Panasonic S5IIx Pros and Cons vs Sony ZVE1 and Canon R8
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ย. 2024
- Panasonic S5IIx review. Brutally honest review vs the competition. Is much different vs the S5II? What about the Sony ZV-E1 now, is the S5IIx already dated? Canon R8 has full frame 4k 60p vs aps-c mode for S5II, and 180fps HD with autofocus vs no autofocus in the S5 IIx. Are these extra codecs worth it if you can't use any of of them in camera? BRAW does sound awesome.
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Noob question: Can Still images be written directly to the SSD drive as well?
I think They can't record raw internally because of RED patent on it. Apple also lost that case against RED.
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@@Tensentities Thanks, I appreciate that.
you can beat that thing. God bless. Jesus heals.
But i hear ya. Keep a good mood and water fast the shit ouf of that cancer. It will die before you will.
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Hope you feel better. Sending good thoughts man!
For the first time in YEARS of watching your channel I have to comment on the AMAZING colors and tones of the Panny!! Wow!!
🤔 I don’t know man, that S5IIX is looking good.
That crop though
Just use a wider lens. Dollar for dollar I know of nothing better. @@JeffBourke
@@avarmadillo yeah, got the 24mm and I can go 60p with the super duper stabe after the last update, focus is amazing now second only to sony and it's awesome!!
As I was watching the review, thinking that there are a lot of things to be a little disappointed in (cropping, no AF in high fps modes, and a low 180 max fps, less than quality feel to the lenses) but then I saw the actual video images and they are pretty amazing!
My 20-60mm (was the kit lens with S5) and 70-300mm both operate smoothly, but then again mine aren't stunt lenses for performing falls onto hard surfaces.
Ye same my kit lens was smooth as hell when I got my S5. Might be a bad batch out
My kit len's zooms' jerk like removing a corkscrew!
@@misterabroad123 I must admit, I tried the S5ii in the shop yesterday and that one was stiff as well.
Yep my 20-60mm and 70-300mm are smooth too.
S5IIx looking objectively better every time
You can make me watch reviews of cameras I’ll never even consider buying. Your comedic style is genius. I appreciate you.
X3000 for the WIN!! Seriously nice to have that back on the channel. Panny looks pretty great to my non pink eye.
I was considering A7s iv, R8 and Lumix S5iix. Ended up going for Lumix as it represented the best value.
That was the best wildlife footage I've seent on this channel
Noticeably better than the Sony
@ 1:10 into your video I was on the floor laughing. Nice one numbnuts...... Keep up the good work, always fun to tune in and watch you.
Congrats on the new X3000. The standard frame rate footage is actually amazing.. killer camera.
I let you watch Gerald. Then I watch you.
Just rewatched this.. and the wildlife footage is actually magical! (Panasonic) colours are real :D
Still going strong with my G9!
there is something about the panni codecs for wildlife, they just look good. I keep returning to the g9 even if the AF is subpar, vs. Sony or Olympus. For a basic FF hybrid, it is difficult not to go for the s5.2 with that kit lens. Lets see now a GH6-like fast readout version.
The S5 AF is better than the G9, and it's keenly priced right now. At lower frame it rates allows for full frame and "telephoto" aps-c shots with one lens. I use vintage manual glass for video so autofocus isn't an issue.
@@borderlands6606 I have the S5M2, so no need to settle for the S5 worse AF 🙂. But for telephoto I still use M43, I cannot lug around the current FF lenses >300mm, it is just silly.
I'm really really waiting GH7... if they bring all that glorios stuff to M4/3 system.
GH7 same size as GH5, with amazing IBIS, and the new autofocus system? Would be the killer camera.
YES! I agree with you here. I’ve invested a lot of money with my M4/3 pro lens collection, All the great upgrades added to a GH7 would be perfect 👍🏻
@@iSpike 😂😂😂
Ma gh6 II should have the new AF, so im excited
It would be amazing to see Panasonic's new autofocus tech trickle down to a possible G85 successor in the near future. Maybe a crop sensor version cut down from the full frame, instead of m43. Split the difference.
G9 mk2 is it.
@@shapes2000G9 mark 2 is a HUGE m43 camera. A true successor to the small hand handy gx85 would be appreciated!
@@DennisDinges True, didn't realise how big the g9 and gh7 were. Even bigger than my s5ii! I love my G85, perfect m43 sizewise apart from the dodgy autofocus.
The only reason there is more toneh on the BMPCC is because the whole image is soft lol
Yes, no details are sharp.
The internal recording options of the S5 IIx on fast SD cards are absolutely enough for run and gun content creators.
Obviously, this whole video was shot like that.
Excuse my ignorance, what card specs are you referring to? Cheers..
@@andrewp1513 V90 cards can record everything expect the ProRes codecs on the S5 IIx
For this purpose S5II without the x is all you need.
@@gnosticone Can we record BRAW on V90 cards
I got the s5ii, love the image out of it and the stabe is crazy especially with the 24-105. Rigged up - can't even imagine how steady it would be. For casual video, the natural profile looks really nice.
If you're going to get the s5iix, just put the cash down and get that kondor blue ssd handle. It's slick as hell. I'm guessing the in-camera raw is going to be the big daddy model since it's such a niche feature that the main people who need it are the folks with equipment budgets who can write off a new camera. Also heard they're doing $400 discounts when you buy an s5iix and lens together. If it would have been practical for me - that's the deal I would have gone for.
Does s5ii really not have autofocus in slowmotion? I am thinking of this or zve1 as a gh5 user
@@davidvictory9764 it has AF but it's contrast detect up to I believe 100 or 120 frames iirc. From 120-180 it's manual only. The quality of the 180 isn't very good and I would only use it for casual/social media use. It's not going to look good on a bigger screen
@@karikaru oh that sucks. So hard to choose a camera as nothing seems perfect even tho realistocly it's more than enough. I thought I was the only one that thought 180fps looked awful on the gh5 and very digital and noisy. Thx now I know
@@davidvictory9764 no problem! Yeah I'm rarely using slow motion or if I do, it's 60fps so not a big deal for me but I can understand for others it can be.
@@davidvictory9764 I'm in the same boat!
I've been waiting since before the A7iv/Z6ii came out to figure out what I want to throw my money down on!?!?
That has to be a pretty big statement - I have had the money to buy a camera (in the 2-3k price range), plus a good lens and accessories for 4-6 years now, but still haven't - due to , you guessed it - consistent crippling and hammering!
Man, your videos are so awesome, best scene... camara drops... F..... ** ......... C ....... ** LOOOOL Love it! Great video, very entertaining as usual!
How does this guy not have multiple brand deals?!?! Love my camera conspiracies t-shirt!
Probably because his vids are long AF, and I'm sure many don't care for his delivery?
I think he's funny, but I just can't take 20-25 minutes of it.
I bought the S5M2X a year ago after watching this video. I've been using the 20-60 kit lens which has been fine for my mediocre YT channel. I have a 24mm 1.8 on the way since I only really use the 20-60 at 24mm. I'm glad it has the same filter size so I can move my Black Pro Mist over to the new lens when it gets here. Will the cinema finally be ours? Time will tell.
The Sony X3000 had a ton of artifacts in the 240fps mode, while the Pannyboy was nice and clean at 180fps.
Well done Pannyboy. Can't wait for the updated M43 camera.
LLLMMAAOOOO that dual camera wielding street crossing scene.... GOLD BABY !!! GOLD !!!
best wildlife image quality i ve seen by you mate, good job panny, i think that you will like the sigma ...as they say all L-mount lenses are like 1st party.... go get em tiger
Yeah we know, you still have issues with it..... But honestly, I think the S5 checks all my boxes so hard that it wipes them clean off the list! I wouldn't even have a list if I had an S5. Keep in mind though, I can barely use my G9 properly so I'm definitely not ready for an S5, but that won't stop me from buying one if the right deal comes around. Yeah I already have an Atmos 5, and I've got plenty of SSD's which this camera can use right out of the box. You don't need the ninja from my understanding, just an external SSD, but I already have both so I'm good to go! Cheers 🍻
Pani boy is definatelly a winner here as a best hybrid camera - ZVE1 is trash in photo, 12 mpx, no pixel shift. Yess, 4k 120 is nice, but with all the e stab you still get a crop. R8 has the best 4k 60, no crop, but 0 stab + you need to watch out for overheating.
S5IIX really is beautiful
Could tell immediately which camera is the Sony. It's the one that makes your skin look orange.
That Panny is just incredible. The things you are mentioning - vloggers so many times - 99 % of people are going to record in 60fps no matter what. Imo whats most important for a vlogger is stabilisation, and hands on, there is probably no camera with better IBIS in this price range than this one. The options for amateur filmographers are there as well with that huge selection of codecs (SSD tho, but you want to use that anyway if doing filmmaking). The only real hit this camera gets is that crop while recording, but sharpness, color science and stabilisation are way over its price league.
Enjoying all the content... more confused than ever... but happy.
Love your videos my man. They always make me chuckle. I have the s5II and love it. Never seen the benefit in the x
The way I look a the S5 vs S5II is they are in a completely different price bracket of camera. S5 is at an optimal price to performance level for full frame, the S5II starts heading towards competing with the above optimal camera range, and it's price for the small feature bump shows it. Especially if like me you got the S5 on a super sale when the S5II was coming out lol.
People fail to realize the S5 is ENTRY LEVEL. Its not a pro camera. But still better than most anything. As I've said before, as soon as the s1H mkii comes out.. I'm literally selling my car to buy it. Nothing will be better than that. Panasonic Lumix are just easier to use than any other brand. Everything is where you expect it to be and it works intuitively.
Ya, but wtf is the S1h 2? At this point, the $2,200 s52x beats the S1h in a lot of categories. That S1h 2 better be announced before July.
1:05 to 1:18. The most impressive short film ever made!
Appreciate the Panny experience again. Looked great!
I'll take having to use a cage, that I would already be putting on the camera anyway, to hold an SSD, over having to pay over 50 cents per gigabyte for a CF express card. Best Buy, as of this writing, has a San Disk usb C 4Tb SSD for $250. Insane price difference. Worth the cage, cable and mount imo.
Sadly, the Pannys are limited to 2TB SSDs. I use several with my GH6 and now I have the S5 IIX on the way.
Disagree. The value for a video shooter--the S5iiX can't be beat. I wouldn't trade it for an A7sIII, a camera that won't even do DCI. You call that video?!?!?
Not I!
The Panasonic hand held look is MAGIC!
BEST VAUE on the market.
Thank you for the mirror duck in my life.
Wow panie boy has done it beautiful. The perfect camera. But I have to get the L alliance lenses. I think it's worth it!! Great job Panasonic. ❤
Who needs an arri alexa if you got glimmer glass and a S5II.
ME
I need that damn GH7 with phase auto focus to come out. it's been 6 years with my GH5.... I neeeeddd itttt
Pssst, there is the mark 2...
Apparently Sigma and Leica lenses are not third party for Lumix cameras, Sean from Lumix USA was explaining that in one of his videos. That's a whole point of L-mount alliance.
I've only ever seen an example of a Panasonic S5 with Sigma 150-600mm and it was shaky as hell.
@@cameraconspiracies ah, these representatives 🤣
don't shoot the messenger Casey, don't shoot.
This is the kind of content that makes me hit that bell
The wildlife footage you got looks so good
I'm infatuated with the stabilization on the Panasonic, only used Canon and Sony cause i use the autofocus to film myself...but man i've got my eyes on a Panny might hold out for an updated 4/3rds for form factor.
I’m curious why would you go with a 4/3 sensor and not the full frame sensor?
1:12 Long lenses and tiny tripods do NOT mix!
Yea, that was scary. Thankfully, it was a short tripod. If it was taller, who knows what damaged might have been done.
Love your stuff. but yeah there's not a lot of $2000-2300 cameras that will do Prores, Prores RAW, etc in camera. Even if you could, SD cards are ridiculously inefficient in terms of both storage space and price for anything past H264/H265. So i don't really think it's fair to criticize that. After all, for most of the main mirrorless cams in this price range in recent years, you'd need an external recorder AND SSD to do that kinda stuff anyway. Personally i'd rather have the option to record to an SSD i have lying around. I know you're being dramatic, but you don't need a $200-300 SSD to record anyway. You can get old samsung NVMEs that are like 512GB with an enclosure for like...$60 all in? 1TB SSDs, you don't need the fastest ones, virtually any modern SSD is more than capable of those bitrates. I'd much rather just pony up for an SSD than pay whatever the hell they charge for massive SD cards that are also uber fast if i need that kind of data rate.
Truth is that the VAST majority of people are just fine shooting like 100-150mbps H264 and still getting amazing results. Even for paid work it's rarely worth going over that unless it's actually high end. And if you're doing work that really warrants ProRes or RAW, you are basically expected to rig things out regardless, even just to make corporate clients make you think you're 'worth the money'. The flexibility this camera offers is fantastic.
The blacks do not look right from the S5iix. Is that a grading issue, or the nature of the sensor?
Why are you comparing S5 Mark 2 X with ZV-E1 and Sony A7s 3. Is there any sense??
I'm proud to have witnessed the cinema!
Have you tried a Canon lens EF lens on the Panasonic S5II (with Sigma MC-21 adaptor)?
please make a compare video of a7iv and s5ii x
Panasonic colours, thank you very much
I have heard that those Panny lenses are stiff new and loosen up with a but of use
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The return of the sacred Sony X3000! Looked fantastic! Panasonic I applaud you! Looks great too!
The Black Magic made you look like you have a sun burn. Pany looks great, but the GH6 looked better, especially in slow-mo.
I've read that the GLIDE escapes if a lens hits the floor.
Dude, for the BRAW you need the Video Assist, not the Ninja Atomos.
For birds you dont need BRAW.
But that prores option on the S5iix is the one to shoot at.
I am actually suprised you went for that OG BMCC and not the Sigma FP. It probably cost and weight the same, but the Sigma kill it.
And it can shoot raw internally. Thats right!
The panny looks amazing allthough its a bit souless.
Would wait to see what Leica would bring instead of the SL2-S (a remake of the panny).
Bro I own Multiple S5 II and a S5 II x. Love these Cameras and the 70-300 and ever the 24-105 are super dope.
3:04 yes I was testing the s5 II two days ago and had the same "issue" the zoom on the 20-60 is pretty stiff or how you wanna call it. It's the opposite of smooth.
I'm that guy that helps the S5 ii x out.... I've got it rigged up all pretty with my video assist, ssd, and external battery. It's nice having so much power with a versatile form fsctor.
I shoot all my free time footage in FHD prores, and most of my client ahoots too. You can crop in pixel- pixel to in FHD, which gives your folcal length a 3.125 boost. That way, you can really reach out with a 300mm.
I do use sigma glass tho....
I find it humorous that you can buy the FX3, a cinema camera, and not have prores (because you don’t have a Ninja), no shuttter angle and only 16:9 and 17:9 recording, or buy the S5IIX and Ninja and rig it for the same price as the FX3. The S5IIX isn’t really the best vlogging or videography camera but has far more standard cinema features.
Panny lens drop “fuuuuck” 😂
Love your mapFE
Panasonic should do something for that colours: it always give that "sandy beige" rendition that really put me off.
The Reds ar really weird
I heard that the S5ii doesn't have USB-C streaming, though it may be possible through the HDMI to a Cam Link. I don't know for sure, though. I think the S5iiX does allow USB-C streaming. Maybe I'm using the wrong word. Web-cam? Is web-cam the same as streaming? Putting a video/audio signal directly to the computer.
Sony looks better. But you should have compared using same lens., Lenses have their cast. ALSO WHERES IS THE ZVE1???
I'm howling, man thank you
Gets all cameras for free from camera companies. Complains about all camera companies 😂
Samsung T5 is discontinued, but there are better and cheaper alternatives. Recording to SSD is the best you can do. You can edit straight from the drive. If you want to copy the footage (for example to the NAS) it's 5-10x faster than any SD card ... win-win ...
For vlog have you tried a color space transform? That generally gets you a good picture.
It's still too red. Red is quite oversaturated right now and many are hoping for a fix since it also results in red gamut clipping in certain cases.
That was colour space transform...
@@cameraconspiracies I'm working on the 3.0 update of my 55M Advanced Luts. Maybe you want to try these out? These also fix the oversaturated red issue in V-Log.
@@cameraconspiracies you might have some settings wrong preferences. It should be pretty neutral after a transfer. You could also try some like film convert nitrate, or dehancer. They have free trials with watermarks before you need to buy. I have film convert and it’s does a really good job of converting log to a good and accurate image.
@@Photovintageguy Settings aren't wrong, there's only 1 option lol. It's a known issue. Panasonic's official LUT is even worse.
btw, you absolutely need to do more 'commentary' stuff. Very entertaining and funny.
I think the Panny is the best wildlife camera. It has the best colour separation. The Sony looks good too but the picture is a bit mushy by comparison.
It's not a good wildlife camera. No lenses, slow fps, af still lagging.
@@fredriksvard2603 There's no other camera with the same clarity of colour as the Panny. Also, I could quote Robert Capa and say if your photos aren't good enough, you're not close enough.
@@audioupgrades Wildlife photographers will go for Nikon, Canon etc most of the time for fast fps and 300, 400, 600mm etc lenses. I'm sure they get close when they can and use teles when they can't. Clarity, i haven't noticed anything special with Pana. If anything, i'd wish for Nikon, Fuji or Hasselblad images out of Sony tech, with Canon ergonomics. And Pana stabilization.
@@fredriksvard2603 Well, going for a brand rather than the picture is hardly the sign of a very intelligent person.
You inspired me to get the Sony A7siii and I am happy with it.
This is the perfect camera.
I feel dirty. I preferred the Sony colours… ☹️
maaan, it's mad, Sony just looks muuuch better here.
@@rafsnchz I mean the first camera HAD to be the Panny. The colours look so much better. No wait. It's the Sony. WTF.
The Panny did look great outside, but inside the Panny was rocking Sony colours. What a confusing world!
Sony still makes skintones look sickly yellow. Can’t unsee that
@@rafsnchz I think Sony and Panasonic had a board meeting...
Pana image looks sooo much better. I will buy it.
dont you kind of have to choose between the atomos or the black magic? isnt it either prores raw or braw?
A 500gb cf express card is almost double the price of just a Samsung t7 SSD of the same capacity. Plus just a cold shoe mounted SSD holder for a few bucks. So this solution is actually cheaper to run if you wanna shoot in ProRes. So what’s the big issue?
This remains the best camera content channel on TH-cam
was just in the middle of a gerald video but i had to tune in
Can’t wait for your V10 thoughts!
Still think the Sony A7Siii bets the others. However, the X3000 still rocks...
Your street crossings! OMG, I really need to learn the choreography.... Not fully Captain Jack Sparrow, it is something else :-)
X3000 FTW!
You are great man...the Chihuahua part its to much hahaha, well done with the review btw
Man you need to try R8 + rf 100-400mm it would be fun . Althought the fun only last for 30 minutes lol
wow , how surprisingly better Lumix looks over than Sony
Plugged into my calibrated monitor to watch this. You got more believable colours out of the Lumix than the Sony IMHO, the mist filter was too strong though. And your BMPCC is looking better and better each time. Don't think I've ever seen better starling footage than yours (though I will beat that with my OM-1 and 300mm imminently). Can see what you mean about X3000, hopefully won't have to see any more Hooarwee P40 footage now. Glad to see the end of my mirror duck drought.
Do you have calibrated eyes? That blackmail looks too red to me.
@@daviddouglasuk err, red saturation is way higher on Sony on CC's t-shirt. What monitor are you using? An out-the-box S21?
@@LexTNeville I am using a Sony TV. The red colour I am referring to is on his face.
@@daviddouglasuk you have some gall Sir.
@LexTNeville I am not talking about absolute colour but relative to the Lumix the black magic looks too red on his face.
8:06 he looks happy 😊
They should just upgrade the G85 autofocus
That raven with the orange shoulder pads is outside my window right now! Small world.
Once Red loses a few lawsuits we should have a bonfire with our ninja vs
I'll wait for the GH7
Just an FYI not even the FX9 can shoot to an external SSD without a recorder