The Truth about the Panasonic S5 II X - Don't kid yourself...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 พ.ค. 2023
- In this video I discuss the hype around the Panasonic S5IIX and how it is still not comparable to cameras like the Sony FX3 and a7SIII.
Panasonic s5IIX ROLLING SHUTTER and CROPPED 4k60 is the downfall.
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This video is 💯 true as I am a previous Sony user who switched to the S5ii and then later regretted the move and got back to Sony eventually, allow me to explain: you would think that with such a great internal fan, the S5ii would at least shoot 4k 60p non-cropped, nope! Then let this sink in for a second, shooting 120fps in 1080 doesn’t even have phase-detect autofocus, what!!!! So the best stabe in the business and all that other stuff won’t save Panasonic. It’s crazy when someone comes up and says “oh my s5ii is a video-first hybrid camera!” Pathetic really imo
Thank you for this award-winning comment. You explained it better than me in a short comment compared to my 15 minute video lol. You didn't even have to mention rolling shutter.
🤝💯
Was recently looking for a camera, choice came down between 2 full and 2 crop. It was Fuji X-S20/Sony A670p and Canon R6 MkII/Lumix S5II. Prices were all pretty similar, especially within the same class.
The Fuji seemed the best value for only $1,700 with an 18-55m lens, but needed it soonish and couldn't find in stock. The A6700 was $1,800 with the 18-135mm lens, and easy to find.
The S5II was $2,100 with the 20-60mm lens. It's actually on sale ATM, with good availability. The R6 is also on sale, and is marked down the most but still costs the most. It's $2,400 with the 24-105mm lens. I liked both of these, but wasn't sure on spending close to $2,500. I wanted to stay under $2,000, and I'm not a super high end professional or anytbing.
Ended up ordering the A6700/18-135mm, and spending $1,861 total, out the door. Hoping I made the right choice. I was actually considering returning for the Lumix. Seemed too expensive, but I guess returning the Sony and just paying the comparatively small difference doesn't seem so bad? And then I think, "Well, for just a tiny bit more, there's the R6..."
I just feel like if you're already wasting $2k on a camera, I guess it makes sense to maybe spend a tiny bit extra to get something that would better serve for longer, but I'm not sure I NEED it, or if either one would genuinely seem any noticably better than the A6700...
@@brennanIX u made a good choice
Damn thanks for this input. I'm a Sony APSC shooter and the S5 II has been one of those I've been looking at as a potential upgrade. I think the most important thing to consider with all of these cameras is what features are important to you. Like 6k open gate does nothing for me honestly but I love the video focused features like waveform and shutter angle on the S5 II and the ability to record braw ext. is fantastic as I'm a Resolve user and it doesn't handle ProRes.
However i use 120p on my Sony cameras a lot, especially for sports. So to see that something like the FX30 does 4k 120 while the S5 II has crap focus in HD with no 4k 120 just blows my mind. It all comes down to what you need. For a full frame camera for $1800 the S5 II is great value for money.
@@hotfootrabbit I tried so hard to keep the s5ii but believe me, even the sony a6700 is a better camera! There are a lot of things reviewers don’t talk about. The low light performance is horrible.. I truly believe that Panasonic has no idea what they are doing! I think by focusing on a good stabe, they sacrificed A LOT on image quality, dynamic range, color science and high frame rates with autofocus. If you can afford it, I really recommend the A7IV. It’s probably the best hybrid money can buy. Think of it this way, not a lot of people in the world know more about cameras than Gerald Undone. And he thinks the A7IV is the best camera money can buy, he uses it for his videos I believe. I hope this helps a little.
According to the reviews the Lumix s5iix is made of magnesium alloy and is weather sealed to prevent moisture and dust, does 6k open gate, does not overhating, king stabilizer, rolling shutter better than a74, full frame, plus prores? this for $2197.00 dollars? Damn, I completely understand why a group prefers her, that's not wrong.
NOW days you can get the S5iix around $1700, i got mine at that price!! is a beast!!
The LUMIX has bad moire
I'm using my OG S5.
The new one is not worth the upgrade.
No 4K 120P / FHD 300P
The G9 II can do those things internally.
@@SpaceyZeewait. My s5 can do 4k 120? Can it do that 10bit 422
@@ceelothatmane9421 Nah lol I have the original S5 can only do 4K 60 with a crop
Of course a Sony shooter would say this.
Amazing how there's not actual material in the video...share some data..share actual useful tips rather than just ranting standing in a park. This is content ? 🤣🤣 seriously dude!
Right?! An extra $2000 to get all of its features. 😂😂😂 try $180 for a cage and a 1tb SSD lol! Stupid 256gb memory card for the Sony cost more than that. Plus I can edit right off it.
Sony’s color science sucks. Rolling shutter always comes up. Who is swinging their camera all over the place? I need to know who does that?
Look I own both the FX30 and S5iix and each has served a purpose. (Never been a fanboy as I shoot photos with Fuji.) So no bias here. After using both, Sony will remain the king of autofocus. No denying that.
But there’s also no denying Sony’s colors (that green tint all over your face) particularly skin tones are washed and gross looking.
If someone wants to switch why wouldn’t they lol. Better colors, many features Sony doesn’t offer (shutter angle, exposure tools, open gate) , the ability to take pictures (fx line are not made for this) with Sony you need a second body for real photography tools 😂 I mean you sound mad that someone would choose to leave a system for something that suits them better. Plus Panasonic full frame vs Sony APSC is barely a $400 difference. FX3 ($4,000) is twice the price of the Panasonic with 1/2 the features and tools, don’t forget.
You should be happy Sony is being challenged so maybe the next time they release a “cinema” line of bodies it will actually include Cinema Tools like Panasonic did. Competition is good for our business. Don’t hate cuz people are abandoning ship for something that has way more to offer. (For them)
And the whole $3000 for a rig 😂😂 cage and external drive cost me $225 bro.
Let people use what works for them, don’t discourage everyone from switching because you’re happy with Sony. Also, you made this click bait so you knew this was going to happen 😂😂😂
Yeah autofocus never mattered to me. I’m stuck to Panasonic bc of the color science. It’s the closest to Arri of any line of cameras in the prosumer market
Yeah I don’t get it why this guy sounds mad about having options
Hey I'm both a photographer and a videographer and I looking forward to buy the lumix s5 II would it provide enough photography features because I don't see anyone talking about them
@@ArijeetGupta. great photography camera. What features specifically are you looking for? It’s a photo first camera with cinema level capabilities.
@@ceelothatmane9421what about video? I plan on shooting a lot of gym content.
In my debate, I want to highlight the advantages of the S5MIIX camera. I will give you that global shutter statement but that’s where it starts and finishes. (Can be fixed in post though) Everything else ehhh. There are way too many noteworthy features worth considering. The S5MIIX offers codecs that are easier to grade and handle on the computer internally and externally compared to any Sony camera. Rigging if that is what you call it is simple, as it involves attaching an affordable 4TB SSD to the cage. As an owner of the S1H, S5, and GH6, I find the S5MIIX to be a suitable option for run-and-gun shooting. You can get a 4TB SSD for under $200 to $250, which would provide an extensive recording time with ProResHQ, taking approximately 24 hours to fill. Additionally, the camera offers three crop modes expanding 1 lens to 3 lens from full-frame to Super35 and pixel by pixel. The S5 has features that have been appreciated by my Sony counterpart who uses the A7SIII, particularly the features and photo flexibility of the S5. The only drawback being the autofocus AT THAT TIME. Also contrary to common belief, the price of the S5MIIX setup would not be $3,000 lol. Considering the cage, SSD holder, the additional cost are around $150 at most! Many users opt for a cage to protect their cameras and allow for flexible rigging we do not count media IN THE PRICE GOOD TRY THOUGH lol. The money saved by choosing the S5MIIX instead of the A7SIII could be utilized for other purposes, such as investing in one or two zoom lenses to enable dual IBIS or acquiring additional gear. The S5MIIX also provides superior anamorphic options, a brighter and more usable screen, a wide range of shortcut options, and the ability to stream. Contrary to the A7SIII, the S5MIIX's screen is viewable even in bright conditions, not having to RIG UP A MONITOR LIKE THE A7SIII. I AM SURE ARE AWARE OF THAT PROBLEM YOU PROBABLY CANT SEE THAT SCREEN IN THE RECORDING NOW. A pretty bright day. S5MIIX offers Open Gate, better shortcuts and so much more. Drawing from my personal experience with Lumix cameras and the A7SIII, I confidently express my opinion based on honesty. While the S5MIIX competes with the A7SIII it is really meant to rival and the A74. Its primary focus lies in hybrid work. If we consider the S2H, it would likely outperform the A7SIII by a long shot IT WILL AT LEAST HAVE FEATURES SIMILAR TO THE GH6 at a full frame scale. It's important to remember that the S1H was the first camera in this new wave of devices, the S1H, earned recognition as the first hybrid Netflix-approved camera. Unfortunately, due to the pandemic, it didn't receive the attention it deserved allowing the A7SIII to shine first. The S5MIIX represents Lumix's official mid-wave of devices, typically serving as the transition to the next generation of their new devices. So the camera you should be comparing is the S2H. Even though this mid wave device ended up as your rival lol. This is my perspective, presented in a healthy debate, and I hope it provides valuable insight. All love.
I read to " (can be fixed in post though)"
@@nVuFilms Not sure if you were saying you read my dissertation or all of what I said was read from online. If the first 1 I appreciate you reading the essay. If 2 I have hands on experience with the S1H, S5 and A7SIII for a very long time. Also yeahhhh brother you can fix rolling shutter in programs like Final Cut. Kinda like using Sonys gyro Stabilization in a way. Probably wont work for something super crazy but yeah it can be fixed. Also one more thing the variable frame rates on the S5MIIX!!!! Amazing it really makes you feel like you are using a paint brush with those cameras you can truly dial in specifics.
Great balance to a lopsided review.
@@panasonicism thank you 🙏
the s52x can take a 4tb ssd? My GH6 only accepts a 2tb SSD.
Typical Sony fanboy
There is a reason why Sony is the best
@@altynnazaryeah because they spend millions on marketing and giving out their cameras to these "influencers" who aren't even in the field, only on youtube.
@@altynnazardepends on what you’re doing… if you’re shooting video - maybe… if you want to make movies… probably not
@@altynnazarthere is no “best”.
@@Lu-sj6niall the companies do that and yeah I agree it’s open corruption.
You didn’t actually say the FX3 doesn’t have rolling shutter right? What a terrible take.
6k open gate is actually a life changing feature for content creators. Enjoy spending $4k for a camera that overheats after 30 minutes.
I commented before even seeing the skit at the end. Holy shit, you are SUCH a hater. I’m inspired. Going to make a video about Sony fanboys like you soon 🙏
Fx3 Practically doesnt have rolling shutter. It's coming knowledge
U actually commented before even actually watching and listening to anything I said in the video
And.. I'll wait
Also. You are dumb. Fx3 does not overheat. Research before you say random alternative facts
@@nVuFilms the EV-1 which you recommend at the end overheats in 30 minutes. My FX30 has way worse rolling shutter than my S5II. Your video was shitty enough that I could comment before finishing it.
You should be ashamed of this video, I’m excited to tear it and all you Sony fanboys to pieces. Y’all need a wake up call.
@@t3dotgg
Dude. Are you blind or deaf?
I never said FX30 doesn't have rolling shutter.
I said FX3 doesn't have rolling shutter. Two DIFFERENT cameras.
Sony zv-e1 also films over 1 hour no problem without over heating. I have done this outside in 88 degree heat. Until you have actually owned a zv-e1 you can't say "it overheats in 30 mins. MOST people who has tested the zv-e1 has not gotten it to overheat in normal use situations.
You basically got triggered by the thumbnail and commented without even watching the video. You seem to have a good following on TH-cam and you should know better as a TH-cam creator yourself when people comment without actually watching the video it is completely out of context.
If you watched the video you would know that I think the S5IIX is a good camera and this video was MY RESPONSE to people commenting on my zv-e1 reviews telling me to buy an S5IIX instead and that is it better than the Sony FX3.
Get your facts straight before commenting.
You mention earlier "enjoy spending $4k on a camera that overheats in 30mins" I assume here you mean the fx3 because it is $3800... The FX3 records endlessly. It has a massive built in fan with vents...
Fx30 is $1800 and Zv-e1 is $2,200.
Fx30 doesn't overheat. It definitely has rolling shutter. (I never said it didn't)
Fx3 and Zv-e1 has practically no rolling shutter. (They have the same Sensor)
So what camera spec are you actually arguing with me about? 🤷♂️
I think most people just need to recognize that every camera has drawbacks and upsides. Figure out what you need, make a list of cameras that suit your actual needs, and go from there. SSD recording is great, but I take about an hour of video per 1000 photos I take, so I didn’t feel like rigging out an S5IIX was going to be worth it. I picked up an S5II as a hybrid and it’s done well on my shoots so far, I love handling it, I never leave my house without it.
I could have probably done everything I’ve done with it so far using a Sony A7IV. People need to chill. It’s all well and good that you can do 17k ultra phuc gate with Apple ProRes BRAW 16Gb/s write speed, but I’m a portrait guy, not making documentaries for Netflix. And neither are 99% of people boasting about these cameras.
Figure out what you need, dial in a budget, make a list of cameras that have those things, buy one and go take pictures and video.
Bro with that said... Sony Fx3 to film The Creator...
Makes sense, Can't believe we still have these useless fanboys debates in 2023!!! Instead of making manufacturers accountable they do what they do best lol..
Preach 👏🏾
@@crooklynx972 what they do best is incremental changes and reheating old components while driving sales by inciting fanboy battles LoL
@@LiveMyJourneyTom Reheating - now that's a good'n!!!
Hi, question: Can you hear the fan noise from the camera when you use a shotgun mic?
An interesting perspective. I think your objectivity is being influenced by your clear passion for Sony. It's almost as if you are somehow offended by the (mostly) positive reaction to the S5II and S5IIX. As many have already commented - the choice of camera really comes down to horses for courses. I have used both the S5IIX and in the past the A7SIII. Both have strengths and weaknesses - on balance, today, I would go for the Panny. The A7SIII is older technology, but still holds up agains many newer marques. The S5IIX strikes a great balance between cost and features in my opinion. The key point is that the camera is a means to an end. The user determines the outcome.
I 100% agree with this. The tone of this video is a bit bizarre. Like someone in his family died by the release of the X lol. But he's a good dude so im sure its just something off vibe wise.
You guys are interesting.
I don't know how many videos before this where I mentioned the S5IIX is fantastic.
Even at the end of this video I mentioned AGAIN, that the S5IIX is fantastic.
Am I triggered ? Yes. Absolutely. Because I get comments on videos talking about the ZVE1 where dudes are telling me S5IIX is better, I should get that instead... S5IIX is better than A7SIII etc for only $2,200. . . (Which I explain in this video why it is BS).
Wow, you are sensitive... You have acknowledged the positives of the S5IIX - that is OK and does you credit. The point was that you're emotion around being a passionate Sony user makes your argument anything but neutral. It's easier - and less likely to attract criticism - simply to say something like '..on balance the Sony works for me' without devaluing your argument with irrational emotion. Exhale and enjoy your day.
@@nVuFilms If you are going to continue making videos on TH-cam, you need to learn how to have a thicker skin. ALL creators get criticized in the comments section. Most creators just ignore the negative comments and learn from it. A lot of them do not go and argue with the commenters, much less, create a video about them. This is my first time ever watching you and my first thought after watching this video was, "This dude sounds like a whiny little snowflake"... and I LOVE Sony. Very bad first impression. Just an advice.
@@joer8386 this is the first time I've ever seen you comment and my first impression is you must be a lovely person hang out with and throw back a few beers
I have the S52 and think it's great but these are some interesting points. Rolling shutter is an issue that needs to be talked about more. The problem I find is moving to another camera to fix one issue you end up landing on other issues and round it goes...
What’s wrong with rolling shutter? I never understood why ppl make a big deal about it. Viewers don’t even notice it
@@ceelothatmane9421 Skewed, warped distortion of fast moving objects, wobbly jelly/jello appearance to footage, flash artifacts...It varies in strength depending on what you are shooting and how you are shooting it and the readout speed of the sensor, the S5 line are particularly bad and much worse in open gate. Overall it immediately says 'cheap and amateur'. Viewers do notice, and comment, they may not know why it's happening but they know something is wrong because it doesn't look like what they see for instance from feature films, and the people that don't discern exactly what it is I believe subconsciously get a sense of low budget, an amateur cheapness, no matter how good everything else may be.
Rarely, if ever, you'll see rolling shutter effects in feature films, but often in TH-cam videos. Like many other things such as low dynamic range, clinical looking overly sharp 'digital' footage, high frame rates etc, it is another aspect that makes the end result feel more digital compared to 'cinematic' or 'filmic,' more amateur compared to professional.
@@ceelothatmane9421 That's exactly right. When you've got to explain in detail what the problem actually is, rather than it being "self evident", then it's not really a problem.
I honestly think it's an unfair comparison. We are talking about the difference between a $2,200 camera and a $3,600 camera. The fair comparison is the Sony A7iv which has the same or slightly worse rolling shutter and also crops at 4k/60. Yeah, Sony has a strong ecosystem and better autofocus, but I find myself using the video features in the Lumix cameras daily for commercial projects.
Since the launch of A7iii and the introduction of third-party zooms like Tamron 28-75, Sony has gradually become a reliable brand for working professionals in both stills and video. However, it has also become less fun to use (e.g. mediocre screen and IBIS), less value-friendly (e.g. a7IV compared to a7III, expensive flagship A1 without major firmware updates, fewer professional video tools), and less well-rounded (more specialized product line).
yea my A7Siii has now the second time destroyed a shoot because of an issue with the mic port which is very disappointing
Hey Vu, nice vid you made with Se. Was a lot of work! Great cameo! 😂
Let me show you!! Dude really love your content. Always bringing the truth!
Cant imagine my personality being completely based around a camera brand
No camera is perfect.
Sony's best features are :
1- World's best auto-focus ( Panasonic finally has decent auto-focus, and will probably get better over the next 2 years )
2- Higher frame rates than Panasonic cameras ( Panasonic S5 II in APS-C format gives you 4K 60p with as much detail as the Full Frame format, with good rolling-shutter, the draw-back is you need wider lenses for the APS-C format and you need to shoot 1 F-stop faster to get the same DOF as a FF shoot )
3- World's best low-light. ( Panasonic S5 II is good, but still 1-2 stops behind Sony )
Panasonic's best features are :
1- World's best IBIS stabilization. You can shoot many handheld shots with motion, especially if your lens is optically stabilized. This is one of my favorite things about Panasonic cameras.
2- Shoots Pro Res RAW and Black-magic RAW with an external recorder.
3- Shoots non-RAW formats up to 1.9 Gbit/sec using a USB SSD drive. ( 2 TB drive costs $120 US at B&H Photo )
4- Shoots 5.9 K and 6 K formats.
5- Shoots OPEN GATE full sensor format. Crop in post to the format you want to deliver in
6- Can set your shutter speed in degree angle
I expect the Panasonic S5 II cameras will put pressure on Canon/Nikon/Sony to match some of Panasonic's features.
And I expect Panasonic will improve high-frame rates and rolling shutter speed, and bring their autofocus closer to Sony's performance. ( I'm also curious to see if Panasonic's Cine cameras finally get a Full Frame camera )
I mean, I have an a7s3 and a panasonic s1 and I think they're both great for different things. I shoot them together for multicam and match easily, one has incredible autofocus and the other can shoot 3:2 open gate in 6k. What's not to like lol. I am super pissed at sony though, they're pretty anti consumer with their firmware approach and I think that fuels people wanting to hype a camera like the S5IIx. My S1 got updated continuously for 4 years, my a7s3 doesn't even match the fx3. If i was going to make a new purchase, I know which system would feel like a safer investment
I ordered one - so that I can claim that I’m not biased when I talk about loving my Sony cameras. And the views. And ad revenue. And because I love Panasonic too. And because I’m a douche bag
😂
Well you are a TH-camr so you have to buy cameras for no reason
@@nVuFilms literally NO reason.
Damn im new to the camera drama. Didnt know there were so mucn lore about it until the S9 influencers started talking about panny "killing" my boy x100vi which is a magical unicorn at this point 😅
I don't see building a rig as a problem!
You can do it in parts first the case and the external battery holder,
The top handle and a support for your future monitor.
Later you treat yourself with a good monitor.
The most important thing is no overheating and the possibilities in the future!
Great video, I agree. I use the Panasonic GH5s and I don't really need the photography aspect of a camera so much, or the image stabilization, so I went with the GH5s. I get a lot of flack over my camera choice somtimes, but it has what I need, so whatever. I really like the Sony a7iv for photo's though. And it's a great system in general. I also woiuld love to try out the Panasonic S5II or S5IIX. I love Panasonics cameras so much, but I think it's mainly their great user interface and menu's that I like to be honest.
Dude the gh5s is a great camera. I refuse to sell mine. Paired with the small m43 primes (laowa 7.5 f2, Leica 15mm f1.7, olympus 25 or 45mm 1.8) , the quality you get for the weight is unbeatable to this day.
Solid information/video. Thank you. As you said, you're a Sony fanboy, but video still felt pretty unbiased, in my opinion. Question... I'm currently in the market for a new camera, but limited budget. I live in Texas, so constantly outside in hot weather, sometimes over 100º. Do you ever see issues with Sony cameras overheating? One reason I've considered the S5iix was for the built in cooling system, vs Sony cameras like the A7iv & A7siii. Any input would be greatly welcome. Peace.
Hey thanks for having an open mind.
I've never had issue with overheating. A7SIII has an incredible passive cooling system. But it is pricey. If you know for a fact
you are filming constant for over 45mins in direct sun often 90+ degrees... and your budget is like $2000, can't go wrong with Panasonic
Top Notch Content Upload Vu. My a7iv is still years from being replaced by any current or upcoming camera releases. Cleanest 4K image in the hybrid market imo. Still considering a7siii for that evf and 4k120
what causes the lumix to have such bad rolling shutter compared to the sonys, is the rate that the sensor scans not dictated by your shutter speed, what's different on the fx3 then the lumix that causes this?
Only deep throating im seeing is you giving sony the sloppy toppy!!! i hope sony is cutting you a check for this video! every camera has it drawbacks. Purchase what ever brand that you like and make it work. you can always find someone thats bias to a brand. EVERY BRAND HAS ITS GOOD its BAD & its terrible. Just make sure your color grade isnt yellow in the skintones like you have Jaundice!! LIKE THIS VIDEO. DO NOT LISTEN TO ANYONE THAT IS A FAN BOY OF ANY BRAND WHEN YOUR MAKING A PURCHASE, RENT THE CAMERA AND SEE IF ITS FOR YOU.
Do not listen to anyone who comments an opinion on a filmmaking TH-cam channel that has not even one video to show.
@@nVuFilms that doesn’t change that nasty skin tone my guy 🤣🤣🤣 umm spend more time color grading and less time hating 😉
Lots of truth! Good stuff like always!
From a Sony shooter (a6300) I preordered a S5iix. Hoping I can grow with the camera and plan on rigging it. I understand it’s limitations, and I do not put it above or near an A7Siii. For me it’s exciting Panasonic stepped to the plate, not taking anything from the Sony route. I run and gun without time for a gimbal. IBIS is huge for me. Hoping to “connect”with it and it can duplicate or be better than the A6300 with autofocus. Hoping for lowlight performance as 90% of my shooting is. Only reason I steered from FX30. Love your content 💪🏼
As someone who owns the GH3 and GH5, I loved your ending to this video lmao! THe spec sheet had me dying. I found your channel through the Tiffen black mist review video you had done. I was rethinking my 1/8 purchase but your perception on 1/8 vs 1/4 made me think otherwise. Keep doing your thing brotha! Don't let the haters hate just do you!
The ending had me dying bro!!! It’s so Viet of you to do that! 😂😂😂
If you really need globalshutter-like pans… simply shoot vertically for those shots, then reframe/crop to 16:9. With the S5II X, you can shoot up to 5952x3968 resolution, so you could still get a full 4K UHD resolution. Even if it’s 4.2.0 200mbps, it will do just fine for those kind of shots. If you absolutely want 4.2.2 ALL-I/ProRes.. you can shoot in 4K and still get over 2K of resolution. This is by far the best solution to solve rollingshutter issues when it matters.. but most people don’t even realize it. Yes, the Sony a7SIII/FX3 have by far the best rolling shutter value, but I would definitely not make my choice based on that. Half price and better IBIS is more appealing to me..
People need to realize that witz really important rolling shutter shots you can just turn on apsc mode. It is a huge reduction
@@NMEdiary It helps indeed (becoming around 14 ms), but if you need to do fast pans with no rolling shutter effect whatsoever, flipping the camera vertically is the best way to go. Although, if there’s some vertical movements in the shots (i.g. People jumping, or something falling on the ground or whatever), you may still get a slant in the other way. But for something like a moving train, or shooting the exterior of a moving car… it’s a game changer!
@@davidmultimedia2024 so.... you film video in portrait mode then crop a 16;9 square out of the middle? You're throwing out a lot of real estate that way. But it's still pretty similar to an APSC crop no? I guess that's one way to do it.
@@Danobot11 Obviously, this is just for shots that would show too much slant.. you can still get 4K if you shoot in 5.9K. I’m not suggesting you don’t use the extra 2K anymore. But yes, it’s similar to apsc crop mode in terms of resolution. Give it a shot and you’ll see. In a scene, it usually goes so fast that you won’t ever notice the difference in between clips… but you would have noticed the 22ms rolling shutter!
I've been shopping for a camera the past few months (jumping from Fuji) for my video content and I finally pulled the trigger on an open box Panasonic S5II. I was on the fence for the longest time between the S5II and the FX30/FX3 the latter just a little too much outside my budget. I will say, if I was taking video production more seriously I'd be inclined to go for the FX3.
Currently shooting with the Komodo and the XH2s and the only thing holding me back from the FX3 is the lack of 4:3 or open gate modes. I shoot a lot of anamorphic with 1.75x to 2x and the 16:9 / 17:9 on the FX3 isn’t ideal. I wish Sony would add that but I’ve heard v3 of the firmware is most likely the last the FX3 will see so I’m not to optimistic about additional aspect ratios being added in the future.
The ending 😂
But yeah, couldn't agree more. Super happy with my A7SIII since I got it in 2020.
Whys no one doing videos on the MP4?
Phuc needs the panny
Fx30 seems to have the same rolling shutter, does it bother you?
It has the same amount as the s5xii. Most of the time no. But it is also mainly my b-c cam as a tripod angle for weddings. Or angle cam for interviews. I don't use it for Broll.(doesn't mean I can't)
At the end of the day you have to know the cameras limitations and use it with that in mind
I love the look of S5iiX, I'm currently using a GH6. I'd buy the S5, but I simply can't buy a camera without the tilting/flipping screen anymore, they're so essential!
What ? The S5 tilts and flips !
@@samiiromaar He must mean the S1 series.
how is the Sony vs Lumix for overheating in sunny outdoor conditions?
Great.
As someone who was dissatisfied with the A7sIII’s image after owning one and was dissatisfied with the clunkiness of the S5 after owning one, I’m curious about the S5 II X, but wary. I’ll rent one first and keep using P4k’s, which outperform both cameras for most video situations at $750 USD used.
Not sure why you’re comparing it to those cameras. Those cameras are way more expensive. You should be comparing it to the ZV-E1 which are the same price and came out this year. You do that at the end of the video of the the video and the other guy makes a lot of good points. And the short comings of the ZV-E1 are huge. Mainly taking stills and overheating. A camera that doesn’t overheat is way more important than 4K 120p. And less rolling shutter doesn’t matter when you have to wait for your camera to cool down to shoot more.
The point was panty fanbois started it, and I'm telling them to stop
OMG! The ending characters have me dying laughing 😂 thanks for the laugh. And thanks for your perspective on switching up and upgrading and all that stuff. Greatly appreciated.
Everything depends on individual needs; everyone has their own perspective.
I am fairly certain all you need to get all the benefits from an S5iix is a ssd. You don't actually need the external monitor. I think overall the stabilisation, colour and multitude of extras put it ahead in most areas to the Sony in the similar price point. Sony definitely has superior AF and the A7R5 is an awesome piece of kit which l am actually considering, but it is double the price. Lumix gives more bang for your buck than any camera out there.
Actually, many videos show that the S5iiX AF does really well and, in some instances, better than the Sony.
He is talking about the 6k raw file which requires an external recorder. Other than that I believe that the ssd recording is a benefit since I can directly backup and not have to like backup my card and then my hard drive.
you need a monitor to shoot raw.
Emount FTW. Ive been using sony since 2013 since the nex line up days and I still have emount lenses that I use with my new alpha and cinema line.
First time seeing your videos, but am glad I did. Trying to move into non-iPhone videos and was looking at the S5 and S5II but I am filming sports and dances from close up and the rolling shutter can be a big issue.
Yup 👍
Actually in crop mode it's not as bad. Shooting super 35 mode
@@nVuFilms Thank you for your response. Do you think the 4k60 is worth it compared to A7 VI or the a6700(which is cropped anyway)? They are about the budget I could work with at most.
Very good and honest analysis. It's so hard to choose these days with all the features. It's good to slow down and be realistic and your comments are welcome.Thanks.
In a way the telephoto rolling shutter us somewhat alleviated by shooting in apsc crop. As much as I liked shooting with my S5 and appreciated additional tools and shutter angle I don't like v-log and much prefer Slog3 😬
SLOG3 is the best of you know what know what you are doing.
Have you tried one of the custom V-Log LUTs ? I quickly became a fan of V-Log ( which has almost the same curve as ARRI Log C ) when using it with custom V-Log LUTs. My favorite LUT is the Leeming LUT Pro, which has custom Log LUTs for Canon / Fuji / Nikon / Panasonic / Sony / Blackmagic / DJI Drones.
@@SewTubular i sure did. I was exposing to the right as I normally do but working with Leeming out for the S5 was a particular pain in the butt. I found few different luts that worked better for me but still I'm far happier with the colours and was of grading of Slog3 🤷🏼♂️
@@nVuFilmsso there are a lot of users that have also used s log 3 that are saying V log is better and much easier to correct than the slog 3 and then you come to say that s log 3 is the best.😂😂😂
I imaging Phuc will be switching again... this time to Fujifilm X-S20, complete with its 6.2K open-gate and internal 10-bit F-Log2 at a price of $1299.95 body-only ($1,399.95 with the 15-45 kit lens).
Lol
You're so right... this video didn't need to be made. The lunch that the s5ii eats is in fact the a7iv's for $500 cheaper, that was Panasonic's intention. Sony shooter FWIW
Right. But people forget the a7IV is better for photography. Def worth $300 more for the photo abilities alone. People don't see that. The S5IIX is actually only better than a7IV for video based on codecs, not hardware or sensor tech.
@@nVuFilms I mostly agree but IBIS, exposure tools, anamorphic support, overheating, open gate are all things I’d rather have in my a7iv over the additional megapixels
@@nVuFilms What happens when that sony starts overheating while filming?
If you can't get a good image out of a camera released the last 4 years, the camera is not the problem.
The ending was hilarious!😂
S5IIX is A7IV killer tops. Got both, both got cons and pros ...
Photos too?!
@@-MrEVIL- Actually I use A7IV mostly for photos and web calls :D. S5IIX is better for video for sure .. taken with it 2 photos so far cause have 2 native L mount lenses and 2 adopted EF via MC21 :D
I'd say A7IV is better for photos due to better AF and 33Mpix. Although S5IIX body seems to be more ergonomic.
@@JoATTech i personally feel s5iix and r6ii are video first photo second hybrids while a7iv is balanced between both
Im a photo first video second guy so no choice other than a7iv ;-; (in ff atleast)
@@-MrEVIL- Not sure about R6II, I know some people who use it exclusively for photos and they are very happy.
For me Canon glass is to expensive, I got plenty of alternatives for Sony E mount in terms of lenses.
So I agree if we talking budget (entry FF) models I vote for A7IV too.
@@JoATTech r6ii not bad for photos, just that its More better for video focused people
While a7iv is perfectly balanced, I'm buying one myself actually, unless a7v comes out this year
I picked up a BS1H and I love it but the rolling shutter is nuts when shooting 6K Open Gate. I think that if I were to go for a more ergonomic/smaller package I’d have to go with the FX3/30.
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what lens are you using here mR?
24 gm
@@nVuFilms thanks, really nice. I thought it was the samyang haha.
thanks that was actually very helpful! As much as I love Lumix, these things bother me and limit me in my work. also nobody mentioned the effect of having no OLPF.
Thanks for appreciating it. Meanwhile people think I'm trolling lol
@@nVuFilms lol. people aren't used to non conformed opinions...
This is the second video I have come across from this creator, the other being his video on the insta360 GO 3. Dude seems to have a lot of opinions about gear he has never laid hands on lol. On rolling shutter, the s5ii reads at 21.5ms- meaning its rolling shutter is ok, but not great. Middle of the road. To your point, worse than the a7siii and fx3 at around 9ms and the a6700 at 15.9ms, but better than the a7 IV at 29.9ms, and far better than the a6300 at 34ms. Still plenty fast to film a 5 year old running around, as you use here as your example, and $1500 (at very least) cheaper than the a7sii or fx3. For the crop in higher frame rates, Panasonic is part of the l-mount alliance, and sigma makes both a 16mm 1.4 and 10-18mm 2.8 lens in the aps-c format.
I get that everybody wants to think that they have the "best" gear, but I don't understand how you can judge these things without having used them. I shoot both canon and Panasonic full frame mirrorless, and they both have their advantages and disadvantages. I have not used Sony cameras enough to have an opinion on them, but I am positive that they do as well.
Another way to avoid such "annoying" comments is not using clickbait titles for your videos. You can't have it both ways- trying to draw people into your videos with clickbait (and making revenue off them), but also not wanting them to have an opinion on what you are talking about. That makes no sense.
Well said, I have to agree with you.
Calling other camera owners douchebags is very low bro. Lower than the time you have before your Sony overheats. Speaking as a Nikon owner.
So I guess... Low to you is never since I've never had a Sony camera overheat since an a6300.
Also... Seems like you and a lot of commenters just trying to look for reasons to get triggered.
There are dbags in every walk of life. To you, I may be a d-bag, and if that is how you feel, fine. But When I say Panasonic d-bag, I don't mean all Panasonic shooters...
Just the ones that comment on my review video for Sony zv-e1... Telling me to buy an S5XII instead because it is a $2,200 Arri Alexa...
BTW. Just a side fact about myself... I used to own a 2000 Subaru Impreza 2.5RS coupe. Spent two months swapping a USDM 03 WRX motor and transmission in it. Did the wiring and everything. . . Thought you would appreciate that tidbit.
I agree. Rolling shutter is the one thing every channel ignores on most cameras.
More like it's overstated on every channel. Every channel slams Sony rolling shutter even though it has been improved. The FX30 has better rs than the Fuji X-T4 but nobody bashed Fuji. The A7iv is ok. It's there but not a dealbreaker.
Having done QC for broadcast for the last few years, I've seen maybe 1 whip pan. People need to learn to not whip cameras around. Get the creative direction right instead of asking for a camera that fixes their mistakes. For sports/wildlife it's understandable, but the majority of everyone else doing travel/wedding/events... it's a useless consideration.
@@professionalpotato4764 Thanks mate, your words of wisdom ring true.
I can't think of a single instance of when I've needed to throw the camera around quick enough for rolling shutter to be an issue.
Fx3 (=4.682 euros) A7siii (=3.999 euros) S5iix (=2.499,00 €).
In order for the Fx3 to be functional, an external monitor MUST BE purchased. It is impossible to use the screen, especially in a bright environment (Sony is "famous" for the poor quality screens they use in all their cameras).
A7siii is probably "past" for Sony.
So what exactly are you comparing?
The most obvious comparison would be with the A7Iv (=€2,820.00). And that's where Sony loses on every level.
But even if you consider the price differences, probably choosing the s5iix is a one-way solution...
And don't forget the firmware policies from Sony...
Lol. No.
I never use an external monitor.
If Panasonic has a Camera Camp, I’m switching 😂😂😂
Lolol
You buy the rigg also for the Sony or not
i just bought a camera seriously for first time haha, literally the first thing i got from initial research was basically ANY (remotely) pro camera set up is gona have a cage ffs 😂
I enjoyed this video. Until recently, I was only looking at Sony. I thought the a6700 would be it, but I would like the option to shoot longer shots (interviews / events ) without overheating. The Sony FX30 looks great, but shooting video is not my job. Perhaps a hybrid would be better for me. The Panasonic S5ii price and specs sure look nice.
The lenses seem heavy and expensive, though. I'm not sure I'm ready for that.
@@chrisquigley It depends on the lens, there are Sony lenses equally as heavy as any l-mount equivalent.
Feel you. Getting tired af about all the hype as well. But not just for the lumix, but for everything! You hit the nail on the head. If you have anything along these lines then there's no real reason to be switching. The tech and quality is all very close. Based on my personal and subjective opinion, most of the TH-camrs who are doing the over-hyping, aren't even putting out great looking work with the very camera they are hyping. In the very video they made hyping it.
Yet I see dope creatives making amazing shit with an iPhone or an old sony a6000, canon t5, or something like that.
Friends it's not the camera, it's the person using it! Spend your money on improving YOU and your skills not switching cameras unnecessarily. By focusing on specs and hyped new releases, people are missing the point of what a camera is for. To create art and tell stories.
Learn from my mistakes, I'm invested in too many camera systems and It's become a pain.
As a sony 4-year a7siii user, I still love it and use almost daily (sony a6500 was my first). But have since added BMPCC 6K PRO, URSA Mini Pro G2, Fuji GFX 50sii for photo, Fuji XH2s, and ARRI Alexa Mini to my arsenal (only thanks to being very fortunate in my video business). But guess what? The GAS never stops. After the Sony, other cameras had little or minimal visual improvements to my footage (Besides the Alexa, that's another story).
But even after the Alexa...I still find myself going down rabbit holes of new camera videos. When I have a literal DREAM of a $40K cinema camera right here sitting on my table. A camera some of my favorite films were shot on.
It's a trap that never ends and distraction from going out and creating. Push back! Go and make something. Use what you have and focus on you, not the camera.
sorry that was my ted talk lollll.
Great video, Vu. I like the comedy twist at the end hahaha.
Well said bro. 🙌🏾
Right on target! Yes sir! Appreciate honesty.
Thank you.
Imagine having brand allegiance to any massive corporation that doesn’t care about you lol
Just got a a7iv and thought about taking it back for the S5iix but nah I like the Sony ecosystem. I'm going to get an Fx3 or FX6 as my cinema camera in about a year or so.
Yessir !
Lumix fans should be thanking sony they paved the way for lumix to get so good. Competition leads to better products
I love Sony to death, and I have been researching multiple Sony alpha cameras from all aps-c to all full frame and was about to purchase either the a73, a7c, and possibly a74 for over a month. However, this panasonic for the price and all the features is incredibly hard to pass up.
I'd go for fx3 or zve1. A6700 if you are broke
@@nVuFilms not broke, too much value to pass up
Same here, love Sony, been using their cameras for over a decade. Price isn't an issue for me, but when I can get two Panasonic bodies for the price of one Sony body, the small flaws of the Panasonic become almost irrelevant.
As a Lumix user and fan boy I have to agree that there's no place for trash talking any camera brand as they're all amazing in 2023. I think one aspect is that Lumix has the 1.8 primes that are cheaper than most brands, light, all the same size and relatively same weight. They also provide many firmware updates for the lifespan of a camera, where it seems a lot of users are angry at Sony for not doing that. Sony leads the industry in sales for many reasons, including that the glass is amazing quality and quantity and the superior frame rate options. But I think in 2023 we also know that the story and information is more important than the quality of gear, so if you can get the same idea out for cheaper, then I see a valid reason to go with a certain brand or model over another.
I'd be curious to see how an S1Hii stacks up against a n A7Siii.
Great video as always my man. Keep it up!
Thanks bro
@@nVuFilms Any time man! Love your skits haha found your channel from the shorts
It makes more sense to have M43 (GH6) for telephoto (less RS, better IBIS, 300fps). Use a S5iix for wider/shallow stuff. The IBIS on both of those cameras is awesome. Is this a SONY-ONLY channel?😀
I shoot Sony. Occasionally will discuss other cameras but really I review camera gear that applies to all cameras
I have the Sony A7S3 and A73 and i want the S5iix to be PROFESSIONAL
Lol
@@nVuFilms Sony needs to work on stabilization, they can learn from Panasonic in that field. They are just plain awful..Running with A7IV and FX6 here, I love my machines but it sounds like that 's something that can easily be fixed with firmware... Lazy engineering.
@@crooklynx972I kind of wonder if it's a limitation of e-mount because it was designed for apsc sensors. It may just be physically too small for the sensor to move around that much, but if the software stabe keeps improving that could be a workaround in a generation or two.
Saying that though, the fx30 ibis is rubbish too so maybe Sony aren't bothered.
@@seqord This is not a problem with the e mount it looks like a simple stabilization algorithms lazy programming. Even crop sensors stabilization Panasonic outclassed any Sony crop sensor stabilization. Their most expensive flagship cameras can't even match a GH5 stabilization.. It took years for Panasonic to get to phase detect autofocus, and it seems that with just a few firmwares updates they can reach Sony's accuracy. What isSony doing??? Nada
@@crooklynx972 Right, I should've been clearer, I meant the size of the mount in relation to the sensor size. A full frame sensor on e-mount just barely fits, whereas on the Panny l-mount and mft mounts the sensor has more wiggle room.
Only speculation but I can imagine if a full frame sensor on a Sony cam moved around as freely as the sensors on lumix cams, it would introduce weird vignetting. The updated software stabilization on the new ZV cams seems to be a little better though, at least.
There is no ideal camera, but find the camera that is most suitable for the subject you film 80% of the time!
I prefer beautiful images in a lower resolution than no images that were recorded in 4K or 6K and the camera fails.
This overheating and switching off of a camera Canon or Sony, this is now the biggest doomsday scenario during a wedding recording!
ROLLING SHUTTER and CROPPED 4k60 is the least of your worries!
What beautiful recordings these could have been and how am I going to explain this to the couple.
I'm not going to track fast objects in 4K every day, Even when I filmed on circuit I was after the corners where most of the speed was out of the cars and the cars drove towards me!.
And how many people currently have a 4K television?
Most view these images on a laptop or worse on the small screen of their mobile phone.
Do you ever notice how its 99 percent men that make videos about gears/toys and are obsessed with specs. As an artist, I like to make art. What I have works for me. Nothing is perfect, but that's what makes life interesting. The rage cycle of the internet is quite boring.
I always here for the final skits 😅😅
I love sony since i got the a7s. I got the a7sii, then the ursa mini. I now have an S1, and it's great... the s5iix looks amazing, but I agree, it's not quite a replacement for the a7siii. If these cameras could blend their features, it would be the perfect mirrorless.
I love about panasonic:
- SHUTTER ANGLE, omg this is essential. Why doesn't sony do this?
- Megapixel count. When you're used to cropping photos with a 22+mp image, you realise how great it is.
- 6k Open Gate: this is a wonderful feature, especially for anamorphic. This is capped at 4:2:0 internally though...but with ssd on the new panasonic would solve this.
- IBIS is perfect.
- I actually feel the image is often better than sony's. Less noisy, and much more pleasing colour. I have worked with a LOT of sony cameras to form this opinon.
- The fact that i can have a whole bunch of custom presets in a quick menu. Maybe sony has this too, I don't seem to remember my a7sii was as fully feldged in this department, but the newer cameras are probably fine.
I love about sony:
- All the framerates, using the full sensor. Capable of higher framerates too.
- The lowlight capability is still second to none.
- The autofocus still seems the best, although I have never used it. But is a big selling point. I'm sure s5iix is still lacking here, but has improved a lot.
- Lens choices
- Minimal rolling shutter
If sony or panasonic would have all these features, it would be an easy choice. Internal ND too, but that's a bit of a pipe dream. If sony had 6k open gate with shutter angle, it'd be sony all day. But it's all a tradeoff. They are pretty comparable at this point, just depends what features you need. The 4k60 crop is a big downside for the panasonic. If they removed the crop, then i'd say panasonic wins (for me). I actually sold my a7sii to buy the a7siii, but it was delayed too much. Either way, they are both great cameras, that slighty lack where the other shines.
Panasonic if I am not work already registered a patent with the nd filter integrated in a mirrorless camera, so it could be possible that the next generation of the panasonic s1 models have it but it could take time
I love my S5II,that I got after selling my a7IV. But I agree with you, this is not comparable to the FX3, when the S1Hm2 comes out, we’ll see. And I’m not getting the X, because I don’t what to “rig” it, the main reason I sold the a7IV was that, I didn’t want to add a monitor for video assist tools, and a gimbal for stabilization. So needing to add a SSD to use some codecs is not desirable
Fair enough
I almost posted a snarky comment, but you make good points. Particularly that if you want to have the same quality and features of the more expensive cameras you will need to spend more money. The S5iix is a great camera for the money, so for someone who won't be doing all the rigging and shit it's a really, really good value. And it's hard to beat in terms of image quality and cinema features for the money. But people thinking they can just spend $2k and get all the stuff that people spending thousands more are getting will be disappointed. It's not for everyone and it can't do everything.
I just recently watched a TH-cam video about this camera and was getting really hyped up about it. I started watching multiple TH-cam videos after that and have noticed one very important thing; I don’t see anything about this camera recently as in like a week ago or even a month ago. The closest videos about this camera are like 8 months ago and older. I just have to wonder why that is. And I am no expert, not even that good, but I do have to wonder why there isn’t any recent hype about this camera. And I’m just being open about this; just look for recent videos about this and it becomes difficult to find. That’s my 2 cents, and yes I want to live this and go get it when I can, but I like to know all the Pros and Cons before buying . He’s presented some Cons here at least things to consider.
I also noticed the same thing about S5MK2. The problem is, Sony A7 IV is too expensive compared to S5MK2 :)
Does the sony has a global shutter??
No but faster readout
If u live in a cold climate, like I do in Alaska, the Sony a7iv's the perfect camera. With OVERHEATING, will keep you warm at minus -40 F. Great engineering Sony! 😎😎G
hey listen even if i buy zve1 i have to spend more than the cost of camera in other accessories because camera is very expensive hobby. sony zve1 also overheats much lumix s5 ii can do much more than that. But it depends on work if u dont want to sports photography or videograpy simply buy s5ii it will give full frame sensor and longer shooting times better low light performance also u can do podcast and weddings like things so those cases s5 ii is great option than zve1
u seems a true guy, im following u now, !
its not competing with Fx3 at all, I would say A7 IV is the rival, and its doing a great job against it, but there is both some strengts and quirks
I don't understand why people make such negative videos about a camera, it's so easy to make the same video about another one. If a camera suits you then use it, and if it doesn't then don't. We all prefer so many different things in our gear, it's a good thing there is so much choice.
Totally agree. I am happy with my Sony A7s iii.
All this camera brand dbaggery reminds me of the console wars from the early 00's. As an a7siii user though, would love to see open gate eventually make its way to the next sony camera. That would be game changer for the company I shoot for. Or at least give me a damn a7siii firmware update.
Well said Vu!!
Love the 120p A7Siii
When it gets down to it and I am fully invested in lenses and a S5 body, it's not worth it to me to switch. I do agree with some of the comments on AF and people considering getting started need to hear this.
I wouldn't switch if you are fine with the p5iix.
It's not a bad camera.
This video is just me basically saying different camera users need to mind their own business about other people's gear.
my knuckles hit the lenses on sony when hand holding. esp. 50 1.2. and other chunky lenses. too tight for me.
That end part OMG!!!
Just hoping Sony will give the FX3 open gate. Even if only at 24p, I’m good with that.
Do they have Open Gate for the Fx6 ?
I have to agree with you. I am owner of S5IIX, it is great camera and I love it, but as you said, it is nonsense to say that S5IIX is better than A7SIII. Everytime is need to be said in which parameter is first or second camera better or worse.
S5IIX is very useful, but I think almost nobody need DCI 4K and it is not an argument to buy the S5IIX before any other camera.
You do have aps-c 50 1.4 for Panasonic but it is made by Leica. It is the best 50 1.4 lens for aps-c there is but you have to buy it second hand for a good deal
I think sony a7iv is the real competitor of lumix S5II. Both can be used for video and photography (unlike the sony A7III / FX3). My big problem with the Sony AIV is overheating (ths same problema with Sony ZV-E1). If it didn't have this problem I would choose it without a doubt, but I don't accept paying 2 thousand dollars for a camera to warm up with less than 1 hour of recording.
I have the a7 IV and it doesn't heat up that much...I put the temperature on high, but what bothers me is that the image of the a7 IV is too sharp...much too sharp, it's not great for the creation of films or cinematic but more for an advertising style.
@@hoani_goivideos5615 A friend of mine was filming an event with the A7IV. In 1h20 minutes of 4k24 recording she stopped recording. That kind of thing me off.
Does the Panasonic overheat I wonder
It doesn't but it also doesn't have full frame 4k60 or 4k120 which probably would make it overheat which is why it doesn't have it.
If we use Sony Zve1 with only the Panasonic capabilities... It wouldn't overheat either
@@nVuFilms gotta be honest homie - if its not overheating while shooting raw, its not overheating for 60/120
@@AutumnHxze
I don't have a Dog in the fight, i just love your shorts. Agree with you. People should slow their rollllll and use what you got and make the best content you can.
You are a working man, you make your money from your camera. I see less and less people that are doing real projects with these new cameras, at least judging by the reviews. Is the S5IIx or Z8 do something that your current professional setup can't do?
Z8 and Z9 are the truth no doubt. I would have zero use for Pantysonic
@@nVuFilms I still think both are late to the game. But better late than never.
S5ii and X versions does not compete with A7Siii or FX3, it competes with A7iv
Yea