LEAKED Titan Sub Transcript Shows Crew In Battle For Lives
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 พ.ค. 2024
- Jeff Ostroff reviews the leaked Titan Sub Transcript which the internet is debating the authenticity of, to see if this scenario is real, and whether the Titan submarine crew really spent 20 minutes fighting for their lives with OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush at the helm, only to have the OceanGate Titan submarine implode before it could resurface. Do you think this is the authentic leaked Oceangate Titan Sub transcript?
00:00 Introduction To Leaked Titan Sub Transcripts: Is it authentic or fake?
01:12 Review of Titanic Sub Transcript starting 7:52 AM
02:33 Transcript shows Titan sub descending to fast to Titanic shipwreck
05:24 First sign of trouble for Titan sub in transcript
06:51 About Titan Sub RTM Real Time Monitoring System for Hull integrity
07:34 Initial crisis communication between Titan Sub and Polar Prince support vessel
08:23 Titan Sub jettisoned the ballast weights and frame, ascending now
08:35 First message from Titan sub about crackling noises aft
10:21 Tutan Sub reports slow ascent, 1/4 of speed expected
12:45 Topside Polar Prince support vessel loses all communication with Titan Submarine
13:01 Time of Titan Sub implosion estimated: 9:47 AM
13:39 Last message from Titan Submarine to Polar Prince support vessel - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
It's very unfortunate this happened - but tragedy brings wisdom. We know that Carbon Fiber unto itself is NOT suitable for diving expeditions of any kind. Further the Titan was constructed without an escape hatch (yes at the lower depths not worth anything) but we don't build subs without a topside escape hatch. It was all wrong.
Stockton Rush's contribution to science was so huge that all humans now know not to make a submersible out of carbon fiber
It’s been obvious for real engineers from the very beginning
@@tonymontana897 I think he's beyond the reach of most jurisdictions
@jeffostroff We were supposed to have already learned from the Titanic to not push engineering past it's limits. It will happen again bc egos are too big. And again and again.
@@jeffostroff The only way I can think of that carbon fiber could work in a situation like this is if it's draped around stronger supports and has a shape a little like a suspension bridge, so that the pressure is increasing the tension on the carbon fiber, and transferring the pressure to, say, steel rings inside it. On the Titan, I suspect the carbon fiber played no structural role whatsoever, and it was the 13 cm thick epoxy that did all the work of withstanding the pressure - until it gave out.
The fact that the engineer that told the owner that this was a " accident waiting to happen " got fired is bonkers!!
It’s so egregious it’s almost as if should be some kind of automatic check when someone is fired from a position like this.
Plenty of design groups don't think they need engineers who are able quickly recognize and explain issues. With enough time and work-arounds, the product eventually ships.
Happens in most profit driven ventures run by sociopaths who disregard safety.
@@k-c plus woke people... I heard that they wanted to virtue signaling and denied help from veteran and didn't wanted "white males" or something...
The engineer was an old white man (into the trash). He got in the way of OceanGate's innovation with his silly white man talk.
The Australian engineer who built James Cameron's submersible said that Cameron was obsessive about every detail and would debate for hours as to whether a titanium washer was better than a stainless steel one. That is the kind of attention to detail and seriousness required for such a dangerous venture. Plus, Cameron always went down with two submersibles in case there was an issue.
How would 2 submarines dock [underwater]? Certainly he's not swimming outside.
@@GodKing804 They wouldn't dock underwater... If one sub lost power or got stuck the other sub would know their exact location and would make rescue efforts more efficient.
@mustymountain7105 rescue how?
@GodKing804 The second submersible could get the other one unstuck with a claw arm or by gently ramming it. One Russian submersible was stuck in the propeller of the Titanic with an American journalist passenger who was terrified while the pilot was speaking frantically in Russian to someone and finally maneuvered the vehicle loose from the propeller of the ship.
Not ALWAYS with two submersibles - not in the Mariana Trench dives, anyway. But down to Titanic in Mir-1 and Mir-2, yes he did.
Former Navy Submarine Veteran here (688 class 1986 time frame) I could not imagine going that deep in anything made out of carbon fiber. Modern day Flight of Icarus
Ain't no way, SSBN 655. Early 80s
literally held together with hopes and dreams.
Anything deeper than 3 feet is far too deep for me. These guys were mad lads level of insane!
The whole transcript talked about in the video was faked. There was no communication with the sub.
@@Kevin-ht1ox
What do you base your statement on? Source?
That "increased acoustic activity that always occurs well before the structure fails" is the sound of the passengers screaming. Foolproof and works every time.
Agreed,a once in a lifetime trip to die for at the low price of $250,000.00per soul&we aren't immortal's¬ a Soul gets out of this life alive the dead know nothing.I feel bad for the teen his mom was suppose to go but she goy scared&talked her son in going fur fathersday.
" Snap
crackle
pop "
Yeah and then if you listened to what he said immediately after that, he said that didn't happen in this case
Well they were right actually. It's just that the timeframe for warning is in milliseconds, not in minutes or hours. 😅
As a submarine veteran we have a saying, "Submarine life is 99% boring interrupted by shear terror". There are 2 types of failures, the ones that are slow and you can catch without too much damage and the other that happens in the blink of an eye.
We used to go to test depth to check out hull integrity and someone would tie a string on each side of the room on the hull and watch the string slack as we went deeper. At test depth we would take up all the slack and make the string taunt again and make bets as to what depth it would snap. Submarine sailors have a dark sense of humor.
Being that the hull was a wrapped composite construction water could have wept through the hull from the beginning making it heavier as it descended. I do not know if they had bilge detectors which would have alerted them of a hull problem. Crackling noises probably was arcing from the battery. If Bus A was shorted out Bus B, if it was next to Bus A, would have shorted out at the same time causing loss of communication. Time of implosion can not be determined by that standard. Only by comparing the Navies report of an underwater explosion time stamp, minus distance from sensor, can a true time be determined. That information will not be given to the public by the Navy but maybe the inquiry will release it with there findings.
In the Navy if a sub is lost at sea and not recovered the crew is considered 'on eternal patrol'.
Eternal Father, strong to save,
Whose arm hath bound the restless wave,
Who bid'st the mighty ocean deep
Its own appointed limits keep;
O hear us when we cry to Thee,
For those in peril on the sea.
Interesting
Thanks for sharing
Excellent post, thank you, very interesting
Thanks for sharing. Very interesting stuff you went through.
Thank you for Sharing, sir and thank you for Your service
Just the fact that the system doesn't automatically send diagnostics data to the top side is crazy to me. Edit: Wow, this blew up, thanks for all the likes
The issue is since they werent tethered al they had was pretty much a SMS system. Which doesnt have massive bandwidth. So short text messages is about all they had to report back with. Thats what Ive been hearing at least.
you can’t use radio wave through water, so you’re quite limited.
of course it sends. This movie is an example of hyenaism, making money based on a false record. It's disgusting
He didn’t like 50 year old white guys. Weird, who wouldn’t want experienced engineers?
By all accounts, the system was returning position and status data at 15-minute intervals. The inertial navigation and telemetry system is made by Teledyne Marine, and uses an acoustic modem to communicate. OceanGate had been using Teledyne equipment from the start. There is an interview around here between Rush and Teledyne. In that interview, he stated that he didn't like to be interrupted by voice communications, and so the system as configured did _not_ have voice capability-but it is available.
My theory: Water penetrated the seam between the Titanium connector ring and Carbon Fiber hull. Water would shoot between the layers as it delaminated gradually. This explains the "gunshots" folks would hear and the damage witnessed by engineers in the "flashlight test". It also explains why it gained so much weight right before the implosion.
I've been on small planes before when I'd say to myself that the pilot didn't want to die any more than I did, so if he was going up, I could too. Here is a situation where the pilot (and builder and owner and advocate) didn't know what he was doing and was more of a cheerleader than a level headed scientist.
The guy was cavalier with safety protocols and standards. The biggest shame is that he took four other people with him.
If so, how was the sub design ever approved and allowed to go forward? I don't think so on the pilot error being suicides. Maybe a couple of them were but in many cases a determination was made that either a poor design, wrong bolt, forgetfulness (pitons), or software error were responsible. Also some of them could have been planned because of who may have been onboard. I'd like to know why the Malaysian gov't isn't pursuing finding the MH370 wreckage. They have a very plausible (maybe 90%) lead to examine, but won't. Why?
Many small plane crashes are labelled "pilot error" when in fact there was mechanical malfunction due to design issues. The airplane manufacturers are powerful and the NTSB will only push back hard with large airliners.
@@user-hc9lp3hb1r Yes, absolutely. Small planes don't have the rigid requirements for maintenance and safety that commercial carriers have. I personally knew a crash victim who survived. Why did the plane go down? Because it was way overloaded. Sad.
@ConwayTwitter Why would this be remembered in 100 years? I think it will all be forgotten in 10 years.
The two most terrifying words in aviation are "homebuilt helicopter" and the two scariest words in marine engineering are "uncertified submersible".
Every ship on the sea floor is an uncertified submersible, including the Titanic. :)
Scariest words in rocketry are "uh oh"
Scariest one for space projects: Were we supposed to use metric or imperial for the measurements?
@@communistsaregross3165 Building one from a kit would be "home assembled". Making one by duplicating the peces from a working helicopter or a kit would be "home manufactured". Making one of your own design would be "home made" and "home foolhardy".
@@The_DC_Kid Remember there was that guy in India that designed and built his own helicopter with very little formal knowledge and was unfortunately killed before it ever flew. He was testing it while it was anchored to the ground and the tail rotor exploded(carbon composite?), sending shrapnel into the cabin. Experts say his design had the tail rotor spinning far too fast in relation to the main rotor, plus the rotor wasn't built to aerospace standards to reliably withstand the stresses it was under.
People wanted to think they died instantly, and they did, but that death was preceded by minutes of absolute terror.
20 harrowing minutes
Yep...I suspected as much...but not like this
Honestly. People are too soft. They need to know how messed up life can be so they can cherish lives more.
Yes unfortunately it was 😢
My daughter has posters of Stockton Rush all over her walls. She wants to be a submersible pilot. Should I tell her?
My claustrophobia wouldnt allow me to be bolted into anything. Gives me chills thinking about it.
Same here. I panicked when I had to undergo an MRI. The chamber was dark and noisy. If I should need another one, I will insist in sedation.
Not even if I was PAID 250K! Not even a million!
I read that each time the vessel dove it effected the structural integrity of the carbon fibers themselves, hence just a matter of time.
As a professional oceanographer who has done deep-sea exploration with submersibles, I can personally say that if your descent rate is too fast it simply means you are too heavy, for any and all reasons. If your ascent rate is too slow, it also means you are also too heavy. When you release ballast, you are as light as you are doing to get. You do not rely on vertical thrust to ascend through the entire water column, which consumes power. We almost lost the DSV Alvin on one of our dives due to an entanglement at depth with commercial fishing gear. They popped ballast and ascended a while before sinking again. Vertical thrusters were inoperable. They shifted weight in the sub and used the horizontal thrusters at max to drive to the surface with maximum deflection and barely made it as rescue divers cut the wires free. It was one of the closest calls Alvin ever had to likely loss of life.
In Titan's case, many things could be the cause. I loved this breakdown. The high descent rate could be an indication of miscalculated or failed ballast, failure of a buoyancy module (if applicable), or a combination of factors. If the transcript is accurate, the difficulty with the release followed by the very slow ascent rate is very interesting. Typically, in a disaster, there is more than one factor. Here, I believe one failure led to a sequence of failures. I think there was a fault in the descent rate due to some failure, followed by hull deformation and ultimately catastrophic implosion.
How many letters per minute was your bandwidth for acoustically transmitted text messages at maximum dive depth from Alvin to surface ship through the thermocline?
@@thekaiser4333 Basically like typing with one finger. However, Alvin has a voice (phone) as well as code communication system. As depth increases, the delay increases. I found the phone to be a bit garbled at great depth and unnecessary. for the most part, you are autonomous and simple text is fine. Hope that helps.
@@oceanexploration I guess for the phone you used the Gertrud system? Up to a couple of 100 yards that should be fine. But not 4000m in salty waters. How at 4000m near a noisy shipping lane like the Titanic rest place? Text? How many letters per minute? One letter?
Or were you tethered?
@@oceanexploration Nice ship, the Alvin.
Quite suitable for Titanic. Wonder why Cameron preferred to use Russian subs?
How many Alvins are there?
Deformation would be usually be the case for sure. But looking at a video on TH-cam from Dr. Chris Rayner going over the accident, he looked at carbon fiber on the hydraulic press channel, and when it breaks, it does so like shards of rock or glass.
To be honest, it wouldn't have been 19 minutes for me. I probably would've had a heart attack from sheer terror and I don't mind admitting that
Same
Period
I definitely would have had a panic attack. But I wouldn't be there in the first place. Nothing about it sounds enticing to me.
19 minutes for what?
@NoMoreQQ 19 minutes of knowing there was a problem?
I'm not a scientist, but replacing solid, thick metal with bunch of strings glued together is stupid.
11:17 When they mention that the sub has only risen 20 meters in 3 whole minutes, remember that at this point, the sub has already jettisoned both its ballast AND the frame. The sub should have plenty of positive buoyancy now and it should be impossible to stop the sub from surfacing. It should be rising like a cork. But they are actually using the thrusters to fight their way to the surface. Those thrusters are designed for moving a neutrally buoyant sub around a wreck, and they would have run out of power long before they could climb through 3000 meters of water.
It's a fake transcript people. Been debunked for awhile now.
To OP.
Which is why this whole "transcript" is *utter nonsense*
"The sub should have plenty of positive buoyancy now and it should be impossible to stop the sub from surfacing. It should be rising like a cork" So why wasn't it?? In a regular military submarine this can happen due to severe flooding of some compartments. But the Titan was a deep-sea submersible. If there is a leak... it's instant implosion. And if there couldn't be a leak why didn't it rise fast?
Because. This. Transcript. Is. Nonsense.
Thank you
Looking at how many shortcuts were taken , the crew weight was probably too heavy and that fought against the positive buoyancy maybe ?
@@2534will I'm thinking that the composite material (in the cylindrical part) had so many micro-fractures in it from repeated dives, that the material was no longer rigid. So as the sub dove, the composite could actually flex inwards, reducing the volume of air inside the sub and thus, reducing the sub's buoyancy.
It would explain why the sub's rate of descent was getting faster, the deeper it got. And why they had so much trouble surfacing, later on. The sub's volume (and buoyancy) had actually been reduced by the water pressure.
Well, you talked me out of any sub rides. I worked in the elevator business for 30 years and Thyssen Krupp Elevators put carbon fiber hoist ropes on a lot of their new elevators. All the hoist ropes broke on an elevator and it dropped, safeties caught it. But Thyssen had to go all over the country replacing carbon fiber hoist ropes with steel hoist ropes, they couldn't stand the repetition.
JFC, buddy. You may have just kickstarted my diet to walk up stairs wherever possible.
A steel company using carbon fiber ropes? Go figure...
Think I'll be taking the stairs from now on...
@@topsteve9898 Especially if it's you doing the ground-breaking when it goes wrong!
You'd likely be fine in one of the metal subs. It was just foolish to use carbon fiber as the material for the pressure hull. No one else has been that stupid.
RTM: what a concept. A system that tells you that you are about to die. Amazing that anybody thought that was a reasonable substitute for verifying hull integrity BEFORE you dive. RIP all, but let's learn.
It does sound (no pun intended) like the human ear was equally able to detect issues too.
They played this off as an advancement over other subs. Forgetting of course other subs don't need such systems because they've been engineered properly and proven safe by independent agencies.
It's like the idiot lights on your car's dash that tell you that you already have a problem!
@@bobjohnson205the gear shift light in older manual cars
That's what that engineer they fired said 😂
I saw this transcript on TH-cam a few days after the accident and it is so sad especially for the boy who didn't want to go but for his father on Father's Day. They died together instead. God's Blessings with them.
Why would you question god about his decision to let them die?? Second guessing god and pointing is wrong decision to him is a good way to get to hell???
FYI the kid wanted to go. His mom has said in interviews that she gave her seat up because her son wanted to go that bad. He wanted to be the first person to solve a rubix cube at the titanic.
This has since been debunked as a fake transcript
they were rich. they lived good lives.
@@gregoryretzlaff7884😅😅😅😅 clearly there was no god for them. He was probably helping a pro athlete win a game or something. Definitely missed the assignment on helping these poor folks.
When the acoustic hull monitoring system was explained for the first time I was flabbergasted. Because even from the optimistic description they were giving it sounded like it would give you a few seconds warning literally right before death. And it was talked about as a safety feature.
To be fair it sounds like this system did seem to give about 20 minutes of warning, the question is: why didn't they immediately ascend? They should not have needed thrusters to get up unless they were overweight
I found another video where they did a dive and they apparently were unable to ascend, so this is not a new thing at all. They likely either had a defective system for dropping ballast or were way overweight
@@davedoe6445when we built sub we test their hull and know what’s their capabilities is and we test 20 percent more than designated depth and we forge them from strong durable material , the idea of building acoustic moniters to tell us that ur hull is failing is reallly reflective of the harsh reality of the poor design they had , I gotta admit it worked for dozens of times but it is not as recyclable or durable like titanium or steel
@@midokhalil1558no it should have been a metal sphere, the design was just plain unsafe. It was very unethical of them to sell commercial tickets for such an experimental craft
@@davedoe6445 well rush managed to get around that by calling them a mission specialist and having them to carry a bucket or tight a nut with a wrench and he named their participation as financing science endeavors, and he let them know it was experimental, it did work but I agree it was an unsafe design I would not do it and I will be 100 percent safe in a titanium sphere or steel sphere , even if it was from titanium the cylinder design will be subjugated to stress points around the welds area and nuts and could fail if not tested and also it would have been a really costly approach that rush himself was trying to avoid
I'm a US Navy sub veteran, served four years on one of the 637-class fast-attack submarines. NEC 3354. We had several near misses; it's why we called our boat "the boat from Hell." On three separate occasions, I didn't just think we were dead, I flat-out knew it. Hell, ALL of us knew we were done... but somehow we all managed to survive each without so much as a scratch. SMH.
I can tell you, when you're in that situation... when you know you're in deep sh!t, time seems to slow down, you suddenly become more aware of things, perceptually. The sense of fear, that comes with the knowledge that you're about to be crushed, will in one way make you want to freeze, yet in another way make you want to scream and run around like a lunatic...
The crackling sounds combined with the RTM system going full red, and the inability to ascend...? Yeah, they knew what was coming. And once it became clear, that they were done...?
You make your peace with God, say a final prayer, perhaps ask God to look after your loved ones, because you won't be there... and then you wait. Because that's all you CAN do... At least they had enough time to make their peace with God.
I decided against Nuke and went with electronics instead (hated physics, loved math). Thank you for your insight. Sub riders have the best stories.
I appreciate your comment. I also pray they had enough time to make peace with their creator. I just can’t truly fathom how terrifying this must have been for them. Your comment opened my eyes a little bit. Thank you for your service, to both of you.
So what could be the reason of the slow ascent ? Change on the buyancy equation ? Water ingress in the back compartment ? This would have titled the sub no ? If these comms are the only data transmitted (depth and time stamp) it would indicate a piss poor design and implementation. Nothing relative to the horizontal and vertical position of the sub ? They are in pitch black environement for god^s sake how can they judge they are levelled out ? Jeez that whole operation looks like a dinky toy game gone bad.
my guess is those atheists would be praying too
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Basically this is as James Cameron described it, the crackling described in the transcript is the carbon farber delaminating which water then ingresses and is likely the crackling sound they heard and why they had power failures on the vertical thrust unit. If this is genuine this would have been unimaginably terrifying for the entire crew, impending death. Sheer terror, I do hope the boy and his dad in this awful moment have the presence of mind to embrace and hold each other in those last moment. It's so very sad.
That's what I was thinking about the father & son. Supposedly the son went still trying to get his father to love him so maybe the father finally said, "I love you" and they were at peace❤
@@jillsy2815this was a horrible event let’s be careful with fanfiction.
@@HazeLmaowhy do we need to be careful?
"Happy Father's Day"
It happened in .03 seconds. The rate of the delamination would have very rapid at the depth with the pressure.
Imagine the young kid in there, how he was feeling, absolutely disgraceful
According to his mom, he actually wanted to go. He also brought a Rubik’s cube to break a World Record while down there.
Probably would not have made a difference, but there should have been some sort of automatic jettison of the ballast and frame at the first RTM alarm. You would have to look at the transcripts of previous dives to see if the RTM alarms were considered "normal" and ignored. They didn't jettison or attempt to ascend until the thrusters failed to retard the descent rate, which would indicate that buoyancy had already been affected, which would also seem to be indicated by the faster than normal descent rate. That fact alone should have aborted the mission at the 15 minute mark. Aborting the mission between the 15 minute mark and the 1 hour check in were probably the only opportunities to save the crew. Careful observation of the descent profile should have been protocol.
James Cameron mentioning in a recent interview that they could probably hear the delamination of the Titan sub looks to be proven true. How terrifying.
Yes whoever made up this fanfiction transcript made sure they incorporated what Cameron said for "credibility" . The ratio of people falling for this vs. people who think this is a huge red flag is shamefully large.
@@richardb4313ere's no "real" reason to believe either side though, other than one's desire to be on A side. A true rational personal wouldn't make a decision on the veracity of it until it's proven.
People have leaked gore pictures of famous people accidents/deaths, "confidential" messages between high ranking figures, and many other, more relevant information. So no, I wouldn't doubt this is real. But it can always be fake until confirm by trusted sources (and even then, what a "trusted source" is debatable nowadays). So why be so passionate about one side or the other? You are an example of your own comment.
@@richardb4313 I'm willing to tentatively accept this. We know that this sub failed, we know that it imploded catastrophically, the only thing we don't know yet was the cause. Yes, people may believe this, and currently I find it plausible. I appreciate there are a shamefully large number of people that will fall for claims without credible evidence, as in about 75% of the people on this planet. I find it a little surprising that so many believe things that are not plausible, for example that there is a wizard daddy in the sky that created the cosmos and earth out of nothing, many even believe this was done in six days. Back in the day folks lived to a hundred, and a global flood happened where societies that were on the planet at this time never even noticed this happening.
@@richardb4313how u know it fake Richard B
@@richardb4313 Just like your ego is shamefully large. Perhaps, you should present why you think this is made-up to help people understand why you believe it's a red flag, rather than just trying to act like you're superior than everyone? What good does it do to be so upset about it if you're not going to promote actual change?
Just imagine the helplessness you’d feel knowing that you’re almost 4 km down, you hear the cracking sounds, the alarm turns red. Not to mention the fact that they were ascending super slowly.
I get so sad when i think about that kid, imagine the anxiety descending down because he didnt even wanna go in the first place….now imagine him realizing how fucked and unlucky he was at that moment in that sub when he saw Mr. Rush get nervy himself….
They knew the risks. Don’t feel bad for them.
@@BionicPig95 The kid didn't sign up for it willingly. Him I feel bad for. The adults, whatever.
@@Roadent1241 yes he did. He felt pressured, but he still did it willingly.
@@Roadent1241 and the pressure he felt from daddy was nothing compared to the pressure that killed him lol
Descending into total blackness for 2 1/2 hours in that tin can - the stuff of nightmares for me.
Same here, watching a TV documentary from the safety of my sofa is the maximum I’d go for with subjects like this
The navy knows EXACTLY when the sub IMPLODED.
Here’s a summary I found of what happened based on the transcript (assuming it is real):
1. Water works it's way into the voids in the carbon fiber. They had sprayed the exterior of the CF wrap with Rhino Liner used in truck beds. If that outer shell breached that would let water in which could in turn fill cracks and voids in the CF hull.
2. That water ingress added weight which accelerated their decent, making pressure on the hull (already damaged) build faster than expected.
3. They try and slow decent but now they're heavy and dropping ballast isn't enough. They decide to go nuclear and drop the landing frame off the bottom.
4. Something goes wrong and they can't immediately drop the frame, meaning they continue to descend even deeper. When they finally get it free they're only rising at 25% the rate they expect.
5. It's too late, and the hull fails by the rear mounting ring and sub implodes.
6. The support ship factors in that 25% ascent rate and waits 8 hours before calling for help, hoping the electrical system failed and they're still slowly rising.
Concur with all point except they might not have had water ingress if the hull was being compressed. That could reduce buoyancy rather a lot. I can imagine failure of the end cap attachment in which the fiber yields and buckles locally in the retaining ring, and you lose several inches of hull length. Deformation would also explain the difficulty dropping the landing frame.
Also explains why the recovered landing frame was undamaged if it was dropped before the implosion.
I think you nailed it. They had water intrusion into the AFT, which sped up their descent. They should have noticed speed and aborted on the down much earlier. With that intrusion, the ascent was way too slow. 20 minutes in terror.....
I wonder if dropping the landing frame was difficult because the craft was already deformed.
6. Good explanation for the delay!
yea … water ingress ? where ? The only points that could really have any ingress without it being visibly obvious is where the end rings mate to the pressure hull. There isn’t enough room anywhere there to have that drastic a weight change. There isn’t any way you wouldn’t notice the amount of water it would take to cause that rapid a decent coming into the vessel. The pressure hull buckled or the adhesive used to affix the end rings was squeezed over multiple dives causing its most likely brittle cured state to cause the ring to “come unglued” as it were
I was a Submariner who had the best metals to protect us. To think they went in Carbon fiber just boogles my mind. We trained and trained and qualified on our ships for far less money than they did just to joy ride. It's sad to think that people who know what's right weren't consulted or ignored.
Ignored, dismissed and fired.
I very seriously doubt the Navy qualified anything for a $1M. To have actually built this right, and capable of having 5-6 passengers with all primary/redundant safety systems, certified for use with all top-notched trained and certified personnel for operations, would likely cost $50-100M. I could understand why the DESIRED choice of CF given its strength per mass, resulting in an overall less weight per volume and then payload capacity...But, in the end it was plain stupid though. The Navy OTOH has a virtual "unlimited" budget for such things in comparison.
The ceo said he didn't want white veterans. He wanted young kids
The last item they jettisoned was the frame, which may have provided some structural strength to the vessel. Ascending without it may have caused too much flex in the tube-shaped carbon fiber hull, which most likely had microscopic fractures.
"Inspiring diversity" was a good cover story for his cost cutting. How much did the "50 year old white guy" sub vets demand in salary, and how quickly would said vets have punched Rush in the nose after seeing his shoddy operation?
The fact that the mother ship asked about the descent rate smells fishy. I conjecture Stockman Rush put extra ballast weight on that day, so the submersible could descend faster. Why? So the passengers could spend more time at the bottom exploring, listening to the French man’s interesting, educated commentary and answer questions. This may also be why they had difficulty shedding the ballast. Maybe not enough came off, as the ascent was too slow. When I work on plumbing and have to free something stuck, I slowly apply pressure with my wrench and the fitting gives. I slowly continue to loosen the stuck item. If I grabbed my wrench and put a lot of quick muscle into it, giving it a honk, I could easily break the fitting. Same here, quickly descending super stressed the vessel, causing failure. Had they descended slowly, the pressure would have been applied gradually, and may not have failed. A normal descent though, would have given the passengers limited time to explore the wreck. Perhaps 20 minutes? And then have to ascend. Concentrate on if the preparing crew added extra weight to the submersible that day, to make it descend faster, in an effort to allow more exploring time at the bottom. Such a tragic disaster. I feel very sorry for the victims.
Thank you for making this understandable for the uneducated like me! I enjoy learning about this incident, but I am NOT scientifically or mathematically inclined. I have always been more artistic, but I realize the importance and the trauma to the families, and why this should never have been allowed to happen. Rich men can be reckless, but I feel sorry for the young man who went just to please his father. That is heartbreaking.
Whether or not this transcript is authentic, I just wanted to say that it was presented and broken down very well.
Idk jack about subs but it wouldn't seem odd to me at all if the desent is faster as they start and are shallower then slow down the deeper they get. If that is true then this breakdown start saying they were going to fast is bunked.
Same
You’re obviously a product of main stream media 😂 you muppet.
He could be meaning two different things by too fast. I don’t know anything about water or subs, but I guess the pressure that mounts as you descent can increase the rate of speed. And if they had full ballast early that helps increase it even more. If they had gone the normal rate of speed required and typically followed by as shown in the video maybe there wouldn’t have been the crackling as they descended. And because of the quick descent pressure mounted too quickly to distribute the weight possibly.
Still though I don’t get why (following the maybe real transcript) they didn’t change their velocity when suggested by top after they checked their speed.
i feel like its fake ... first the depths are off and i dont think this would be due to a defect ... also multiple sources said the rtm sucks and its foresight was over emphasized by the company. Also many experts claimed the sub would implode near instant - unabling the crew to "hear cracks"
Like you mentioned.... In an interview on CNN James Cameron said that he had heard on good authority that they dropped their ballast and were ascending. He also mentioned that they had probably heard the carbon fiber cracking "with their own ears". (This really stuck with me because I didn't hear that anywhere else.) So he has probably read this transcript. He said that he learned this from "people in the community." I think that gives weight to this being real. I must say, the message "crackling sound aft" and the final message "more sounds aft" gave me the chills. Edit: It's at the very end of his interview with Anderson Cooper.
OR the person who faked this transcript saw the James Cameron interview like everyone else 🤔
@@chrisd6736 They have the right text format and the right names of the crew members. It's very unlikely it is fake.
Yup, saw the same interview! Add to that I didn't see any videos of other dives where they had that many (5) large people in the sub. That's a lot of weight too.😬
Exactly what I thought with respect to hull taking on water to where it weighted them down to the point the thrusters could not overcome the extra weight of water. Could it explain why they descended too fast? Maybe it took on water early on the ride out to the drop sight??
Every trip down the structural integrity was being degraded. It wasn't like "Maybe it will be damaged this trip." It is an inescapable fact that the carbon fiber hull had an expiration date. He was warned. He was stupid or suicidal.
The carbon fiber he bought from Boeing was literally expired. According to Boeing, it was no longer suitable for use in aircraft, let alone submarines. Rush falsely claimed that several companies (including Boeing) were involved in the design and construction of his sub. He did this to build up his credibility among investors and the public. Boeing cleared that up later on with a statement that they had sold Rush the (expired) composite and that was it. They were not involved in any other way.
not only that the carbon fiber had an expiration date, apparently he used carbon fiber that was already expired just to save money
This puts a whole different perspective in my mind. I was thinking they were descending peacefully and then the implosion occurred spontaneously and everyone went in a millisecond, without knowing anything was really wrong. But watching this video opened my eyes. I can’t possibly imagine just how fearful I would be knowing the submersible I was in was having an emergency and nothing was working right. I wouldn’t wanna spend my last thoughts before death panicking like that…
lol!
My father was involved in a couple "close calls" on a submarine when he was in the Navy, on subs for 20 years, and he said that you go into a mode where you are trying to fix the problem (relying on their training) so you don't really accept that it's happening at the time. When they got out of trouble, that's when they took a deep breath and freaked out! lol.
They ascended so fast, and at an angle that was the max for the sub, one time, that the sub surfaced and slammed back down so hard that it went 54 feet under water again before coming up and resting on the surface. He said the digital readout of their depth was moving so fast you couldn't read 2 of the 4 digits during their ascent.
@@orvil9223But I don’t think everyone would have had a job. I think maybe two people would have been frantically trying to fix stuff, but what? They had an elevator button and PlayStation remote? They whole thing is so tragic. Crazy about your dad. I can’t imagine the horror.
I was thinking about in aviation how pilots aren’t supposed to communicate in a crisis really to ATC because they are supposed to be aviating. I think this was just another example of how this operation wasn’t up to par in a way. How did they not know they were descending too fast almost immediately when they had done it so many times. They should have known how deep they should be for every time interval.
@@Artsygoons I agree, but, I'm sure that the boss man, as much of an idiot as he was, wasn't letting on how serious the problem was. None of them were so experienced they understood implosion and how it happens, etc. So, when it happened, it was quick - they happen in like a millisecond.
@@Artsygoons As a matter of fact - I just found this. Someone did an example of the submersible imploding. th-cam.com/users/shorts-BYN1lKdduc
The reason James Cameron was reasonably certain the sub had imploded, was because he was informed that they had lost contact with both communication systems simultaneously.
And cos he knew Stockton Rush was an idiot and a rogue who took unnecessary risks
@@littleangel18 That may not be true. In his media statements he said he thought they had "fixed the problems" and wished he had been more publicly vocal about the criticism of risk for that design. At least, that's what he said on CNN or some other channel.
the navy knew when it happened so why did they let the farce continue.
He had inside information (probably from military sources, which is why he was vague) that military microphones had picked up the implosion.
@@tyeck5502 No. His source was the very small Deep Sea Exploration community. They are all experts in their field, and refer to each other for knowledge and feedback. I believe the number of people in this community is around or below 100 individuals.
You can find all the facts from watching the actual interviews James Cameron did, after the Coastguard Admiral in charge declared that they had found wreckage and concluded it imploded.
James Cameron went on many news interviews, such as with CNN, BBC and NBC.
I can’t imagine the horror of what the crew went thru. May God have mercy on there souls.
“Crew” 😢
"have had mercy" becuase He already did or did not. . . . .
Splitting hairs are we..?@@atgblue1
Same occurs with a drysuit from my personal experience in cold dark Alaska waters at 103 feet. The drysuit is a closed environment like a sub, but if any water gets in, you will begin to lose ascent capability. If it's a hole, you must tie it off or in other way close it, and then add air to suit. First thing I would think if I added usual air qty to suit for ascent to 1st stage decompression stop and it was not going well, or at expected rate is that I have water infiltrating "somewhere". I can't imagine the horror of having that occur at the depth and pressure they were at, no matter how good the submersible I was in. May they rest in Peace. From this video, alone, I would say blame falls on whomever was controlling the descent. Things need time to adjust to increasing pressures, you can't just hammer it on.
It seems like the Topside knew the descent was starting too fast,but rather than forcefully requesting the sub slow the rate, they merely asked if suggesting. Was the owner the type to accept recommendations or was the crew afraid to give their opinions? Seems like an avoidable tragedy if the transcript is real
stockton replied "no we are fine" so... he was aware of it.
Being that he fired a man for bringing up safety Concerns I’d say the latter
to be fair, being that it can't handle a litle bit added descent speed and it broke, i don't think that thing not broke with the usual speed either.
@@ScreamingEagleFTWhe was not qualified to make that comment. He thought that the construction of the Titan was fine, too.
Stockton booted the engineers that gave their safety concerns and warned of the dangers, so it was most definitely the latter.
I’ve worked with engineers like Stockton. They are so sure of themselves and no one else compares to their brilliance. Anyone else pales in comparison thus any concerns by them are of no importance.
Sounds like a narcisist
Pure f’n hubris
Ditto.
I'll wind back a little. They are sure they are right, AND they have a significant personal interest in the financial success of the project. That is well known to be a, literally, lethal mixture.
If you look at Stockton's background, you will see he was a pilot. He was never an engineer.
It's a real common trait I think
Theory:To hull was already compromised at the start of the descent. The aft got flooded during the descent with un-pressurized water and it the pressure equalized during the descebt between the aft and the exterior. The cabin imploded later. The sensors placement were faulty from the get-go not being able to detect such a scenario. This would explained the fast descent and slow ascent
Extremely interesting video. Nice work! Here's something else of interest. Taking a look at the descent rates between the four depth reports and using the times of the transmissions --- to the second, essentially, dDEPTH/dt, I came up with these four rates, starting from the earliest. In meters per minute, 37.272, 39.223, 38.962, and 44.000. If these are correct, in that last transmission, when the first problem is reported, the descent rate had increased substantially. And, there is something else interesting, even odd, about the last descent rate. It covered a time from the previously reported depth, i.e., the time between the depth reports at 09:17:50 and 09:28:35, of 645 seconds - 10¾ minutes, which yields a descent rate of exactly 44.000 m/s -- like, exactly, 44.000000000 with zeros forever. I'm not sure what the odds of coming up with an exact number like that would be under these conditions, but it's something to think about. I haven't checked my math in great detail. Maybe you could do it. Again, nice job on the video.
I just watched an interview yesterday with Karl Stanely who said when he went down on the Titan it made shotgun like sounds the entire way down, and continued to have the shotgun like blasts all the way back up to 300 feet. Its what made him send Stockton Rush an email stating he didn't have a marketable product and bringing in passengers was a bad idea even though they were living in the same house.
Yes it's true, but after that warning from Karl Stanley Stockton made repairs on the hull to avoid the loud popping sounds.
@DKFX1 his repairs weren't good enough unfortunately
The "shotgun" noise is called delamination crackle. It's quite literally the carbon fiber ripping apart. Rush knew exactly what he was doing. He murdered those passengers.
It’s pretty messed up that depending what news outlet aired Kens interview, many cut out that part about Stockton acting on it, including cancelling dives and getting a new 1mil carbon fiber hull replacement. Some news outlets keep changing the context of the interview. Many don’t differentiate from normal sounds Stockton talked about to extreme sounds. I’ve been keeping track in Evernote with dated links and hilighted interviews.
I dont think it matters if Stockton made some repairs after Stanley told him he could literally hear the sub tearing apart the entire time when that material shouldn’t be used in the first place for a sub. That’s the point. Stockton knew he shouldn’t use carbon fiber, people told him he shouldn’t use it, the sub tearing itself apart told him he shouldn’t use it, but he did anyway. Amongst a series of other things that made the sub completely unsafe for people to be inside of. I don’t care if he fixed it, he was entirely in the wrong and entirely knew it. He just didn’t care
If that's the actual transcript, their descent rate near the end would have required 8.64 hours to ascend back to the surface. Also, if this is legitimate, their utter disregard for a significantly increased descent rate (unless they were intentionally descending more rapidly) was yet another indicator they ignored.
this is what i can't understand. that descent rate means he knew they were overweight, means he should have known they could have issues ascending. Why on Earth didn't they abort right near start of dive? Ridiculous.
@@backfromcuba Was the total weight of the passengers too heavy? Can this experiment get any worse? I guess there will be lots more to come from the official inquiry.
Would not the top ship have someone up there saying: Return NOW?
@@diannt9583because the big boss was in the sub and he was famous for not respecting safety issues?
@@backfromcubabecause clearly this is a very fake transcript. Originally a transcript was released on TikTok that claimed to be “voice communications” until they realized they’re WERE no voice comms, at which point they released this text transcript with parts taken almost word for word from the “voice” hoax. This is just a really despicable and shameful cash grab by people on TikTok.
You analysis makes perfect sense. If the aft section was taking on water that would explain the higher rate of descent, failing batteries, very slow ascent and then hull failure.
The crews arrogance was continuing with a higher than normal rate of descent.
This was really interesting and my first video of yours. I can’t imagine the passengers hearing what’s going on and knowing it wasn’t normal. It’s not like there was a cockpit. That had to be horrific.
From what the news reported, there were indications that the sub dropped ballast at one point as preparation for re-ascending. Seems like they may have heard signs of structural distress and were trying to surface.
The implosion may have killed them beyond immediately, but looks like they knew something was going wrong.
Yeah, I’d have to guess so.
Yea just imagine hearing that creepy noise of steel bending little by little at first until it just caves in in an instant. Bet they were terrified
@@TheLilE1993 Not the first time the sub made strange sounds according to this person:
th-cam.com/video/n40ukuk9Ay4/w-d-xo.html
Forgot the timestamp when he talks about it at some point in the video, that thing was like a Russian roulette, only that the customers didn't know they were playing it but I have to say it was very irresponsible of them to get inside that thing when you look at the wording of the waivers they had to sign, I like to think that my survival instincts would have kicked in and I would have looked for experts opinions first... it seems like many are coming out now, after the fact, about how unsafe that thing really was but the warning signs were there all along. I feel bad for the kid.
Did you even watch the video?
@@mrxxsesshomaruxx9642 the kid is the only one i feel bad for. couldn't care less if some rich prick dies, and the worst part about the CEO dying is that it wasn't slow.
That loud bang heard on the previous voyage is what should have stopped him on his tracks, but it didn't. The fast descent on the doomed journey right from the start shows that the sub was already compromised before going under. Dropping the ballast didn't slow down the descent, and dropping the frame just made them stand still. The crew on the ship didn't say anything about the fast descent, which is another fail. They just ignored every warning all down the line, like maniacs. The CEO knew how accurate the RTM was, and seeing all red for every sensor means that he knew he was seconds from death.
Every dive the titan made passengers reported crackling sounds which clearly was the carbon fiber hull breaking down with every dive titan made until boom the hull imploded. The main reason they even put that noise monitoring system in the sub was due to the previous cracking noises. So the titan should have been retired after its first dive. Pretty messed up you could hear the cracking every dive it made and they kept using it. Stockton even said on video every deep dive sub makes noises.......no no they don't especially cracking noises you can hear with your naked ear. It was clearly the epoxy or glue in between the layers of carbon fiber breaking apart.
Obviously the RTM was an untested system in this application in these depths. If all indicators are red they know that something is wrong (which is clear due to the cracking sounds).But they do not know that they are just seconds from implosion. Anyways a very scary situation.
Well to be fair, the crew on the ship did exactly what they were hired to do. Ignore the problems and say nothing unless it’s exactly what Rush wanted to hear.
Perhaps the RTM system detects the sound of breaking carbon fibers and this cracking sound will happen for a short while before the hull eventually gives in. However strange noone was reating on the decending speed. They should know exact how fast it was supossed to be decend.
What then would account for the increased weight and the ineffectiveness of dropping ballasts?
How do you deduce there was already serious damage to the sub from it's initial high descent speed alone?
An amazing video, that is always chilling to watch--it does get the imagination running---how we would feel in that position etc.
Have the transcripts ever been verified? It may take years, I suppose, to know that, but I am curious.
It's ironic that part of what doomed Titanic was being in a big hurry to get to NYC faster. These folks were going too fast, as well, though we can't know if that would have made any difference. This guy was arrogant and operating a MacGuyver rig for a small fortune. Those passengers had to know they were running a huge risk, but were happy to go for the ride.
I used to work as a commercial diver, diving confined space. I remember losing air once and trying to get back to my entry point having my life flash before my eyes, thinking I had a good life and then topside restored my air. Them potentially being down there for 20 minutes thinking about the possibility of dying is gut wrenching.
My brother was in navy going to join divers. In training lost two guys and he decided not to do it. Anything can happen.
I know this may not be as dramatic, but one time I was swimming and came up under the plastic pool cover. No air gap, no matter how hard I pushed on it. The panic was involuntary.
Well the people should of been informed that it was risky!
@@tonyvelasquez6776 how else can it be done ? Wires have to enter at some point right ? How is it done on James Cameron’s vessel
Hell, watching the 16 minutes of this was suspenseful enough let alone being down there for 20 minutes doing/hearing all that. Wow. Just wow.
Also, thanks for sharing your story. Sounds like you’re a true survivor!
The implication in the question by the control ship
"Do you need to adjust velocity?" The control team was aware the sub was descending too fast
And yet, instead of coming right out and SAYING exactly that to him, Stockton Rush had made everyone involved so afraid to disagree with him (for fear of being fired) that the support team worded it as a question, asking him *IF* he needed to adjust velocity.
If he hadn’t replaced all the level headed people with “yes men” they would’ve told him straight out that they needed to adjust their velocity right at the beginning, when they were still close enough to the surface to be saved.
Some say he didn't like getting discouraging messages from the surface ship. Yes men'd to death,
What are you gonna do when your boss is down there telling you it's fine.. And he has a history already of firing whistle blowers... yikers
@@Vmurph That's what the a-holes who crash companies always do. I've worked for a few of them. When you see one of them 'moving up' in your company, it's always good to keep your resume up to date!
@@Barb4sale I'm telling my boss the truth and what I think. If he disagrees, that's okay. If he needs to shoot the messenger, and fire me because the truth hurts, then that's his problem. At least I won't have the deaths of five people on my conscience. I'd rather not work for companies and leaders like that in any case.
"Jul 10, 2023: Fact-checking website Snopes has given a rating of "False" to the report of the transcript. The transcript, alongside videos purporting to reveal audio footage of the submersible's last moments, has added to concerns about potential disinformation on the tragedy being spread online."
What was the time stamp on the implosion signal from the USN hydrophone net?
What I find astonishing is that Topside was like "Oh you're descending twice the speed you should be? Excellent! Fantastic! Superb! Glorious! Beautiful! Stellar! Amazing! Heartwarming! Inspiring! Happy crew!"
Nobody was like "You're going too fast. Slow descent."
Because the reply would've been "report to HR." The CEO was a living cautionary tale against hubris.
In this outfit, it seems if you are a fifty year old white guy, or speak up, you get fired. Just like the engineering director who got fired for voicing his safety concerns. Looky here, the guy who got fired, and who could have prevented this fiasco, was a fifty year old white guy, with decades of submarine and engineering experience. Who'd have thunk it? Weird. Still, diversity is our strength, right?
Cause that would have been a pink slip. If you show free will he fires you.
Maybe this is an indication that it’s a fake transcript
@@Ardepark From all accounts I've heard, this is exactly what he would do. the faster he got down there the better, like a kid going to get ice cream.
Just something I remember from another "deep sea dive" from years ago.
The vessel was ball shaped and had metal weights on the outside of it held there with electro magnets.
These weights are what caused it to descend into the water among other things.
The cool thing here is, IF they lost all power the electro magnets would no longer hold the weights to the vessel and it would automatically ascend at a predetermined speed.
That sounds like a neat safety feature! I like the RSV Alvin's safety feature myself - the crew compartment is actually an escape pod, and it's the rear part of the submersible that weighs it down. If they jettison the escape pod, it goes up to the surface automatically because it doesn't weigh enough to stay down there.
That's a very cool and ingenious safety feature.
@@waffle_burger8499 It is nothing new if you look at the design of the Trieste [first submersible to go to bottom of Challenger Deep in 1960] it used steel shot for ballast held in two hoppers. Shot was kept from escaping by electromagnets, which allowed it to be released slowly or if in case of electrical failure all at once.
@@carlrossi7989 Then it's even sadder that something like this was not implemented on the Titan! :(
That would use an enormous amount of electricity though, so I doubt it's true. Electricity on these subs is a sacred resource, that's why they all descend under gravity with lights off.
You do great videos. I live right by the towers in Surfside and you did great videos on it.
Glad you're on this. If not we would never know what happened May they RIP
just uploaded and update video tonight
@@jeffostroffdid they ever validate this transcript?
The only redeeming factor in this whole tragedy is that Rush was onboard. He built that deathtrap. He fired people who wanted to make it safe. He took shortcuts. He put other people's lives at risk. If he had not been onboard, it's almost a guarantee that he would have found a way to blame the crew for the destruction of his submarine. He would have found a way to build another and continue to risk other's lives.
This tragedy stops all that. It's horrific that he had to take some innocent and courageous people with him, but at least those will be the last people he kills.
the people that got on that death trap were not courageous they were stupid.
@@biff3917 they were lied to. If someone you perceive as intelligent, dynamic and an adventurous explorer tells you something is safe AND he's going with you, it's easy to get lost in his fantasy and fall for his lies and deception. They were foolish to believe him, but not stupid.
When the media was still lying about "maybe they have air" I hoped that the passengers would have offed Rush first if they knew they were going to suffocate
@@slayer8actual, pretty despicable thing to say, in my opinion.
So they had 20 minutes notification that something was wrong .Hope the other 4 had plenty of time to punch Stockton on the nose or break his neck.
This seems more realistic to me than what’s been told that they had NO warning. If they dropped ballast it means they DID know, and it was found quite a distance away from the actual debris.
What makes you think they dropped the ballast?
@@Ample17 "it was found quite a distance away from the actual debris"
@@Ample17 They said they dropped it in the transcript...
@@skullface691 You mean the transcript that is in no way confirmed and could be completely made up?
@@skullface691this isn’t an actual transcript. It’s a fabrication. Also if it imploded it can send the ballast flying from the point of implosion
I've watched this video at least 20 times.... I think I'm drawn to it because it really captures the imagination, and I can feel the emotional rollercoaster that they must have been on during this intense last couple hours of their lives. I know it's not an official transcript, but even if it's fake, it's probably similar to what they went through. Rest in peace guys.
They knew for a long time before the end that they were doomed. Sub had structure integrity alarms so it would have been warning them of imminent catastrophic failure.
Given the nature of this vessel, I question why it wasn't a tethered sub like ARGO. You could still have lateral thrusters for poking around the ship at depth, but a tether gives you a 99% guaranteed ride to the surface at speed.
Yeah they were not able to ascend while the hull was failing because the battery system failed
Yeah they were not able to ascend while the hull was failing because the battery system failed
I don’t believe all those people knew how many problems were with this sub. As a Boilermaker myself there is no way I would have trusted that carbon fibre he was told the risks and you can be sure these people on board didn’t know that risk. The way the titanium end caps glued on to me was outrageous What a sad story.
I think carbon fiber could have worked, but they were lazy and reckless about its implementation. There was absolutely no consideration of galvanic corrosion of the titanium. I'm sure there's a right way to use carbon fiber for this, but that takes time, money, expertise, and deliberate critical thought, and that's not something the CEO seemed interested in.
Not when there’s a “professional” with extreme credentials telling you that it’s safe you’re more inclined
They definitely had an idea of the risks, did you see the contract they signed?
sounds like Rush was high as a kite in love with 'the new'
@@deryk2002au 90% sure they just glanced over and didn't read the papers.
I add this often for people to ponder...i once flipped a 20 drill rig and rolled it. Not a gigantic rig but big enough to obviously crush the cab and myself. Luckily, the steel water tank was welded behind the cab, 4inches higher than the cab. The tank crushed about 12 inches but saved my life. I will tell you this 1) I thought that was it 2) your life does flash before your eyes 3) it is not like the movies, i did not see my beautiful daughter dancing with my beautiful wife in a dandelion field during a sunset 4) i did see a fantastically fast rolladex of things in my life I'd done that i regretted or wished I'd apologized for 5) the regret was milliseconds, i felt forgiven, and was at peace with myself which to me meant- God presented all my sins and absolved me from them. The rig began to slow and within the span of 7 seconds- tire blowout to rolling to coming to a stop- i realized i made it. Because of that day 12 years ago, 2 things happened, i quit drilling and became a bit more gentle, kind and caring towards all. It was a very spiritual experience. Because God needed me i believe, he spared me. I have for 12 years been a drug and alcohol counselor, giving others a second chance as i was given, and paying my debt to society and God.
yea sure
God did that 🙌 glad your still with us, truly astounding
What a great story of redemption. Glad to hear you are using your life for God now. Keep it up man.
Funny how Christians are always so relieved to still be here on Earth instead of moving on to an eternal paradise to hang out with Jesus.
Edit: That being said, glad you're still with us.
GOD IS GREAT! AMEN
Not sure if it was mentioned earlier, but the acoustic anomaly time stamp from the US Navy is 10:51 a.m. ET. Depending on the time zone of the transcript log, does that mean they actually suffered through the scenario longer?
They died so fast they're not feel anything or know when it happened. At that depth the heat generated during implosion would have vaporized them completely faster than the Herve signal could reach the brain
Something that would explain the 50% increased dive rate - the sub was leaking on the trip out. The water that entered would act as additional ballast increasing dive rate, and would have pooled in the front of the sub during the dive. Once they realized the descent rate problem, they dropped the ballast and frame, and tried to head back toward the surface, so the rear of the sub would become the lowest point, and so any water would travel from the front to the rear. When the water sloshed from front to rear, that could certainly cause problems with power. While water ingress was possibly an issue, the cause of the accident was the fact that neither the sub or surface crew paid any attention to the descent numbers. If they had, they should have decided to return to the surface 15 minutes in since the sub was diving 50% faster than normal.
5here was no water infiltration. If any water infiltrated the vessel it would shred into pieces. We Che k for leaks lower decks of destroyers with smoke packs cause even at those shallow depths apjnhole jet can cause lacerations. At the depth they were at nothing happens slow, there are no slow leaks.
I cannot imagine being “trapped” that deep underwater with no way to control my outcome. I would think for some if not the entire crew that it was terrifying for those 19 minutes. 19 minutes is a long time to have millions of thoughts and scenarios running through your mind. I am so sorry that this happened to them.
I think when people know they might die, they pray.
I was in a few very dire situations in my life (life in real and direct danger), and felt then almost tangible presence of God. So I think most people naturally pray when they think their end is near. And you kind of see your life before your eyes, like a recap of what it's all worth. I can't imagine what else you can do, prayer comes natural in that momens, at least I hope that is for other people as well. 🙏
Hope someone brought a gun in case to end it all quickly
@@joane24 That is what I was thinking..... 19 minutes to get your life right with God if nothing else.
So scary to think about!
this is fake and was uploaded to get views, you fell for it
Chuck Yeager said it best in "The Right Stuff." "Spam in a can."
Hi I agree with your assessment that they descended too quickly but you have calculated the average rate of descent not the instantaneous descent rate at that time. They could have slowed down or increased the descent rate in between communication check points. A more accurate method would be to calculate the average descent rate using all the actual position/time points in the communications log so we would essentially get a step function that describes the descent rate. Then this descent rate could be compared to the acceptable descent rate. The reason it is important is because the hydrostatic pressure increases linearly with depth so a fast descent rate from surface to 700 meters is not the same danger as it would be from 700 to 1400 and so on hence knowing the descent rate between communication increments would be more accurate than calculating the average descent rate from the initial time they first began the descent.
@chrisb1047 you should calculate those numbers and post them in your comment. That would be informative.
37,39,39,44 Meters per minute at each reporting. They were accelerating.
As one who suffers from claustrophobia, this story is scarier than anything ever - aside from maybe being buried alive in a casket. What a horrible, horrible situation.
on the upside (if one can even call it an upside...), aside from the terror of hearing the sub slowly tear itself apart before implosion, death itself would have been utterly instantaneous, and I mean that in the truest sense -- a fraction of a blink of an eye, quite possibly faster than any other human death in recorded history save for those in the immediate blast radius of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. far, far better than being buried alive and slowly suffocating, albeit still a horrible, terrible way to go. needless deaths just for the trend of 'extremophile tourism'.
Yeah, it almost tops the nutty putty cave incident.
My nightmare
I don't even want to be buried in a casket when I die!! I'm getting cremated and dumped in a mud puddle or thrown in a creek lol.
Same here / actually makes me queasy seeing those photos of people inside the submersible. No way I could even get into that thing even if it was on land - I’d seriously have a major panic attack.
I plotted the transmitted data (elapsed time vs depth) vs a nominal descent and it looks more interesting. There are several times they transmitted and did not provide a depth, but you can infer a possible depth based on the other transmitted information.
If this is factual, it would suggest the sub was ~terminal at the sound of the first alarm. Based on the depth when the alarm first went off, they were descending at about 45 (M/min). The reference to a decent at 35 (M/sec) suggests the thrusters slowed the descent rate some but they needed more. The use of thrusters, then blowing ballast followed by ditching the frame was only able to net an upwards rate of 6.5 (M/min) based on the last 2 transmissions where depth data was provided. It took them 1 hr 34 min to get to the alarm sounding depth and they used all means to surface within 18 min 21 sec time elapsed from the first RTM alarm to the last transmission. They were simply taking on far too much water than their ability to surface.
I think the 2 knowledgeable staff on the sub knew they were terminal after blowing the ballast and for sure after dropping the frame and only seeing modest gains to reach the surface.
They may have lived longer than the last transmission but lost electrical power and were unable to make any more transmissions. It must have been terrifying the last actual seconds/minutes.
And the Navy's sonar detection of an implosion at ~9:45 aligns pretty closely with their last transmission.
all their lights would have gone out, dying in pitch blackness.
A nightmare come true! Shocking!
My thoughts is the carbon fiber was becoming slowly saturated with water which would inherently explain why they had problems ascending. That would also explains the sound heard in the back of the sub. I would be curious after each dive did they weigh the sub to find out if any gain, water pentation of water into the carbon fiber that the naked eye couldn’t see. A similar thing happened to the tale of a commercial aircraft which was made of carbon fiber. Inside the tale was a hydraulic ram to move the tailback and forth. Not visible from outside the aircraft hydraulic fluid was leaking into the carbon fiber and saturated into the section of the tail which had a catastrophic failure plane crashed. They found the best way to find if the carbon fiber was becoming weak was physically tapping on the carbon fiber areas with 25¢ Piece to listen to the sound it made and when it became a soft lite thud, that meant that. Carbon fiber was saturated with liquid such as hydraulic and it was a soft spot in the carbon fiber matrix to create another failure. The coin test was more accurate than ex rays.
They do that tapping on bike frames too. Those can be repaired.
I always wondered about the aft part of this sub, about all the machinery in there, how they made sure that all this worked since it was not protected from the water pressure like the part of the hull they where sitting in.
I think the crackling sound was the carbon fiber slowly being penetrated by water. Remember that the hull is made of layers of carbon fiber. As water found a crack and worked its way in, I think you would hear that crackling sound as the water forced apart the sheets of carbon fiber, essentially slowly ripping them apart. When a critical point was reached, the carbon fiber hull imploded basically instantly.
I'm sure Stockton Rush knew exactly what that sound was when he heard it. That's so scary.
this transcript is proven fake meaning there was no battle for 20 minuets or any attempt at successful resurfacing, the accepted theory is that it suddenly lost thrust and “Without thrust, the weight of the passengers and the pilot (about 400 kilograms), which was focused on the front end close to the view port, would have disrupted the Titan’s longitudinal stability,”
No one can confirm at what depth the malfunction happened but then the submersible begins to fall headlong towards the seafloor, and with control and safety functions damaged, it can no longer be maneuvered.
“The Titan changes position and falls like an arrow vertically because the 400 kilos (880 pounds) of passengers that were at the porthole unbalance the submersible
“Everyone rushes and crowds on top of each other. Imagine the horror, the fear, and the agony. It had to be like a horror movie,” added the expert, who believes that everything happened during 48 to 71 seconds of free fall.
“As it fell to the depths of the ocean, the hull would have been subjected to a sudden increase in underwater pressure” - leading to a “powerful compression” of the sub’s carbon-fiber hull at a depth of around 9,000 feet,
so even if they heard the cracking frankly they already knew they where gonna die and had some time to think about it whilst they where all crammed together at the porthole as the sub fell rapidly.
The sound of the water delaminating the composite-hull at that pressure must have been extremly loud too... (just imagine beeing inside something beeing ripped apart like that..)
@@hwplugburz should have used titanium.
So I guess my question is, why choose carbon fiber in the first place when perfectly accept materials were available? Is there something I'm missing? Cost?
@@susul2843 cost
Knowing how the owner was not super concerned with safety regulations I have to imagine after having completed a few successful dives he grew comfortable and went too fast
wanted to put on a show for the high profile guests
@@mr0x1 his ego probably got bruised by all the negative press from the fired engineer so he wanted to prove that the sub was safe so he got reckless and careless cause he had a chip on his shoulder.
He was an arrogant prick and got what he deserved, too bad he had to take innocents down with him...
As a very simple engineer the number of dubious decisions is mind boggling. Just one of many items I cannot get an answer is whether the the carbon hull was even autoclaved (essential for CF to achieve it's full strength).
I’ve heard it wasn’t.
Thanks for a very good replay on the messaging. I think Rush knew he had a very nervous passenger in the young kid Suleman(at least from what I read) so he increased the rate of decent to shorten the dive time. Somehow the quick decent caused a leak in the aft end(or maybe the front end) and increased the weight so that when Rush decided he had better go up he had a bunch of water on board plus an electrical failure probably caused by the water leak. Just my 2 cents worth.
My guess? The hull delaminated in the aft and began leaking through micro channels onto electrical equipment which shorted power bus A. The crackling noises were the composite layers splitting and swelling from the intruding water. They had trouble jettisoning the frame because the outer surface of the hull was already deforming at certain areas at that point and it jammed up the mechanism which releases the frame. The delamination and loss of integrity was the true cause of the implosion, but the loss of power bus A may have prevented them from ascending quick enough to stay above the rapidly decreasing "crush depth" of the actively failing hull. One thing that's odd is that Rush said the sub would surface automatically without any thrusters... He bragged about how as long as the pressure vessel was intact, everything else could fail and it would still surface and be fine. So how did the thing become so much less positively buoyant? It was supposed to ascend normally despite having zero power. 🤷🏻♂️ Dropping the ballast should have sent them up at a normal rate instantly. The ballasts were supposed to drop automatically after a certain time frame because their mounts dissolved in the water. That would be useful in case they lost the ability to drop the weights, lost thruster power, and were neutrally buoyant or simply ascending too slowly to surface on time.
Good post. My only conclusion to add is that the aft section filled up with water as it descended, perhaps from the beginning. That would explain the loss of ascendency, the cracking delamination, the increased initial decent rate and the power short all in one. Sadly, it may have gone on for some time after the 20 minutes of emergency awareness.
Sounds like a plausible scenario manny. Something was going on that seemed to start causing them to descend too fast, just as soon as they got into the water. I sometimes wonder if he had too many fat passengers onboard? He seemed to be dropping this and dropping that to try to ascend, but nothing was working. The way he was about not testing things, he may have not tested the sub with that amount of weight. The father and son looked to weigh 250 to 300 lbs each and the other two passengers looked pretty big and husky. I've heard people say that descending too fast can cause damage to a sub. Maybe the weight of the passengers caused it to descend too fast, causing the hull delamination and other things you mentioned.
@@hillbillybeerdranker6678 I see this as a simple but valid argument. As carbon fiber hull isn't elastic the vessels buoyancy can't be changed that much due to less displacement. The CF hull is either stiff... or collapsing. Delamination and more water getting pushed into the levels of CF means, as water weights nothing in water, that there has been something lighter than water inbetween the layers: air. I can't imagine that there might have been so much air in the glue that it has any effect on buoyancy. Everybody who has ever worked with glue or resin knows that you always have to get air bubbles out of your liquid. The carbon fibre was wound and glued by specialists, I doubt there were any air bubbles. The pilot dropped the vessel "like a stone" over 90mins and did not wonder? Either they had a totally different dive diagram (non-linear) than us or they did it linear and he just did not care, whatever his reasons might have been.
@@SaltedKillick the only place on the sub not filled with water is the crew compartment. And at that depth, any leak would be a short affair and loss of buoyancy not the major issue.
@@hillbillybeerdranker6678 your "Fat Passengers" scenario is quite valid, imo. Excessive weight should affect descent and ascent.
Robert Ballard (the one who discovered the Titanic) said there was no reason to send manned submersibles so deep. You can view everything just as good using unmanned craft.
The reason is the experience. Even if you're sitting there looking at the cameras, it isn't the same effect as being down there seeing it. Unfortunately sometimes the experience includes being turned into meatberry jam by about 400 atmospheres of pressure.
Not so sure about that. You wouldn't be able to have a live video link, so how are you going to control it?
@@Vousie I think if there was radio communication with the surface then should be a way to send video, I don't know if the speed would be enough, but internet by radio exists.
@@DracoHandsomethey were still going to be viewing it on a monitor even though it was right in front of them.
@@DracoHandsome meatberry jam is a new one :D
How was the sub communicating with the boat? I am not aware of the system that can communicate at that depth. Please inform me.
The CEO knew that he was descending too fast because he knew that they were ascending too slow.
The most heart-wrenching aspect of all this was the young man that didn't want to take the ill-fated journey.
Actually, he did want to go. His mom was supposed to be the one riding along with dad, but the young man showed interest and expressed that he really wanted to go. With her son's excitement and it being father's day, mom gave her ticket to him and told him to have fun. I believe it was his aunt that had come forward saying he never wanted to go, he just felt obligated to join because of fathers day. I later watched an interview with the mom and her story was completely different... Honestly, it doesn't matter if aunt was right by saying he didn't want to go or if mom was right by saying he did want to go. He went and it didn't end well. I'd love to say "this was a freak accident that NOBODY saw coming!" but that would be incorrect... He (Stockton Rush) was warned by multiple people on multiple separate occasions that his logic was flawed and nothing good could come from his glorified trash can sealed with duck tape and gorilla glue. Along with the red flags about the submersibles point of entry and needing to use a drill to insert in 11 screws even though there was 12 holes. When asked about why the 12th screw wasn't put in, he brushed it off with "well there's 11 there. 1 extra screw isn't going to make a difference. I take safety very seriously!" If he took safety seriously, he would have listened to EXPERTS. He would have everything checked/tested/certified. He would have listened when EXPERTS explained compromised structure with multiple materials. And the fact that he kept recruiting young adults because he wanted to be inspirational and prove that you don't have to be a white man in your 50s to be an expert. Yes, it's good to inspire the future generation and occasionally take some risks, but it's like he NEVER ONCE considered that maybe the reason middle aged are the only ones that are deemed experts is because IT TAKES YEARS TO STUDY!! Believe it or not, not all scientists are white. There are many, MANY highly successful scientists that don't have a drop of Caucasian... And the fact that Stockton Rush was a middle aged white man complaining that only middle aged white men go to dive down to the wreckage may possibly be the funniest hypocritical comment I've ever heard...
@@rondakamakahi3772Such A Know It All
Yes he did he loved the thrill of it all
Exactly he was reluctant to go
@@niblett6482 it's not a secret or difficult to read a couple articles that have been circulating or watching a couple videos about this that are still coming up with new details.
I said he did want to go, not because I'm a know it all and love spending my time telling people they're wrong, but because the wife and mother of 2 of the victims that lost their lives wanted people to know how excited they were for this experience. I can't begin to imagine how she feels and the pain she's going to carry for a long time, but she didn't have a negative thing to say and finds solace in knowing how happy they were to the very end. I've read comments like "his mom knew he didn't want to go, but forced him anyway" and "why would you allow your child to do that?" and "Giving him permission to do that? she's the one that killed him.". Why continue to spread rumors or talk about something you don't know instead of fact checking or cross referencing to get to the truth. And no, I don't have too much time on my hands, I just got decent at multitasking and making time to ensure I learn something new ("you learn something new everyday and if you don't, you weren't paying attention"). 6wks ago I didn't know the difference between a submarine and a submersible, 45 seconds later, I did! All the other crap was added because of my ADHD squirrellous brain thinking "ooh, time for fun facts?! Hold my submersible game controller and stand back!" And before I know it, I'm working on the 6th installment of my million page essay and being called a know it all... I've been called way worse and not at all offended. Maybe more surprised than anything because I don't think that's one I've been called before... Kudos! I'm not surprised often! Probably because the whole know it all thing... Maybe you got a point, Little Giblet. Still... It takes one to know one. because I'm a 5yo know it all that has more pride for you than your mama does... we can swap if you'd like. My mom made me this way...😅
I imagine 19 minutes would seem like an eternity in that situation. I feel sick just thinking about it. I was locked in a storage room once without my radio communicator. I remember just pacing for about 10 minutes completely okay and then the sudden realization that I'm on the Night Watch in a Hotel, it's 10:30pm and 95% of the staff have gone home crept in like a knife.
How did you get out?
Yeah how did you get out?
@@Deathworg1 He didn't, he's still in there. Luckily he could connect to wifi from inside the storage closet.
@@-cosmicrogue- I was banging the door and shouting and one of the patrons heard it, called recepetion and they came and found out. Maintainence took the handle off the door (which should usually open both ways) without telling me so I could pull the door open from the outside, but had no way of opening it from the inside as it was a fire door. I was in there for 34 minutes, but it felt like a lifetime when the panic set in and I realized it would've been 6am when the morning staff would have come in.
@@tylerchambers6246😂😂😂
7:54 They said they started the dive
8:21 They said they were at 756 meters (756 meters in 27 min = 756 met/ 27 min = 28 met/min)
If they actually stated descending at 7:54, the descent rate would be about 28 meters/minute - which is about right.
At 10:30 in the video, the message from the sub in the transcript at 9:43:42 says: quarter predicted. What does this statement mean?
It means that the ascent rate is a quarter or 1/4 of what it is supposed to be, most likely because the vessel was too heavy.
@@typicaloofers Thank you for clarifying.
Condensed timeline of events from the transcript.
08:01AM Descent started - Target descent rate -25.3m/min
08:21AM 20min 756m -37.8m/min
08:51AM 50min 1934m -39.2m/min
09:17AM 76min 2960m -39.5m/min
09:28AM RTM Alert
09:28AM 87min 3433m -43.0m/min
09:28AM Upwards thrusters enabled
09:30AM 89min 3500m -33.5m/min
09:30AM Ballast released
09:35AM Frame jettisoned
09:38AM Crackling sound aft reported
09:42AM RTM Alert all red
09:43AM 102min 3476m +1.9m/min
09:46AM Power bus A failure
09:46AM 105min 3457m +6.3m/min
09:47AM Vessel implosion
They expected to be ascending at approx. +25.32m/min after the ballast and frame was released but only achieved +6.3m/min which means they had -18.9m/min of buoyancy at that that moment compared to what they expected. By the 87min mark they were descending -17.7m/min faster than expected, so something was up from the start and no-one noticed the discrepancy. Top side did ask if they need to adjust velocity at 9:15AM so I think they suspected.
Exactly, and this is nuts. From what I have read they briefed nearly constantly for days prior to the dive. You know they had target times and depths written down and committed to memory. The descent should have been halted when the first depth check was so far out of the envelope....DEFINATELY when subsequent debtch checks were out. That craft wasn't descending, it was sinking.
I would say the same. I had played Cold Water, and I knew I would have problems if I couldnt pump water out from a sector of the sub, where I knew it would effect my buoyancy. When I watched this video and read that they had released ballast and jettisoned the frame, and having a slow accent, then I knew something was effecting the the byoyancy. Something is feeling up. And out on how I remember the the sub was made, then I think I know where it could feel up and where it was cracking. I wish we could have something that tell us how much their pitch was
Man I was thinking this was probably fake but It'd be pretty wild for them to accidentally have a consistent 18 or so of missing buoyancy.
Makes me think something hitched a ride. Could explain why they had trouble jettisoning the frame.
So it's likely if they'd started ascending at 3000m or when the first cracking noises happened they'd have probably survived..... instead it kept dropping.
@@HeadlessZombYit was definitely fake. I don’t think they could jettison the frame and the frame has come up with significant damage as if it had been on it when it imploded. Easily fake
The very first appearance of James Cameron talking to media, he said the surface knew they had a problem and were trying to effect an emergency acent when contact was lost. I haven't heard that information repeated since.
I wouldn't be surprised if the transcript was genuine, it certainly ties up with what Cameron said.
How would he know?
@@timsmith2525 Doesn't take too much imagination. Hey, you've dived down to the Titanic like 30 times, and dove to the bottom of the Marianas Challenger Deep (3x deeper than Titanic), mind checking this transcript out and telling us what happened?
Or someone could have heard this, just as you did - and manufactured a fake transcript, based on those details.
@@timsmith2525what Stockton was doing (diving to titanic) is a pretty big deal to a fairly small community of submariners, a community that we’re all aware of Stockton being ignorant and the titan not up to the task.
They were all probably watching and waiting for this to happen, James has said he has contacts on the mission.
@@DS-ev4xb Definitely possible. But I was replying to the comment that seemed mystified at how Cameron could get early access to such a transcript.
Many thanks jeff for your update👍
Glad to help!
Thank you very much Jeff, I did not realize you were an engineer ? I really enjoyed your breakdown of this tragedy. Very interesting.
One of two things happened:
Stockton Rush was trying to show off and descend at an unsafe speed
or
The vessel was already compromised when it hit the water and slowly took on more ballast at a more rapid rate as it descended, and by the time they realized something was wrong it was too late.
As Ralph Nadar would say 'Unsafe at any speed'
If the former is true, I hope he at least threw on some Tom Petty Free Fallin'
They don't use ballast water to descend or ascend, such a thing is impossible in the power limited size of this vessel. The vessel is made heavy with external solid ballast in order to sink and rises only when the ballast is released. This is why it was made with only such wall thickness as would allow it to float as a result of its displacement.
probably both scenarios.
@@Mattipedersenoh geez
From the few statements and videos of Mr. Rush, it makes sense that he chose to ignore the potential effects of fatigue from numerous pressure cycles. He was clearly a man who was comfortable in his own ego and ignorance. History has always shown that those who take risks, tend to make the bigger advances, but there is a fine line between innovation and blind ignorance. It seems that Mr. Rush chose to go from crawling to running and bypassed the act of walking, and paid the price.
Bypassed the act of walking...likely, really well stated. Really makes no sense why they would be going down too quickly...however, obviously was in too much of a hurry to do things right, so there's consistency there...
Very well said. History only repeats itself.
who is happy they live on land right now?
@@steveowens913 It makes the perfect sense as to why the descended quickly, He was once again trying to be different and get to the shipwreck in a shorter time span that before while trying to do it successfully. Ultimately he ended up like his name and rushed through it all and rushed to his demise while taking others with him.
Too much money & not enough sense.
Was the communication realtime? So that each character typed was received. Or did they have to type the entire message then hit the send button?
When calculating how much ballast they needed, Stockton had everyone stand on a scale while holding their gear. This was shown in one of the videos they produced where you can see people standing on an electronic scale. The only problem with this is the scale was placed on a carpet. Electronic scales will measure weight as being less than it actually is when placed on a carpet, and it doesn't take a thick carpet to cause measurements to be 30-40lbs light. With 5 people on board I wonder if that was a contributing factor.
Good point but this might need confirmation on the brand/model of scale? I have seen this happen with cheaper scales which basically measure only weight on their "feet" pads, so that the carpet pile will lend some undesired support to the bottom surface rather than on the feet. But some "electronic" scales are more like older scales where the entire bottom surface is a solid "pad", so it wouldn't matter exactly where it's supported.
I used to work for a small aviation company that had operations ongoing around the globe. We would hear about things that happened on the other side of the planet almost immediately. People on those operations would be texting their buddies on other operations. There's nothing implausible about someone sharing info with others "in the community" within minutes. It's frankly hard for me to imagine information not being shared in such a scenario. Particularly today, when all it takes is a cel phone and about five seconds, to take a picture of a computer monitor (chat log).
If it's fake they did a pretty good job.
It's 100% fake are you kidding me? Based on all the science we've been presented with on how fast an imposion would happen on such a frail vessel - you really think they had time to send a text as it was actively cracking?
But they work on the surface, where the chat was copied.
Good for investigations.
They used code to communicate with the support ship, but full fledged sentences. The fake transcript been edited and recirculated every time sleuths point out why it’s fake af.
@@tripplefives1402satellites are a thing. Starlink is another thing
Absolutely! Cameron was the only one to mention them dropping ballast and their knowing that they were having issues. That is the most likely scenario when it comes to this being leaked.
The shame is that Rush used a 1D (kind of) simple wrap. CFRP can be strong in compression if the external forces are in the right direction for the carbon weave. He should have used a 3D weave, but it probably was cost prohibitive. They were operating on a shoestring budget and ego/bravado. I've worked with carbon fiber composites. Whether this account is authentic or not, for sure, the passengers were hearing crunching noises on the way down, particularly towards the end. I can imagine Rush telling them, "That's totally normal. Nothing to be alarmed about."
@@johninmunichI've heard an account of a previous passenger that they heard crunching noises . They told him it's normal .
only communication the sub had with the surface was position data, aka this whole video is bs
I heard basic text type messages could be sent at every 15 minute hand shake.
@@Cheeky-fingers .,.why would a technology only work every 15 minutes?
Really good video. You did a much better job than the quick guess and broadcast and then move on mass media ever does....
19 minutes of sheer terror.
3 minutes more than this video. Imagine how long every breath and second takes.