I almost made the same decision until I started relaxing on the straights and exits and focused more on what I was doing before and inside of corners.. now I'm blasting through the corners and I'm able to pin it mid-corner and get to top speeds where I couldn't before and shaving off seconds of my lap times. I love my 10 for my crazy spurts. almost sold her, now I won't. I took my friend's 750 for a rip the other day only to find that while the cornering was similar, all I was missing was the power. it's not like I was finding I could corner better on the 750, it was the same except that I had less power to pull through the corners and exits. I think it's just about learning your machine inside and out and first taming the beast.. then you can unleash it.
I grew up club racing and I did the same thing in auto racing, and bikes... I'm back down to a "lowly" R3 to learn how to carry more speed into a corner without "browning" into a deep trail and then whacking the throttle open. Looking forward to watching your progress. I'm already pushing like I've never pushed before...I'll be bringing out the ZX6R '20 near the end of the year after I hone my racecraft on the R3.
Smart man, not to mention the 600 have no electronics and the bikes have barely developed since 2012 hence you can be competitive on a 10 year old bike. The liter bikes are all about electronics and without the latest bit of kit you won't be able to be anywhere near the top bikes. What you're mentioning about the stop and go riding style is also just how these 200hp bikes like to be ridden, square off corener pick it up and wack it open, so probably you were just getting accustomed to the riding style rather than being ''lazy''. Solid content, and watching your recent videos you really look like a fast rider.
I can totally appreciate your thought process but I went the opposite way. Like you, I had a 2012 R1 that I had tracked and did a few race rounds on and then I decided to try a 600. Bought an r6 and sold it after 2 weekends on riding on the track. I just couldn't feel comfortable on it, I was always waiting for power even after tying to keep it in 1 gear lower than I'd normally be in. I didn't have confidence to pass people because of it. So after selling the r6 and taking 2 years off of riding I decided a liter bike was the way to go and now have my 2016 zx10r. I couldn't be happier with this bike after racing it for 3 years now. I now know that I need that near instant throttle response and control of the rear tire. I think we exchanged some comments on the zx10 forum especially about your zx10 forks being TSE built since that's who I kind of ride with and they do all the setup on my bike. Enjoying the videos although a little bummed they aren't zx10 focused anymore :-)
Yeah we’ve talked on the forums in the past, definitely! I appreciate the comment, and there are times I miss the ZX10R. Don’t worry-I’ll get back on one again soon.
Good video, man. I have a 2018 ZX10R and recently picked up a 2015 ZX6R just for track use. I love the 10, but don't have confidence in my abilities to ride it on track effectively. Like yours, mine needs some work. Can't wait to get it out on the track.
I've got a 2019 ZX6R and found your video because I was thinking of changing it for a 2019 ZX10R. I don't do track days but in the past I had a ThunderAce for about 8 years back in the day, so I'm used to litre bike torque. After a year I'm used to the 636 and fancy more go. Interesting to listen to your thoughts on track vs the bigger bike. Maybe I need to test drive a ZX10R to see if 200 ponies is too much (especially for the road). Shame they don't make something in-between the 6 and 10!
Although big bikes are cool to talk about, I have more respect for you on your 600. Like you said, it's more opportunity to develop skills. You will probably have more fun on the smaller bike.
Appreciate your insight on this, I have a 2020 s1000rr that I track and it's amazing but I feel like I'm missing out on learning beneficial skills. So I've been planning on picking up a Yamaha R6 but Im slowly looking more and more at the Kawasaki ZX6R just on the fence on whether or not to get a older year or one of the new models, I had no idea about the brake issues
Love the breakdown, I've done 3 track days on my 2009 zx6r and absolutely love it but I'm finding little weaknesses like you say and love doing little upgrades!
my first trackday was with a ducati 848evo.. amazing experience but not soo easy to ride + very high maitenance. i kept it as a roadbike and got a fully built hrc pc40 600RR which was the perfect and balanced bike to get some track experience. i did 3 events with the 600 sold it and bought a zx10r 2016, ive ridden it twice and i absolutely love it, no torque lowend but very stable and makes 187hp at the wheels with full electronics for a very good price. I couldnt go back to a 600 as my main track bike, the laziness you mention with liter bikes i dont see. my motivation is the clock and to challenge good friends , nothing cooler than shitting yourself from the power of your own bike it makes you respect it. the 600 felt like the b!tch you didnt care for haha
Sorry I missed this. So I went a little farther than most guys would to fix this. 310mm Brembo T-Drives and Brembo M4 calipers. Also installed an Asscotto master cylinder.
Speed its all relative to the competition, after a while , even the faster bikes start to feel slow like the world slows down around you & your just coasting along , anyone had that ? I'm talking flat out road riding, day / night , lanes / motorways
I ride a zx6r 07 on track in the fastest class and i put lots of liter bikes behind me.. Only way they come back is long straights. Fast expensive bikes don't bring skills... Shame lots of people don't know that🤔
@@AAron_Rides Yeah, last time I was there, the left side of my tire was gone, by lunch time. Huey brought enough tires for the weekend, and on Saturday at lunch time I bought his last set. No idea what was going on that day, but everybody was seeing their tires chew up way faster than normal. It was a cold day, so maybe the tires were slipping more?
@@SquireSCA yeah it’s because it was cold and you guys needed to run the right rubber for the temps but due to the aggregate that makes up most of the track, the harder compound rubber gets chewed up. It’s better to run Tally on 100* days with super soft compounds. This way the rubber molds to the tarmac better and reduces wear from less spinning....sounds backwards I know!
We setup those modes with 3 tunes: rain, full power pump gas and full power MR12. The KIT ECU electronics had 5 of the least aggressive TC settings so we could steer the bike in the best way for the geometry I liked. EBC tunes also had changes with just basic “more/less” between the two options. But I liked the bike to roll into the corner more. Yeah definitely was a monster after the motor had a SS build. 205hp/84tq was nothing to sneeze at! I can’t wait to get a 2021+ ZX10R!
@@ANIK5261 The R1 doesn't really feel that planted to me? It's been a couple years since ive ridden one though. When I start looking at a liter bike, I'll see about spinning some laps on one again to make sure.
BOOOOOOO!!!!! U did whaaaaattttt????!!! Gee!! Why don’t u just take one more step of ease AND RIDE A 400!!! Not an attack just serious question WITH SHT TON OF DISAPPOINTMENT!!!
@@AAron_Rides KOOL!!! You are a 'big lad' (large 215lb. GROWN MAN!!). Agreed that 600 and 400 are fun and awesome, & I SHOULD be on 400, BUT I'm 6'3" 200lb, bla bla!!! CHEERS & thnx for being so kool & not trolling!! C ya at the track one day
@@AAron_Rides P.S. I ride race prep '08 CBR 1000 & '20 ZX10 TIRE GOBBLERZ!! 90% of the miles on Hwy 455 Anna,TX to Celina TX, 28mi back forth THE ENVY of THE TT COURSE!! What's you stomping ground?(roads and tracks?) cheers
Atlanta!! Kool! Seen yor vids just didnt remember what tracks. All tracks around my area, north texas, are GARBAGE, brand new G2 mtrsprt is progressing to garbage! Cresson is terrible garbage, Eagle Cnyn Rcwy is worth the drive and decent pavemnt fun. The rest no good. Even COTA has issues, so I hear, yet worth the$ and drive!! Bla bla. Cheers and best to U and yors!
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I almost made the same decision until I started relaxing on the straights and exits and focused more on what I was doing before and inside of corners.. now I'm blasting through the corners and I'm able to pin it mid-corner and get to top speeds where I couldn't before and shaving off seconds of my lap times. I love my 10 for my crazy spurts. almost sold her, now I won't. I took my friend's 750 for a rip the other day only to find that while the cornering was similar, all I was missing was the power. it's not like I was finding I could corner better on the 750, it was the same except that I had less power to pull through the corners and exits. I think it's just about learning your machine inside and out and first taming the beast.. then you can unleash it.
Very good point!
Agreed.
I just went through this exact decision. Sold the R1 and got back onto a zx6, really excited to get out there on a smaller bike and push!
Dude, there's been so many people commenting or messaging me with this exact experiance. Glad you were able to find more speed on a ZX6R!
I grew up club racing and I did the same thing in auto racing, and bikes... I'm back down to a "lowly" R3 to learn how to carry more speed into a corner without "browning" into a deep trail and then whacking the throttle open. Looking forward to watching your progress. I'm already pushing like I've never pushed before...I'll be bringing out the ZX6R '20 near the end of the year after I hone my racecraft on the R3.
That’s awesome to hear man, that R3 riding will pay huge dividends!
I have a zx10r now and on the hunt for a 600 to use at the track currently. Definitely subscribing
Gr8Ghost thanks bossman!
Smart man, not to mention the 600 have no electronics and the bikes have barely developed since 2012 hence you can be competitive on a 10 year old bike. The liter bikes are all about electronics and without the latest bit of kit you won't be able to be anywhere near the top bikes.
What you're mentioning about the stop and go riding style is also just how these 200hp bikes like to be ridden, square off corener pick it up and wack it open, so probably you were just getting accustomed to the riding style rather than being ''lazy''.
Solid content, and watching your recent videos you really look like a fast rider.
Definitely your hitting all the high points of this one! For sure it’s helped me get were I am today. Thank you 🙏
I can totally appreciate your thought process but I went the opposite way. Like you, I had a 2012 R1 that I had tracked and did a few race rounds on and then I decided to try a 600. Bought an r6 and sold it after 2 weekends on riding on the track. I just couldn't feel comfortable on it, I was always waiting for power even after tying to keep it in 1 gear lower than I'd normally be in. I didn't have confidence to pass people because of it.
So after selling the r6 and taking 2 years off of riding I decided a liter bike was the way to go and now have my 2016 zx10r. I couldn't be happier with this bike after racing it for 3 years now. I now know that I need that near instant throttle response and control of the rear tire.
I think we exchanged some comments on the zx10 forum especially about your zx10 forks being TSE built since that's who I kind of ride with and they do all the setup on my bike. Enjoying the videos although a little bummed they aren't zx10 focused anymore :-)
Yeah we’ve talked on the forums in the past, definitely! I appreciate the comment, and there are times I miss the ZX10R. Don’t worry-I’ll get back on one again soon.
I'm super happy as an old guy, in LWT and F2. Sometimes Clubman and DSB
I’m 39 and can see that in my future
Good video, man. I have a 2018 ZX10R and recently picked up a 2015 ZX6R just for track use. I love the 10, but don't have confidence in my abilities to ride it on track effectively. Like yours, mine needs some work. Can't wait to get it out on the track.
Jean Quad Van Damage Yeah man, just keep working on the basics and you’ll grow much more confidence every time you head out!
I love my sv650 and Kawasaki 400 track bikes... All I ever need
My first bike was an SV650 and I owned/raced a Ninja 300 for a few years! Great bikes!
The zx6 looks fierce, I’ve really liked the look and the engine numbers on that bike.
ZX600N 😎🤙🏻
I've got a 2019 ZX6R and found your video because I was thinking of changing it for a 2019 ZX10R.
I don't do track days but in the past I had a ThunderAce for about 8 years back in the day, so I'm used to litre bike torque. After a year I'm used to the 636 and fancy more go.
Interesting to listen to your thoughts on track vs the bigger bike. Maybe I need to test drive a ZX10R to see if 200 ponies is too much (especially for the road).
Shame they don't make something in-between the 6 and 10!
Awesomesause man! Glad you found some of the thoughts interesting, hope you get on track with your 636!
Although big bikes are cool to talk about, I have more respect for you on your 600. Like you said, it's more opportunity to develop skills. You will probably have more fun on the smaller bike.
I appreciate the kind words.
Appreciate your insight on this, I have a 2020 s1000rr that I track and it's amazing but I feel like I'm missing out on learning beneficial skills. So I've been planning on picking up a Yamaha R6 but Im slowly looking more and more at the Kawasaki ZX6R just on the fence on whether or not to get a older year or one of the new models, I had no idea about the brake issues
Pretty much any 600 from 2007 to current is gonna work just fine for skill development and not leave you “wishing for more bike”. Good luck!
Nothing wrong with my zx6r b1h , had it from new & its always been able to stoppie with ease , consistently. 36k miles later ..
Love the breakdown, I've done 3 track days on my 2009 zx6r and absolutely love it but I'm finding little weaknesses like you say and love doing little upgrades!
It’s been a blast! I’m on an 09 myself now since the 05 blew a headgasket.
my first trackday was with a ducati 848evo.. amazing experience but not soo easy to ride + very high maitenance. i kept it as a roadbike and got a fully built hrc pc40 600RR which was the perfect and balanced bike to get some track experience. i did 3 events with the 600 sold it and bought a zx10r 2016, ive ridden it twice and i absolutely love it, no torque lowend but very stable and makes 187hp at the wheels with full electronics for a very good price. I couldnt go back to a 600 as my main track bike, the laziness you mention with liter bikes i dont see. my motivation is the clock and to challenge good friends , nothing cooler than shitting yourself from the power of your own bike it makes you respect it. the 600 felt like the b!tch you didnt care for haha
Love it. Thanks for sharing
Zx6r FTW
Yes sir!
Are you ever at Barber Motorsports Track? I ride with STT as well super good group of people
Yes sir! Have been since last year unfortunately.
@@AAron_Rides sweet I'll be there again August 13th and 14th
@@AAron_Rides hope to see ya there hopefully
@@Drewrides89 I’ll have to look at the schedule but it’s possible
Curious to what you are doing with the braking aspect. I have an 07 Zx6r and I bought 08 R6 calipers. I found out you need to run 310mm rotors.
I'll get into that soon. I am going to the larger 310mm rotor from the 06-11 ZX14R/08-10 ZX10R, but the calipers are going to slightly more special ;)
Sorry I missed this. So I went a little farther than most guys would to fix this. 310mm Brembo T-Drives and Brembo M4 calipers. Also installed an Asscotto master cylinder.
Good man! I bet your a better rider now.
Definitely
Nice my new way !!! zx6rr!!!!
Good to hear!
I've raced both and the 1000cc class is more exhilarating. Always had faster lap times on my zx10.
That's awesome! I wonder how I'd do after a few years back on the 600? Definitely has me thinking about getting another ZX10R!
so few rookies understand that smaller cc bikes = more fun and less physical
100% agree! Wish I figured this out sooner
Speed its all relative to the competition, after a while , even the faster bikes start to feel slow like the world slows down around you & your just coasting along , anyone had that ? I'm talking flat out road riding, day / night , lanes / motorways
Mayb thats the time to upgrade my zx6r to a liter bike ? 🤔
Just picked up a 600 for this same reason
That’s awesome 👏 definitely will up your game!
@@AAron_Rides im sure it will. I cant hide behind that zx10r engine skill and technique will be major factors this season
@@FreshMatic love it! Let me know how it goes this year
I ride a zx6r 07 on track in the fastest class and i put lots of liter bikes behind me.. Only way they come back is long straights. Fast expensive bikes don't bring skills... Shame lots of people don't know that🤔
💯 agree
Great commentary
Thank you! Definitely love making these for you guys so I’ll keep the commentary going
Post track day conversation, the best.
@@Mrmarginofsafety awesome I’ll keep that in mind!
Beginning of the video is clearly Tally... Good stuff!
That is correct sir!
@@AAron_Rides I have killed many a left side of my tires at that track... lol
@@SquireSCA oh it’s definitely murder for tires especially the left hand side!
@@AAron_Rides Yeah, last time I was there, the left side of my tire was gone, by lunch time. Huey brought enough tires for the weekend, and on Saturday at lunch time I bought his last set. No idea what was going on that day, but everybody was seeing their tires chew up way faster than normal. It was a cold day, so maybe the tires were slipping more?
@@SquireSCA yeah it’s because it was cold and you guys needed to run the right rubber for the temps but due to the aggregate that makes up most of the track, the harder compound rubber gets chewed up. It’s better to run Tally on 100* days with super soft compounds. This way the rubber molds to the tarmac better and reduces wear from less spinning....sounds backwards I know!
why didn't you just use the zx10r's power modes lol
We setup those modes with 3 tunes: rain, full power pump gas and full power MR12. The KIT ECU electronics had 5 of the least aggressive TC settings so we could steer the bike in the best way for the geometry I liked. EBC tunes also had changes with just basic “more/less” between the two options. But I liked the bike to roll into the corner more. Yeah definitely was a monster after the motor had a SS build. 205hp/84tq was nothing to sneeze at! I can’t wait to get a 2021+ ZX10R!
@@AAron_Rides Yeah I would love to try a zx10r with a mr12 tune. The thing is that mr12 is hard for me to get where am.
@@noahosmond3154 I won’t use it anymore. Too expensive and unnecessary for making a lap time.
Puts vr 46 t shirt in back - talks about Suzuki and Kawasaki
I’m lost as to the point of this comment? I like Vale’s story, sue me 😂
@@AAron_Rides lmao i am also vr 46 fan xD .
Tbh I thought why not yamaha rather than kawasaki - kawasaki is cheaper but repair prices costly af
@@ANIK5261 Oh nice to hear
@@ANIK5261 The R1 doesn't really feel that planted to me? It's been a couple years since ive ridden one though. When I start looking at a liter bike, I'll see about spinning some laps on one again to make sure.
just subscribe
I appreciate the support Kevin
BOOOOOOO!!!!!
U did whaaaaattttt????!!!
Gee!! Why don’t u just take one more step of ease AND RIDE A 400!!!
Not an attack just serious question WITH SHT TON OF DISAPPOINTMENT!!!
Hahaha (I have a 2018 S1000RR now)
@@AAron_Rides KOOL!!! You are a 'big lad' (large 215lb. GROWN MAN!!). Agreed that 600 and 400 are fun and awesome, & I SHOULD be on 400, BUT I'm 6'3" 200lb, bla bla!!! CHEERS & thnx for being so kool & not trolling!!
C ya at the track one day
@@AAron_Rides P.S. I ride race prep '08 CBR 1000 & '20 ZX10 TIRE GOBBLERZ!!
90% of the miles on Hwy 455 Anna,TX to Celina TX, 28mi back forth THE ENVY of THE TT COURSE!! What's you stomping ground?(roads and tracks?)
cheers
@@skatepark1ful I’m in the Atlanta area ;)
Atlanta!! Kool! Seen yor vids just didnt remember what tracks. All tracks around my area, north texas, are GARBAGE, brand new G2 mtrsprt is progressing to garbage! Cresson is terrible garbage, Eagle Cnyn Rcwy is worth the drive and decent pavemnt fun. The rest no good. Even COTA has issues, so I hear, yet worth the$ and drive!! Bla bla. Cheers and best to U and yors!