KTuner K.CON Analysis!?! (using Phearable Stage 3 ECU Tune) // 10th Gen. (2018+) Honda Accord
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- We evaluate our KTUNER K.con values (knock) taken from our performance tests on our 2019 Honda Accord 2.0 project car under various driving scenarios, including; street driving, 0-60mph runs, DYNO pulls, and 1/4 mile track tests, to see how the knock / K.control values compare when running the Phearable Stage 3 ECU Tune - the 93 octane tune running on 91 octane gas, then supplementing the tune with E85 flex fuel, and finally running the Phearable Stage 3 91 octane ECU tune with 91 octane fuel. The modified 10th Gen Honda Accord we're using contains some simple FBO bolt-on mods such as the PRL HVI (air intake), the Mishimoto Intercooler (or PRL intercooler), and the PRL HV Downpipe, along with the Phearable tune, of course! If you're looking to modify your Honda Accord 2.0 or 1.5 and looking for performance parts recommendations, install how-tos, and DYNO tests of performance parts, then SUBSCRIBE today! We'll routinely dyno test our 2019 Honda Accord 2.0 Touring as we continue with our (2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022) Honda Accord modification journey - next up, a custom ECU tune, PRL Flex Fuel Kit, lightweight rims and sticky tires, you can help decide...
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Great video Chad! Appreciate your content!
Thank you, No Name! Appreciate YOUR continued support 😉
Love what your doing Chad 💪🏿
Thank you! I really appreciate the comment and support 😁👍
Hi Chad great analyst of the k.con number base on fuel ans situation. I think it might be good to also do what you did with the stock tune. Run 91 gas on stock tune and monitor the k.con on each of the 4 situations you presented (norm, spirited, 0-60, & 1/4) and analyze to find delta between stock 91 and stage 3(93) tune 91 gas, stage 3(93) tune 91E gas and stage 3(91) tune 91 gas. You have most of this data if not all.
BTW can't wait for the wheel reveal video, I'm sure it gonna look awesome 😎
You’re right, I do have all that data except for the track runs when stock. They all fall between 0.49 and mid 0.50s. The video is coming with the new wheels. It drives much different than before 👍
Recently had a track day I’ve been seeing .45-.65 at most over the past months but the other day it peaked at 1.07 at the track and today it’s settled around .68
Also found the best way to bring Knock Control down is to cruise at the highest gear (10th) and feather the throttle to make like 0.1 psi of boost, and those values will start to come down.
this is how I do it after a pull.
Thanks!
Wow, what a way to start my day ; ) Thank you very much for your contribution, and support of the channel! I hope future videos continue to provide value for you.
I'd like to see if "TORCO F500010T Unleaded Fuel Accelerator" would help with your k.con on the drag strip. (Probably too costly to use on a daily basis). I use it to bump 93 octane up to 97 in my 1990 Mustang 5.0 with a NON-intercooled supercharger running at 9 to 10 psi on a custom tune. I add 16 ounces to 10 gallons of 93. Torco says that ratio adds 4 points to the octane.
I do have some Royal Purple octane booster but have yet to try it 🤔🤷♂️
Is there a noticeable difference in power when it comes to the 91 tune vs 93 tune?
I noticed kcon rises a lot of times when on the wrong gear. For example being on gear 10 on a 10 speed automatic on the freeway and putting the pedal to the metal.
I am fbo on e30-35 10 speed and stage 2 ktuner
Wrong gear, or when the car downshifts from a high gear under WOT
LOL, I just ordered lightweight wheels too, they'll be arriving any day now,
👍 what kind of rims and tires did you buy?
@@TheLemonFactor Advanti Racing Cammino 24.5 lbs and Michelin Cross Climate 2"s, How about u ?
Nice! I’ll be reveling mine soon 😉
@@TheLemonFactor Great, looking forward to see em
What about running 93 octane on the 91 tune? Did you try that. I may have missed it. Thanks for the content.
I only have access to 91 octane here in Colorado.
What does kcon mean at all? What's the upper bound and lower bound for "normal"? Some people say 0 is what you want, but I don't think that's possible.
Chad,
What Ktuner quick adjustment and quick enables do you have set at?
Asking because my Kcon seems to jump around a lot on stage 2 with quick spool enabled and all the quick adjustments set to max. It always goes back down to .49 after feathering the throttle on the highway but it’s rather annoying watching it rise by .05-.1 after every wot pull with minimal to zero knock events being recorded
I believe (but I’d have to go back and check) that everything is set at or close to the most aggressive settings, except for the one that says “race only”.
Have you thought about suspension by chance ? Maybe Silver NeoMax? heard about those
We have Eibach springs and rear sway bar installed 👍
I had a phearable stage 3 and 4 before my Type R Turbo (I'm close to sea level 300ish feet above), and found my Knock Control on 93 with Stage 3, never really crept above .6 unless I have really poor gas. Stage 4 with E35 mix, the highest I saw was .85 doing some roll racing due to REALLY and I mean REALLY bad 93. Added in some Shell 93 and a bit more Ethanol and never creeped above .6ish either
On Type R custom tune, I rarely see it go above .55 nowadays.
OTS tune definitely has a bit of safety built in, once you go custom for your application, it tends to stay pretty low in my experience.
You're right, the best thing you can do I simply get a custom tune.
@@TheLemonFactor Definitely hit up DRob at IMW when you do
Good stuff. I'm thinking you got Enkei wheels
Sport cup tires.
No, not Enkeis, although I’ve had them in the past and they’re great rims 👍
@@TheLemonFactor good cuz I'm hooked on Enkei wheels 😎. I think you got Rays/Volk rims.
I don’t know about that 🤷♂️. Those are some nice rims, but very expensive 💵
@@TheLemonFactor lol. Yeah they are. Mugen wheels are too. Nice looken but whooo weee $
Hey chad, noticed your 0-60 run around 6:47, are you stage 3 tune at that time or stock tune as your psi only goes to about 16-17psi
That’s with Phearable Stage 3
@@TheLemonFactor is that regular boost for 0-60 I know mine goes to like 23-24.5 psi, I think boost target is different for second gear
@@kevindinh5382 im guessing he’s at higher elevation. I also have the phearable tune and I’m getting 22-24psi at 597 feet of elevation
I also see max of 18psi on the dyno pulls as well. I’d have to go back to my logs to see what I hit for the 1/4 mile pulls.
I’m running 93 with phearable stage 3 and I get upward .7 k cont. add 1 gallon of E85 and get .5. It’s definitely helped my numbers.
Looking forward to seeing what the tires do for wheel spin issue.
Are you getting 0.7 and above under normal driving conditions?
@@TheLemonFactor I would say spirited driving. Not even really punching it hard but getting .7. The gallon of e85 works. Just isn’t available everywhere so not an option for some people.
Is it ok to add the one gallon of E85 with stock fuel lines/ module/ pump ?
@@3Pedal_Accord i think it’s ok. Mine are stock. Pretty sure no one is changing those items unless they are doing the full changeover for the stage 4 phearable tune. I don’t think one gallon mixed with a full tank of 93 is going to hurt anything. Just keeps the k cont lower.
@@flynfury8363i can fill up my tank and and a gallon of e with out flex feul tank?
Can someone tell me what is a normal amount of k count cause I tend to see some drives like to work for example I’ll get 3 knocks in a 40 minute drive and the other day it went to 3 immediately after starting. And then I think I saw it go to like 8-9 in a span of say 30 minutes so is that bad? Don’t wanna damage my car I have the regular Ktuner stage 2 I have a PRL HVI and a Borla exhaust nothing else aside from those mods. Should I get any more
I wouldn't be too concerned about the K.count. Although it is a count of events, the events may not be knock. I would focus on the K.con readings.
Did you do a video on what K Control numbers mean? Knock?
I have not
You're not alone, I just sold my 9th gen but around 75-85mph my kcount would rise and the more i was in it the more it would rise. It would only rise that high if i was starting from a low speed but if i started from 70mph on the highway and went to 130 i was ok. Not sure whats going on there but id like to know too.
Was running Ktuner OTS "Stage 2" 93 tune
I’ve been curious to know if the behavior is unique to the Phearable tune, or if we’d see the same from the KTuner Stage 2 🤷♂️🤔👍
@@TheLemonFactor from my numerous datalogs between the two I genuinely think it's the phearablestage3 tune
Do you smell in the cabin 0-60 like a sulfur smell chad? From installing a e 85 kit?
I have not noticed any odor from using E85. Are you using a catless downpipe?
I've found my numbers jump at around 80mph as well. I'm not bashing the Phearable tune, its decent for OTS but its just not great to run hard. I have found that the 91 *version* of the stage 3 tune is much more consistent and the power difference is noticeable but honestly not by much. I've had my numbers JUMP, and I mean JUMP to 1.1 one time on the 93 version, last time I ever touched that tune.
That’s scary 😧
@@TheLemonFactor yeah I floored it for a second, I looked up and I was like holy shit. Kcon numbers being high is obviously not good but I don’t think it’s dangerous, it’s there for our protection.
It’s dangerous
@@TheLemonFactor how so? It’s pulling timing to protect the engine, not good but I wouldn’t think anything bad could happen, right? Lol now I’m scared
It's pulling timing to protect the engine only after it's experienced an event(s) that in itself has the potential to damage / have damaged the engine.
At 6:39, how come your only getting up to 17psi? I have phearable stage 3 93 octane and I’m getting up to 22-24 psi full throttle. Elevation maybe?
yeah hes like 6k above sea level i think, when i was in CO i didnt even touch 20 psi
@@JudgeFXX he’s also on 91 octane not the 93 stage 3 tune so many they don’t run as much boost on the 91 octane? Not sure. That would be something to reach out to phearable.
@@HondaAccordPerformance he runs the 93 version using 91 octane, both tunes target same boost I believe just different timing parameters or something.
We have 94 up here in Canada. Im getting the same results as you.... Varies between .49 and .7 depending on how you drive it .
I’m a little surprised that you have the same results on 94 octane 🤔
@@TheLemonFactor what were you expecting ?
Lower K.con numbers than 0.7 when using 94 octane
@@TheLemonFactor I guess on regular day to day drives it stays around .49 but will go up .70 on the track... on a side note I tried using a fuel system cleaner and seen the value go up to 1.04!
😮
I’ve been in phearable stage 3 for about 2 weeks now (91 version) my conclusion so far is that Cali gas is TRASH. I haven’t seen anything under .63 at all times and even during small pulls it would jump like crazy to upwards of .75. One time even .83 and I just flashed back to stock so wouldn’t deal with it. Would you say it’s worth just getting a custom tune? Or wait to do bigger upgrades and just stay in stock tune for now ? Thanks!
I do recommend a custom tune 👍
Same issue for me. Normal cruising hangs around 0.70, but wot pushes .80. I am currently running Stage 2 on 91 Octane. I flashed back to stock and found that it was still hanging around 0.70 stock. Ill try to find some 94 Octane next
@@SpyToeMan I actually flashed back to stage 3, but have been using 1.25 gallons of E85 and the rest 91. It stays at .49 for the most part and won’t go over .54 with hard pulls. I’d recommend it if you’re able to get E85 I’ve been running it for 4 months.
did u have a flex fuel kit when u added e85
No, I did not have the flex fuel kit installed. Remember, in the example I provided, I only added 1-1.5 gal of E85 to a full tank of 91 octane.
@@TheLemonFactor is it okay if i put 1-1.5 gals of e85 with 93 with the stage 3. my 2.0t is my first build I'm very new to this
Im getting .88 k on start up and stays there im about to reflash to stock, do full maintenence on the car as its at 50k miles, ive been using 93 but im starting to suspect that its the fuel
This is on phearable stage 3 on a 2018 accord sport 2.0t with a 6spd
So if you were to drive at a reasonable highway speed for a period of time, you don’t see your numbers drop?
No I do not I switched gas stations , between the 91 and 93 tune, tried mishimoto, k&n, and now prl hvi v2 intake, I have a mishimoto intercooler, put different spark plugs in and haven't seen much improvement I'm thinking fuel pump, I don't want to custom tune until I swap turbo and do flex fuel
Off topic, do you have any info on proper engine oil? Running e35 on my accord and have been recommend by multiple people to switch to 5w-30. I’m in Cali, so not sure if the higher temps make a difference. I know the manual says 0w-20 so figured I’d ask.
I don’t know why you would run a different oil because you’re running E35. 🤷♂️. With that said, I’ve heard people switching oil, but personally wouldn’t recommend deviating from the OEM recommendation (long story).
If you run E on the regular it will thin out the oil and you might experience a leak at the valve cover as a result. It really depends how often you run E and beat the car.
@TOURING 18 - please explain how the use of E dilutes your oil?
@@touring189 how does running E lower thin your oil?
@@glossking3570 you run more fuel using E. Anything unburnt gets cycled into the oil thinning it out. Do a quick Google and you will find more info. I'd say just keep an eye on the oil and check for yourself.
Bro what ur rpm at idle? My rpm is at 720 - 730 idle is that correct?
~750 RPMs at idle 👍
question fuel trim short 5-10 and long -2 or -3 at idle is this normal ?
@@TheLemonFactor i get 1.5-1k idle at start up, then back down to 800 after a few min is that normal? im on stage 2
It’s normal.
Is a knock count of 25 bad? Knock control at idle is .45
Knock count can be anything from my understanding om the ktuner platform watch your kcon
KCon rises to stop knocking. Your car is protecting itself by the knock control rising. If it stays there I would be concerned.
I got 107oct race fuel u think that wouls help bring it down ???
If you want to see high K.Con, run 87 with the factory tune at 90mph.
I think I’ll take a pass on that one 😧
It will make you feel better about the other tunes. I saw mid 80s. Switched back to KTuner stage two with premium, I was back at 53 max. 87 and 93 from the same gas station. Makes me think the engine was designed for premium.