A massive benefit that is coming stock on the ZX-10R is the steering damper. For people doing a lot of mileage, this thing can save you from disaster when you ride on rough roads (or at night) where unexpected cracks and bump can upset the front wheel.
I don't think it's going to matter to the average rider, but to the average ZX-10R rider, I agree. It's a nice feature that shows that Kawasaki understands their market! Thanks for watching!
Really loved your experience of explaining these bikes, its one of the nicest comparisons of bikes I’ve ever watched. Salute to your knowledge Sir. Keep it up. 💯🔥
Great videos. I had a 2020 Ninja 650 KRT and I loved it. I got a good deal on a 2023 BMW S1000RR in December 2023 with 0% interest because the 2024 models were coming in. I miss the upright position of the Ninja 650. I rode the 650 from NY to FL and back with no back pain or leg cramps. It's so comfy to ride. My 55 year old legs feel so cramped on the BMW S1000RR. I wonder if the ZX-4RR is upright like the 650.
Great breakdown! I'd be all over the ZX4R for the same reasons. I would even choose it over the ZX400RR. I'm sure you could add a quick shifter to to 4R.
Actually you can add the quick shifter as a genuine Kawasaki Accessory. Parts and labour, it's still going to be less expensive than the ZX-4RR. (I checked because I was curious too!)
Yeah, both of those black models look SO much better in person. They don't film well. They also look great in direct sunlight instead of these studio lights.
I wonder if the zx6r could get some partsbin addons from the zx10r and zx4r, they could just slap on the qs and tft from the zx4r, and the blinkers from the zx10r. I think that wouldn't add much to the price, as it isnt anything new, and would really make the zx6r look modern.
I'd like to see a quick refresh of that model too. As you say, add the quick shifter and TFT display with the lap mode on the display and a few more customizable rider modes than the ZX-4RR but even not as many as the ZX-10R. That would probably be enough to bring things up to date for me!
Yeah I really like the analog gauge tho . I was thinking they keep the tachometer and replace the digital part with a smaller TFT screen to display speed power modes ect. Agree with you on everything else.
@@1.7mviews84 Agree with the analogue gauge. I think it’s a lot better to see an analogue gauge in your peripheral vision as opposed to a TFT display. Probably one of the few gripes I have with my Z650. I like the TFT but you’ve got to physically look at the tach to see what rpm your doing. Hardly ideal to have to take your eyes off the road when your sending it.
Thanks great comparison on these bikes! We don’t have the zx4r in Australia yet I’m looking for my second bike being a taller rider at 6”2 would you recommend the zx6r or wait for the zx4r?
Honestly, even though the seat height is a little different between the two, they both fit me fine and I'm about 6 feet. I'm not sure that if you'd find that one fits you and the other doesn't. Technically the ZX-4R is a little bit more of a compact bike, but as I say, the seating position is actually better for me.
@@PeterLoweOne ok cool yeah the zx4r sounds much more fun and suited to the street just wish I could sit on one before ordering it, I guess there will be rear sets available down the track
I'm also an Aussie mate. I went with the zx6r recently. Given the pricing we are seeing in the US, I couldn't justify waiting just to be potentially let down. The prices are just too close to give the 6 a miss. I feel no need for a down QShifter. TFT would've been nice though. I'm just under 5'8" and I find the 6r comfortable. However my little arms mean I'm leaning forward pretty aggressively. I actually think being your height would make the zx6r super comfortable.
When you say "put a pipe", are you saying buy a slip on or the entire exhaust system? Does one make a difference over the other when it comes to noise and horse power?
I'd assume a tune on its own would do, because the factory exhaust system can handle everything, so I was referring to a slip on, but maybe even that isn't necessary.
Can you explain again why the ZX4 is limited on horsepower as it relates to noise? The ZX6 has the same red line and is not limited on power. They both would have to meet the same regulations. Thanks
I can only tell you my understanding, but from what I understand the noise of the ZX-4RR under full power would exceed the standard for noise from a production motorcycle. (Personally I wonder if it's exceeding an emissions regulation at full throttle as well) and because of that, the only way for the manufacturer to introduce it to our market is to restrict that power at 11,000 rpm. What that essentially sets up is the buyer of the bike would be able to modify the bike (essentially to unleash it's full potential) but that would move the legal issue in question (noise and likely emissions) off of the manufacturer, and onto the customer (the owner of the bike). The reason that the ZX-6R, and from what I can tell every other production bike brought into Canada, isn't effected is because it meets the noise regulation standard (and the emissions standards) set out for that bike. The short answer is that we have laws that require manufacturers to produce a certain amount of noise, and no more, and a certain level of emissions, and no more, from various classes of vehicles. If the manufacturer doesn't meet those standards, they can't sell the vehicle here. So it seems that Kawasaki has decided to sell this bike with a restriction, and allow the owner the option of running their own (easily available) tune on it, in order to get the bike here, and move the issue off of their corporate hands, and into the users hands. If I were to buy the bike, I'd buy an aftermarket tune to unleash the full potential. It looks like it's a few hundred bucks and is plug and play. It would void the warranty, but the warranty is only a year anyway.
Thanks for the reply. I really like the idea of a 400CC super sport but I don't like the idea of a choked up one. Personally, it seems odd that Kawasaki would sell the bike in its de-rated form rather than solving the engineering problems related to running the bike at full potential. I would buy one if it was on par with the 600cc power density. in comparison, 16,000 rpm is not even the potential based on how the 636 runs to 16,000 RPM. As the stroke is reduced the RPM can go up. I would expect a maximum effort 400 CC could have peak HP around 85HP at 17,000 RPM with maybe a 17,500 or 18,000 redline without compromise in reliability. Having ridden 15,000 RPM+ sport bikes for years, there appears to be no compromise in reliability with higher RPMS on the small engines.
I'll be reviewing that when it arrives... From what I've read, it's exactly what they needed to do... I have thoughts... But I'll save them for when I've seen the bike with my own eyes.
@@PeterLoweOne well I am planning to upgrade from my rc390 here in India we don't have many 650 or 600s options just Cbr 650r and zx6r From rc390 ktm should I directly upgrade to a litre class bike like zx10r or should I go with middleweight segment first
It's hard to say "a lot more" or a little more in terms of speed. The 400 needs to rev to make speed, while the 650 has a little more torque lower in the revs to build power. The 400 is definitely quicker than the 250.
Sometimes there are differences between what's right or wrong, and what's preferred and not preferred. Lots of people like TFT displays. Lots of people don't. Market research says that there is a large market of people who want them.
@@PeterLoweOne yeah alright, I strongly hate small displays, mostly they are laggy, jerky and cheap decade old smartphone type displays. Ferrari might have a much better UI experience. Also I really hate bars shown for rpms, but sure I can respect other's opinions.
Kawasaki doesn't release those numbers, but there are various estimates online. I won't put a number here, because it may become out of date. I know that people are starting to get these bikes on dyno's so we should see some consistency pretty soon with the figures online. Try a google search to see what people are saying right now.
if the zx6r came with the TFT, quick shift, auto blip, and seating position of the zx4rr that will be the only bike on the street but that's just me lol
Yeah, their first year in particular is going to be very limited, but if you want one, they're both still available. I know in several parts of the U.S. they're sold out.
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A massive benefit that is coming stock on the ZX-10R is the steering damper. For people doing a lot of mileage, this thing can save you from disaster when you ride on rough roads (or at night) where unexpected cracks and bump can upset the front wheel.
I don't think it's going to matter to the average rider, but to the average ZX-10R rider, I agree. It's a nice feature that shows that Kawasaki understands their market! Thanks for watching!
Really loved your experience of explaining these bikes, its one of the nicest comparisons of bikes I’ve ever watched. Salute to your knowledge Sir. Keep it up. 💯🔥
Love the speed of these reviews! Thanks for the insight... I'd buy a bike from ya if I was in Canada 🍁!!!🇨🇦!!!
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Excellent comparison VDO, highly appreciate your continued efforts, Peter👍
Im assuming the ZX4R is detuned for the US market like the ZX4RR, and a ECU flash will bump it up to 70hp as well.
Great videos. I had a 2020 Ninja 650 KRT and I loved it. I got a good deal on a 2023 BMW S1000RR in December 2023 with 0% interest because the 2024 models were coming in. I miss the upright position of the Ninja 650. I rode the 650 from NY to FL and back with no back pain or leg cramps. It's so comfy to ride. My 55 year old legs feel so cramped on the BMW S1000RR. I wonder if the ZX-4RR is upright like the 650.
It's in the same range maybe a slight few degrees more forward in attack position than a Ninja 650.
Thanks for th video. Which bike would you choose as a track only bike?
Me? The ZX-4RR. Most people, the ZX-6R. The brave, the ZX-10R.
Great breakdown! I'd be all over the ZX4R for the same reasons. I would even choose it over the ZX400RR. I'm sure you could add a quick shifter to to 4R.
Actually you can add the quick shifter as a genuine Kawasaki Accessory. Parts and labour, it's still going to be less expensive than the ZX-4RR. (I checked because I was curious too!)
Definitely getting the 4RR
You have to turn on the quick shift on the 600 as well it will display KQS
That's right.
The Fairings of the Black one is the one I like 🤝
Yeah, both of those black models look SO much better in person. They don't film well. They also look great in direct sunlight instead of these studio lights.
I wonder if the zx6r could get some partsbin addons from the zx10r and zx4r, they could just slap on the qs and tft from the zx4r, and the blinkers from the zx10r. I think that wouldn't add much to the price, as it isnt anything new, and would really make the zx6r look modern.
I'd like to see a quick refresh of that model too. As you say, add the quick shifter and TFT display with the lap mode on the display and a few more customizable rider modes than the ZX-4RR but even not as many as the ZX-10R. That would probably be enough to bring things up to date for me!
Yeah I really like the analog gauge tho . I was thinking they keep the tachometer and replace the digital part with a smaller TFT screen to display speed power modes ect. Agree with you on everything else.
@@1.7mviews84 Agree with the analogue gauge. I think it’s a lot better to see an analogue gauge in your peripheral vision as opposed to a TFT display. Probably one of the few gripes I have with my Z650. I like the TFT but you’ve got to physically look at the tach to see what rpm your doing. Hardly ideal to have to take your eyes off the road when your sending it.
@@1.7mviews84 - Same: I've always loved the analog panels.
How does the ZX-4R seating position compare to something like the CBR650R? More aggressive, less aggressive or about the same.
I haven't had the opportunity to compare them back to back, so I'm not sure that I'd be the best one to answer that. I'd be guessing.
Hey bro, very much agressive than CBR650R, i have a ZX6 2020
Thanks great comparison on these bikes! We don’t have the zx4r in Australia yet I’m looking for my second bike being a taller rider at 6”2 would you recommend the zx6r or wait for the zx4r?
Honestly, even though the seat height is a little different between the two, they both fit me fine and I'm about 6 feet. I'm not sure that if you'd find that one fits you and the other doesn't. Technically the ZX-4R is a little bit more of a compact bike, but as I say, the seating position is actually better for me.
@@PeterLoweOne ok cool yeah the zx4r sounds much more fun and suited to the street just wish I could sit on one before ordering it, I guess there will be rear sets available down the track
I'm also an Aussie mate. I went with the zx6r recently. Given the pricing we are seeing in the US, I couldn't justify waiting just to be potentially let down. The prices are just too close to give the 6 a miss.
I feel no need for a down QShifter. TFT would've been nice though.
I'm just under 5'8" and I find the 6r comfortable. However my little arms mean I'm leaning forward pretty aggressively. I actually think being your height would make the zx6r super comfortable.
When you say "put a pipe", are you saying buy a slip on or the entire exhaust system? Does one make a difference over the other when it comes to noise and horse power?
I'd assume a tune on its own would do, because the factory exhaust system can handle everything, so I was referring to a slip on, but maybe even that isn't necessary.
@@PeterLoweOne thank you. Your videos have been very helpful as I progress in my riding experience.
Can you explain again why the ZX4 is limited on horsepower as it relates to noise? The ZX6 has the same red line and is not limited on power. They both would have to meet the same regulations. Thanks
I can only tell you my understanding, but from what I understand the noise of the ZX-4RR under full power would exceed the standard for noise from a production motorcycle. (Personally I wonder if it's exceeding an emissions regulation at full throttle as well) and because of that, the only way for the manufacturer to introduce it to our market is to restrict that power at 11,000 rpm. What that essentially sets up is the buyer of the bike would be able to modify the bike (essentially to unleash it's full potential) but that would move the legal issue in question (noise and likely emissions) off of the manufacturer, and onto the customer (the owner of the bike).
The reason that the ZX-6R, and from what I can tell every other production bike brought into Canada, isn't effected is because it meets the noise regulation standard (and the emissions standards) set out for that bike.
The short answer is that we have laws that require manufacturers to produce a certain amount of noise, and no more, and a certain level of emissions, and no more, from various classes of vehicles. If the manufacturer doesn't meet those standards, they can't sell the vehicle here. So it seems that Kawasaki has decided to sell this bike with a restriction, and allow the owner the option of running their own (easily available) tune on it, in order to get the bike here, and move the issue off of their corporate hands, and into the users hands.
If I were to buy the bike, I'd buy an aftermarket tune to unleash the full potential. It looks like it's a few hundred bucks and is plug and play. It would void the warranty, but the warranty is only a year anyway.
Thanks for the reply. I really like the idea of a 400CC super sport but I don't like the idea of a choked up one. Personally, it seems odd that Kawasaki would sell the bike in its de-rated form rather than solving the engineering problems related to running the bike at full potential. I would buy one if it was on par with the 600cc power density. in comparison, 16,000 rpm is not even the potential based on how the 636 runs to 16,000 RPM. As the stroke is reduced the RPM can go up. I would expect a maximum effort 400 CC could have peak HP around 85HP at 17,000 RPM with maybe a 17,500 or 18,000 redline without compromise in reliability. Having ridden 15,000 RPM+ sport bikes for years, there appears to be no compromise in reliability with higher RPMS on the small engines.
@@PeterLoweOneoutstanding answer. Thank you‼️😁
Your thoughts on new 2024 zx6r
I'll be reviewing that when it arrives... From what I've read, it's exactly what they needed to do... I have thoughts... But I'll save them for when I've seen the bike with my own eyes.
@@PeterLoweOne well I am planning to upgrade from my rc390 here in India we don't have many 650 or 600s options just Cbr 650r and zx6r
From rc390 ktm should I directly upgrade to a litre class bike like zx10r or should I go with middleweight segment first
So It’s not limited to 11500rpm, It’s able to rev up to 16000rpm. However, It’s limited the power to 11500rpm??
That seems to be what's going on. It stops making power at that point. You can see Kawasaki's wording at www.kawasaki.ca
Outstanding video 🏆😊👍
How is the difference in acceleration between the 40 and 600? Will the 400 have a lot more acceleration then say the ninja 250?
It's hard to say "a lot more" or a little more in terms of speed. The 400 needs to rev to make speed, while the 650 has a little more torque lower in the revs to build power. The 400 is definitely quicker than the 250.
Why everyone keep asking for cheap chinese TFT mini displays? You have never owned a phone? Analog is what makes racing bikes fun.
Sometimes there are differences between what's right or wrong, and what's preferred and not preferred. Lots of people like TFT displays. Lots of people don't. Market research says that there is a large market of people who want them.
@@PeterLoweOne yeah alright, I strongly hate small displays, mostly they are laggy, jerky and cheap decade old smartphone type displays. Ferrari might have a much better UI experience. Also I really hate bars shown for rpms, but sure I can respect other's opinions.
Bored out to 450cc , 1mm on intake exhaust, 9 degree valves angel
Dude the camera doesn't do the size of these bike justice.
In my opinion zx10r is huge. Tank is massive
I wouldn't describe it as huge, but it is a bigger bike than the other two, for sure.
So, how much power does the zx4r make in stock form?
Kawasaki doesn't release those numbers, but there are various estimates online. I won't put a number here, because it may become out of date. I know that people are starting to get these bikes on dyno's so we should see some consistency pretty soon with the figures online. Try a google search to see what people are saying right now.
@@PeterLoweOne much appreciated, thank you for the video.
@@PeterLoweOne would you say zx4r is good for a beginner rider?
80hp with RAM air.
When limited, looks like 56 hp
I want to buy 6r or 4r but unfortunately both not available in Indian market 😏
They will be by the end of the year. Atleast ZX4R for sure.
Can you do the zx6r vs zx10r 2024 please thanks
Yup. I'll try to do that soon.
@@PeterLoweOne thank you I just tested the zx6r today I loved it
if the zx6r came with the TFT, quick shift, auto blip, and seating position of the zx4rr that will be the only bike on the street but that's just me lol
636 gang
Is zx4r robust? looks like a 600cc?
I think the ZX4R is a fantastic bike. It really depends on what you want in a bike.
@@PeterLoweOne in terms of size, does the zx4r seem to be more like a ninja 400 or zx6r?
Nice comparison…Which has a more committed position a 6r or a 10 r for a rider with 6.1 height
Is that a question or a statement? Try using periods and/or question marks.
@@customfantasyhotwheels Since i had mentioned..which and subject is also is clear its a question
@karthickkrishnamurthy9743 too stupid to know how a question mark works?
So the dealership is only getting two ZX-4R bikes for the whole of 2023? Sounds like it’s going to be rare as hens teeth!
Yeah, their first year in particular is going to be very limited, but if you want one, they're both still available. I know in several parts of the U.S. they're sold out.
The 2024 ZX6R has the TFT and the other features the 10R and 4RR have
I'm expecting that, but I haven't seen the official release from Kawasaki Canada on the 2024 ZX-6R
@@PeterLoweOnedoesn't have the blipper.. just the shifter
Zx4r black is the best color ❤
I went with ZX10R. God help me I don't want to die. 😢
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Man these videos are infinitly boring and slow paced
He goes into great detail, but he does have a way of hitting all the relevant points I want to know😊