"Absolutely Instantaneous, They Probably Didn’t Even Know What Happened” | Titan Sub Implosion
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- The pilot and four passengers of the missing Titan submersible are believed to be dead.
OceanGate Expeditions said its pilot and chief executive Stockton Rush - along with UK citizens Hamish Harding, Shahzada Dawood and his 19-year-old son Suleman Dawood and French national Paul-Henri Nargeolet “have sadly been lost.”
Rosanna Lockwood is joined by former Royal Navy office Vice Admiral Duncan Potts to discuss the fate of the Titan submersible.
Duncan: “All you need is a slight failure and the whole thing will go almost immediately.”
“Even going down three meters your ears start to pop, imagine going down 3000m.”
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Should this be the last trip to the Titanic?
YES.
Yes! There is enough documentation. It’s not a tourist site either.
Yes. What useful purpose does it have ?
Human stupidity will try next trip...
They should stop naming their vessels with the word Titan.
The saddest thing about this whole disaster is that the 19 yr old boy DID NOT even want to go, infact he was absolutely terrified of going down there but regardless went purely to please his dad. his family made that statement,and the fears he had turnt to reality. the thought of that poor boy going through the terror that he was afraid of from day one saddens me so much. Rest in peace. bless you.
You could say he was just a boy with lots to experience but, he was a man just too young to let his father down. May they Rest In Peace.
He never went. Neither did the other four
@@reggintoggaf7140 sorry what do you mean he never went ? are you implying this whole incident is fake ?
@@ransomedavis2208 yes It’s fake they’re in Dubai living the good life, especially Stockton he dodged civil litigation. I hope the hagles get their money back
@@reggintoggaf7140not even a week and there are already people claiming it's fake...
Bring back the days of interviewing intelligent experts who offer so much understanding into situations. No political spins, just solid, respectable analysis and conversation with the right people.
But our gov is hyper coruupt and owned by the people who own the TV, the good ole days are gone forever
Ah yes, experts. Just like those we had during the plandemic and convid19
@@Cornz38 oh
@@Cornz38In that time of Pandemic , no one knew what to do , was a new territory ,, all Countries adopted different Policies ( in some there were not lockdown at all ) .
Dammed if you do it , dammed if you don't do it .
@@Cornz38 we get it, you're an idiot. please kindly turn off your computer and go take a submarine trip.
As tragic as this is, this is why you need to not skip on safety being prioritised.
Correct, as they are there for a very good reason.....this could've been prevented or avoided.
Who cares let people do what they want. I just wish the karens of the world would shut up. Oh and these guys that died were kinda karens also 🤡
Very much like the Titanic herself where corners were cut to save money.
The CEO refused independent safety review of the vessel and skimped on construction, 7” thickness was recommended, the CEO adjusted it to 5”
I was watching a clip where the CEO said "there's just one button". Whatever happened to backup systems ?
The bizarre thing about this is that the legend of the Titanic has just added another chapter.
Exactly!
When I was much younger, I loved video of corals and the brightly-coloured fishes.
Until I took a dive and found everything to be a very dimmed grey-blue-green.
The sea is a lot bigger than me and I won't want to mess with it.
A company cutting corners needs to be held accountable especially resulting in the death of its customers.
my words!
Like 2 NASA shuttles ?
Attorneys call it, "A Wrongful Death".
As much as it is frustrating, you can't really hold them accountable since even the company knew what could happen. The passengers had to sign a waiver and, on that waiver was explain what could happen. It it just like when you go skydiving, you sign a waiver because you never know if that parachute will ever open.
They signed the release form, why would you sue if they clearly printed that death is a possibility?
There's more than enough footage of the Titanic to see online there's really no need to go down to site but its sad that its taken a tragedy like this to make people realise that the Titanic is better off being appreciated from afar
Once we get our boys back alive we can debrief them and figure out what happened . They have enough air left!
@@michael-4k4000Is this a joke?
It's not the same. Never will be.
@@brockgeorge6437 if they properly conserve their air they should stbe alive. The CG heard the knocking.....
@@michael-4k4000 I hate to break it to you but the wreckage has already been found. They are all dead, the families have all been informed.
It's possible to design a vehicle that will withstand those insane pressures. But that one wasn't it.
Only 10 accredited submersibles can dive to Titanic depth safely, and that sub wasn't one of the accredited 10. But they went there anyway on the grounds of something to do with new materials to make deep sea diving more accessible to consumers and not waiting for regulations to catch up with new materials.
Most people know carbon fibre isn't like steel. Carbon fibre is strong can be as strong as steel but doesn't have the same flex at limit, it's too stiff, and once its fibres really start to go it just snaps, no warning, maybe a split second, but not the length of time metal can give different clues before it fails - carbon fibre doesn't dint or bend and try and hold its shape like steel does, it just suddenly laminates apart and goes snap at the load limit of its weakest point - that point of the cylinder that was starting to weaken the most was probably weakened from all the previous dive cycles stressing inflexible material.
I'd love to know if they scanned the integrity of the several inch thick carbon fibre shell after each dive cycle so as to plot its fatigue history and know when to retire the vessel, especially since it was normal for previous people on that thing to hear cracking noises from the carbon fibre that got louder as the thing went deeper down toward its fatigue limit. Was plotting fatigue even in the equation of this vessel's working life? And was the real time fatigue monitoring they had in the vessel mainly based on how loud the cracking was when it was deep underwater!?
I think titanium was also involved either as a composite with carbon or as an inner or outer shell beside the carbon, but either way the two had to work together to save shape down there. And how would a continuously cracking carbon fibre over time be being affected by the titanium rubbing against it, as the two things don't compress the same in movements under pressure?
One on its own couldn't save the other failing material from that sad ending.
@@bradford_shaun_murray Thanks, James Cameron :D
@@bradford_shaun_murray
It's because carbon fiber is made of 2 different materials that behave differently. Good for cars but bad for deep sea subs.
I can't believe the media and talking heads are still guessing about what occurred. James Cameron made the must lucid and probably explanation of what happened. Cameron said that the loss of communications, loss of tracking, and the sound of an implosion all occurred at about the same time on Sunday. RIP
Exactly and end of Story
I CANNOT AFFORD DYING IN AN ATTEMPT TO VISIT A SUBMERGED SHIPWRECK.
R.I.P.
😂 “cannot afford dying” 😅
@@rainbowpandasays8851 yep, I was playing with words, negative becomes positive ;)
Using carbon fibre to create the passenger compartment for a deep sea diving vehicle was asking for a disaster to happen.
Why? It's 5 times stronger than steel and more durable. The only reason we don't build bridges and skyscrapers with it is cost.
@@aightm8 because carbon fiber is far too rigid and doesn't bend. Steel and other metals are malleable under heavy compression. Carbon is probably the worst material to use for a sub.
So sad hearing that the 19 yr old was terrified of the trip but wanted to please his father. Hope it was instant. Been hearing that the implosion is instant but they could’ve known something was wrong by one of the sensors warning them. It’s a thin line between genius and Insanity , fascination and obsession. No reason u should want to see a gravesite of 1500 people 12,000 feet in the ocean at all. spent more time there then places on Land. Now a final resting place. So sad for the young man 🙏
The latest victims of the Titanic, 111 years on
I was suspicious from the beginning as to what business this teenage son had being on this thing. I gave the father the benefit of the doubt that maybe the son was a Titanic enthusiast as well. Now I am shocked to hear that he was terrified and the father made him go despite that. That is absolutely VILE. Plus the company would have needed to deny him. People who are likely to panic have ZERO business being on this trip.
Victims of the Titan. They forgot the ic
don't think the sensors would have warned them really. implosion happens instantly ones the craft is weak enough. the slightest dent can cause it. think of the sub like a soda can ok? and the ocean is constantly trying to crush it. as long as the can is dent free and normal it's strong. but as soon as you put a dent in it with your finger it becomes weak and crushes. i believe some soda cans even allow you to stand on them when they are empty without them crushing. but put a dent in them and they can't even handle a babys weight
@@lyamorian767 On the flip side, my son is insisting to go to visit the Titanic and I am trying to explain him that we cannot afford it.
Carbon fiber is used in pressure vessels because the high pressure is on the inside, forcing the wall into uniform tension, and thus producing a stable system. But in this case, very high pressures exist on the outside of the wall. As the vessel descends, the external forces increase while the internal forces must remain the same (1 Atm). Given 1 Atm on the inside and maybe near 400 Atms on the outside, the system begins to resemble a vacuum system. Carbon fibers are not perfect materials. A very small impact on the surface (or maybe a flaw or crack inside the wall) might cause these cracks to grow. At these intense pressures (approximately 400 Atm), I suspect that even a minor crack in materials such as carbon fiber would quickly lengthen until the wall shattered in an instant.
Was this the same vessel that was down the past couple times?
@@andystack7449 Yes
Problem with carbon, is that its impossible to remove all air pocket inclusions from the laminate. At extreme depths, these air pockets can explode, which is very likely what has occurred...................
They got crushed into mice meat and there was a report not release on public about the remains of the 5 victims, because of how horrible the scene was, the human meat was literally mix with the submarine in a meat ball.
@@chito2701source bro
……they literally never knew what hit them……better than a prolonged other scenario……RIP…
Phase two - the blame game. Phase three - the lawsuits. Phase four - the mini series.
Lawsuits from whom? All these families are super rich anyway what purpose would it be to sue a company that's gonna go belly up anyway?
Phase 5 in which Doris gets her oats
Phase 5 - netflix.
The documentaries were being written day one.
Phase 5; someone will repeat this horrible thing sometime in the future! Why: because there's a suckered born every minute.....
The main part of it was carbon firbre however the caps on either end including around the porthole were titanium and fixed to the carbon fibre main part by an adhesive. When the carbon fibre crushed inward it would have pushed both ends off in a micro-second which is why I believe both of the ends were found.
But the crew that guide Titan Submersible from Polar Prince knew all along what had happened.
Exactly, James Cameron said, when communications broke, a loud bang was picked up by hydrophones .
Yes , they knew. Even the US navy heard the implosion.
everyone knew except the f a k e n e w s
what a waste of lives, time and money over pride and greed
Painless but shameful.
And avoidable
and expensive
.... It had a toilet
And ghoulish. Wanting to visit a mass grave as if it were a tourist attraction.
@@independentpuppy7520 oh stfu already that was not a problem at all
kicked the bucket while trying to check off the bucket list
It boggles my mind that this sub had gone down to the Titanic 25 times before this undergoing these same pressures over and over again. Honestly the engineers should have known that there would be some wear and tear and stressing on the machine for it to still operate at 100% reliability!!
They should have been running some kind of test to verify the integrity of the carbon fiber each time....and if they can't be 100% confident then they need to decommission/retire the boat.
When you getting paid a million bucks to take 4 people down there for a few hours it’s easy to see why they took risks
its a bit like the thing with the challenger...they KNEW the material was old and too often outta space, ppl told them, experts told them but they did it anyways. Same here with the exception that the challenger was overlooked and was "officially allowed", so to speak. But this thing here...but again: same failure: human hybris.
@@Zion66666greed, what good does it do, they are all dead, no money to be had in death
that's not necessarily what happened. there are sperm whales there and they can dive extremely deep like i think they can actually even dive 2000meters which is around where the titanic is. and quick google search did say giant squid also lived in the area. not that the sub got attacked but rather that maby a courious giant squid bumped in to it causing a dent or maby a sperm whale that by accident bumped in to it or was chasing a giant squid. point is that there are big ass animals that can bump in to the sub by accident. i don't know what ells there could be down there. but there are some pretty big fishys that do live that deep.
Once a symmetrical body subject to external pressure loses it's symmetry, for whatever reason, failure is instantaneous. It's a runaway process.The external fuselage is not subject to pressure difference, so damage will be limited.
Disestablishmentarianism
At least there's a small mercy, that the people in the submersible weren't waiting for death for days. Very sad for their families.
My condolences to the friends and families to those lost
A rough sum suggests that the energy released when the implosion at that depth occured was equal to at least 6.5kg of TNT for every cubic metre of internal volume. An incredibly violent event. Little wonder that it took out the tracking transponder that was totally autonomous in operation and housed in a separate pressure vessel. I'm sure the surface team operating this sub knew at that point what had really happened.
i think that too. The Navi knew it for days, pretty sure
no they didn't. implosion happens instantly and it goes from 100-0 faster than you can blink. it's just an on/off switch. has happened before to subs. 1sec they are talking to the surface and then mid conversation they just lose contact.
Who cares, dead is dead, play stupid games get stupid prizes.. they got what they deserved
@@rampage3337what are you waffling on about
@@rampage3337 The US navy heard it , the tracking guide team knew.
Tragic as this undoubtedly is, they paid their money and took their choice; they knew the risks and took the gamble. Thankfully their deaths were instantaneous and they did not suffer.
Not the 19 year old though 😢
they were heard banging on the sub hull...panicing, knowing they were going to die ! Didn't suffer ! hahaha
They probably didn't know the extent of the risks.
I know there’s some people out there that say ‘they’ve signed a waiver so they accepted the risks’. There’s a big difference between knowing that what you’re about to do poses it’s risks and it’s not 100% safe but the company still does everything it can to make it as safe as possible;than a company who’s purposely ignoring advice and worries from actual experts (+suing someone who worked there and expressed the concerns for safety) cuts corners and uses regular commercial materials that have likely not been tested not have been tested for their longevity. The sub has not gone through the proper testing and approval that it needed to. Frankly i’m surprised that it actually went down there as many times as it did without any injuries. But considering the parts used have never been cleared to use for the depths that they’ve had and the repeat pressure on them, I’m not surprised it imploded. I feel like something going wrong was inevitable .you can make people sign waivers all you want but the company should still be sued for gross negligence and not be allowed to continue to operate unless approved.
It was the least painful or drawn out demise these unfortunate souls could have hoped for. Yes, it SHOULD end tourism. It's incredibly difficult and risky and should not be left to some two bit tin pot company. RIP to the victims and condolencies to their bereaved families.
If I was in a submersible I would hope that if something went wrong, that it would be implosion rather than sitting on the bottom just waiting to die. Death by catastrophic implosion is instantaneous and painless since you are dead before your brain can process what is happening.
I agree that tourism to the Titanic should stop, once and for all. Enough is enough.
Carbon fibre pot
We need to get our boys back!
You don’t know how their death went or if death is the end. Lol it wasn’t instantaneous like how they are selling it to the population because nobody alive knows what happens when someone dies. We know that the brain has some activity immediately after death happens too. They died terrible deaths because they didn’t plan on dying in that way. How much did they suffer during death is irrelevant and you and everyone alive don’t care about them like that because you’re probably not concerned about strangers in your local community who need that attention from someone so caring and concerned like you. The narcissism of humans these days is ridiculous. You have to make sure you your self righteous opinion is seen by everyone because everyone is waiting for your response. This is what this is all about for you huh?
@michael-ir8cj the chances of finding and recovering any bodies is slim at best.
As a father I could never condone my son taking a risk like that. I wouldn't care if he was an adult.
Maybe it's time to work on that so he doesn't become infantilised.
@@michael1 There is a difference between stopping someone....and condoning. I person who loves somebody would never be comfortable with them taking deadly unneeded risk. But that doesn't mean I would do anything to stop them from fulfilling their desires. You're probably not a parent who has lost children are you ?
@@johnwick-ii6il I'm reasonably sure that you would and have done stuff to stop them from fulfilling their desires. Even saying "I don't approve but I'm not going to stop you" is just weasel worded way of trying to manipulate someone emotionally.
And if that's for your own selfish reasons because you're fretting about how you might feel if something went wrong then it's not made better is it? Telling someone not to run because of how you might feel if they trip over is just infantilizing them.
I don’t even have a kid but it still boggles the mind how someone would want their child on a trip like this, especially against their will
You couldn't pay me enough to go down in that thing. RIP 🥀
The pressure is not hard at all to imagine, for people who don't get it, the pressure at that depth is 2.75 tons per square inch. The fact that Mr. Rush was so nonchalant about the whole situation was the biggest red flag. The second biggest red flag is, yes, some of you guessed it, his damn last name.
He was nonchalant because he wasn’t even on the thing. Neither were the four other alleged passengers
@@reggintoggaf7140now here comes the expert detective 😂, please do tell us more of what you know to be factual
@@Heeem57Aliens from the deep kidnapped them 😅
@@reggintoggaf7140🙄 🥱
I had a carbon fiber fishing rod that exploded into 3 pieces while catching a tiny 1 pound bass. Replaced it with carbon-steel and its much better. I guess the CEO never went fishing.
maybe you should have taken him with you, first. Seriously...
Your rod was probably fake or some cheap Chinese crap that was poorly designed. There are grades of carbon fiber. If the material is good enough for Formula 1 suspensions, then it's probably good enough to catch a 1lb fish 🙄
@@dereksbooks Its a sub not a race car. You know why they don't use carbon fiber for non race cars? Because its fragile and not safe.
@@dereksbooks Carbon fiber is not a solid material but instead strands of material folded together. If those strands get folded incorrectly then all its strength is pointless and the only way to find out is to test it. It would take a decade to visually inspect a sub because you need to basically X-ray every centimeter. Maybe learn some common sense because thats in the name carbon "fiber".
They may have not have felt a thing but they certainly knew what was about to unfold. They tried to ditch weight to resurface and failed so clearly they knew of a issue. Its ridiculous that you have to rock the submersible to dislodge the weight in order to rise. A simple quick release system and they'd probably still be here today. Its probably a lot easier to dislodge the weights when you're sat stationary on the sea bed, not so easy when you're descending.
They got crushed into mice meat and there was a report not release on public about the remains of the 5 victims, because of how horrible the scene was, the human meat was literally mix with the submarine.
@@chito2701 The human body is one big lump of fat. They would of been incinerated straight away and turned into ash.. there would be no body parts to collect, what is left of them is particals that would drift off into the sea current.
@@chito2701how’d you get this info? Have you got a link? I’m really interested in what happened
@@chito2701 I wish I could see photos of the remains.
@@chito2701where are these photos?
It is insane people are asking about recovering the bodies. To me it’s common sense there bodies sadly were imploded so obviously there would be no bodies to recover. This should have NEVER happened. Very heart breaking.
I am autistic and it wasn't common sense to me. Common sense is different to everyone.
They got crushed into mice meat and there was a report not release on public about the remains of the 5 victims, because of how horrible the scene was, the human meat was literally mix with the submarine.
It would be like brining back dog food.
Can implosion crush bones?
@@Beeman2892
Yes. Quite easily.
This news is crushing.
"Titanic Sub Company Say They Are Grieving Deeply" Yes I can imagine they are with impending lawsuits coming their way from the relatives of those lost!
When your flight is delayed at the gate, stay calm and let them sort it out before moving that plane. It could be anything but it’s ALWAYS for safety at the end.
"Grieving deeply" is not the wording I'd use haha
Presenter looks quite happy with smile of joy.
Crazy how we’re still exploring this ship even to this day
We know how it was, what it looked like, the people who were aboard it, what more can we study and look at about this ship? Why do people still risk going down there personally when we got cameras to do so? There should be a ban on any human life exploration of this site any further. 😕
I agree, it’s mad.
its literally been completely mapped you can look it up. these people were tourists of whats essentially an underwater grave.
@@kitkat5596human exploration is really important, imagine if human exploration was banned during the earlier days, then Vasco De Gama wouldn't have discovered India, and Christopher Columbus wouldn't have discovered America.
Human exploration was dangerous and it always will be dangerous that's why human explorers have strong willpower. That's why Sailors, Pilots, Astronauts all go through rigorous training.
Even crazier how Titanic is claiming lives even after its sinking more than 100 years ago.
So sad and worse that these crafts aren't monitored for safety and ought to require fitness certificates as is a car, plane, hellicopter and maybe ships (l unsure on the ships)
We need to protect people who are likely to do the extreme.
Condolences to all the families and friends of those persons on board Titan my thoughts are with you all at this very sad and unfortunate time.
From what James Cameron surmises . A loud bang 💥 followed by the loss of communication, happened on Monday. So the fate of the submersible,was known from the start.🤷🚢💀
Strange that we only hear of the 1 sq mile area of debris, and the implosion AFTER the oxygen supply has run out! This is a VERY visible example of the fakest of fake news, and is reflective of just how stupid they feel consumers of this stuff actually are!
The media and people lie. Sadly that is what they chose rather than telling the truth.
I read that somewhere as well. But I thought it was on Sunday shortly after they began the descent.
@@borleyboo5613Sunday or Monday?
@@borleyboo5613it’s Sunday i think Monday they already lost communication a long time ago
They were in an environment in many ways more hostile than space. Humans can wear spacesuits and cope in zero gravity and pressure. Our oceans will forever be challenging. RIP those people. But they knew the risks and humankind requires risk takers for its survival.
The news channels just love a good disaster don't they!!!
I do to
Dirty. Laundry. People need to clean the inside of the cup.
well... i wonder what is working in the background since we r flooded with this. Just a thought.
ofc they do, it makes them money. This is how news have worked for hundreds (if not thousands) of years. As you consume these news, you take part in it all. So stop being a baby.
Look at the smile and smirk on her face. Makes me feel sick.
From my understanding the submersible had several fully automatic emergency systems that would, without manual assistance engage immediately a fault was detected.
There was even a sensor to monitor stress on the carbon fibre hull.
Perhaps rather than pilot action emergency systems were in operation but to late to stop decent before the increasing pressure caused the implosion.
( unlike aircraft there’s no black box with recorded information to find).
This might explain why James Cameron believed that the crew were aware of the looming fatality and desperately commencing surfacing procedures.
Though he’s based this on the discovery of the intact landing skids , tail cone and other items apparent,y intact, indicating they were free at the time of the implosion, found on the sea floor.
What is on the debris trail may tell more.
Everything for the crew would have ended in a micro second..
I doubt they had any time to even comprehend what was about to happen…..
That at least is a comfort to their families because the thought that they could have been trapped and slowly running out of oxygen was truly terrifying. Condolences to their families and may they rest in peace. 🙏💔🙏
I am so sorry for the loss and I pray for comfort for their loved ones.
Do not disturb Mother Nature, why us humans think we have the birth rights to toy with every thing how selfish can we be. Still they won’t learn the lesson and some newbies will definitely again do this or similar kinds for sure someday ☹️☹️
You do realise that without exploration we might not even be here?? Without people taking risks we wouldnt have air travel, we wouldnt have underwater pipelines, we wouldnt have oil. We need people like this who are fearless and willing to risk their lives in the pursuit of knowledge. Hundreds of people died so that we could have safe air travel. The world is bigger than us.
@@mary-janegreen1513 no 19 year old who is was not a student should have not been allowed in there for if they are making them sign up if anything happens kind then it’s already a risky thing and that alone is showing selfish human nature. Loosing your baby to something like that will not heal the mother. He was not on a mission but they were simply touring and that alone is sad
What is the lesson? Illuminate us mortals.
@anak1441 The 19 year old must have been very good in computer games using that joystick
Mostly wrong. Well, we fly every day...
The silver lining behind this tragedy is that the 5 didn't even know what hit them. It was instantaneous. A split second before, they were chatting, a split second later they cease to exist. To paraphrase Reagan, they honor us by boldly going to the surly depths to touch the face of God. May they all rest in peace. Amen.
Yep, basically the implosion and death would have happened in 1 millisecond, and the average body/nervous system reacts to things between 25-150 milliseconds. They wouldnt have even known
Bit dramatic dont you think ? this wasnt Armstrong and Aldrin it was a tourist day trip.
At least it *might* have been sudden. There's a good chance they had some realization. Wether it being from the hull creaking, sensors, or whatever
@@Silverwidows Great! Some of "God's Mercy". Indeed!
Ctuluh lives down there,he is the god of the deep.
R.I. P. Sightseers
I've read most comments i don't find them morbid or creepy, the sudden reaction of the Submersible structure failure, simply obeyed the laws of physics, often out of our control.
“Regulation stifles Innovation,” said their boss. Famous Last Words.
The hubris of this guy. He was literally experimenting with people’s lives.
May the 5 souls rest in peace😢
Yes, they’re already eating peaceably in Dubai, very much alive and well
^ pieces
Well first things first, a carbon fiber hull. I personally make quite a bit of carbon fiber weekly, for different automobile restorations. While carbon fiber is strong, even on dry land after a few years, the resin used in it starts to break down, there's no way i would use that kind of material on a sub or submersible, especially on a piece of equipment that has to dive almost two and a half miles down into the ocean. Water as well as saltwater will reek havoc on carbon fiber after a period of time no matter how thick the said carbon fiber is made to be, and only a fool would choose that material to make a hull out of. The companies (NASA and Boeing) the owner of the submersible said helped him design and build it has come fourth and said they had no hand in it at all. So some one lied somewhere, and it wasn't NASA or Boeing. That submersible should have been made out of Titanium & Tungsten when the safety of people are involved. I pray for the families, friends & people who's lives were touched by the deaths of these people, but this shouldn't have happened at all, because the owner as well as who ever helped design and built the submersible should have known better.
a single piece of really thick 3 foot steel would be more appropriate...
They didn't have the guts to tell us the truth, and I thought they all sounded extra mealy mouthed.
James Cameron has been saying he knew on Sunday that the sub was crushed. There was a recording of it imploding at same time it lost contact.
We can only hope there was not a leak of water inside before it imploaded, as that would have alarmed them greatly.
At least it was so quick that there would be no chance to react or anything. We should all be so lucky.
Still a horrific outcome for what would've been possibly a life changing experience for the 19y/o dude onboard.
Well uhhhhh it was certainly life changing...
@@That_0ne_Dev no it wasnt, it was life ending. hes dead.
No, that tube just as possibly would have given audible signs of stress before implosion.
Well yea, they sent off some sort of safety thing before it happened. So they knew something was wrong.
The carbon fiber tube would have experienced stress throughout the entire trip.
Also the time between a crack opening in the carbon fibre and an implosion occurring is so fast that there wouldn’t even be any time to react.
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You might be thinking of standard Steel alloy submarines that creak under pressures, the thing is those usually creak because they have many different pieces that all have their own unique pressure limit so some start to bend before others do, which causes them to tighten around other parts which can cause the sounds.
The 19 yr old aunt was on TV saying her nephew was terrified & very nervous about going down there but it was Father's day and he wanted to do it for (with) his dad 😢
The TITANIC just sent a message leave it alone.
R.I.P All who perished.
There’s an alarm feature in this submersible that would have alarmed moments before imploding. So they most likely knew they were in a bad place before it happened. I’ve been hearing, that after the alarm sounded, the pilot attempted to ascend the sub back up, but unfortunately it was too late.
The navy detected an abnormally loud acoustic sound consistent with an implosion from the hydrophones in the Atlantic Ocean at around 5:45am, around the time communication was lost with the titan.
How would anyone know that when they didn't have direct communication with the submersible?
@@superspecky4eyesThey did have contact until the moment it imploded.
@@80sretro8The crew on the surface would have heard the alarm then surely?
@@80sretro8 I thought I read that the comms only worked one way.
where did u hear this? And yes, Navi knew since Sunday. At least: they could think of what might have happened. Thats why they didnt spin the "knocking sound" any further...they discussed if it was an implosion or explosion, so they knew something tragic had occured...pretty sure about that. The rest was just for us, the media and of cause: the families
That CEO gave zero $hits about anyone's life and only cared about his own dangerous and dumb ego.
Having two billionaires on board at the same time was a once in a blue moon event, the CEO most likely wanted to be on that trip, who else better to pitch an investment opportunity. This and other high risk adventures have been happening for years its only when they go side ways they get put in the spot light. So sad they had to pay with their lives, but in life its on to the next adventure.
@@bluethunder1951 This. Thought the same and future investors with the young son on board.
Exactly!
I am so glad they did not suffer...god bless their souls
So sad but unfortunately these great explorers give it all at times that’s what takes us forward,,,,rest easy glad it was super quick ❤
They weren’t “great explorers”. They were tourists.
Can someone please explain what happens at this 'instantaneous moment'? The water rushes inside in a nanosecond and so it is the water that crushes them? Or the vehicle crushes down like a can? I can't seem to find any clear explanation of what happens at that exact moment of death. I know it sounds like a silly thing to say but I don't understand how exactly it kills you.
What was told one fella which seems to be right that the water compression creates sudden temperature rise which is more than that of sun temp
So they where vaporised instanteously
@@shriharikulkarni2305 Thanks for that. So it's HEAT that kills them? Blimey I am just never going to get my head around stuff like this. How bizarre (and tragic, of course)
Will they be able to fix the submarine or make a new one? I've got my trip booked and paid for it already and would hate to lose the money.
What
Hello sub buddy 👋🏻
I didn't know there were psychopaths in Sweden too.
they'll get it patched up...good as new
Just a few strips of duck tape would do
I remember my friends father that did some time in subs in the 60's once describing the pressures at those depths as like standing in between 2 trucks head on each doing about 20kph and then you're basically a skin bag, never really wanted or had to think about too much till now.
In layman’s terms, they were fish food in a millisecond. No suffering or pain. Very sad
Rip
James Cameron said they had dropped weight to try ascend as they knew the hull was compromised so sadly, even if it wasn’t for long, they knew there was an issue
It was automatic
The weird thing is, that this submersible (Titan) had 5 other dives down to the wreckage of Titanic... Why did it fail now?
i am by no means an expert and you should probably take what i say with a grain of salt.
but i heard airplanes suffer from deterioration from the constant changes in pressure that they go through throughout their flights. and thus are required to be maintained or retire after a certain number of pressure cycles. it could be similar with this sub. every time the sub went down its changed it material properties little by little until it just gave.
kinda like then you bent a piece of iron too much.
material gets exhausted...over time. Same thing we had with the challenger, didnt we?
@@Bjkg-ku1es That was poorly made O-rings. Sad thing is some people knew what was going to happen but couldn’t convince the people who had authority to stop the launch.
Cyclical failure of the carbon fiber or the glue
The Titan’s frame was obviously weakened by previous deep dives. ✔️
Sounds bad but I wished the CEO did know what was happening before it happened, He probably died smug and happy which I hate
When is it out on Netflix?
literally
Netflix already in business..
Don't give them ideas!!!!! The original Titanic film was an utter crapfest...We don't want any more films about it. Let it lay in peace in Davy Jones's locker.
Word has it Netflix has already produced 20 episodes
*update* they just cancelled all of them
@@Cornz38 was a fun film back then, tf are you talking about?
At 250 grand a pop one would think there should of been more money into fixing or building them more secure
Yeah. CEO's judgement was very flawed.
Now it’s time for this company to shut down indefinitely. Also, the Stockton guy said he worked with many universities and engineering firms. All have denied such claims. So that means he pretty much lied about the vessels safety. Awful.
Cameron says the alarms and hull monitoring system may have warned them of the initial problem. He also said the sub was trying to surface as it had dropped it's ballast
Instantaneous death is probably merciful death but still very tragic and sad.
Yeah people who r saying they did not suffer !!! Hello a death is death there would be suffer and even if it took one sec they did got hurt and realized they r dying so it’s not easy
@@Crowwillbe it did not at all take one second
Titanic sub company say they are "grieving deeply"
Pun intended?
*grieving
@@nowirehangers2815 thank you
@Healing_Narcissistic_abuse no doubt, but it was "deeply" part that got me.
And that their business model has imploded!
Makes my eyes water 💦
I wonder if Mr Rush would still declare his sub to be "safe".......
The question of should this be the last trip to the Titanic, I would not want to go and see a ship wreck where people died even if you paid me £1m even in the safest of waters. I cannot get my head around why any one would even want to go there let alone all the dangers. Have you seen all the paragraphs in the document you have to sign listing all the ways you can be killed? That alone would put most sane people off. So yes it should be the last trip, RIP TO EVERY ONE ON BOARD AND THEIR FAMILIES AND FRIENDS THOUGH.
Exactly! But, "Curiosity, Killed The Cat", and "Fascination, along with Egos", Kills people!"
It's amazing how some whales and animals like colossal squid can live at these depths or deeper but its a challenge for us with machinery to be down there. Rest in peace. 🙏
Exactly! God put us where he created and wants us, "On Land, Not In The Deep, Blue Sea, Nor, In The High, Blue Sky!"
because God knows what he is doing, when he creates these creatures.
Mr. Rush rushed the job and the water had rushed in.
.......and "Rushed" their lives, for NOTHING!
I got no idea why anyone would want to go see this site inperson let alone pay to go. I am sorry this happened
One of the commenters was stating that this vessel had to "rock" to dislodge its ballast? That makes no sense. The best way to retain ballast is with magnetics. lose the magnet (by losing power) and the ballast drops.
It’s better not knowing for them rather then sitting down there stuck waiting to die
I was hoping they were stuck.
@@Whorehopper129 I wouldn't wish that on anyone. However, the saying, play stupid games, win stupid prizes, does spring to mind.
@@Whorehopper129 What a "Cruel and Inhumane" comment to make!
It's strange to me that some rich people died in a submarine and it's more important than most people that die. My cousin died at the age of 14 years old but nobody cared.
@bitinghairy8237 Sorry you lost your cousin so young. People do care. Rich or poor people matter. Its just that in this case its such a very unusual way to die. Sad of course but all people matter. X
People die everyday, but dying in a submersible by the Titanic at 9000 ft doesn’t occur every day. It had never happened before and might not happen again.
" But this sub can't implode "
" She's made of Carbon Fibers Sir, I assure you , She can and She will ! . Its a Mathematical Certainty !."
The most disturbing part of this is the strange obsession that people have with this damn ship...
The Titanic is "Very, Mystical" with a "Deadly Path" to its location.
There are people right now struggling to afford the basics in life and yet these folk could pay out £250,000 each for a day trip! The devil is in the detail, they paid to go on that knowing the risks involved. They wanted to see a disaster where lots of people lost their lives and became part of that disaster. There's a lesson to be learned there. Sorry i don't have much sympathy....
We get it, you're broke and jealous. They deserved it because they were successful and you arent
Peeps sound like they need to get a job instead if waiting for handouts
@@davemaurer7341 I agree a few will be like what you suggest, but many working people are struggling right now and that is a matter of fact! Another fact is these folks paid £250,000 for a day trip out. They were intelligent businessmen not idiots, they knew the risks involved and still went. So i'm afraid its down to them isn't it? Were they forced aboard?
@@DonaldDuck2000-rm6co Yes i know, Oceangate should be made to pay all of them.
Here is an irony.
The CEO of the submarine company (who himself died) was reported to have said that safety is overrated.
I think they cut costs on safety features.
The irony is, the Titanic had the same problem. There were not enough lifeboats.
So both of the people who ran the Titan and the Titanic arrogantly believed that nothing would go wrong, so didn't have the safety features needed when something did go wrong.
Oceangate learnt nothing about the lessons of the Titanic.
It's sad to think of how this tragic event was brought on by peoples' fascination with tragedy.
I was wondering if they had some kind of «black box» on board the submersible. Anyone know? I mean, that could give some answers to exactly how it happened, at least video/sound recordings… I think such vessels or whatever to call them, should have to carry that kind of equipment! What an awful tragedy this is! It broke my heart to read that young Suleman was so nervous before going… Maybe his instincts really told him he shouldn’t go, but still he chose to and maybe he thought it was a «once-in-a-lifetime» possibility? May they all rest in peace! I hope it is possible to find them and return them to their families, so they can get a grave to go to. For many that is so important (I know that from my own family, my grandfather was lost at sea and never found)!
God bless the many thousands of children, who through no fault of their own die needlessly due to waiting for medical treatment which their families are told isnt there, due to a shortage of funds. BUT there's no shortage of funds & experts in finding 5 individuals that knew the risks involved here.
ALL lives matter so RIP to these 5, but there's nothing more important than a child's life & so each & every child should get the life saving treatment they need.
It's a very sad & unjust world we live in.
Whataboutism
It was privately funded. But don't let the facts get in the way of your anti-wealth rant.
Ah yes. The privately funded coast guard personnel, rescuer team, the real certified submarine for search mission, surely those arent using taxpayers money . Also why would they think about fatal safety issue over $250k, that is such an anti wealth mindset.
I'd rather die instantaneously visiting the shipwreck of the Titanic or some other glorious adventure than go into the office all of my adult life before eventually croaking as my body falls apart bit by bit. These people had amazing lives and never had to suffer a slow painful death like the rest of us will. I personally think that's a wonderful thing and rest in peace to all of them.
I feel the same way, this has shown how many miserable people there are among us. Some of these comments...
But they never got to see it.
Spending your final moments locked in a room the size of a garden shed several thousand feet underwater doesn't sound like a 'glorious adventure' to me lol.
You choose how your life ends up. If you spend your entire life working an office job, that's your fault. Nobody forced you to be mediocre and be stuck forever.
That's a good way of looking at it. They lived their best lives, apart perhaps for the 19 yr old.
LMAO keep thinking that. They knew their bodies were gonna turn into ground beef nothing poetic about that
Do they know the depth at which things started to go wrong? Is it possible problems arose midway through the trip, and imploded at a deeper depth? Reports suggest they lost contact midway through decent.
if it was going to fail implosion would be the best way to go. Instantaneous. If it was prolonged and drawn out with oxygen running out in pitch darkness, unable to raise to the surface, knowing you are going to die in what is a 5 man coffin it would be traumatizing, panic, hysteria, ablution, as the oxygen ran out. And who knows what 5 people would do in such confinement knowing you were all going to die. The realisation, the panic, the noise, screaming, hysteria, knowing this is it and nothing you can do would be overwhelming. RIP. Thank goodness it was instant.
I understand that from observing the wreckage the searchers noticed that the ballast weights had been dropped from the submersible, so even though their deaths were instantaneous, it looks like they did know something was wrong before that final moment.
Exactly. . NO body is mentioning this..
That submersible suffered an instantaneous catastrophic implosion, do you not think that might have caused ballast weights to become detached?
@@djabbt4171 I didn't say ballast weights . The landing pad was found apparently somewhat intact as they could easily recognize it. The two are completely different. They lost power. Knew they were in trouble. Released landing pad and somewhere in ascent it blew.
@@donnafrflorida56 Firstly I wasn't replying to you, so never implied you said anything ! Secondly, unless you have information directly from the support vessel, you're making a fair amount of assumptions. Why would/could they release the landing pad, surely, they'd need it when they returned to the surface. I don't know whether they were still diving or returning, but given the magnitude of what happened, and no release of data to the contrary, it seems reasonable to assume it was instantaneous on the descent. Also, one might expect tge landing pad to be intact, it was an implosion, not explotion
@@djabbt4171 I was sharing information from a seriously experienced source of submarinal information. I had no idea it would trigger you so.
Although they did not suffer, it was so fast, they knew something was wrong and had time to communicate this with the ship above, when Titan dropped the ballast. Tragically too late, the subs carbon fibre delaminated.
"My deepest condolences" can be taken literally here.
I truly do not understand this compulsion to see the Titanic first hand. There is a wealth of footage and recovered items available to see. I guess it’s similar to some extremely wealthy people wanting to travel into space. Definitely a first world phenomenon. RIP to those on board.
Exploration has always been dangerous if health and safety get involved there would be no more learning about the unknown people who explore the deapths know the dangers and we should have every admiration for them. Brave people.