The Doom Rogue-Like Angel of Pacifism challenge follows the same basic idea. When you reach the final level, the only way to kill the Spider Mastermind is by sacrificing yourself.
So basically - to beat the Icon of Sin pacifist-style, you have to let your enemies turn you into a living bomb and launch you into the boss... That is very, very metal.
One wrinkle that was skipped is just how lucky ZM got with the infighting. In Doom, things "remember" what the last thing to injure them was. This includes barrels. During the run, at one point the shotgunner up above happened to nick an unexploded barrel. The barrel then "remembered" that it had been hit by that shotgunner. Then a little later when there are two imps left, one of the imps hits the barrel with a fireball and it blows up, killing one and injuring the remaining imp. The code looks to see what hurt the final imp, and then checks if the barrel "remembers" who damaged it. The barrel's "memory" is still of the shotgunner, because it's only updated when it is injured, not killed, and so the barrel tells the imp that it should be mad at the shotgunner instead!
This is also detailed in decino's latest video about monster infighting, if anyone else needs a visual aide to help in figuring it out. But Linguica did a great job explaining it.
it seems fitting that doomguy basically becomes jesus Christ on the last level of a doom pacifist run, given that doom is the most Christian video game there is.
11:29 Imagine you are the doom guy who is about to sacrifice his life in an ATTEMPT to end it all. You jump on the elevator and you are thinking "Will this work? Will my life go in vain and the whole universe remains overruled by this evil for ever?" You turn around while the platform is rising and the very last thing you see is the terrifying view on all those archviles raising their hands and are about to obliterate you in a few seconds. For a moment your skin freezes feeling the touch of death reaching it's arm to you and immediately after your skin starts to burn. You quickly jump as far as you can and the fireblasts rip your body mid air launching it across the room.... There is nothing more, only darkness. You will never know what happened next.
Fun fact: Monsters in doom that are the same type cannot infight or even deal dammage to each other. The reason Zero Master was able to let the shotgunners/zombiemen kill each other is due to hitscan. If these monsters shot projectiles, like the imps fireball, they would not deal dammage/infight. There is a youtuber named Decino who has some annalysis videos looking into these sort of mechanics for DOOM if anyone is interested.
Actually, all hitscan enemies can infight. What I don't understand is how he got two imps to fight after the barrels were gone. The one imp kills the other with standard fire which should be impossible.
@@Sinn0100 I've heard many years ago that Imps' close range attack (claws) do hurt other Imps, so when they go infight they hurt each other with their claws
One single exception: Barons and Hell Knights can't harm each other with their projectiles. This isn't because they use the same graphic for their attacks, as you might expect; instead, there's a specific exception coded into the monster AI the makes Barons and Knights deal 0 damage to each other. And yes, all monsters' melee attacks can damage their same species. But without something like the barrel last-damaged trick to get them to fight each other, ordinarily there would be no way for two projectile monsters of the same species to aggro on each other, because they're immune to one another's projectiles.
Man I don't comment often. But Karl, if you read this I just want to give you props. I instantly click your vids when I see them, especially the doom ones. It's so simple, yet you make it so entertaining and with very knowledgeable information. Keep up the amazing work bro! Of course I won't forget the editor either *cough* having to cut that many deaths off when you play haha. Jokes aside, your videos are of quality. I really hope you become big
True. Because of this channel, I realized, that speedrun is a unique kind of online culture (not that the games are to be played online but you share and compare your results online) with various disciplines. Very interesting.
I really enjoyed how in depth and informative this video was, you explained every bit of the run in ways that were easy to understand and get behind, and it's always interesting to see such insane runs be analyzed fully. Keep up the great work Karl
I learned about you and your videos when i watched the video about you doing the 52 in goldeneye dam, i have never played goldeneye, doom, quake etc but your videos are absolutely legendary you break down everything while being entertaining and to the point, i can watch one of your 20 minute videos and it looks like i only watched a minute because of how good they are. You are the true definition of a good content creator. Do you have intentions of making videos about more recent games? I'm a big fan of games like bloodborne and dark souls and find watching speedruns of those very entertaining despite not being a speedrunner myself. Keep being an absolute legend Karl, we'll all be here to support you. PS: apologies for any spelling errors, english is not my mother tongue.
I was literally waiting for some new video to come up and one from this absolute legend of a speed runner and TH-camr pops in my face! Well only watched 10 seconds time to enjoy myself ! Yesss I am so glad that you did this topic! I actually watched his explanation video of this and the original run. But you make it so much clearer what's going on by explaining everything in great detail. Plus the icon of Sin bonus stuff at the end is absolutely insane. Thanks for another excellent video Karl!
I think with the TAS that goes understated is so hard it is to just get the Archviles to spawn the numbers required to do the final launch. It's around 0.78% that an archvile would spawn and ZeroMaster uses 30 of them in the TAS. It's utterly insane for odds!
As always, a fantastic dissection of speed running. If Zero Master is the master of speed running, you sir are definitely the master of analysis in a TH-cam video.
Being a pacifist is the hardest mode in any game as well as life. Pacifist doomguy knew this, and with his sacrifice he overcame mans basic instinct of rage, chaos and destruction and being a pawn of a weapon. instead he became the element of evolution. F to pay respects for Doomguy end boss sacrifice.
@@RecoveryPlayz I think what Teodor is saying is that the video says there is a shotgunner in the room but you can get past him with enough speed, yet the video shows 2 shotgunners in the room. It is difficult to see but if you slow the video down as much as possible you can see a second shotgun guy to the left by the exit button.
That strategy at the end is extremely impressive I would love to see somebody do it while playing, but I know it's impossible Seriously I have always loved doom runs, they'res just something about them that makes them unique to all others
My jaw fucking dropped when I saw that TAS. I thought he was just gonna get in the hole so he could punch John Romero to death but using the fire from the Archvilles is genius.
i watched zeromaster's video couple weeks ago, figured you would do a video about it some day, but then this video showing up right after i just watched was almost like you were reading my mind. great work as always.
I'm getting right into these challenge vids at the moment, I just finished watching a Donkey Kong Country no enemies death attempt among others. This ones an incredible story, even with me not being a huge fan of DOOM I found it enthralling how far someone would go to figure out new ways of playing their old favorites. It's giving me ideas... Great work mate.
I have so much respect for the few speedrunners that are also content creators! You all do so much for the world of speedrunning making it accessable like this!
Look foward to these vids everyday. I still play original doom on my xbox at least once a week and have actually found a few secrets recently on my own! Best feeling ever
I like to imagine that every playthrough of every doom game, doom guy experiences and remembers. That's why he's so good. He's had lifetimes of practice. As well as untold number of deaths.
The last bit saying impossible to complete icon of sin pacifist hurt my heart. And the only way to theoretically beat it is to be burned to death. Yo I feel like I relate too much to this like my brain hurts like it feels like it's burning.
I've had one of the worst things of my life happen to me last night, so waking up, trying to recover this morning and seeing a new video? It makes my shitty life a little bit better while I try and keep my mind off of things and onto things I love. Thank you, Karl, for making such incredible videos
The fact that Karl does videos on my two favorite speed games (Doom 2 and Goldeneye) makes him my tied for first speedrun content maker. Goose is tied with him
I remember the day each of these dropped. Zero Master blew my mind with each one. It's crazy how long Underhalls took, but it was gripping. It's insane that it requires a ghost camera to adequately explain it. The TAS Icon of Sin was a thing of beauty. I don't know how long it took to get that created, but that might be the ZM's best work to date.
I love your doom videos, Im french and I don't speak english very well, but you speak clarely and this is sooo interresting ! subtitle help me a lot ofc. Thanks for this video ! :)
Ah, Underhalls. The level you get the super shotgun for the first time. And you mean to tell me people had a hard time doing a pacifist run? I submit that the real reason for this is that they couldn't resist blasting zombies with the best fps shotgun ever made, the SSG.
tool assisted accomplishments normally feel a little irksome but the exact mechanism that the level is conquered, where a swarm of the most powerful and hated monster in the game accidentally destroys the overlord monster by way of an incredible leap-death combination - is 100% excellence, for the first time ever Tool assist has given me rightful grins.
Doomguy wins by starting a bar fight and hiding in a corner.
Should give a shout out to Rimmer :D
th-cam.com/video/grupR1xTLvc/w-d-xo.html
@@chriswelcome8102 That wasn't a bar room brawl, it was a bar room tidy.
LOL
If he started a bar fight, you could be sure as hell he'll finish it
I think it's a nice thematic capstone that in order to beat the Icon of Sin in a pacifist run, Doomguy has to sacrifice himself.
You must be prepared to do anything to accomplish the holy grail of Doom speed running :-)
Yeah I was gonna say. That’s pretty meta that the last level left unbeaten pacifist is the last level in the game.
A small price to pay for salvation
I think it's pretty damn amazing that the one demon responsible for resurrection is also required to end it all in a pacifist way.
The Doom Rogue-Like Angel of Pacifism challenge follows the same basic idea. When you reach the final level, the only way to kill the Spider Mastermind is by sacrificing yourself.
A pacifist giving his life to kill the icon of sin, is truly poetic.
One could say... Messianic?
Jesus Christ anyone? Lol. His blood washed away our sins. Get it?
Never tought I would hear part of the gospel from a Doom game.
@@medexamtoolscom whatever you say pal
Holmes - Moriarty, Sisco - Ducat, Gadalf - Balroc
So basically - to beat the Icon of Sin pacifist-style, you have to let your enemies turn you into a living bomb and launch you into the boss...
That is very, very metal.
Lmao it is
it’s a fucking mood and I hate it
Only in doom would the pacifist run be so badass.
well.. Since it's the fire what kills the IOS, you're actually a fucken human-size MOLOTOV
One wrinkle that was skipped is just how lucky ZM got with the infighting. In Doom, things "remember" what the last thing to injure them was. This includes barrels. During the run, at one point the shotgunner up above happened to nick an unexploded barrel. The barrel then "remembered" that it had been hit by that shotgunner. Then a little later when there are two imps left, one of the imps hits the barrel with a fireball and it blows up, killing one and injuring the remaining imp. The code looks to see what hurt the final imp, and then checks if the barrel "remembers" who damaged it. The barrel's "memory" is still of the shotgunner, because it's only updated when it is injured, not killed, and so the barrel tells the imp that it should be mad at the shotgunner instead!
Dude that's sick, thanks for sharing.
what????? oh gosh that's so complicated to understand...
Admit it, you learned that from Decino's video on infighting right before watching this one =P Amazing facts none the less.
This is also detailed in decino's latest video about monster infighting, if anyone else needs a visual aide to help in figuring it out. But Linguica did a great job explaining it.
My brain just exploded, this is so cool
It seems fitting that the last level of a Doom pacifist run requires the hero to sacrifice himself to stop the evil.
poetic
He died for our sins.
F
Master of the Universe I really love how call of duty will never escape this meme.
it seems fitting that doomguy basically becomes jesus Christ on the last level of a doom pacifist run, given that doom is the most Christian video game there is.
•Came to be called an absolute legend
•Stayed for the amazing content
KJ calling us absolute legends is so wholesome and nice.
what an absolute legend he is!
@@M0torsagmannen it makes me all warm and fuzzy inside lol like "awww no YOU'RE an absolute legend" lol
i like this thread
I also came when he called me an absolute legend.
11:29 Imagine you are the doom guy who is about to sacrifice his life in an ATTEMPT to end it all. You jump on the elevator and you are thinking "Will this work? Will my life go in vain and the whole universe remains overruled by this evil for ever?" You turn around while the platform is rising and the very last thing you see is the terrifying view on all those archviles raising their hands and are about to obliterate you in a few seconds. For a moment your skin freezes feeling the touch of death reaching it's arm to you and immediately after your skin starts to burn. You quickly jump as far as you can and the fireblasts rip your body mid air launching it across the room.... There is nothing more, only darkness. You will never know what happened next.
This is actually sad lol
cool story bro
Stfu
I hope he wins
Certainly makes you think 👌
Fun fact: Monsters in doom that are the same type cannot infight or even deal dammage to each other. The reason Zero Master was able to let the shotgunners/zombiemen kill each other is due to hitscan. If these monsters shot projectiles, like the imps fireball, they would not deal dammage/infight. There is a youtuber named Decino who has some annalysis videos looking into these sort of mechanics for DOOM if anyone is interested.
Very interesting, thanks
I see you also watch Decino
Actually, all hitscan enemies can infight. What I don't understand is how he got two imps to fight after the barrels were gone. The one imp kills the other with standard fire which should be impossible.
@@Sinn0100 I've heard many years ago that Imps' close range attack (claws) do hurt other Imps, so when they go infight they hurt each other with their claws
One single exception: Barons and Hell Knights can't harm each other with their projectiles. This isn't because they use the same graphic for their attacks, as you might expect; instead, there's a specific exception coded into the monster AI the makes Barons and Knights deal 0 damage to each other.
And yes, all monsters' melee attacks can damage their same species. But without something like the barrel last-damaged trick to get them to fight each other, ordinarily there would be no way for two projectile monsters of the same species to aggro on each other, because they're immune to one another's projectiles.
I can’t believe they turned Doom into a puzzle game...
Man I don't comment often. But Karl, if you read this I just want to give you props. I instantly click your vids when I see them, especially the doom ones. It's so simple, yet you make it so entertaining and with very knowledgeable information. Keep up the amazing work bro! Of course I won't forget the editor either *cough* having to cut that many deaths off when you play haha.
Jokes aside, your videos are of quality. I really hope you become big
True. Because of this channel, I realized, that speedrun is a unique kind of online culture (not that the games are to be played online but you share and compare your results online) with various disciplines. Very interesting.
It was thought impossible, then Zero Master happened.
-DOOM challenges in a nutshell.
Or thomas pilger
I love how you approach to the topic and explain everything step by step!
Favourite part of any of Karl's videos: "to achieve T H I S run"
T H I S comment
When you hear it you know shit is about to go down
Then the in game sound comes in and you get this rush of adrenaline as all of the talk finally comes together in a short yet simple run of pure skill
don't downplay the ACHIEVED
> provokes mobs leading to them killing each others or themselves off of explosive barrels
> sleeps at night with clean conscience
R.I.P.
Doomsguy
1993-2019
He saved Earth
from demon invasion
by sacrificing himself
and without harming
a single demon
*asides from the icon of sin*
By causing civil war among them
"civil war" is an interesting way of saying monster infighting
hahaha :D
Indeed, I remember using this consciously for the first time in Q1. We called it a bar fight maneuver :)
Other way around O.O
I call it the trying to get the skeleton to kill the creeper so you can get a music disc in minecraft maneuver.
Kills - 10800%
Yep... that's Doomguy.
Ironically, the Pacifist
Kills: 10800%
Damn!
Dem ain't bad stats for a pacifist run
When do you think this will be done.
Thats a lot of damage
Your content just gets better and better. Not only one of the best Perfect Dark/Golden Eye players ever, but a great content creator. Love your work.
Thank you I appreciate that
I can't believe Doom had demo files back then, the third person view is great feedback.
I really enjoyed how in depth and informative this video was, you explained every bit of the run in ways that were easy to understand and get behind, and it's always interesting to see such insane runs be analyzed fully. Keep up the great work Karl
I learned about you and your videos when i watched the video about you doing the 52 in goldeneye dam, i have never played goldeneye, doom, quake etc but your videos are absolutely legendary
you break down everything while being entertaining and to the point, i can watch one of your 20 minute videos and it looks like i only watched a minute because of how good they are.
You are the true definition of a good content creator.
Do you have intentions of making videos about more recent games? I'm a big fan of games like bloodborne and dark souls and find watching speedruns of those very entertaining despite not being a speedrunner myself.
Keep being an absolute legend Karl, we'll all be here to support you.
PS: apologies for any spelling errors, english is not my mother tongue.
Yes I have plans to cover dark souls
That icon of sin strategy by looper was breathtakingly beatiful.
"You absolute legends"
*blushes
**dies**
**nosebleed**
*chair*
I love how much detail goes into your videos. So much homework done, I dont even play Doom myself but you get me hooked. Thanks, you absolute legend!
I was literally waiting for some new video to come up and one from this absolute legend of a speed runner and TH-camr pops in my face! Well only watched 10 seconds time to enjoy myself !
Yesss I am so glad that you did this topic! I actually watched his explanation video of this and the original run. But you make it so much clearer what's going on by explaining everything in great detail. Plus the icon of Sin bonus stuff at the end is absolutely insane. Thanks for another excellent video Karl!
This is like a sports analyst breaking down an important game. I love it
9:45
"Shadow Zero"
You mean Zero Master? 😂
Squillam Squallace shadow zero was a good perfect dark player back in the day
Punished Zero
A man denied his speedruns
Maybe because he's pretty much a shadow to the enemies because they're all infighting?
I think with the TAS that goes understated is so hard it is to just get the Archviles to spawn the numbers required to do the final launch. It's around 0.78% that an archvile would spawn and ZeroMaster uses 30 of them in the TAS. It's utterly insane for odds!
As always, a fantastic dissection of speed running. If Zero Master is the master of speed running, you sir are definitely the master of analysis in a TH-cam video.
You should check out Decino here on TH-cam. His analysis videos are on par with Karl's
Finally! Was buzzing for another Doom or Quake speed running video, more of these please!
Cacodemons are probably my favorite enemies from Doom. They just look so cool.
Love these videos man. Very informative and professional with the way you explain what’s going on, without silly jokes or cutaways.
Well, now im addicted to this channel.
Seeing the title and "pacifist" on the thumbnail made my mind jump straight to map02. Great video!
This is one of my favorite channels, you do a great job explaining things!
Love your stuff, love your style. Please do more doom!
9:45 did you just say Shadow Zero instead of Zero Master 😂
Doomguy: The problem of being faster than light is to live in darkness...
Being a pacifist is the hardest mode in any game as well as life.
Pacifist doomguy knew this, and with his sacrifice he overcame mans basic instinct of rage, chaos and destruction and being a pawn of a weapon.
instead he became the element of evolution.
F to pay respects for Doomguy end boss sacrifice.
9:44 Shadow Zero lol someone was playing some Mana
I like when doomguy moves hes super fast. We ate just so used to running fast!
10:26 there is a second shotgunner in the room, he's visible for one frame (left side)
No, he knows. He said with enough speed, you can hit the button before that other shotgunner kills yous.
@@RecoveryPlayz I think what Teodor is saying is that the video says there is a shotgunner in the room but you can get past him with enough speed, yet the video shows 2 shotgunners in the room. It is difficult to see but if you slow the video down as much as possible you can see a second shotgun guy to the left by the exit button.
Icon of Sin theory: *Exists*
Random SpeedRunners: Challenge Accepted
That strategy at the end is extremely impressive
I would love to see somebody do it while playing, but I know it's impossible
Seriously I have always loved doom runs, they'res just something about them that makes them unique to all others
My jaw fucking dropped when I saw that TAS. I thought he was just gonna get in the hole so he could punch John Romero to death but using the fire from the Archvilles is genius.
Some of these strats are absolutely insane.
Thanks for the great content Karl, in a time where my attention span is at minimal levels, I always watch your videos all the way through.
I watched Decino cover this topic a while back. It's always cool to see someone else's view. Thanks for the continued Doom content, Karl. Keep it up!
i watched zeromaster's video couple weeks ago, figured you would do a video about it some day, but then this video showing up right after i just watched was almost like you were reading my mind. great work as always.
I'm getting right into these challenge vids at the moment, I just finished watching a Donkey Kong Country no enemies death attempt among others. This ones an incredible story, even with me not being a huge fan of DOOM I found it enthralling how far someone would go to figure out new ways of playing their old favorites. It's giving me ideas... Great work mate.
Been enjoying your vids recently, good stuff man
The fact that this is a catagory shows you how good it feels tomove in doom
Imagine the day this strat manages to be pulled off, that's going to be one of the greatest days in the history of gaming.
Yeah see how hard this shit is?
Yet Gandhiji has already done life on this difficulty.
Hail to the King!
I have so much respect for the few speedrunners that are also content creators! You all do so much for the world of speedrunning making it accessable like this!
Excellent video! The trick with the Archviles is just too awesome... pure Doom oddity.
i love this because it doesn't rely on glitches but just massive amounts of trial and error.
great video karl as always!
Now let's see unarmed challenges. Cannot fire at all, not even to alert or distract.
I don’t even play doom but I loved that you included the answer to the title question in the thumbnail and the video was great!
It always blows me away how people are still unlocking these secrets within the game that allow for faster/more optimized runs. Incredible.
Look foward to these vids everyday. I still play original doom on my xbox at least once a week and have actually found a few secrets recently on my own! Best feeling ever
crazy how Doom has lasted this long. I still play Doom 1 and 2.
Zero master is absolutely a legend
4:18 I THOUGHT I got through that gap when I first played it! Thank you!
I really do enjoy how your viewers are the absolute legends
Good stuff as always. Love the attention to detail.
As a person with a casual interest in speedruns, I love your channel. Always interesting!
I like to imagine that every playthrough of every doom game, doom guy experiences and remembers. That's why he's so good. He's had lifetimes of practice. As well as untold number of deaths.
Zero Master is an absolute legend
"Yeah, I'm a pacifist. I'll past my fist...through your face."
The last bit saying impossible to complete icon of sin pacifist hurt my heart.
And the only way to theoretically beat it is to be burned to death.
Yo I feel like I relate too much to this like my brain hurts like it feels like it's burning.
Yet another impeccable KJ vid. And congrats on the family news!
Blindfolded Doom speedruns are the future!!!
Hah, pacifist "challenge". I do the pacifist challenge in every game, bullets and the fall killed them not me, honest! 😇
Awesome content. I find it fascinating how true legends optimize games down to the very understanding of the code. That's dedication.
Most epic videos of all time.
Never stop uploading.
I've had one of the worst things of my life happen to me last night, so waking up, trying to recover this morning and seeing a new video? It makes my shitty life a little bit better while I try and keep my mind off of things and onto things I love.
Thank you, Karl, for making such incredible videos
Hope its not too bad
okay, I'll admit, having the demons kill each other is a pretty hilarious strategy
The fact that Karl does videos on my two favorite speed games (Doom 2 and Goldeneye) makes him my tied for first speedrun content maker. Goose is tied with him
Gotta say, your opening is the best, I feel great every time you say it :D
Dude, I've watched Zero Master for a long time now. He is a *legend*
I remember the day each of these dropped. Zero Master blew my mind with each one. It's crazy how long Underhalls took, but it was gripping. It's insane that it requires a ghost camera to adequately explain it.
The TAS Icon of Sin was a thing of beauty. I don't know how long it took to get that created, but that might be the ZM's best work to date.
I love your doom videos, Im french and I don't speak english very well, but you speak clarely and this is sooo interresting ! subtitle help me a lot ofc. Thanks for this video ! :)
Ah, Underhalls. The level you get the super shotgun for the first time. And you mean to tell me people had a hard time doing a pacifist run? I submit that the real reason for this is that they couldn't resist blasting zombies with the best fps shotgun ever made, the SSG.
i wonder how stunned the game developers are now
11:31 I've seen that part before. Man that's epic! Coolest way ever to finish the game in :-)
I was 3 when I first played this, it scared the living shit outta me, I can still feel a little fear from back then inside me now while watching it
I love your Doom videos, m8! Keep em comming
tool assisted accomplishments normally feel a little irksome but the exact mechanism that the level is conquered, where a swarm of the most powerful and hated monster in the game accidentally destroys the overlord monster by way of an incredible leap-death combination - is 100% excellence, for the first time ever Tool assist has given me rightful grins.
Happy new year!! hope 2021 is a good year
Another amazing video man! Loved it! Keep up the great work :D
your videos are so entertaining, love watching them
I've never been this early before. I just want to hear...
*Hello you absolute legends!*
:')
We may be legends, Zero Master is pure GOD of DOOM
Another great video. Narration and presentation on POINT, and very interesting subject matter. Love it
With Karl and Decino I feel like I know everything there is to know about Doom and yet there's still more being discovered today.