Love to see this ! Finally a big brand that goes the other way of the industry. Older Shimano, Sram or Campy would totally fit on this frame. You can still buy them almost new or new with a little bit of reseach. Would love to see big brands pulling out with a rim brake groupset version but it probably wont happen.
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad If I understand your question, I dont see them on this frame but I presume that the older groupset version would probably works ? Hopefully haha !
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Kinda sad then, but understandable with this quality (price). By the way, congrats for your channel. Big fan of rim brakes, steel, and just simple but amazing bike\tech.
I would guess that Colnago is producing the rim C68 in limited quantities and will have no problem finding eager buyers. And those who buy them will have no issue paying whatever it takes to source Shimano mechanical rim groupsets (lightly used or NOS) if that is what they want.
I am old and probably not cycling at the same performance as many here, therefore my budget is lower too as to ensure I am not over biked ;-). However, I was in the market recently for a fastish road bike as one last blast and was looking at TCRs. I rode the disc version with Ultegra and then the 105 version with rim, due to a great deal on the disc version the prices were very similar. Honestly though, as I am just riding this for a quick blast and pleasure, also to burn calories, the rim bike gave the much more pleasurable ride and was therefore my choice. I think this will be a hit for people that value ride quality and snapiness of which there will be many. Buyers will find a way to make it work whether than be new Campagnolo groupsets or Shimano alternatives new or old.
If people were able to ride the disc brake version and the rim brake version of the same bike back to back I would love to see how many people would really pick the disc version. I have three disc brake bikes. A full Dura-Ace build race road bike - I never ride it . It's too harsh and "too stiff". A Gravel bike -- I seldom ride it but that's where disc brakes make sense. A tandem - they make sense there. I have 8 other rim brake bikes. No matter how many disc brake bikes I service and then take on test rides I don't ever feel like "wow I need to buy a disc brake bike" all I want to do is buy another RIM brake bike. Thanks for watching please consider subscribing.
I agree , I like George and his channel, I myself am a little bit of romantic when comes to cycling and funny enough own few bikes he does , Tommasini Tecno, Ritchey, Oltre , I really like good bikes and not all rim brake frames were good, not all mechanical group sets were good just how not all carbon frames or disc frames are any good. Between Shimano , Campy and SRAM I have all of them on different bikes for different reasons. While I adore a perfectly adjusted cable group set the new electronic groups offer so much more. Shifting speed and precision , synchro shifting, simplicity when comes to installation, pairing with apps and computer , ability to add wireless satellite shifter for sprint or TT bars , going disc allows to use wider tires , etc. had the industry got stuck on rim , cables and 10speeds groups would be a disservice to all of us. I personally don’t like this new Colnago , the shape of the tubes , the fork, seatpost , nothing matches or flows like used to , I applaud the initiative to build a rim frame in 2024 but using a all integrated frame set like the V4RS and convert it into rim is going in the wrong direction , $7 is for the aficionados and collectors not every day rider.
Google dura ace 12 speed group set and you will find new inventory at shops willing to ship it out. I am sure that Colnago did the same search and found the same reality. For now, this is not a problem.
Maybe there should be an exhaustive review of rim frames in the market: Giant TCR, Colnago, Ritchey, Deep South, Stradelli... I admire, but I'm too lazy to fuss with charging a shifter, bleeding brakes and adjusting brake pads to the mm., replacing toxic tubeless tire gel/goo/stuff. Bad enough I've a lose chainring bolt, or need to put some air in the TPU... I've other things to do. Like ride.
I love your videos and you’re an excellent strong, healthy man. Your information is top-notch I was running tubeless in eight bicycles if you can imagine for the street 😂😂😂😂 Your video was absolutely clarifying for me
The Colnago C frames has always had a rim brake frame in its line. The first first C frame that was available with a disc brake was the C59 I believe. Campagnolo have four mechanical rim brake groupsets. Thre
If I was going to buy this Colnago frameset (a bit too expensive for me personally), I would build it with Shimano ultegra R8150 di2 (12 Speed). No problem with the availability of rim brake groupsets. I have 2 Shimano Di2 bikes and I really like using Di2.
I should have been more clear on my video. After a decade of using Di2 I don’t want electronic groupset on my bikes. I meant the difficulty of acquiring mechanical group sets. Thanks for watching please consider subscribing
This frame is only compatible with electronic groupsets. Both SRAM and Shimano have cable-brake levers for their electronic groups. Wireless EPS is disc-only, but wired EPS is still available.
@@danc1829 Yes, you can install 12-speed Di2. There has been much discussion in the video and in the comments about mechanical groups when the frame can’t even use them.
@@kidsafe I agree, this is ridiculous, we asked for a di2 Dura Ace 12speed groupset in disc version and got it, we asked manufactures to continue to make rim version frames and we go it but as per usual , TH-cam experts like to complain and find reasons to bash the industry . If you are in the market today and can't find something that suits you, full built or custom built is on you ,not the industry
Great to see you check out the new Colnago C68.. well done Colnago.. the frame even accepts quick release skewers whoo, I’m excited about it but can’t afford one at the moment and it’s only electronic group sets .. it’s also only available in black would prefer other colours.. I love Campagnolo I run 11 speed chrous mechanicals on 3 bikes and will upgrade to 12 speed mechanical campy at some point but 11 speed works excellent.. chorus is first class in my opinion, I do like shimano and would go with it if I had to on a bike as I may pick up new supersix evo in the future 😊 ❤ Pete 🚴🏻👍
I put chorus 12 mechanical rim brake on my titanium Seven frame with the HED Ardennes Black wheels this past year. So yes HED wheels are compatible with Campy
I bought my first Italian “race” bike in 1989, a Bottecchia SLX equipped with Campagnolo Croce d’Aune groupset. I still own and ride that bike. In the years since, I have acquired three Colnagos, a Master, a C59 and a C60, all equipped with Campa Record 11V mechanical groupset. Every one of those bikes performs flawlessly with a minimum of maintenance. I am glad that Colnago is again offering a rim brake option. I am considering getting the new C68 with Campy. I just need to wait until my youngest graduates from college. 😂 I normally enjoy your posts, but many of your comments are just not supported by the facts. I owned a Litespeed Classic with DuraAce components. When the right brifter broke, I had no choice but to go to eBay to buy a NOS replacement. Never had a problem with a Campa component and if I ever did, I am happy knowing that I can find spare parts and rebuild the component. Open your mind to the possibilities of a Super Colnago with Campa rim brakes. 👍
Ha ha sorry bro but I’ve ridden Campy so much over the years and over and over again I say to myself “god this stuff is awful! Why are people so loyal this _____ ?”
Also how did your Dura-Ace shifter break? Tell me more. Because most people think their shifter is broken and even bike shops tell them their shifter is broken but it isn’t.
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad it stopped shifting. Before it stopped shifting it began making a loud crunching noise, then it stopped completely. I am pretty handy with tools and mechanical parts (you should see what I can do with a Holley carburetor). I went searching for repair manuals/diagrams and there was nothing, zilch, nada. I asked my LBS and he said that the Shimano shifters are not rebuildable. That was the end of my Shimano road experience. I should add, however, that I have been successful in rebuilding Shimano XTR shifters on my mountain bike.
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad if I need to explain it to you, I guess that you will never understand. And no need to be sorry. So folks drive Porsches and love it, while other folks are perfectly content with a Yugo.
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I run Shimano R7020 disc brake on a fully hidden cable bike, the 6th Gen Orbea Orca OMR. The mechanic who works on my bikes worked on Grand Tour Stage Winner Jay Vine. He’s a former pro mechanic who was Team Nero Continental. Essentially my bike is set up perfectly. Rear shifting is perfect, but front shifting still isn’t as good as electronics. Well, it shifts, but not as immaculate as it could’ve been.
I believe this bike only takes electronic shifting , rim brake groupsets . So a bit of a mis-step if they are going for the support of people that didn’t want the demise of mechanical bikes.
With the offerings from Wheeltop and the Ultegra R8150 there's still some choice on the rim brake electronic. At the moment Lun Wheels are to me the best rim brake offering in the market: amazing value for money, fast, stiff, light.
@@csarcpab Thank You ! I don’t want to run electronic though. I’ve had it for years the past and doesn’t add any value for the ridiculous expense. I’m not going Chinese ever
Such a great move by Colnago, for the cycle industry to turn their back on rim brakes is very hasty..a gallant move by Colnago. Ive never rode discs tho i understand they're good, but from a cost pov - im staying on my rim brakes, bought a Chinese frame too, for the fact i have rim-wheels 👍
A lot of old school people do not want disc brakes. In my humble opinion they don't offer anything better than rim. Thanks for watching please consider subscribing
Hey George! Campagnolo Super Record eps 12 is available in rim brake. I just purchased a shifter and derailleur, which was easy to source. From what I can see, Dura Ace 9120 is still available as well.
@@thegoodwheel thanks for watching Luis! I’m not a fan of electronics but it’s good that other people have the choice! I had Di2 for years. It shifts great and even under load and all that jazz. But it really doesn’t make the experience of riding a bike any better nor does it make you faster 😂 I’m not enjoying riding a bike exponentially more for the money I’m spending on it 😂 😂
@thegoodwheel I love tech! I’m not against it. I’ve had a power meter since 2003. Do you remember the Polar one that sat on the chain stay? I even had one of those 😂 PowerTap, I still have an SRM - funny story I sold a complete bike for an SRM $3500 retail at the time, Stages and Favero Assioma. I ride a 1040 Solar Garmin because it’s awesome battery life for my multi-day ultras and so on and so on. In fact, I had the original 10 speed Di2 back in 2009. So it’s not that I’m anti-tech I just use tech/electronics when it’s better than the something else epictrain.me/photo-gallery/ See here farm7.staticflickr.com/6020/5933528245_5c75ddd348_b.jpg
Sensah empire pro 2x12 is what you are looking for. ltwoo rx 2x12 if you want to have the same controls as on campagnolo. Where "brands" go nuts the Chinese see a market opportunity.
Exactly I can take any bike and setup that system on 7 speed freewheels all the way to 13 speed cassettes. I do not like the locked in Shimano Di2 system.
@@danfuerthgillis4483 I'm running sensah 2x8 brifters combined with ltwoo derailleurs which seem to be better than the sensah branded ones. 8 is enough and the most durable setup you can have. After 4 years and many thousands of kilometers I can attest that they are quite durable. Of course I recommend compression less housing.
@@rosomak8244 Personally for me the 9 speed systems where the epitome of the top since we had the middle gear for the best chain line on 2x chainring system. That middle gear between the other 4 gears on up or down allowed us to get supper tight chainlines that the 10 speed systems ruined since there is no middle sprocket position. The 11 speed systems bring back the middle position hence why the Chainlines are better on 11 speed vs 12. This also explains why 7 speed freewheels were super quiet, had the middle sprocket chainline and where practically maintenance free for many years. I do agree with you on compression less housing that is a must!.
@@danfuerthgillis4483 I'm considering switching to 9 speed on my road bike myself, since the costs of the parts have come down to about the same territory as 8 speed. And it's not a huge deal, since I would basically only have to change the right brifter. However I just don't see the point in having even more overlapping gears.
@@rosomak8244 That would work, the only issue I have with the 8,10,12 speed sprocket sets is that there is no middle sprocket on the cluster so you need to measure your chainline and hope that your crankset has 2mm longer shaft for spacers in case you need to adjust your chain line, Shimano sucks ass for this as their 68mm compliance means no extra room to offset to the right side leaving your left pedal barely holding on. This is why I use GXP cranksets the shaft is longer.
Always good to have any brand still supporting rim brake, but I think we should fool ourselves, the demand is not enough for both transmission brands and big wheel brands to make more stock or new innovations. But there is still some stock laying around and a lot of used deals. You can still get Sram Force and Red AXS in rim brake flavour as far as I know. Same as some shimano di2 groupsets. Regarding wheels, my preference goes for campy/fulcrum wheels, but not everyone wants to mix shim/sram with campagnolo wheels.
Yes I found out later this is not mechanical groupset compatible. So that reduces the groupset required to a much smaller pool and a lot more specific. Thanks for watching
I know of 2 brands of high quality rim brake wheels that are compatible with Campagnolo drive train: Fulcrum, and Elite Wheels. The latter has been reviewed by Oz Cycle and Hambini. Campagnolo is very easy to set up and the shifting is precise and very quick. However, one must follow the manufacturer's instructions. They are entirely different than Shimano. Of note: I transitioned from Dura Ace. Also, Bike24 and Merlincycles have very competitive prices for Campagnolo Record and Super Record. I have purchased a number of sets from them. Locally, Velomine has very good prices.
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I run all my Campy groups with DURA ACE cassette , not only working but working better because the chain slides over the cogs vs jumping how Campy is designed,
@SeeYouUpTheRoad I bought one bike with Ultegra Di2 with rim brakes - so I can say I have that option available. But my future bikes probably will all be mechanical. I don't think I will still be riding this bike in 10 or 15 years. The shifting is nice, but with the battery, the app and all those black boxes it's just not what I think of when I think of a bicycle.
@@maxsievers8251 not to mention support in a couple of more years for your electronic stuff. Oh right they expect you to buy the new groupset in a couple of years.
@@SeeYouUpTheRoadNo one finishes second because the rim brakes held him back. Not even on descents if the rims are optimized for braking and the rider has skills. And on the flats a good rim brake bike is smoother than an equally good disc brake bike. The difference is not just the weight but the compliance of the fork.
Shimano Dura Ace R9200. If mechanical Shimano 12 speed, R9200 for 11-30 cassette, crank, chain, R7100 STI levers, R9100 front and rear mechs, R9100 or R9200 or Cane Creek EE for the direct mount rim brake calipers, Hunt carbon or aluminium rim brake wheels or HED RC6 jet black.
@@clintnieves sounds like a great build! Only problem is I found out AFTER I posted the video that this is electronic only 😭 Thanks for watching please consider subscribing
Rim Brakes are not going to disappear completely, but certainly won't ever go mainstream again. Campagnolo is not a mainstream brand like Shimano and Sram, and their only target consumers are extremely limited to just Purists or Campag lovers. What Camapag should do is to be the only brand to never ditch the rim brakes and that should be their way to success.
This is an electronic only group set bicycles. I would suggest 12 speed Durace DI2 rim brake or 11 speed Durace DI2 too. You can even use SRAM red axs 12 speed rim break if you can find it. The price is too high for me and I am looking for a aerodynamic performance bicycle
Colnago is now an industry disrupter! For wheelsets, can’t you just use existing or new Shimano free hubs and cassettes? Unlike SRAM, aren’t the chain rollers the same between Campy and Shimano? As for groupsets looks like 9200 Di2 is the only option? I’ve seen pic of a rim groupset on the net…
What do you mean by "there are no current groupsets for this frame"? You can buy DA 12s and Ultegra 12s with rim brakes (even with the option of Direct Mount), but Di2 only. This Colnago frameset doesn't accept mechanical groupsets.
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I can really relate to that and will never buy carbon again. It's a shame that there isn't a mechanical 12-speed Ultegra (with rim brakes). The 11-34 cassette in 12-speed is definitely an advantage compared to the 11-32 in 11-speed.
Hi George, I like this video. It's the first one I've watched. I only like rim brakes and mechanical group sets on my road bikes. I don't like the thought of dropping that kind of cash on a bike frame, much less a plastic bike frame. What are your thoughts on titanium road racing frames, specifically designed for rim brakes and light weight. Similar to the litespeed T1SL rim which weighs only about 1kg but was discontinued.. is there anyone out there making this kind of bike anymore?
I’m not a fan of Ti bikes they are completely over priced and over rated. It’s my opinion but you asked for it. I’ve ridden Ti bikes for years and I can’t understand the love for them. They don’t ride any better than a low end steel bike. You spend thousands and thousands log dollars more for the bragging rights of saying you have a Ti. You look like a fool having spent that much money on a Ti bike. No not a fan! And as a Ti bike that’s going to be that light it’s going too stiff! Don’t buy bikes or frames because they’re light! To make bikes light you have to use less materials and they have to be stiffer materials … think about it … no I mean really think about. Until carbon came around lightweight wasn’t a primary focus. Think about ride quality not weight. You’ve been watching too much Reginald Scott. I love the guy and his content but Ti bikes aren’t that great. For example a Ritchey steel bike would run circles around an “exclusive” blah blah blah Ti bike. Thanks for watching please consider subscribing
Dura Ace 11 speed shifters mechanical do not exist anymore, probably all other parts soon to follow. Finally found Ultegra and bought 2 since these will be next. Shimano didn’t make any during Covid boom and hasn’t 9:28 since. My DA shifter totally broke, and is unrepairable. Shimano wants to upsell electric and disc for more profit. Think I’ll go back to Campy!
Hi George, can you help? My rim brake bike is 10 speed. I’m struggling to find a good 10 speed derailleur to replace my old ultegra. Can I use an 11 speed derailleur with 10 speed shifters and 10 speed cassette? Presumably the derailleur is a “dumb” component and will move as determined by the shifters? Or am I missing something? Thanks for your help! Laurence
While this new Colnago is nice, I don’t care too much for modern rim brake bikes (2020+). I much rather have a bike with disc brakes, outside of vintage steel bikes because they are the bees knees. Nevertheless, I’d outfit the C68 with one of the lightest compatible options and go hunting for SRAM red etap 11 speed groupset. There’s plenty of Shimano HG freehub’d wheelsets to go around in the new and used market, so that won’t be an issue. Likely go for some Dura-Ace or Ultegra brakes tho.
I have a rim break and I am looking for a wheelset. There are not many choices. Any suggestions on what wheelset to get? I have always used Mavic wheels, but they are out of business and I was never happy with their freehubs. Thanks.
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I understand. I wanted to go to an electronic groupset on an older Ti road frame and chose SRAM because it's wireless. The groupset has worked really well overall, I've had a few issues with dropped chains off the small chainring, but now seems fine. So much better than cables for me, so quick! I also have a 2015 Ritchey Road Logic that I love!
Why not building with DA di2 12 speed rim brake? or Sram AXS rim brake? insisting on the mechanical is cute but there is no way would be better than the Dura Ace 12 Speed DI2
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I know you are a purist and not gonna try to convince you but the option of a DA DI2 12 speed grpupset is simply superior, from quality of shifting to the gearing options with 12 s , i don't see how anybody will be disappointed , frame takes electronic group ONLY
My personal recommendation based on my riding is rim for road disc for dirt. I just don’t see the need for disc brakes on the road - I ride 10,000 miles per year, climb and descend 1,000,000 feet per year and I just don’t see how disc brakes are better in any appreciable way.
It’s traditionally a better way to build YOUR bike. And for many years it was the only way. You could only buy a frameset. In fact, your wheels were always custom built. It wasn’t until the late 1990’s early 2000’s that wheelsets were available. Hence you always bought a frame then your wheels and spec out the rest. Also for many years bike companies that owned components would put them on the bike and they were low grade and the consumer would want to replace them anyway. Or you would get Tektro brakes or FSA cranksets and people wanted full Dura-Ace build. For example, Roval wheels were super low end and sucked. Now it’s a top end wheel sold with a specialized you don’t have a choice. And they are cheaper for specialized to put on their bikes. The stems and saddles almost always get switched out anyway. In the early 2000’s working in a shop I would nearly have stripped the bike down and rebuild for a high end customer. On the other hand, for low end bikes it was perfect! Thanks for a great question
Look 795 aerolight. The pinnacle of road bikes. Zed 3 1 piece carbon cranks and rim brakes integrated into the forks. I would take this bike over anything available.
Not excited,due to price…so in truth dentists bike! Personally always gone eBay used groupset..Campagnolo Record/Super Record 11 speed being my choice. However Dura-Ace very fine.
Well Rim brakes bikes these days are niche products. The price of new c68 indicates that. That said my old Ti Litespeed Ultimate it's a joy to ride despite being rim brake brake bike.
Not despite being a rim brake but BECAUSE it is a rim brake bike! We need to stop thinking we are second class citizens because we have our ride a rim brake bike. Thanks for watching please consider subscribing
2:22 I feel the same way about Campag, I’ve never “got it.” Even when I owned Record, I just longed for my Ultegra. And with that comment I am now officially banned from Italy. 😅
I bought Campagnolo Hyperon Ultra wheels last year. Front has developed a slight wobble - mailed Campy and they refused to give me the spoke tensions. Restricted to Campy dealers only apparently. So me, a home mechanic who builds his own bikes can’t service his $3,000 wheels - which have a 2000 km service interval. Do not buy Campagnolo.
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad honestly, the wheels are amazing. Not being “allowed” to service them myself has me absolutely furious. They are no longer owned my Campagnolo since I bought them ffs. Consumer rights no longer exist these days.
I agree with you that is odd. I guess while the wheels are still in the warranty period they want an authorized shop to do the work and if something is array then you would be covered. That’s the only thing I can think would be in your favor.
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad they just want to create this “campagnolo world” nonsense where only campagnolo certified mechanics have the info needed (and special tools) to maintain their products. The wheels have cup and cone bearings and round spokes - we’re not talking SpaceX tech here either, which makes it even more tragic. Literally designed for home mechanics, but not allowed 🤷♂️
yep cup and cone is the oldest tech for wheel bearings. I look that Shimano still uses cup and cone on all their wheels all the way to the top of the range.
£6300 for the frameset and only electronic gruppo compatible......no thanks. I'm still very happy with my Motobecane Grand Premio Pro Reynolds 853 mechanical rim brake frame, my Soma Smothie Reynolds 853 mechanical rim brake frame, and My Soma Doblecross DC Tange Prestige frame. Someday I'll add a Ritche Logic rim brake to my collection just because everybody that rides one including you George says they ride beautifully. Other than that I have three great frames that outlive me, not to mention the gruppos I've been hoarding over the years. Shimano Dura ace 7800, 7900. Ultegra 6800, 6900 and 105 5600, 5700
Exactly George! Come on Colnago, why forcing the consumers to EPS only. I have nothing against electronic groups. but the longevity of mechanical Shimano gruppos is hard to beat.
I wouldn't buy it, I would only buy a remember bike, but you are right. I would only buy shimono and I wish Jamana would bring back the shifters. They were famous for they would make a s*** Load of money. A lot of us do not want electronic group sets
Strange that they are doing it now and a framset for 7k ?!?...so with a lot of search for Groupsets and wheels you will have a 15k bike...WOW...I have 2 Colnagos with Rim Brakes...V1R and V2R...spending that much I would also swap to disc anyhow...
@@brianreinbold2055 yes I found out later after posting the video. Which makes it a nonstarter for me. That’s why for me the perfect frame is a Ritchey Road Logic rim brake
Custom laced wheel 🛞.. they sell hoops, hubs and spokes. The rest is up to you.. I’ve built my own dynamo rim/ disc (q/r).. has never broked and future proofed. I use it on my rim brake or disc (q/r) on road bikes to even tandem bike.. may swap the rear to a 8 or 11spd alfine. (Not a weight wheenie) Who cares what the industry keeps leaning on. Go custom and make cycling work for your lifestyle I can see someone just trimming the surly corner bar or the carbon equivalents on Amazon and run mtb shifters and mechanical levers for that 12spd since road is electric and it does get annoying! I just ripped my cable the other day doing a simple crank service 🤦♂️.. so now my CAAD10 with the FSA WE is useless.. flaws of electric wired! You always gotta be careful, the moment I forget and there goes my Fsa We cable! They don’t sell it separate too
Yep those electronic ecosystems are a huge pain. I guess that would be the only advantage to SRAM groupset that are not wired so years from now you don't have to look for a wire for your derailleurs or battery connections. Good thing that CAAD10, one of the best aluminum bikes ever made, is mechanical groupset compatible. So many sales on the used market for a quality groupset because so many people have abandoned rim for disc or mechanical for electronic groupsets Thanks for watching please consider subscribing.
Yes indeed. CAAD10 feels solid. For 700$ it weighed in at 15lbs with a seam force and red 10spd group.. it gained a few since I want to make it “stock” with the cannondale SAVE stuff.. I’ll update with a vid, it’s still out of service and I’ve been busy..
Campy has to be in big trouble. They are having a hard time surviving the shift to electronic. I could see them becoming the rim brake mafia group maker. That could actually work for them. 1 pro team uses campy. That’s not good
The REAL Colnago is back! My choice are Campagnolo SR EPS and SRAM eTap both second hand with BORA WTO AC 3. But have to sell my house to buy frameset and the rest.💸💸💸💸
Reminds of gas car companies complaining about their EVs not selling. It's a set up. They don't really want to commit to selling them. they will set them if the market is there but aren't willing to be creative and build a market.
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad More do to the high price. All new cars ( gas and EVs(are overpriced and higher interest rates. Lots are full. If a company made a $25-30k EV with moderate features they would sell out. Same for rim brakes for bikes especially with the higher specs (gropusets)
How much bigger than 32-34mm tires do you need to ride on your road bike? Anything bigger than that you should be riding a gravel bike or a mountain bike
Don’t get Colnago releasing this. Heavier than the disc frame, electronic groupset only and that RRP of >£6k is ridiculous. Oh and black only 🤦♂️. Only way this is selling is when it’s on sale.
Yes, I think it was a misstanke to make this fram not compatible with mechanical groupsets. If you want a rim brake bike, it's not far off that you want a mechanical groupsets also. The C series is a niche frame in itself these days. If you want a pure Colnago race bike you go for the V4Rs, also expensive but they all are from Specialized Trek and Pinarello. This bike I would not be surprised it more or less will be built by order.
I’d be more “excited” if bigger companies did limited runs of rim brake version bikes built complete. Tarmac sl8 with dura ace 11 speed! But-that’s in the past. No one wants to see the cables and housing anymore…some how they have offended everyone and they are culture cancelled 😅
Yeah the need to "neat and tidy" front ends has made a mess of things with integrated bars and stems and hidden this or that and then the hydraulic lines going through the headset. What a mess!
WRONG !!! DuRA ACE 9200 RIM is very much available … at least in Canada it is. LA Biccletta Toronto Shimano DURA ACE Di2 R9200 Groupset RIM, $5050.00 CDN ( my daughter put same on her COLNAGO V3RS) and it’s SILENT … on her DOGMA F, she has DURA ACE Di2 DISC and she wished she bought the RIM version of that DOGMA frame … I ride both the Pinarello DOGMA F & X and I’m always getting SPRAYED by diesel trucks here in Central America on my ride and my brakes discs are 😊CONSTANTLY SQUEALING … it’s fucking HORRIBLE!!!!!! I have a whole drawer full of PADS, clean and sand my discs down, replace them, it’s NON FUCKING STOP to try to get away from the noise !!!! RIM is as good as TUBES COMPARED TO IDIOTIC TUBELESS …. (Don’t get me started !!!!!)
Easy tiger with your all caps "WRONG" lol! You obviously spoke out of turn and your look silly now. Because you haven't been watching this channel you don't know that I will not be using any electronics on my bikes. I had the original Di2 10 speed Dura-Ace for 8 years and it was very reliable and great. Then I had 11 speed Di2 Dura-Ace for a 4 years and it was awesome too. But long term I will never ride electronics on my bikes. So even if it is "very much available" I don't care because I will not use it or SRAM wireless either. Thanks for watching though and please consider subscribing.
Hope rim brake compatible parts makes a comeback, I have only one disc mtb, all my road bikes are rim brake and I just want to maintain them.
Get out of the brand conditioning. They never went away.
they will remain for ever, worst case scenario we will have cheap accessible 2nd hand market
Yes rim brakes rule
@@JohnRadford-iy7db correct!! Thanks for watching please consider subscribing
Love to see this ! Finally a big brand that goes the other way of the industry. Older Shimano, Sram or Campy would totally fit on this frame. You can still buy them almost new or new with a little bit of reseach. Would love to see big brands pulling out with a rim brake groupset version but it probably wont happen.
@@450STH does this frame have cable stops?
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad If I understand your question, I dont see them on this frame but I presume that the older groupset version would probably works ? Hopefully haha !
@@450STH someone already told me that it’s only electronic
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Kinda sad then, but understandable with this quality (price). By the way, congrats for your channel. Big fan of rim brakes, steel, and just simple but amazing bike\tech.
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Shimano Ultegra and Dura-Ace are still available in a brake cable version. 105 is hydraulic brake hoses only.
@@maxsievers8251 not direct from Shimano or my distributors where I buy from 😭
Yes. They do still offer it. It's not semi wireless, but it's still available.
I would guess that Colnago is producing the rim C68 in limited quantities and will have no problem finding eager buyers. And those who buy them will have no issue paying whatever it takes to source Shimano mechanical rim groupsets (lightly used or NOS) if that is what they want.
@@thomaskuhn6541 indeed! They have always had loyal fans! Thanks for watching!
I am old and probably not cycling at the same performance as many here, therefore my budget is lower too as to ensure I am not over biked ;-). However, I was in the market recently for a fastish road bike as one last blast and was looking at TCRs. I rode the disc version with Ultegra and then the 105 version with rim, due to a great deal on the disc version the prices were very similar. Honestly though, as I am just riding this for a quick blast and pleasure, also to burn calories, the rim bike gave the much more pleasurable ride and was therefore my choice. I think this will be a hit for people that value ride quality and snapiness of which there will be many. Buyers will find a way to make it work whether than be new Campagnolo groupsets or Shimano alternatives new or old.
If people were able to ride the disc brake version and the rim brake version of the same bike back to back I would love to see how many people would really pick the disc version.
I have three disc brake bikes.
A full Dura-Ace build race road bike - I never ride it . It's too harsh and "too stiff".
A Gravel bike -- I seldom ride it but that's where disc brakes make sense.
A tandem - they make sense there.
I have 8 other rim brake bikes. No matter how many disc brake bikes I service and then take on test rides I don't ever feel like "wow I need to buy a disc brake bike" all I want to do is buy another RIM brake bike.
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There’s tons of options for groupsets and wheelsets. In the debate around this frameset there seems to be a lot of people looking for problems.
I agree , I like George and his channel, I myself am a little bit of romantic when comes to cycling and funny enough own few bikes he does , Tommasini Tecno, Ritchey, Oltre , I really like good bikes and not all rim brake frames were good, not all mechanical group sets were good just how not all carbon frames or disc frames are any good. Between Shimano , Campy and SRAM I have all of them on different bikes for different reasons. While I adore a perfectly adjusted cable group set the new electronic groups offer so much more. Shifting speed and precision , synchro shifting, simplicity when comes to installation, pairing with apps and computer , ability to add wireless satellite shifter for sprint or TT bars , going disc allows to use wider tires , etc. had the industry got stuck on rim , cables and 10speeds groups would be a disservice to all of us. I personally don’t like this new Colnago , the shape of the tubes , the fork, seatpost , nothing matches or flows like used to , I applaud the initiative to build a rim frame in 2024 but using a all integrated frame set like the V4RS and convert it into rim is going in the wrong direction , $7 is for the aficionados and collectors not every day rider.
@@LivoniaLimo But all disc brake frames are crap - they are too stiff and people run creasy wide tires even on road bikes to compensate for that.
Google dura ace 12 speed group set and you will find new inventory at shops willing to ship it out. I am sure that Colnago did the same search and found the same reality. For now, this is not a problem.
@@rosomak8244 big statement unless you have tried all disc frames ,
@@LivoniaLimo The statement is based on mechanical rules. Discs engage the breaking force on a very unfortunate level compared to regular rim brakes.
Maybe there should be an exhaustive review of rim frames in the market: Giant TCR, Colnago, Ritchey, Deep South, Stradelli... I admire, but I'm too lazy to fuss with charging a shifter, bleeding brakes and adjusting brake pads to the mm., replacing toxic tubeless tire gel/goo/stuff. Bad enough I've a lose chainring bolt, or need to put some air in the TPU... I've other things to do. Like ride.
@@stuffgps ride baby ride! K.I.S.S everything else is time wasted! Thanks for watching!
You mean 1/10 of a millimeter, or even 1/100-th, when it comes to the disc brake nonsense.
I love your videos and you’re an excellent strong, healthy man.
Your information is top-notch
I was running tubeless in eight bicycles if you can imagine for the street 😂😂😂😂
Your video was absolutely clarifying for me
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The Colnago C frames has always had a rim brake frame in its line. The first first C frame that was available with a disc brake was the C59 I believe.
Campagnolo have four mechanical rim brake groupsets. Thre
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If I was going to buy this Colnago frameset (a bit too expensive for me personally), I would build it with Shimano ultegra R8150 di2 (12 Speed). No problem with the availability of rim brake groupsets. I have 2 Shimano Di2 bikes and I really like using Di2.
I should have been more clear on my video. After a decade of using Di2 I don’t want electronic groupset on my bikes. I meant the difficulty of acquiring mechanical group sets.
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This frame is only compatible with electronic groupsets. Both SRAM and Shimano have cable-brake levers for their electronic groups. Wireless EPS is disc-only, but wired EPS is still available.
U can get Shimano 12s in rim brake
@@danc1829 Yes, you can install 12-speed Di2. There has been much discussion in the video and in the comments about mechanical groups when the frame can’t even use them.
@@kidsafe I agree, this is ridiculous, we asked for a di2 Dura Ace 12speed groupset in disc version and got it, we asked manufactures to continue to make rim version frames and we go it but as per usual , TH-cam experts like to complain and find reasons to bash the industry . If you are in the market today and can't find something that suits you, full built or custom built is on you ,not the industry
Great to see you check out the new Colnago C68.. well done Colnago.. the frame even accepts quick release skewers whoo, I’m excited about it but can’t afford one at the moment and it’s only electronic group sets .. it’s also only available in black would prefer other colours.. I love Campagnolo I run 11 speed chrous mechanicals on 3 bikes and will upgrade to 12 speed mechanical campy at some point but 11 speed works excellent.. chorus is first class in my opinion, I do like shimano and would go with it if I had to on a bike as I may pick up new supersix evo in the future 😊 ❤ Pete 🚴🏻👍
Return to road rim brakes
Holy crackers they're direct mount rim brakes!!! The best form!!! 😮
@@paulschulman8131 what’s old is new again right? Thanks for watching!
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad don't see my second comment but they're direct mount brakes. Which is amazing
@@paulschulman8131oh direct Mount brakes are so powerful !
Can direct mount brakes clears 30~32mm tires? Also, do Shimano offers dura ace direct mount rim brakes?
I put chorus 12 mechanical rim brake on my titanium Seven frame with the HED Ardennes Black wheels this past year. So yes HED wheels are compatible with Campy
Did you use a HED Campagnolo N3W freehub?
This is an interesting comment. I thought HED said they didn’t make Campagnolo compatible wheels. Maybe it’s for 11 speed? Or 10?
Yes the N3W freehub
I bought my first Italian “race” bike in 1989, a Bottecchia SLX equipped with Campagnolo Croce d’Aune groupset. I still own and ride that bike. In the years since, I have acquired three Colnagos, a Master, a C59 and a C60, all equipped with Campa Record 11V mechanical groupset. Every one of those bikes performs flawlessly with a minimum of maintenance. I am glad that Colnago is again offering a rim brake option. I am considering getting the new C68 with Campy. I just need to wait until my youngest graduates from college. 😂 I normally enjoy your posts, but many of your comments are just not supported by the facts. I owned a Litespeed Classic with DuraAce components. When the right brifter broke, I had no choice but to go to eBay to buy a NOS replacement. Never had a problem with a Campa component and if I ever did, I am happy knowing that I can find spare parts and rebuild the component. Open your mind to the possibilities of a Super Colnago with Campa rim brakes. 👍
Ha ha sorry bro but I’ve ridden Campy so much over the years and over and over again I say to myself “god this stuff is awful! Why are people so loyal this _____ ?”
Also how did your Dura-Ace shifter break? Tell me more. Because most people think their shifter is broken and even bike shops tell them their shifter is broken but it isn’t.
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad it stopped shifting. Before it stopped shifting it began making a loud crunching noise, then it stopped completely. I am pretty handy with tools and mechanical parts (you should see what I can do with a Holley carburetor). I went searching for repair manuals/diagrams and there was nothing, zilch, nada. I asked my LBS and he said that the Shimano shifters are not rebuildable. That was the end of my Shimano road experience. I should add, however, that I have been successful in rebuilding Shimano XTR shifters on my mountain bike.
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad if I need to explain it to you, I guess that you will never understand. And no need to be sorry. So folks drive Porsches and love it, while other folks are perfectly content with a Yugo.
Well Shimano just released rim brake dura ace 12 speed :)
Say no to electronics! 😊
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad yes true I only run mechanical myself but the frame is made for electronic anyways lol
@@Silidons91 yep I found out from the comments 😢
Shimano still makes 12s rim brake Di2 stuff. My friend has it on his Dogma.
BUT it’s electronic! No electronics!
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I run Shimano R7020 disc brake on a fully hidden cable bike, the 6th Gen Orbea Orca OMR. The mechanic who works on my bikes worked on Grand Tour Stage Winner Jay Vine. He’s a former pro mechanic who was Team Nero Continental. Essentially my bike is set up perfectly. Rear shifting is perfect, but front shifting still isn’t as good as electronics. Well, it shifts, but not as immaculate as it could’ve been.
There is the Dura-Ace Di2 12 speed 9250 for rim brakes. It's the one I use on my bicycles.
@@gianni0875 ah yes you’re right. I’m just not a fan of Di2 long term. Thanks for watching !
Dura ace 12s and ultegra 12s rim brake is available in the UK 👍
what???
Only electronic though, not mechanical!
oh ok
@@davidg2731 i got electrical 12s rim ultegra...
I believe this bike only takes electronic shifting , rim brake
groupsets . So a bit of a mis-step if they are going for the support of people that didn’t want the demise of mechanical bikes.
Yes I found out after posting the video that it only takes electronic group sets. Yes big misstep ! Thanks for watching
With the offerings from Wheeltop and the Ultegra R8150 there's still some choice on the rim brake electronic. At the moment Lun Wheels are to me the best rim brake offering in the market: amazing value for money, fast, stiff, light.
@@csarcpab Thank You !
I don’t want to run electronic though. I’ve had it for years the past and doesn’t add any value for the ridiculous expense. I’m not going Chinese ever
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Amen brother! Mechanical shifting is perfect as it is, and almost no one needs disc brakes. I do like TPU tubes though.
Such a great move by Colnago, for the cycle industry to turn their back on rim brakes is very hasty..a gallant move by Colnago. Ive never rode discs tho i understand they're good, but from a cost pov - im staying on my rim brakes, bought a Chinese frame too, for the fact i have rim-wheels 👍
A lot of old school people do not want disc brakes. In my humble opinion they don't offer anything better than rim. Thanks for watching please consider subscribing
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I already did, appreciated 👍
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Hey George! Campagnolo Super Record eps 12 is available in rim brake. I just purchased a shifter and derailleur, which was easy to source.
From what I can see, Dura Ace 9120 is still available as well.
@@thegoodwheel thanks for watching Luis! I’m not a fan of electronics but it’s good that other people have the choice!
I had Di2 for years. It shifts great and even under load and all that jazz. But it really doesn’t make the experience of riding a bike any better nor does it make you faster 😂 I’m not enjoying riding a bike exponentially more for the money I’m spending on it 😂 😂
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad that last remsrk you've made is so true. More money... same pleasure.
@thegoodwheel I love tech! I’m not against it. I’ve had a power meter since 2003. Do you remember the Polar one that sat on the chain stay? I even had one of those 😂 PowerTap, I still have an SRM - funny story I sold a complete bike for an SRM $3500 retail at the time, Stages and Favero Assioma. I ride a 1040 Solar Garmin because it’s awesome battery life for my multi-day ultras and so on and so on. In fact, I had the original 10 speed Di2 back in 2009.
So it’s not that I’m anti-tech I just use tech/electronics when it’s better than the something else
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Sensah empire pro 2x12 is what you are looking for.
ltwoo rx 2x12 if you want to have the same controls as on campagnolo.
Where "brands" go nuts the Chinese see a market opportunity.
Exactly I can take any bike and setup that system on 7 speed freewheels all the way to 13 speed cassettes. I do not like the locked in Shimano Di2 system.
@@danfuerthgillis4483 I'm running sensah 2x8 brifters combined with ltwoo derailleurs which seem to be better than the sensah branded ones. 8 is enough and the most durable setup you can have. After 4 years and many thousands of kilometers I can attest that they are quite durable. Of course I recommend compression less housing.
@@rosomak8244 Personally for me the 9 speed systems where the epitome of the top since we had the middle gear for the best chain line on 2x chainring system. That middle gear between the other 4 gears on up or down allowed us to get supper tight chainlines that the 10 speed systems ruined since there is no middle sprocket position. The 11 speed systems bring back the middle position hence why the Chainlines are better on 11 speed vs 12. This also explains why 7 speed freewheels were super quiet, had the middle sprocket chainline and where practically maintenance free for many years. I do agree with you on compression less housing that is a must!.
@@danfuerthgillis4483 I'm considering switching to 9 speed on my road bike myself, since the costs of the parts have come down to about the same territory as 8 speed. And it's not a huge deal, since I would basically only have to change the right brifter. However I just don't see the point in having even more overlapping gears.
@@rosomak8244 That would work, the only issue I have with the 8,10,12 speed sprocket sets is that there is no middle sprocket on the cluster so you need to measure your chainline and hope that your crankset has 2mm longer shaft for spacers in case you need to adjust your chain line, Shimano sucks ass for this as their 68mm compliance means no extra room to offset to the right side leaving your left pedal barely holding on. This is why I use GXP cranksets the shaft is longer.
Always good to have any brand still supporting rim brake, but I think we should fool ourselves, the demand is not enough for both transmission brands and big wheel brands to make more stock or new innovations. But there is still some stock laying around and a lot of used deals. You can still get Sram Force and Red AXS in rim brake flavour as far as I know. Same as some shimano di2 groupsets.
Regarding wheels, my preference goes for campy/fulcrum wheels, but not everyone wants to mix shim/sram with campagnolo wheels.
Yes I found out later this is not mechanical groupset compatible. So that reduces the groupset required to a much smaller pool and a lot more specific. Thanks for watching
Brother George check out campy chorus 12-speed amazing
Excellent group set throughly recommended.. I run chorus 11 speed on 3 bikes brilliant 😊 ❤ Pete
Campagnolo EPS rim braked sets.. check second hand market they are available .. 11 or 12 speed v3.. so plenty of parts available …
Thank you Richard. I don't like Campy components. But other viewers of this video might.
I know of 2 brands of high quality rim brake wheels that are compatible with Campagnolo drive train: Fulcrum, and Elite Wheels. The latter has been reviewed by Oz Cycle and Hambini. Campagnolo is very easy to set up and the shifting is precise and very quick. However, one must follow the manufacturer's instructions. They are entirely different than Shimano. Of note: I transitioned from Dura Ace.
Also, Bike24 and Merlincycles have very competitive prices for Campagnolo Record and Super Record. I have purchased a number of sets from them. Locally, Velomine has very good prices.
@@sloprun thank you for chiming in!
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I run all my Campy groups with DURA ACE cassette , not only working but working better because the chain slides over the cogs vs jumping how Campy is designed,
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I have a brand new set of ENVE 5.6 Rim brake wheels 😍. Have had it for 2 years. Keeping them just in case I build a rim brake in the future.
You too can look like Tadej ! 😂
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad lol
Don't forget about Shimano, the also got rim of second di2 generation. I bout it when they released it. Full 12s system plus spare pistols/leavers
But it’s electronic. I didn’t forget it. I just don’t want it.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad I bought one bike with Ultegra Di2 with rim brakes - so I can say I have that option available. But my future bikes probably will all be mechanical. I don't think I will still be riding this bike in 10 or 15 years. The shifting is nice, but with the battery, the app and all those black boxes it's just not what I think of when I think of a bicycle.
@@maxsievers8251 feel the same
@@maxsievers8251 not to mention support in a couple of more years for your electronic stuff. Oh right they expect you to buy the new groupset in a couple of years.
Takes balls to do this. Imagine if pog goes back to rim😂
YES!! That’s what’s needed! Imagine if he wins the Vuelta on it? 😂
@@SeeYouUpTheRoadNo one finishes second because the rim brakes held him back. Not even on descents if the rims are optimized for braking and the rider has skills. And on the flats a good rim brake bike is smoother than an equally good disc brake bike. The difference is not just the weight but the compliance of the fork.
@@maxsievers8251 remember when Bernal won the tour on rim and the rest of the peloton were on disc? Nuf said 😂
@@maxsievers8251 correct!
Shimano Dura Ace R9200. If mechanical Shimano 12 speed, R9200 for 11-30 cassette, crank, chain, R7100 STI levers, R9100 front and rear mechs, R9100 or R9200 or Cane Creek EE for the direct mount rim brake calipers, Hunt carbon or aluminium rim brake wheels or HED RC6 jet black.
@@clintnieves sounds like a great build! Only problem is I found out AFTER I posted the video that this is electronic only 😭
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Rim Brakes are not going to disappear completely, but certainly won't ever go mainstream again. Campagnolo is not a mainstream brand like Shimano and Sram, and their only target consumers are extremely limited to just Purists or Campag lovers. What Camapag should do is to be the only brand to never ditch the rim brakes and that should be their way to success.
I remember the days when the MTB hordes where convinced that 26'' wheels are the best... They recovered from that disease.
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Dura ace 12 sp is available as rim brake version.
It’s a no go! It’s electronic and I don’t want electronics on my bike!
Would be good in the frame came with hydraulic rim brakes calipers, perhaps magura hydraulic rim brakes could work ?
I’m sure someone out there is frustrated with their hydraulic rim brakes that would sell them.
Good points
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This is an electronic only group set bicycles. I would suggest 12 speed Durace DI2 rim brake or 11 speed Durace DI2 too. You can even use SRAM red axs 12 speed rim break if you can find it. The price is too high for me and I am looking for a aerodynamic performance bicycle
Yes but it is electronic. And yes it works with this frame but it's a non-starter for me. I don't want electronic forced upon me.
Colnago is now an industry disrupter! For wheelsets, can’t you just use existing or new Shimano free hubs and cassettes? Unlike SRAM, aren’t the chain rollers the same between Campy and Shimano?
As for groupsets looks like 9200 Di2 is the only option? I’ve seen pic of a rim groupset on the net…
To be honest, I would buy a used rim brake bike instead. Shimano or Campagnolo, that's just a matter of taste in my opinion.
@@gerhardschneider7506 it definitely is a matter of taste. There are plenty of used rim brake bikes out there at huge bargains!
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I looked at the bike online - it is very nicely designed. However I'm not spending that kind of money on bikes in general.
What do you mean by "there are no current groupsets for this frame"? You can buy DA 12s and Ultegra 12s with rim brakes (even with the option of Direct Mount), but Di2 only.
This Colnago frameset doesn't accept mechanical groupsets.
@@mk-yg7op CORRECT only DI2!
I’ve ridden Di2 for over a decade. I’m not going to ride it anymore just like I’m not buying another carbon frame.
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I can really relate to that and will never buy carbon again. It's a shame that there isn't a mechanical 12-speed Ultegra (with rim brakes). The 11-34 cassette in 12-speed is definitely an advantage compared to the 11-32 in 11-speed.
@@SeeYouUpTheRoadcurious, why to both ? ie no DI2 and no Carbon frame ?
Hi George, I like this video. It's the first one I've watched.
I only like rim brakes and mechanical group sets on my road bikes. I don't like the thought of dropping that kind of cash on a bike frame, much less a plastic bike frame.
What are your thoughts on titanium road racing frames, specifically designed for rim brakes and light weight.
Similar to the litespeed T1SL rim which weighs only about 1kg but was discontinued.. is there anyone out there making this kind of bike anymore?
I’m not a fan of Ti bikes they are completely over priced and over rated.
It’s my opinion but you asked for it. I’ve ridden Ti bikes for years and I can’t understand the love for them. They don’t ride any better than a low end steel bike. You spend thousands and thousands log dollars more for the bragging rights of saying you have a Ti. You look like a fool having spent that much money on a Ti bike. No not a fan!
And as a Ti bike that’s going to be that light it’s going too stiff! Don’t buy bikes or frames because they’re light! To make bikes light you have to use less materials and they have to be stiffer materials … think about it … no I mean really think about. Until carbon came around lightweight wasn’t a primary focus. Think about ride quality not weight.
You’ve been watching too much Reginald Scott. I love the guy and his content but Ti bikes aren’t that great. For example a Ritchey steel bike would run circles around an “exclusive” blah blah blah Ti bike.
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Dura Ace 11 speed shifters mechanical do not exist anymore, probably all other parts soon to follow. Finally found Ultegra and bought 2 since these will be next. Shimano didn’t make any during Covid boom and hasn’t 9:28 since. My DA shifter totally broke, and is unrepairable. Shimano wants to upsell electric and disc for more profit. Think I’ll go back to Campy!
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Nice glasses! Reminds me of '90s Rudy Project. 😉
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Hi George, can you help? My rim brake bike is 10 speed. I’m struggling to find a good 10 speed derailleur to replace my old ultegra. Can I use an 11 speed derailleur with 10 speed shifters and 10 speed cassette? Presumably the derailleur is a “dumb” component and will move as determined by the shifters? Or am I missing something? Thanks for your help! Laurence
@@Tuffjobs yep generally rear derailleurs are dumb. Give it a shot
Love me some rim brakes on my road bike with Campy group🤓
Me too!!
While this new Colnago is nice, I don’t care too much for modern rim brake bikes (2020+). I much rather have a bike with disc brakes, outside of vintage steel bikes because they are the bees knees. Nevertheless, I’d outfit the C68 with one of the lightest compatible options and go hunting for SRAM red etap 11 speed groupset. There’s plenty of Shimano HG freehub’d wheelsets to go around in the new and used market, so that won’t be an issue. Likely go for some Dura-Ace or Ultegra brakes tho.
The bees knees!
I have a rim break and I am looking for a wheelset. There are not many choices. Any suggestions on what wheelset to get? I have always used Mavic wheels, but they are out of business and I was never happy with their freehubs. Thanks.
Lun Wheeels are top end, stiff, fast, reliable, and actually affordable compared to western brands.
@@remo8969 Mavic would have been my last choice!
@@remo8969 I can get you high quality US made wheels. Contact me offline if you’re in the U.S.
Campy Bora wto. Great wheels
@@danc1829 and what do they retail for?
The biggest problem is shimano-sram-campy no longer make rim brake groups. Well, dura ace 12 speed I guess?
They do! You can buy 12s di2 rim Shimano
Yes but it is electronic. And yes it works with this frame but it's a non-starter for me. I don't want electronic forced upon me.
The 2023 SRAM Red AXS groupset had a rim brake option. Sadly no longer available in 2024.
@@chamfly5783 but yeah a non starter for me first because it’s SRAM and second because it’s electronic
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I understand. I wanted to go to an electronic groupset on an older Ti road frame and chose SRAM because it's wireless. The groupset has worked really well overall, I've had a few issues with dropped chains off the small chainring, but now seems fine. So much better than cables for me, so quick! I also have a 2015 Ritchey Road Logic that I love!
@@chamfly5783 yep the SRAM front derailleur 😕 it’s why SRAM has been trying so hard to get rid of it and go 1X 😂
SRAM 1x is great
@@rauli386 enjoy!
Hi George what kind of bottom bracket do you advise for a ritchey road logic my current Rotor bb1 starting to squak. Thxs
I always use Shimano. Why would you use anything else?
Yea!
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Getting that bike is going to be a big PITA for the owner. Even if you get a groupset today, what happens in 5 years when something breaks?
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Shimano Dura Ace 9200 12 spd in rim brakes. I own it.
@@mudonsunday Thank You! Not a fan of Di2 anymore. You’re stuck in their ecosystem 😤
Sram is not offering rim brakes compatible axs shifters anymore? I was under the impression that yes but I might be wrong 🤔🤔🤔
I’m not a fan of SRAM’s inferior shifting performance so it’s a non-starter for me.
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@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I'm waiting for the release of the new Magene groupset , 2025 should be available outside China.
@@Pmor75 what’s special about it?
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad price, quality, same features as Shimano
@@Pmor75 mechanical?
Dura ace 9250 dm, electronic shifting won’t hurt you.
Ha Ha it won't hurt me physically but eventually it will hurt my wallet lol
Love my Merck's San Remo RIM 😅 in Australia
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You can buy new Dura Ace and Ultegra Di2 12 speed in rim brake
Why not building with DA di2 12 speed rim brake? or Sram AXS rim brake? insisting on the mechanical is cute but there is no way would be better than the Dura Ace 12 Speed DI2
@@ciprian7 better how?
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I know you are a purist and not gonna try to convince you but the option of a DA DI2 12 speed grpupset is simply superior, from quality of shifting to the gearing options with 12 s , i don't see how anybody will be disappointed , frame takes electronic group ONLY
George - for road do you recommend rim or disk?
My personal recommendation based on my riding is rim for road disc for dirt. I just don’t see the need for disc brakes on the road - I ride 10,000 miles per year, climb and descend 1,000,000 feet per year and I just don’t see how disc brakes are better in any appreciable way.
Rim brakes are the new disk brakes? Are headed back already?
Don’t we all wish that were true!
@@SeeYouUpTheRoadwhy the dislike of disk brakes ? (Apologies if you have already stated this and I missed it).
Bar end friction shifter with cane creek single speed brake levers 🤠 lol
Bar Cons for the win!!
Bar-end friction shifters, for ultimate mechanical compatibility! 😂
@@redkeyspoke a la Russ! However, I heard this frame is not mechanical compatible from a comment here
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad yikes, electrical only? Break out the zip ties! 🤣 Is Ritchey the final bastion of sanity?
@@redkeyspoke they appear to be the only frame builder with some sense!
On the website it looks really nice but I do have a question is this a niche bike? ❤❤
@@bb-r5710 yes but they are a niche brand they always have been
What is the main reason why people buy bike frames? Don’t they spend around 20% more to build a bike vs buy a completed bike?
It’s traditionally a better way to build YOUR bike. And for many years it was the only way. You could only buy a frameset. In fact, your wheels were always custom built. It wasn’t until the late 1990’s early 2000’s that wheelsets were available. Hence you always bought a frame then your wheels and spec out the rest. Also for many years bike companies that owned components would put them on the bike and they were low grade and the consumer would want to replace them anyway. Or you would get Tektro brakes or FSA cranksets and people wanted full Dura-Ace build. For example, Roval wheels were super low end and sucked. Now it’s a top end wheel sold with a specialized you don’t have a choice. And they are cheaper for specialized to put on their bikes.
The stems and saddles almost always get switched out anyway.
In the early 2000’s working in a shop I would nearly have stripped the bike down and rebuild for a high end customer.
On the other hand, for low end bikes it was perfect!
Thanks for a great question
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad thank you for the informative answer.
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Good to see it. I’ll never ride disc
@@sillypuddystl2907 I’m being forced to do it 😤
shimano r9250 di2 rim brake groupset is still on the market
It’s electronic so non-starter!
They are still selling campy group set for electronic
Non starter! No electronics 😂
Not the biggest fan of rim brake these days but factually, You can buy brand new Dura Ace Di2 R9250 rim brake
Yes you can and as I have mentioned previously I do not want electronic shifting
Look 795 aerolight. The pinnacle of road bikes. Zed 3 1 piece carbon cranks and rim brakes integrated into the forks. I would take this bike over anything available.
I don’t know that bike personally but sounds great
I worry about just getting cables and housing in a few years …you?
I wouldn't worry about cables and housing at all. I mean maybe 50 years from now but I seriously doubt any shortage in the next 25 years.
Not excited,due to price…so in truth dentists bike! Personally always gone eBay used groupset..Campagnolo Record/Super Record 11 speed being my choice. However Dura-Ace very fine.
Dentist or barrister lol
You can order some ltwoo rx rim brake and drop them bad boys on your colnago bike.
Drop it like it’s hot! 😂 thanks for watching!
Ltwoo works great, but wouldn't look nice on that bike
Agree. Wouldn't do the bike justice.
Well Rim brakes bikes these days are niche products. The price of new c68 indicates that. That said my old Ti Litespeed Ultimate it's a joy to ride despite being rim brake brake bike.
Not despite being a rim brake but BECAUSE it is a rim brake bike!
We need to stop thinking we are second class citizens because we have our ride a rim brake bike.
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2:22 I feel the same way about Campag, I’ve never “got it.” Even when I owned Record, I just longed for my Ultegra.
And with that comment I am now officially banned from Italy. 😅
I just don’t get it 😂 all my Italian bikes have or have had Shimano 😂
Pineapple on your pizza will get you banned from Italy 🇮🇹 😂 😂
I bought Campagnolo Hyperon Ultra wheels last year. Front has developed a slight wobble - mailed Campy and they refused to give me the spoke tensions. Restricted to Campy dealers only apparently. So me, a home mechanic who builds his own bikes can’t service his $3,000 wheels - which have a 2000 km service interval. Do not buy Campagnolo.
Way overpriced and way overrated
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad honestly, the wheels are amazing. Not being “allowed” to service them myself has me absolutely furious. They are no longer owned my Campagnolo since I bought them ffs. Consumer rights no longer exist these days.
I agree with you that is odd. I guess while the wheels are still in the warranty period they want an authorized shop to do the work and if something is array then you would be covered. That’s the only thing I can think would be in your favor.
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad they just want to create this “campagnolo world” nonsense where only campagnolo certified mechanics have the info needed (and special tools) to maintain their products. The wheels have cup and cone bearings and round spokes - we’re not talking SpaceX tech here either, which makes it even more tragic. Literally designed for home mechanics, but not allowed 🤷♂️
yep cup and cone is the oldest tech for wheel bearings. I look that Shimano still uses cup and cone on all their wheels all the way to the top of the range.
£6300 for the frameset and only electronic gruppo compatible......no thanks. I'm still very happy with my Motobecane Grand Premio Pro Reynolds 853 mechanical rim brake frame, my Soma Smothie Reynolds 853 mechanical rim brake frame, and My Soma Doblecross DC Tange Prestige frame. Someday I'll add a Ritche Logic rim brake to my collection just because everybody that rides one including you George says they ride beautifully. Other than that I have three great frames that outlive me, not to mention the gruppos I've been hoarding over the years. Shimano Dura ace 7800, 7900. Ultegra 6800, 6900 and 105 5600, 5700
@@brif56 ha ha hoarders anonymous!
Wait! What? No cable stops for mechanical? Well that’s a non-starter for me!
Just say no to electronic!
@@brif56 and $6300 ish is obscene! 😂
Exactly George! Come on Colnago, why forcing the consumers to EPS only. I have nothing against electronic groups. but the longevity of mechanical Shimano gruppos is hard to beat.
@@brif56 correct! Making a niche bike even more niche 😂
Rim brakes are the best.
@@Lightning77305 correct!
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I wouldn't buy it, I would only buy a remember bike, but you are right. I would only buy shimono and I wish Jamana would bring back the shifters. They were famous for they would make a s*** Load of money.
A lot of us do not want electronic group sets
@@stickmenkissarmy6907 correct I don’t want or need an electronic groupset!
Strange that they are doing it now and a framset for 7k ?!?...so with a lot of search for Groupsets and wheels you will have a 15k bike...WOW...I have 2 Colnagos with Rim Brakes...V1R and V2R...spending that much I would also swap to disc anyhow...
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Dura-Ace ST-R9250
Nope 👎 that’s an electronic groupset. Not riding electronic
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad The frame is only compatible with electronic groupsets
@@brianreinbold2055 yes I found out later after posting the video. Which makes it a nonstarter for me. That’s why for me the perfect frame is a Ritchey Road Logic rim brake
Those of us who live in flat areas don’t need disc brakes, rim brakes do the job.
@@dereknolantan probably good candidates for 1X drivetrains too
Wheeltop Electronic groupset. :-)
@@GlomerTorino nope 👎 no electronics 😊
From how they´re marketing now this bike they will make Rim Brake boutique, couture and expensive AF 😆
@@csarcpab the irony right? Rim brake mechanical should be the value proposition. 😊
Custom laced wheel 🛞.. they sell hoops, hubs and spokes. The rest is up to you.. I’ve built my own dynamo rim/ disc (q/r).. has never broked and future proofed. I use it on my rim brake or disc (q/r) on road bikes to even tandem bike.. may swap the rear to a 8 or 11spd alfine. (Not a weight wheenie)
Who cares what the industry keeps leaning on. Go custom and make cycling work for your lifestyle
I can see someone just trimming the surly corner bar or the carbon equivalents on Amazon and run mtb shifters and mechanical levers for that 12spd since road is electric and it does get annoying!
I just ripped my cable the other day doing a simple crank service 🤦♂️.. so now my CAAD10 with the FSA WE is useless.. flaws of electric wired! You always gotta be careful, the moment I forget and there goes my Fsa We cable! They don’t sell it separate too
Yep those electronic ecosystems are a huge pain. I guess that would be the only advantage to SRAM groupset that are not wired so years from now you don't have to look for a wire for your derailleurs or battery connections.
Good thing that CAAD10, one of the best aluminum bikes ever made, is mechanical groupset compatible. So many sales on the used market for a quality groupset because so many people have abandoned rim for disc or mechanical for electronic groupsets
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Yes indeed. CAAD10 feels solid. For 700$ it weighed in at 15lbs with a seam force and red 10spd group.. it gained a few since I want to make it “stock” with the cannondale SAVE stuff.. I’ll update with a vid, it’s still out of service and I’ve been busy..
@@chaahmongcyclist1066 Yep SRAM Red 10 was insanely light. Thanks for the dialog
Campy has to be in big trouble. They are having a hard time surviving the shift to electronic. I could see them becoming the rim brake mafia group maker. That could actually work for them. 1 pro team uses campy. That’s not good
You are correct John! I don't think their electronic groupsets are doing well. They are so much better at mechanical stuff Thanks for watching
The REAL Colnago is back! My choice are Campagnolo SR EPS and SRAM eTap both second hand with BORA WTO AC 3. But have to sell my house to buy frameset and the rest.💸💸💸💸
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Reminds of gas car companies complaining about their EVs not selling. It's a set up. They don't really want to commit to selling them. they will set them if the market is there but aren't willing to be creative and build a market.
@@salsalawyer EV sales are down. Tesla is down hard
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad More do to the high price. All new cars ( gas and EVs(are overpriced and higher interest rates. Lots are full. If a company made a $25-30k EV with moderate features they would sell out. Same for rim brakes for bikes especially with the higher specs (gropusets)
@@salsalawyer you’re right all I see is top end EV’s being touted where’s the EV for the people?
Flintstones technology
Rim brakes forever discs brakes suck!
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad are you still using a landline and a fax machine, too?
actually I prefer two tin cans with a string 😂
Disc brakes are the absolute worst braking system for road bikes. 😢
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad we’ll agree to disagree. I don’t like the tire and wheel limitations
How much bigger than 32-34mm tires do you need to ride on your road bike? Anything bigger than that you should be riding a gravel bike or a mountain bike
Don’t get Colnago releasing this. Heavier than the disc frame, electronic groupset only and that RRP of >£6k is ridiculous. Oh and black only 🤦♂️. Only way this is selling is when it’s on sale.
Love this comment so much!
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Yes, I think it was a misstanke to make this fram not compatible with mechanical groupsets. If you want a rim brake bike, it's not far off that you want a mechanical groupsets also. The C series is a niche frame in itself these days. If you want a pure Colnago race bike you go for the V4Rs, also expensive but they all are from Specialized Trek and Pinarello.
This bike I would not be surprised it more or less will be built by order.
This could simply be an art peice….last colnago rim brake frame on your wall…never built….7K!
7k now but maybe as an art piece or wall piece it might accrue in value :-)
It’s not mechanical compatible so you are really stuck.
I found out in YOUR excellent video 🙂
@@SeeYouUpTheRoadthank you, I thought it was pretty good myself. 😅
I prefer rim and mechanical
@@XCRiders wonderful!
I’d be more “excited” if bigger companies did limited runs of rim brake version bikes built complete. Tarmac sl8 with dura ace 11 speed! But-that’s in the past. No one wants to see the cables and housing anymore…some how they have offended everyone and they are culture cancelled 😅
Yeah the need to "neat and tidy" front ends has made a mess of things with integrated bars and stems and hidden this or that and then the hydraulic lines going through the headset. What a mess!
My 105 mechanical rim brake bike is basically trash. There is nothing I can do for it. There are no electronic options. Rim brakes are dead.
@@JFomo 😭😭😭
Rim brakes suck
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WRONG !!! DuRA ACE 9200 RIM is very much available … at least in Canada it is. LA Biccletta Toronto Shimano DURA ACE Di2 R9200 Groupset RIM, $5050.00 CDN ( my daughter put same on her COLNAGO V3RS) and it’s SILENT … on her DOGMA F, she has DURA ACE Di2 DISC and she wished she bought the RIM version of that DOGMA frame … I ride both the Pinarello DOGMA F & X and I’m always getting SPRAYED by diesel trucks here in Central America on my ride and my brakes discs are 😊CONSTANTLY SQUEALING … it’s fucking HORRIBLE!!!!!! I have a whole drawer full of PADS, clean and sand my discs down, replace them, it’s NON FUCKING STOP to try to get away from the noise !!!! RIM is as good as TUBES COMPARED TO IDIOTIC TUBELESS …. (Don’t get me started !!!!!)
Easy tiger with your all caps "WRONG" lol! You obviously spoke out of turn and your look silly now. Because you haven't been watching this channel you don't know that I will not be using any electronics on my bikes. I had the original Di2 10 speed Dura-Ace for 8 years and it was very reliable and great. Then I had 11 speed Di2 Dura-Ace for a 4 years and it was awesome too. But long term I will never ride electronics on my bikes.
So even if it is "very much available" I don't care because I will not use it or SRAM wireless either.
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