Colnago C68 Rim Brake. First Impressions + Pros and Cons Of This Frame Set?
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- Rim Brakes are back baby! But should you get the C68 Rim? What are the features of this frame are what are the potential problems of owning it?
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You're absolutely right about traditionalists (I count myself as one). I want nothing to do with disc brake OR electronic shifting.
Here Here My friend! 😉
Disc are great for all-road platforms on 30mm tires and larger, but are too much for smaller tire sizes and on full out road race bikes .
Yes! This! You are so right! I LOVE carbon aero frames, high-tech wheels and everything else. I am no luddite. But I will NEVER buy disk brakes or Di2!
Disc whells more spokes, defintly les aero, hevey uphill then rim brake.
Onlyy thing disc is beter on wet condition and that is it. Disc whells socks@@montrose252
Here's a tip for you. Chains have a quick link, when you buy a chain it comes with one that is the same colour as the chain. Buy a grey chain and a gold quick link, the gold quick link helps you find the quick link easier when the chain is dirty, gives you a starting / finishing point for oiling the chain, adds a bit of bling and cheaper than a gold tooth. Then wrap the grey quick link in cling film and put it in your puncture repair kit for road side emergencies.
That is a good idea. I do something similar with my chains. 🙂👍🏻
Not necessary if you wax chains. They stay clean.
Rim brakes for the win! Long live rim brakes. Disk brakes suck. Let's hope more manufacturers get the message.
“Hope springs eternal.” Disc has its place, it’s place is nowhere near my road bike! 🤪
Even though exciting the major issue I see with this release is that now brands will start selling rim brakes again but as a boutique niche product at exorbitant prices, the irony 😂😂😂
That’s actually a genius strategy!
Step 1) Get rid of light, easy to maintain cheap rim brake bikes.
Step 2) Sell heavier, harder to maintain, disc bikes at way higher prices.
Step 3) Bring back rim brake bikes and sell at higher cost than the new disc bikes.
Step 4) Profit. 👌🏻
I consider myself a modern person, so I’m all for the Carbon frame. Rim brakes I can make work, so long as Hunt Wheels here in the UK keep supplying compatible wheels 👍 🚲
Nice 👌🏻
Hey Reginald, interesting video concerning the Colnago..
Personally I don’t think it’s worth the money they’re asking,and it’s not much lighter than my steel frame and fork.
I don’t follow trends because if I did I’d be in the poorhouse.
Looking forward to your next video. All the best..
Agreed! Thank you. 🙏🏻
I like rim breaks but I wouldn't describe myself as a traditional cyclist, rather as a lazy person who hates to bleed brakes :), I'm don't do descents at 70 km/h, so for me disc breaks are unnecessary, great video as always
Thank you. Yes there are many good reasons to stick with rim. 🙂👍🏻
You like broken rims?
Wonderful video !! I like how you work and how you think, in general, about bikes and brake systems.. Very very good job. Subscribed now. Greetings from Italy.
Grazie mille! Always happy to have more Italians on my team. ❤️ 🇮🇹
@reginaldscot165 Thank you! Glad to be part of your team ! 😃
All that fuss over the brakes...When it comes down to it, it's the tyre traction that decides how effective the brakes are.
Yes, that’s definitely the point.
Im gonna stay rim brakes forever too, im not gonna sell my rim brake bikes, and i also like 10 speeds, how many speeds do they wanna push to us too?
I know it’s ridiculous! 10 speed was literally perfect. 11 isn’t an improvement and 12 is a massive downgrade if you ask me. 😅
@@reginaldscot165 haha yea and im never going electronic groupset either
Rim brake - yes!
Colnago C68 - no!
Too expensive, too bland, you're paying the money to some middle-Eastern money bag. Ernesto has nothing to do with Colnago brand anymore. Buy better alternatives: Stelbel, Officina Battaglin, Pelizzoli. These companies are still committed to steel and are still making their frames in Italy. Colnago C68 is just another open-mold Chinese AliExpress model with ultra-expensive sticker.
Sincerely, 1981 Colnago Super owner.
Not sure if you've heard of Victoire Cycles from France.
@@yonglingng5640 looks good!
Well I don’t think they are quite as bad as all that, at least they still make them in Italy, but I can’t disagree with your assessment. It’s why I bought a steel Cinelli and not a carbon one, at least it’s made in Italy. 🥲
A Custom build Officina Battaglin to your size is cheaper than this C68. A little heavier in steel but once you ride the Battaglin the Colnago will seem less important.
Go for SCARAB
I agree with your concerns regarding t47. It's a failure waiting to happen. Why shell out a significant amount of money for a compromised design. I love my winspace t1500. The latest t1550 is t47 so I wouldn't touch it. Because I use Shimano cranks I'm happy with bb86. If I had a rim brake bike I'd run alloy rims.
You would be surprised at how good carbon rims are now, my Hypers are better than my Aluminium DT Swiss for wet breaking! 😍
I'll second on that my Hyper R33,s are fine equally as good as my alloy rim brake wheels
A T47 bottom bracket in a steel or titanium frame isn't necessary but also not a bad design per se. You gain a lot of space when you use a standard bottom bracket with an adapter to T47 to have room for internal cables - down there.
@@reginaldscot165 I'm a little confused with this statement, if carbon is so good as a braking surface why don't they use it for disc brake rotors? I've ridden a lot of carbon rims and usually they are truly awful for braking. The only carbon rim that wasn't s***e were wheels I built myself from a Chinese brand called Deerobust which had a basalt braking surface. Those particular wheels would literally smoke when you braked and would go though cork brakes pads in around 1000km, but they were as good or even better than alloy rims. I must be missing something, what is the braking surface on these hypers?
the industry is driven by greed. disc brakes are more expensive, require more upkeep, fluids to replace. thru-axles require more care and offer a chance of crossthreading. the same goes for tubeless tire set ups. more fluids, more tools, etc.
Agreed 👍🏻
Colnago don't make the lightest frames .
As a comparison my 25 year old C40:
1260 gram frame only,57cm tt is 555mm.
96' Litespeed Classic,1400grams,57cm
tt is 565mm
'97 Bianchi Columbus genius,57cm 1800 grams
frame only (before repaint and chrome removal).
That C68 would be about $12,600 just frameset in N.Z.
Will just keep rim brakes and mechanical thanks.
Great comment! 👍🏻🙂
How many miles on your C40? The frames being heavier is one of the reasons they last so long and are more comfortable. My C40 custom painted in Rosso Corsa weighs 1100 grams in size 48s.
My primary bike has rim brakes. I rode a disk brake bike for a week last week and I’ll chose it any day over rim.
It would be cheaper to optimise your rim brakes, ie with better pads and perhaps compressionless housing.
Then there might be something wrong with your choice of pads and rims. As a bike mechanic often people don’t know how good rim can be with some good choices and correct maintenance. 🙂👍🏻
No reason for disc brakes on bicycle s period....just another fancy gadget that will die out..
On road bikes I agree. I think they makes sense on MTB, Gravel and cargo bikes. 🙂
Hi Reginald. I’ve got a rim brake Ti Lynskey road bike with Mavic Kysrium alloy wheels with good, new brake blocks and the braking is terrible in the wet (but fine in the dry). However, I’ve got exactly the same frame, group set, wheels, rim brakes and pads on my other bike and it works fine in the wet! Go figure!!
Some kind of contamination or wear? The pull in the cable?
You have 2 identical bikes? 🙂
I tell you what, the new carbon wheels are even better than aluminium nowadays in my opinion for wet breaking. 😍
I built a bike trailer using a bike trailer that was designed to carry children. I took the cover and exterior tubing off. Covered the floor with varnished wood (attached to the frame by stainless steel bolts and nylon locknuts) and then bolted a plastic box to the wood. The box had latches that held the lis more securely and screwed a hi Viz triangle to the back of the box. This has been used to carry scrap metal to the scrap yard, I would recommend getting a mirror for both sides as it helps to judge clearance regarding the trailer wheels
Thank you, yes I was thinking about mirrors. Unfortunately nobody here sells or owns a kid trailer so my project will be from scratch. However that is kind of more exciting. 😅 Hopefully I don’t completely balls it up! 🤷🏻♂️
Aluminium ladders as a base, aluminium camping bed (has good square section tubing), aluminium walking sticks,. aluminium walking frames. Bamboo ( free plans available online),. plastic plumbing tubing and plumbing connectors.
Tell me somebody, how much does it COST the frame maker to create a frame they sell for $6 - 7000???????
A few €100 probably.
@@reginaldscot165 So then it's a SCAM..That's like selling a Ford Focus for $200k..
It is a beautiful bike and if I had the money I would order it.
Cool 😎
At least they know how to fit the brake cables properly .
Well, they did put the holes in the right place. 🙂👍🏻
This is so Tadej can win La Vuelta
That’s an interesting theory. 🙂👍🏻
When you know deep down inside that the way other country's do it is actually better (whether it is riding on the right side of the road or left side front brake) you leave no option unused to claim that your way of doing it is better....
True, the Roman way is the only way. 😎
@@reginaldscot165Eating dormice, sure...
Great video, thanks you.
Thank you too! 🙂
The biggest question is, at what price point should rim brakes be offered in 2025 onward? Is it entry level bikes, mid tier or high end?
All! 😅
@@reginaldscot165 bike shop owners like you wouldn’t stock each and every single one of them anyways 😂
Now we just need pog to ride it
If only they had a choice.
Agree with your press fit vs threaded bottom bracket analysis. I have 2 "press fit" bottom bracket bikes; 1 with BB30 (2 bearings pressed into shell) and 1 with Sram DUB. Both BBs are flawless. So I wonder why Colnago, which has control over their bb/frame quality, went with threaded?
Just for marketing. Most people don’t know much other than following a trend or doing what they are told. So a bike won’t sell as well nowadays if it’s press fit. Cycling media is all PF bad, T47 good. 😅
Rim brakes, yes, but not this!
I have to agree. 🥲
All these horrible crashes in the pro peloton… I can guarantee you that disc brakes are too powerful for what is needed on the road. Cyclocross absolutely. You need them mountain bikes, of course. But road bikes. Don’t need that massive stopping power. You blip break a bit too hard and you are over the handlebars. Just my thought on it.
Agreed, on 23-28mm smooth tyres it makes no sense.
The C68 is a Gucci handbag, a luxury item. Pros don't race on them so they are not desirable to me, for that kind of money. Museeuw winning Paris-Roubaix on a C40 is sexy.
Yes it’s definitely an expensive toy! 😄
@@reginaldscot165 C68 would be welcomed with love in my house if someone wants to buy me one. My beloved steel bike with dura ace 9sp and tubs will always be #1
It is similar to Ferrari's line up.... They don't race any v12s anymore due to poor fuel economy, weight, and engine placement. So, I don't believe it is just a matter of pros not racing on it, and less desirable. However, the fact that the C40 was so dominant, and actually 100% known to be built in Italy in my eyes, makes it much more desirable. Hence why I have had one since 2016.
@@tommyfreckmann6857you just said that it's not about riders winning on it and then stated that you have a C40 because it was so dominant, in the same post
@barriem5318 incorrect. I never said that. I used race cars as an example, bc the C68 is the same concept. Of course, it is about the rider. The riders don't ride the C68 bc of the slight increase in weight, reduced stiffness, etc.
When I saw that price, I fell off my chair :). 7 grand for a frame without handlebars, what a steal. It will sell like hotcakes :).
Ha ha I honestly don’t know, sometimes I think something is so ridiculously expensive nobody will buy it… and then somehow they find all the rich idiots who will fall over themselves to get one. 😅
Thankfully reasonably priced disc brake bikes are available😂
@@Roadbikerider79 Well sadly, compare to this Colnago every other bike is reasonably priced :).
@@Roadbikerider79 Since disc brake era begun there are no reasonably priced bikes anymore.
You don't have the frame so it really isn't a first impressions video is it?
Is there a strict definition of a “first impressions video” set down in the TH-cam guidelines? If not, then this is my first impressions of the bike looking at it in photos and videos. 🙂
@@reginaldscot165 it's referred to as reaction. But if you want to act in bad faith, be my guest, your channel will go far like a cripple run over by a semi on the side of the interstate.
Regarding those titanium dropouts and the aluminum bottom bracket, wouldn’t it be possible to insert a titanium bottom bracket?
Yes. But, that only solves 2 of 4 problems with this system unfortunately. But Ti would be better in theory.
@@reginaldscot165 The 2 remaining problems being?
Blackheart now make a road Ti with rim brakes.
What! They do? 😱
I can see the pitch meeting…. Okay, we introduce a top end rim brake model, high retail price, costs less to make, and BOOM, all of the luddites will swoon over it and maybe we can separate them from their hard earned cash…. Yeah baby, nostalgia play!!!”
I think you are on to something their, only some really soulless corporate hacks would come up with such a devious idea. The sort of people who know nothing about cycling, they really despise pro rim people, they failed to fool us into buying disc brakes and it really bugs them. 😎
I have a bike (not road) from 2010, 3x front derailleur and 9 speed cassette. Love the that bike, and will probably never get rid of it. Still ride it on gravel. I can still get parts for it, they’re however not very available and they cost quite a lot. There will probably always be someone somewhere who can get you the spare parts you need, but don’t necessarily expect them to be sold in your own country and/or at a price you actually think is reasonable. Stop romanticizing betting on dying technology.
You honestly sound a bit confused, as though you are contradicting yourself.
Sounds like a nice bike. 🙂👍🏻 I didn’t have that problem when I did up my 8 speed steel bike. Even though the seat post was some obscure obsolete French size I’d previously never heard of I managed to get a BBB post that fitted very cheaply. Also got now canti brakes for it from Tecktro. 🙂
@@peterwillson1355 What is confusing and/or contradictory to you?
@@reginaldscot165 You didn’t have that problem - good for you, but in the real world this is/will be a problem for most people.
I also agree that if people valued their own feelings and individuality. They wouldn't submit so ludicrously easily. The "authorities" wouldn't get anywhere if people recognized their scams. And stood up in solidarity for a persecuted neighbour. As Larry Fink said in a interview. "If we (blackrock" don't get the change we want. We force it". But you can't force it on 8 billion people that see you for what you are.
Excellent comment, very true. 👍🏻
Where's the bike trailer?
The wife said no…
@@reginaldscot165 😪
Weight penalty for carbon frames? Interesting theory, my carbon frame is sub 700g and plenty stiff.
Well it’s the same with anything really, you can’t be super light and super stiff. Carbon bikes tend not to be as stiff as people think because they make them so light. Nobody would expect a carbon frame the same weight as an aluminium frame, but to reach the same stiffness they need to be made heavier. The stiffest frames are Olympic carbon track frames and they are anything but light! The lighter the frame (like 700g) the less material, the thinner the tubes and the less stiffness you will have.
@@reginaldscot165 You can't really believe that Reginald, that's crazy! I've ridden your bike and it's a sweet ride but definitely not stiffer than my Emonda and to me (and most reviewers) the Lightspeed feels softer. Reviews on the Emonda are good but one of the complaints is that is that it's TOO stiff. Carbon is stronger so you can build bikes with it that are both lighter and stiffer. That's just a fact.
@ €6900 for the frame forks and seatpost and no Handle bars? For that money I can buy a VAN RYSEL with Ultegra 12v Di2disc €4499, and have change for a vacation. I sell Colnago and the C68 is a pensioners bike. The V4RS is the big seller...
For that kind of money I could literally fix my car. 😂
Your story about just replacing your carbon rims might be something you easily can do. I know quite a few cyclists, none of them knows how to build a wheel (properly) themselves.
They should learn . It's not difficult and it could save them a fortune.
That’s what shops/ TH-cam is for. 🙂
@@peterwillson1355 So you’re actually advising people who don’t even own the correct tools for the job and without any know how to learn how to build their own wheels? And here people are worried about hookless wheels. Jeezus…
@@reginaldscot165 Come on!
8:10 so trueeeeeeeeeeee
Super 👍🏻
Rim brakes for the romantic cyclist, x
😍
Pro většinu populace jsou V-brzdy postačující. Lépe brzdí než brzdové čelisti. Proto si nemůžu koupit fitness kolo od Canyon a jiných značek, protože na každém májí kotouče a o ty já nestojím a o jednopřevodník už vůbec ne. Mít vzadu kazetu těžší než 250g je šílenost. To fakt nechci. To je tak dobré akorát na jízdu z kopce, kde to slouží jako setrvačník.
I agree. 🙂
If i buy a supercar, I buy it with carbo ceramic brake , and not with conventional brake. Same thing with a bike .
Not sure what you mean? You want ceramic brakes?
In a super car you are 1000kg travelling at 300kph. What’s your average speed on your bike?
Bro is comparing a bicycle with a supercar 💀 how far do you want to stretch?
What’s next? Comparing to a Formula 1 car?
@@reginaldscot165 Non è tanto per la velocità media, ma quando sei in discesa a 90 km/h e incontri un tornante. Ho 2 bici , una con i freni rims, una con i freni a disco. E ti garantisco che non c'è termine di paragone , i freni a disco pur pesando qualcosa in più restano i migliori .
Don’t get Colnago releasing this. Heavier than the disc frame, electronic groupset only and that RRP of >£6k is ridiculous. Oh and black only 🤦♂️. Only way this is selling is when it’s on sale.
Ha ha maybe. 😅
Meh…I’d rather get a time adh in rim brake frame no worries about group set restriction, and half the price…. They are very compliant riding bikes for me that is
Nice 👌🏻
If you lose friends because of your rim brakes those friends are not real friends. Coming from a person who prefer disc brakes and think they are superior.
I’m being a little hyperbolic but yes you are absolutely correct. 👍🏻🙂
Calling disc brakes stupid is just stupid. I totally respect that some people prefer rim brakes because whatever reason, and even though I would argue discs are both better and better looking, I wouldn’t say rim brakes or choosing them is stupid. Your choice. I think it’s a bad choice but it your right to make it.
I wasn’t calling disc stupid, I was just saying if someone makes a stupid decision you don’t need to follow it. The original example I gave was cut from the video. 🙂
@@reginaldscot165 In btw the lines saying that choosing disc brakes is stupid because you don’t like them. It’s like the vegans, everyone else are bad people while they are better than everyone else.
A wheel is just a large disk and less force is required at the rim to produce the same deceleration as a disc brake calliper on a small diameter disc.Disc brakes are just fashion and faff , they are ugly , and a way for the bike industry to make money.What next , ABS to stop the disc brakes snatching.
Yes, that’s exactly what they will probably do next as ridiculous as it sounds. They have already got plans for electronic/wireless brakes so the next logical step is ABS/EPS. 🤷🏻♂️😅
@@reginaldscot165Hell , the thought of wireless brakes scares me.
8:29 passionate or just cant afford a nice disc brake bike😢
Ha ha when this rim brake frame costs 6.3k GBP I hardly think money is the issue. 🤣
People who are still into rim brakes are a bit more 🦖🦕😜
Ha ha. That’s interesting because 🦖 went extinct not because they weren’t compatible with their environment, but because of extreme external factors that were totally beyond their control. 😅
@@reginaldscot165 Well, the dinosaur with “rim brakes” went extinct 😜. The rest survived just fine and are still around (though in more or less evolved versions).
another premium release. i skip it.
Not a bad call.
@@reginaldscot165 over budget this year i spend to much.