very top end loads in velocities will be required! Essential for any bullets over 270gr, in either Hardcast or Jacketed!
My Win 94 won't shoot cast worth a damn. But feed it a jacketed 170 gr bullet I get 1.5 inch MOA at 100 yds. My Marlin 1895 45-70 will shoot cast and jacketed ..
My 94 shoots cast as good as I can shoot with irons. I don’t have a scope on it. Think my best load is about an inch at 50. That was some years back though, my eyes ain’t what they used to be lol. It also like the 170 interlock.
@@georgiaboy4410 im only trying to sell it because i need the space in the barn If it werent for that id keep it I offered it to stumpy nubs woodworking channel here on youtube But he was really rude about it so i withdrew my offer unsubbed from his channel and blocked the guy ill post a video of the saw late tomorrow
That 178 grain load at over 1900 in a 20" barrel looks like it would do just fine on deer and bear. Most 170 grain soft point factory loads don't barely break 2000 in reality anyway and they work just fine.
Yep. 178 gr at 1900 fps is plenty for a woods gun.👍🏻
@@georgiaboy4410 a buddy of mine has a 185 round nose mold in .311 that I have been contemplating for my 1952 336 in .30-30 but I am pretty sure the old Ballard rifling twist might not like something that heavy.
Interesting results. I'll try some oversized, gas checked bullets in my micro grooved Marlin 1894. Thanks, GB44👍
You may be surprised. May have to tinker with it a bit but it can be done👍🏻
That was a great test brother. It will make a lot of people rethink how they load for them. Nice job! 🙂🇺🇸🔥👍
I shoulda tried this years ago lol
I'm amazed at how you shot the 3 holes perfectly on the left side of the paper on all the targets...LOL! As always GB very nice shooting.
Hahaha. The scope is zeroed for my jacketed hunting load and I didn’t want to mess with it. And I had my targets sideways so I could fit 3 on the board lol
I size mine .310 for my Marlin too, but like you said...I only load plinking loads, and those shoot just fine anyways :) I wouldn't want to be the deer on the receiving end of those cast loads you tested :)
That 178 gr load had some thump lol. I’d like to get another 100 fps and keep the accuracy. We’ll see
Dang! That H335 load with the 178 is $$$! Great Job. I struggle shooting cast from my 30-06 by comparison to your group (2.5”) but it is fun. I would like to develop a cast hunting load for the Marlin 30-30. Again, great video
Somehow I just seen your comment. Thanks for watching👍🏻
Great info brother! Nice looking rifle.😁👍
Thanks Woody👍🏻
That’s certainly good enough I figured it would shoot just fine, I have an old Winchester 3030 that was re-barreled with a one in10 twist and it’s one of the most accurate cast lead slingers
Is that the one with the 26 inch barrel? I like that rifle. I’d like to find a 336A with the 24 inch barrel. Haven’t seen a 30-30 vid from you in a long time 🤔
@@georgiaboy4410 yes
Good test... thanks.
Thanks for watching👍🏻
Looks like a good start to me 👍Wife had back surgery Tuesday and dealing with recovery is a struggle . So no extra activity for me for awhile.
It was a good start. Prayers for the wife.
@@georgiaboy4410 thanks
Grr my comment was lost cause video ended...
Well Im not writing it all again.
So, Good job Pastor!!
Thanks CW. Weird things going on with the comments lately. Sometimes I can’t see them 🤷♂️
Definitely looked a lil breezy.😁😁 I concur! Good enough!
It was a might breezy that day but things worked out👍🏻
I haven’t tested a lot with my 30-30 yet. I did a couple of videos on it and haven’t got back to it. I have that Lee bullet. I’ll check out the Accurate mold. It looks great.
I was surprised at how well these bullets shot. Got some more stuff planned but it will have to wait until after deer season lol👍🏻🦌
For sure “Minute Of Deer” test for your self! Great advice bud. 🤠
Exactly👍🏻 🦌
*THAT OLD LYMAN 1600 FPS MicroGroove speed limit predates Lyman's Black Super Moly Lube. They were using the older version of Orange Magic 'Wax' lube... without Molybdenum Disulfide... "Moly" is some super slick stuff and Lyman did not use it...way back then. So, MOLY lubed or Moy coated cast lead vs. Microgrooves may not have ever been professionally tested by a published expert. For future testing you might want to consider this 'seldom considered' fact. Sometimes that which was not tested can be more interesting than that which was tested.*
To what diameters were your cast bullets. Supposedly they shoul be a couple thousandths over bore diameter. Also have you tried without the gas check. Im just getting ready to try the lee bullet without the gas check as they too expensive right now
Once powder coated I sized them to .310 which is 2 thou over my bore diameter. I haven’t shot them without GC’s but I just had my son mill the GC shank off of this mold. Bullet weighs around 155 gr now. Haven’t had a chance to test any yet.
Myth busted by Georgiaboy! Fine shooting as well! I've only shot a little cast so far in the .32 Special '94 and the '99 300 Savage.
That 32 special is a great cast shooter. I hope to pick up another one someday👍🏻
@@georgiaboy4410 i started relaoding cast from Gardners cache. 40 rounds so far powder coated and gas checked. they worked great
@@mikesp1 that’s awesome Mike. 👍🏻
Nice How hard are your bullets
I cast these out of COWW, quenched and powder coated if I remember correctly. Can’t remember the BHN off the top of my head. My guess would be around 17-18 without checking my notes.
Looks like myth busted! How hard do you think the bullets you used were? Or alloy mix?
Hey Mike. For some reason I’m not able to see any comments but yours 🤷♂️ . About 16 bhn 👍🏻
@@georgiaboy4410 I've noticed the same thing on many channels, it'll say 6 comments but none are displayed unless I switch the "Top comments to Latest", weird!
Great test the book was wrong thanks for sharing
Yep. Best to test things for yourself instead of listening to others👍🏻
I had a Winchester 94 and I found out if I shot cast bullets over 2000 fps the accuracy would go away but around 1900 shot find
I’ve got a Winchester 94 30-30 and I run cast bullets around 1900 fps with good accuracy as well👍🏻🦌
Good old gun lore and repeated misinformation! One thing is clear to me: I know a lot less about shooting and reloading than some people *think* they do! 🤔
Exactly! We should start a series on myth busting. I’ll let you test spire point bullets in a levergun mag tube lol 😁
@@georgiaboy4410 You’re sworn to secrecy, right Pastor? I know a guy who has done it - I won’t say his name, but his middle initial is “C”.
@@WilliamCChapin 👍🏻😆. I won’t tell lol
Gas checks truly necessary on powdercoated?
I don’t use them unless it’s a gas check bullet. Plain base with pc is good enough for me.👍🏻
Have you considered having that marlin re chambered to 38-55 by JES?
Just a thought.
Na, this was my dads rifle and it shoots good. I do have a Winchester 94 takedown in 38-55 that I need to get out and shoot though👍🏻
@@georgiaboy4410 If it were my Dads, I would leave it as is for sure.
It is a good shooting rifle.
30-30 is my favorite cartridge
@@ltgreen6626 my favorite as well
I’d leave it alone on account of the 1:10 microgroove barrel; good thing and not that common
@sonofadutchman9315 👍🏻😃
1:10 twist in a 30-30... Weird lol
Shooting Hardcast bullets in “ANY MARLIN” is not PLUG and PLAY! There needs to be work in getting the needed accuracy!
#1 Rule. “FILL THE THROAT” that means your bullet needs to be .002 Thousandth bigger than the Throat diameter!
When this happens, the filled Throat will Swage the bullet to “FILL” the bore! So you need a Chamber cast to accurately measure the Throat!
#2 If your rifle has less then 200 rounds of Jacketed fired through it, it needs to be LAPPED OR FIRELAPPED! Before lapping, deep clean with a Foaming Bore cleaner, several times, “ALL” Copper fowling needs to be removed! All Marlins in there barrels have restrictions from Stampings, Dovetails, blind screws, Tooling marks, etc!
#3 get the right sized Hardcast bullets! From the casting, you now know the correct bullet size!
#4 do your load work! If you have a 444 with the 1-38 MicroGroove then very top end loads in velocities will be required! Essential for any bullets over 270gr, in either Hardcast or Jacketed!
Good deal
Shoulda tested this years ago lol
@@georgiaboy4410 hey how big does that accurate mold cast those boolitts? ..🤔
I borrowed the mold from cranky. Can’t remember what they dropped from the mold. With a thin pc they’re .314
I’m definitely rethinking things that I’ve avoided because of the myth
Yep. Sometimes it’s best to just test things out for yourself.
My Win 94 won't shoot cast worth a damn. But feed it a jacketed 170 gr bullet I get 1.5 inch MOA at 100 yds. My Marlin 1895 45-70 will shoot cast and jacketed ..
My 94 shoots cast as good as I can shoot with irons. I don’t have a scope on it. Think my best load is about an inch at 50. That was some years back though, my eyes ain’t what they used to be lol. It also like the 170 interlock.
There are a lot of myths out there about cast bullets and reloading . Testing is best .
Exactly. Wish I had a nice 160 gr plain base mold for the 30-30 cause we don’t need those GC’s with powder coat 😉
@@georgiaboy4410 I know a guy that can hook you up . 😏
Yo Georgia shoutout
Howdy Roswell Native
Hey gb would you by any chance know anyone interested in an antique black and decker radial arm saw my dad has one that he has mentioned selling
Can’t think of anyone off the top of my head but I’ll let you know if I do.
@@georgiaboy4410 im only trying to sell it because i need the space in the barn
If it werent for that id keep it
I offered it to stumpy nubs woodworking channel here on youtube
But he was really rude about it so i withdrew my offer unsubbed from his channel and blocked the guy ill post a video of the saw late tomorrow