Refurbished 5SIi, $1400. Lumix 50/1.8. Apple Silicon M1 (no need for outdated RAW codecs or clunky external drives). DaVinci free version. It's a wonderful time to be a filmmaker.
The S5iiX's Boost I.S. is NOT intended for tripod moves. It is meant to emulate a locked-off shot (no panning/tilting), if you do try tripod moves Boost I.S. will give you jerky rubber-bandey moves as it tries to keep the shot still and then runs out of compensation range.
In practice, the Boost I. S. really improved my tripod-like camera movements. Especially when performing them at a consistant speed. But I just opened up the S5 IIX manual and you're right! "Increase the effectiveness of the image stabilizer during video recording. This effect can help provide a stable composition when you want to perform recording from a fixed perspective."
I switched from Sony (I had an A7SIII and A7IV) to two S5IIX and I wouldn't go back. Better image, stabilization, durability, photo preview via app (doesn't crash).
Great video. For the extra cost of A7Siii, one can by a DJI Osmo Pocket 3 and get high frame rates and a superb gimbal shots etc and a real backup if the main cam is down for any issue.
Very true! I mean the Osmo Pocket won't deliver the same quality, but in some scenarios it can be good to have a DLSM setup paired with a flexibel all-in-one setup (dji osmo pocket 3). I currently see many car guys mounting an osmo pocket outside of the car, would love to try that.
I got rid of my A7siii for a Lumix S5 ii because the A7Siii is like a full frame point and shoot with no control plus I was uninspired by the image. It was a cool camera but it's overhyped in my opinion.
@@Bigcookfilms Yeah same, Lumix is 10 times better bang for buck, in my local store A7iv is 2800€ just for body, while u can find insane sale bundles of S5iiX Lumix with 20-60mm+50mm 1.8 or even a 24-105 f4 for the same price. However Sony is a market leader in AF and thats a fact, so for any video where ure not using a manual youre missing out by not using Sony.
With the new firmware, I'd argue that the S5 IIX is even better value against the Sony A7IV. The other point, when have you seen such a feature release from a "free" firmware from any camera company?
2:00 - SteadyShot Active is a form of electronic stabilization. I know you know this, but it makes it even worse for Sony ... why? Try recording handheld like that with some motion blur, like in a proper movie. The 180 degree shutter angle rule with an ND filter for example. Enable SteadyShot Active; you will see artifacts in the motion blur where the electronic stabilization has shifted the frame. Meanwhile, the Lumix (even with just IBIS on only and no EIS) is far more stable, and IBIS only will not cause artifacts in motion blur (aside from normal shakes). Sony was designed for photography first, video second. The E-mount is not large enough to have the sensor shift far enough, so Sony depends on EIS in handheld video, which is pretty bad for serious video. Most Sony shooters don't even use ND filters, they can't tell me how many stops an ND64 is, they don't know their f-stop chart in 1/3rd increments, that is incredibly amatuerish. EIS is fine for a GoPro, but should generally be avoided for professional shooting. It's true that most cinema cameras don't have IBIS as well, but at least IBIS can allow you to do a lot handheld, without having to worry about artifacts in your motion blur. I've used Panasonic for 10 years. I would never use Sony, no matter how popular it is. There's no excuse not to have shutter angle for example, which can easily be implemented in software, but we know how Sony is with firmware updates. Thanks for the comparison. Choose Lumix over Sony. Be smart, learn your equipment :)
I'm a independent filmmaker. I though of buying sony fx3 for my upcoming project. Now I'm confused between fx3 and S5 IIX. I mostly use natural/low light indoor shoots. Please suggest me a camera.
@@changeguys Both of these cameras are excellent. It really depends on what you plan to do. I manual focus all the time, I've gotten good at it. I was DOP and focus puller on a 4 day short film set, I rarely missed. I've manually focused for 10 years. The S5 IIX is probably like 90% as good as Sony at video autofocus for most things. Panasonic still has more latency in HDMI than Sony, but in other ways, I think the S5 IIX is the better camera overall. You can reduce noise reduction on all Panasonic cameras to a minimal amount, no you don't need a Sony Burano for $25,000 for that "special" feature, you can do it on pretty much any Panasonic. This means LongGOP and All-I become practical choices, as you get a decent noise pattern for Neat Video to build a noise profile with, eliminating the need to use ProRes for an extra half stop or so of details in the shadows after noise reduction in post (just get exposure and white balance close to correct in camera). Sony uses heavy internal noise reduction, the S5 IIX has dual native ISO and is plenty good in low light, probably around 80% as good as the Sony. If one lights their scenes even with rudimentary lighting, any camera can be used. It also depends on lenses. Sony has more faster primes to choose from (yet they suffer from more focus breathing than Panasonic, and digital cropping for focus breathing compensation option on Sony will be noticeable if using 180 degree shutter angle). Panasonic does have a nice series of f/1.8 primes (18, 24, 35, 50, 85) but they don't really have anything faster unless you look into Sigma. Finally, Panasonic has better stabilization than Sony because the mount is larger. Sony E-mount is too small, the system will never have good physical stabilization and depends on EIS. Sony is a photography system with video as an after thought, while Panasonic (for the price) always has better video features. I personally would go with the Panasonic. I don't care how popular Sony is, I thoroughly enjoy Panasonic as I'm primarily a videographer. However, Sony may be better considering specific use cases.
I wish you would have done a more in depth autofocus comparison. That has always been my sticking point with Lumex. Seems like they have gotten better but how does it compare? Probably too late for me to switch as I have lots of Sony glass but you can definitely help future filmmakers save $$$
And think of all the video analysis features you get with the LUMIX!!!! Syncro Scan, waveforms, Luminous spot meter, shutter angle. The S-5 is so much more video oriented. Plus you can save time by recording your favorite LUT in camera while shooting LOG. And Pro Res is a dream for grading in fCP. Colors always looked weird to me on Sony, but you're 100% right, colors on the Panasonic are much more natural looking, plus you can shoot in C4K. The Panasonic is such a knockout image. It always looks gorgeous. Best camera, best value. Sony bells and whistles do not make up for such failures in providing fundamental things while shooting video.
Great Video! I'm currently using the GH5 and looking to upgrade to a new full-frame camera. I'm torn between the S5iix and the FX3. Do you think the extra cost for the FX3 is worth it? I’ve watched several footage videos from both cameras on TH-cam, especially in the music video genre, and I find Sony’s look much more modern and cinematic.
Thank you! The FX3 is a great camera as well and the good point is that there is no cropping in slowmo. But if you also plan to film music videos, I’d rather also spend budget on portable lighting and some accessories. So it depends on your budget.
@@MatthiasDangl I do have same doubt. But i do lot of low-light/natural indoor shooting. which camera do I need to prefer? I'm a independent filmmaker. Please suggest me a camera. I can spend money on fx3. But if there is a chance I would like invest more money on quality audio equipment.
@@nileshjaitly I did the same and the results are surprising. Noise levels are handled better at Sony if the ISO value is above the base ISO 12800. Below the base ISO 12800, I find lumix is doing good job than fx3 while handling the noise and dynamic range.
Excellent video! The only thing I envy about the a7SIII is the whopping 8.7 ms rolling shutter (S5IIX has 22 ms) and having the option to ''fully'' disable the sharpening without having to go RAW externally, unlike on the S5IIX where there is still some visible sharpening applied, even when it's set to 0 in the menu.
Latest firmware update fixed this in my camera, it's less sharp with is great, however you cannot disable noise reduction on the a7sIII which is still a problem
Great video, well presented and hits on all the pertinent points. As someone who has used both Sony and Lumix in one man hybrid shooting foreign field work, I totally agree with your assesment. The auto focus needs work still (tough tracking please!) but other than that I could hardly love my S5iiX more. I'm very happy that I switched.
Not going to sugar coat here. Used both. Panasonic stabilisation is amazing and love the features, better bang for buck and features. However when it comes to auto focus and speed. Forget it. People may play it down but Sony wins completely here and this is a feature I heavily rely on and the fact one can quickly switch to manual if needed. Shooting 120 4k or 240 1080 is just incredible for my line of work. Both are amazing cameras.
I've seen so many comparison videos, especially between the Lumix and the Sony after the S5II came out. Your "wins completely" is so completely exaggerated, the kind of thing that only Sony fanboys usually write. In some places the AF is still better, yes, but overall the two cameras aren't that different in this respect. And I believe 30 videos that also provide visual proof more than your single (exaggerated) voice. If people like you didn't always paint things in black and white, but showed a more differentiated view, they would definitely be taken more seriously. Not like this.
@@mathiassiebert1217 I was having a hard time finding good AF tests for video with the S5 IIX, but it didn't seem to be quite as good... which in terms of reliability might deserve a bit of exaggeration as it can easily ruin a shot. I was leaning toward the S5 IIX, but the 4K60 crop took it out of the running for me. Which I hate, because I've loved my GH5.
Simplest start, assuming you know how to properly expose: Shoot in V-Log, convert to Rec.709 and you ALREADY have amazing image that you can play with more if you want.. that's why S5 II X is so awesome, it just looks so great even with ungraded footage. And don't forget you can load a LUT into it ;)
I am a Sony user, I can not use a7IV as my main video camera as it is apsc in 4k 60p. S5II has no difference in this regard. It is not the issue with apsc. More about lens selection. If I invest in apsc lens, then I have no use for photo mode. But if all my lens are for full frame, the focal length is not comfortable on apsc. That is the main issue for camera like a7IV, s5 II. I hope they have a camera like canon r6 II.
After I installed the new firmware 2.0 on the S5IIx, some stabilization options are grayed out and I can't use them at all. Before the update, they worked normally. So, not only do I not have a new stabilization, I am left without some options that I had before.
Interesting comparison. Currently debating between S5ii and Sony A7iv. The S5ii seems to have much better stabilization, better view screen and perhaps more video features for about 800.00 less here in Canada (body only). Sony has greater lens choice, higher MP sensor for photography etc. it sounds like the Sony may have more solid build quality - not sure about that one. Still not sure which way to go for a camera to be used as a hybrid camera.
I can tell you in which scenarios I use it. So if you do something similar, you could be sure that the S5 IIX is a great choice: - Using it for photos and videos on my travels, to shoot videos for clients, for my youtube and for my IG - I also use it in dusty scenarios (desert) and rainy scenarios (even in heavy rain) - I also film talking heads and interviews And the build quality actually feels solid! Feels good, looks good and still hasn't any visible signs of wear.
Random un-solicited statement, you have 2 hot green pixels on your S5IIX! You notice it more at your 4000 iso test! Might wanna see if a remap will fix it?
I already had a LUMIX S1 and wound up buying a lumix S5IIX. I did look at the A7sIII and really did not like the price, color science and the ergonomics of that camera. The only thing that stood out to me was the higher frame rate on the Sony….and while the Sony had a little more DR it was not a big difference to that of the S5IIX. It was 1/10 stop better According to Cine-D DR testing. Cheers!
Great video. Just used the camera for the first time before a head out for a project in the Middle East. Question: The C1-3 dial settings seem to be stuck on Program. I haven’t been able to set it to 180 degree shutter angle no matter what I try. I’ve seen tutorials and nothing seems to solve it. I want to change those custom dials to switch between video modes.
4k crop in 60 is a pain in tight spaces for bridal prep but I can deal with this. The solution I came up with was to shoot in 1080 where there is no crop. No, can’t do that either. In 1080 over 48fps you lose PDAF auto focus and it reverts to contrast based AF like the original s5. This, I struggle to deal with!
Rolling shutter is holding Lumix back big time. Panasonic really needs to address this issue with their next version of this camera. They need to upgrade both the sensor and the processing chips significantly, and all the while avoiding any over heating issues.
Loll overheating issues are practically none existent with the S5iix. And for the rolling shutter, they fixed it with their new firmware update. Almost barely any rolling shutter on the new e stab high
zooms are best option, get the sigma 24-70 and for the widest frame I use cheap tokina 11-16 apsc lens, and I've got 4k 50p the widest as possible as I set the lens on 11mm in crop mode.
After LUMIX you won’t back to Sony. Now selling my Sony cameras cuz after few months working with v-log I can’t look back on Sony slog, and we don’t speak about ergonomics ….
Review is great but I can not get the thing everyone is talking about. It is 6k which makes it easier to shoot for both TH-cam and Instagram. 4k is fairly enough for doing it. No-one will watch you in 4k or in 2k on Instagram. You just shoot regular 4k and is pretty enough of resolution for both TH-cam and instaram
Eine Frage hab ich noch, der Side by Side Vergleich der Stabilisierung, welches Objektiv hattest du an der Sony und sind die Panasonic Objektive zusätzlich im Objektiv stabilisiert? Weil Sigma Objektive haben ja keine Stabilisierung zusätzlich zum IBIS. Am Ende ist es auch immer eine Geschmacksfrage, ich hab beruflich ein halbes Jahr mit einer Panasonic GH6 gearbeitet und es gehasst. Ich war immer froh wenn ich wieder Privat meine A7 IV hatte. Die GH6 ist schon alt ich weiß aber es war vor allem die Bedienung die ich nicht mochte und der Autofokus war grauenhaft.
Versteh ich, die GH6 wär auch nicht meins gewesen. Darum bin ich umso mehr von der S5IIX überrascht! Die Panasonic Objektive haben keine IBIS, darum wär das bei Sigma kein Vorteil.
Sigma has 16-28mm f2.8 L mount. Lumix has better color, UX UI, support, IBIS, screen and price to performance ratio. Sony has better AF, lens and body selection.
No dubt and no surprise, everyone knew that Panasonic stabilizer is way better than Sony. Regarding saving with Sigma lens, they good, but Panasonic 50 f1.4 is the sharpest lens ever, if you use it in good lighting on S1R it is EXTREMELY razor-sharpness.
Let's be fair - Lumix autofocus, especially if you are filming many subjects in the frame is not as good as Sony. In fact its very jumpy. And Lumix doesnt use PDAF in 1080p 50 or 120 mode. Even in Photography its still behind for fast moving subjects. BUT I do like Lumix colors, IBIS and video options more
Fairly disappointed by the super biased comparaison here. I have both cameras and love the Lumix for what it does better than my A7SIII (stabilization, 6k open gate, general photography...) but I also hate as painful it is to get it to focus on the correct subject, or the fact that the cropping is so agressive.. I get that Panasonic is helping your career, but just the fact that you minimized the extreme difference in low light capabilities is terrible. I wanted to enjoy the comparaison but I feel sad for the folks that will believe you and be fairly disappointed by the shortcomings of the Lumix.
Same! I know people using the GH6, but I know no one using an S5 IIX yet. But since I know how good the S5 IIX is, I hope more people will get to try it
Wow, very biased review? Low light at a 2nd native iso of 12,800 and still cleaner than LUMIX. Yet you still say they are both even??? Also, you talk about colors as if SLot doesn’t give you just as much latitude. In addition, any has improved their colors with each release. Newer models are better still. Panasonic AF is getting good but it’s naive for you to even say they’re so close. Theirs plenty to like on both cameras but terrible comparison not pointing out the strengths of both fairly.
You're the one naive. Iso 12800 on lumix is very useable and more detailed than Sony. Also, the af on lumix is very very close to Sony. You need to try lumix. I sold my a7siii for lumix and I won't go back to Sony.
the only reason you need clean footage at 12,800 is if your doing no lightning at all. Lumix handles the 400-8000 ISO sooooo much better (much more commonly used than anyone would be shooting 12,800) unless we're hunting ghosts.
This comparison between the lenses is disingenious. Lumix lens options are simply cheaper because you get lesser build quality and performance. Comparing a 16mm f4 (lumix) to a 16mm 2.8 (Sony) is like saying a Lexus is better than buying a Benz because you "save money". You save money because your cheaping out on performance. Sony glass is known to be better than Sigma and Panny glass in terms of dof, sharpness, chromatic abberation and autofocus noise and speed. The only good thing about panny right now is the usability and the 6k sensor which is ironically made by Sony.
Cheers much but there's more that needed to be included such as breathing compensation lenses and weight and Sony I reckon wins on those 😊 You could see the bad snap back into focus on the Lumix
3 years now and the A7SIII is still the best camera in the market to me when it comes to filmmaking, especially in low light. Not giving a point in low light for a7SIII destroyed the whole comparison here. S5 IIX is a solid camera but when it comes to video it still lags behind and no amount of firmware updates would solve that. It's better compared to A7iv than A7SIII as both are more hybrid than video-centric.
a7siii has such a aggressive internal noise reduction that it's high iso footage just looks mushy. also many people complain the second base iso at 12.800 is way to high that many need to compensate with adding ND filters. but glad the a7siii is the best camera for you.
@@Kickboxritter Valid points. I happen to shoot in HLG (not HLG3) which tends to have less noise reduction internally but more visible noise but sharper details. Why not SLog3? It's safer for wildlife filmmaking and has better shadow recovery so you only worry about highlights and even when the 2nd base ISO is 2,000 it looks clean at 12,800 and comparable to Slog3. I filmed in 51,200 ISO and the footage was pretty much good for how dark the scene was. It's about half a stop or so less in dynamic range so it's a good trade off. Still, I think the A7SIII is more video-centric than all mirrorless cameras with no pixel binning, pixel shift, nor overheating. Also 4K@120fps 10bit 4:2:2 in real time with audio is massive for sport and wildlife. I think S5 IIX is competing with A7iv, and in that regard it leads. Would I go for it? No, nearly every L-mount lens has an E-mount version, but not vice versa.
A7siii is amazing in low light and af, but it lacks all the video centrix things, no shutter angle, no waveforms, open gate, no external raw output, no pro-res, and lumix s5ii x today gets a new firmware update, it has proxies capability, i mean lumix has the best in body statbilsation and colours, but i think both cameras are great,! if you have either a7siii or lumix s5iix, its both amazing cameras, it comes down oto the user
@@OurSweetHideout Can't argue with that, and that's great and Sony needs someone to push them to offer more. Open gate being massive especially for anamorphic lenses. RAW though if it's not R3D then it's not worth it to me, because R3D is both massively small and true RAW vs Prores that barely has any advantage over either all-intra and even GOP H.265. Stabilization wise I think the newer Sony's are better with 8-stop vs 6.5-stop on the Lumix (A9III, A7Rv, ZV-E1). To me the main selling point for A7SIII and its brothers is the extremely high ISO that I want to use to film night wildlife or have organic lighting at night with less lights, just what the movie "The Creator" done which has the best looking night shoots of any movie imho. I'm just waiting for the new A7Siv/FX3 II that might sport the first 2-layer transistor, stacked sensor which would probably hit 1M ISO with richer colors and near 2x ISO performance.
@@Bo_Hazem Sony definitely improved a lot to a point where the A9III probably has the best video image of any mirrorless camera. But the A7III image just wasn't good enough for my taste with its way too intense noise reduction. Let's see what the A7sIV and Panasonic S2(H) are going to offer. Exciting times ahead!
Some of your comparisons were wrong… When it comes to low light nothing can touch the a7s3. The only thing that the Lumix does better than the Sony is stabilization. I work in da Vinci resolve so as far as colors go I can make them look anyway I want. So that’s not an issue. Lumix is also very plastic feeling while the Sony feels much more solid. And auto focus… The Lumix can’t even come close to the Sony. Sony has the best auto focus of all mirror cameras.
Thanks for your input! The Lumix colors match my preferred color look better than the Sony. I have to tweak a lot on the Sony, and the more I tweak the longer it takes and the more it impacts the quality. But definitely depends on your style! Did you try the new firmware update from today? The Lumix auto focus comes really close to the sony in my tests.
his comparison isn't wrong, your biased opinion is wrong. especially with statements like "the only thing lumix does better is stabilization"... says enough to not take your words seriously
@MatthiasDangl Has the A7s iii still the green tint in XAVC HS? How do you grad your footage? Do you use color management? I see you use Premier Pro. I use Davinci Resolve with color management and I don't have problems with skintones since I use a grey card for white balance.
The choice of camera must be made based on needs... for me 6K is fantastic (something I often see underestimated) also because the file doesn't weigh down the computer and can be managed like a 4K. For brightness I always try to stay within ISO 6400 which is more than enough for me. We'll see autofocus in the new firmware update... but I almost always use manual focus and I would also use it with the Sony which if it's even better you can never be guaranteed that you won't make mistakes.
AND while the S5II may work for some :) HERE my beef with the Panasonic S system as a filmer and photographer. So while the S series may work for you :) For me it has one >>MORTAL FLAWMORTAL FLAW
if you buy the Panasonic you loose money because it's use is limited ... see here why >>>>> The Panasonic S -system has one MORTAL FLAW: And that >>MORTAL FLAW
@@mamumonkan I can't find a single instance where you would need that feature. I do agree with you that they should implement it, but only amateurs would want to ever use that.
It's definitely not. I have a pretty decent editing PC with RTX 3080, i7 12800k and 32gb ram and in Davinci resolve, it still struggles sooooooooooooooooo much harder than on my Macbook which can easily play back multiple 4k streams at a time with some effects.
@sonacphotos haha really because I have i7 12700 32gb of ram and a 3070 ti had no problem playing back multiple 6k videos must be problem on your end as mac isn't as fast
@@harryvlogs7833 sure, try that with long gop footage and put in a few effects like temporal denoise and a full grade stack and see what happens. mac has very application specific optimization, hardware wise it might not be as fast as my desktop, but thats only one piece to the puzzle if software optimization isn't there.
Refurbished 5SIi, $1400. Lumix 50/1.8. Apple Silicon M1 (no need for outdated RAW codecs or clunky external drives). DaVinci free version. It's a wonderful time to be a filmmaker.
The S5iiX's Boost I.S. is NOT intended for tripod moves. It is meant to emulate a locked-off shot (no panning/tilting), if you do try tripod moves Boost I.S. will give you jerky rubber-bandey moves as it tries to keep the shot still and then runs out of compensation range.
In practice, the Boost I. S. really improved my tripod-like camera movements. Especially when performing them at a consistant speed.
But I just opened up the S5 IIX manual and you're right!
"Increase the effectiveness of the image stabilizer during video recording. This effect can help provide a stable composition when you want to perform recording from a fixed perspective."
I buyed a S5IIX. A great camera. Great collors, great ISO, autofocus and others points that made this camera my best experience in filmaking.
I have the S5IIX and I'm in love with it!. Such a beast of a camera!.
You can also get an MC_11 adapter and use Canon EF lenses, and they will work great on the LUMIX.
I switched from Sony (I had an A7SIII and A7IV) to two S5IIX and I wouldn't go back. Better image, stabilization, durability, photo preview via app (doesn't crash).
Thanks for sharing your experience!
And what about autofocus in photography? im goig to choose between sony or lumix...
Panasonic colours are not praised enough and that IBIS is from another planet. Can't wait to see what they will unveil soon.
Im excited as well!
Can't wait for the S1H II 🤞
They fucked us again
..still no s1h ii@@JS_Leger
Great video. For the extra cost of A7Siii, one can by a DJI Osmo Pocket 3 and get high frame rates and a superb gimbal shots etc and a real backup if the main cam is down for any issue.
Very true! I mean the Osmo Pocket won't deliver the same quality, but in some scenarios it can be good to have a DLSM setup paired with a flexibel all-in-one setup (dji osmo pocket 3). I currently see many car guys mounting an osmo pocket outside of the car, would love to try that.
I got rid of my A7siii for a Lumix S5 ii because the A7Siii is like a full frame point and shoot with no control plus I was uninspired by the image. It was a cool camera but it's overhyped in my opinion.
How do you like the S5 II?
I love it because it offers cinema camera like control and mirrorless camera convenience @MatthiasDangl
A7s III is also a fairly old camera at this point (released 2020), while S5ii is newer(2023).
You're right but I just don't like Sony cameras in general. They are great cameras but they aren't for me. @Omgiamsotriggered
@@Bigcookfilms Yeah same, Lumix is 10 times better bang for buck, in my local store A7iv is 2800€ just for body, while u can find insane sale bundles of S5iiX Lumix with 20-60mm+50mm 1.8 or even a 24-105 f4 for the same price. However Sony is a market leader in AF and thats a fact, so for any video where ure not using a manual youre missing out by not using Sony.
With the new firmware, I'd argue that the S5 IIX is even better value against the Sony A7IV. The other point, when have you seen such a feature release from a "free" firmware from any camera company?
2:00 - SteadyShot Active is a form of electronic stabilization. I know you know this, but it makes it even worse for Sony ... why? Try recording handheld like that with some motion blur, like in a proper movie. The 180 degree shutter angle rule with an ND filter for example. Enable SteadyShot Active; you will see artifacts in the motion blur where the electronic stabilization has shifted the frame. Meanwhile, the Lumix (even with just IBIS on only and no EIS) is far more stable, and IBIS only will not cause artifacts in motion blur (aside from normal shakes). Sony was designed for photography first, video second. The E-mount is not large enough to have the sensor shift far enough, so Sony depends on EIS in handheld video, which is pretty bad for serious video. Most Sony shooters don't even use ND filters, they can't tell me how many stops an ND64 is, they don't know their f-stop chart in 1/3rd increments, that is incredibly amatuerish. EIS is fine for a GoPro, but should generally be avoided for professional shooting. It's true that most cinema cameras don't have IBIS as well, but at least IBIS can allow you to do a lot handheld, without having to worry about artifacts in your motion blur. I've used Panasonic for 10 years. I would never use Sony, no matter how popular it is. There's no excuse not to have shutter angle for example, which can easily be implemented in software, but we know how Sony is with firmware updates. Thanks for the comparison. Choose Lumix over Sony. Be smart, learn your equipment :)
I'm a independent filmmaker. I though of buying sony fx3 for my upcoming project. Now I'm confused between fx3 and S5 IIX. I mostly use natural/low light indoor shoots. Please suggest me a camera.
@@changeguys Both of these cameras are excellent. It really depends on what you plan to do. I manual focus all the time, I've gotten good at it. I was DOP and focus puller on a 4 day short film set, I rarely missed. I've manually focused for 10 years. The S5 IIX is probably like 90% as good as Sony at video autofocus for most things. Panasonic still has more latency in HDMI than Sony, but in other ways, I think the S5 IIX is the better camera overall. You can reduce noise reduction on all Panasonic cameras to a minimal amount, no you don't need a Sony Burano for $25,000 for that "special" feature, you can do it on pretty much any Panasonic. This means LongGOP and All-I become practical choices, as you get a decent noise pattern for Neat Video to build a noise profile with, eliminating the need to use ProRes for an extra half stop or so of details in the shadows after noise reduction in post (just get exposure and white balance close to correct in camera). Sony uses heavy internal noise reduction, the S5 IIX has dual native ISO and is plenty good in low light, probably around 80% as good as the Sony. If one lights their scenes even with rudimentary lighting, any camera can be used. It also depends on lenses. Sony has more faster primes to choose from (yet they suffer from more focus breathing than Panasonic, and digital cropping for focus breathing compensation option on Sony will be noticeable if using 180 degree shutter angle). Panasonic does have a nice series of f/1.8 primes (18, 24, 35, 50, 85) but they don't really have anything faster unless you look into Sigma. Finally, Panasonic has better stabilization than Sony because the mount is larger. Sony E-mount is too small, the system will never have good physical stabilization and depends on EIS. Sony is a photography system with video as an after thought, while Panasonic (for the price) always has better video features. I personally would go with the Panasonic. I don't care how popular Sony is, I thoroughly enjoy Panasonic as I'm primarily a videographer. However, Sony may be better considering specific use cases.
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I wish you would have done a more in depth autofocus comparison. That has always been my sticking point with Lumex. Seems like they have gotten better but how does it compare? Probably too late for me to switch as I have lots of Sony glass but you can definitely help future filmmakers save $$$
And think of all the video analysis features you get with the LUMIX!!!! Syncro Scan, waveforms, Luminous spot meter, shutter angle. The S-5 is so much more video oriented. Plus you can save time by recording your favorite LUT in camera while shooting LOG. And Pro Res is a dream for grading in fCP. Colors always looked weird to me on Sony, but you're 100% right, colors on the Panasonic are much more natural looking, plus you can shoot in C4K.
The Panasonic is such a knockout image. It always looks gorgeous. Best camera, best value. Sony bells and whistles do not make up for such failures in providing fundamental things while shooting video.
impressed by the lumix! what do you think about the simga f2.8 16-28?
Good alternative! But I personally prefer the 16-35 f4 because I use 35mm a lot
Great Video! I'm currently using the GH5 and looking to upgrade to a new full-frame camera. I'm torn between the S5iix and the FX3. Do you think the extra cost for the FX3 is worth it? I’ve watched several footage videos from both cameras on TH-cam, especially in the music video genre, and I find Sony’s look much more modern and cinematic.
Thank you! The FX3 is a great camera as well and the good point is that there is no cropping in slowmo. But if you also plan to film music videos, I’d rather also spend budget on portable lighting and some accessories. So it depends on your budget.
@@MatthiasDangl I do have same doubt. But i do lot of low-light/natural indoor shooting. which camera do I need to prefer? I'm a independent filmmaker. Please suggest me a camera. I can spend money on fx3. But if there is a chance I would like invest more money on quality audio equipment.
@@changeguystry renting each camera for a day, in some cases 4000 being the second native is better than 12k (depends on the use case)
@@nileshjaitly I did the same and the results are surprising. Noise levels are handled better at Sony if the ISO value is above the base ISO 12800. Below the base ISO 12800, I find lumix is doing good job than fx3 while handling the noise and dynamic range.
You did a great job. Thank you. I wonder with which camera you filmed yourself in your studio?
think i'm gonna trade in my sony for the lumix...tired of the horrible image stagalization from sony...thanks for this video! really enjoyed it
Excellent video!
The only thing I envy about the a7SIII is the whopping 8.7 ms rolling shutter (S5IIX has 22 ms) and having the option to ''fully'' disable the sharpening without having to go RAW externally, unlike on the S5IIX where there is still some visible sharpening applied, even when it's set to 0 in the menu.
Latest firmware update fixed this in my camera, it's less sharp with is great, however you cannot disable noise reduction on the a7sIII which is still a problem
Great video, well presented and hits on all the pertinent points. As someone who has used both Sony and Lumix in one man hybrid shooting foreign field work, I totally agree with your assesment. The auto focus needs work still (tough tracking please!) but other than that I could hardly love my S5iiX more. I'm very happy that I switched.
Not going to sugar coat here. Used both. Panasonic stabilisation is amazing and love the features, better bang for buck and features. However when it comes to auto focus and speed. Forget it. People may play it down but Sony wins completely here and this is a feature I heavily rely on and the fact one can quickly switch to manual if needed. Shooting 120 4k or 240 1080 is just incredible for my line of work. Both are amazing cameras.
I've seen so many comparison videos, especially between the Lumix and the Sony after the S5II came out. Your "wins completely" is so completely exaggerated, the kind of thing that only Sony fanboys usually write. In some places the AF is still better, yes, but overall the two cameras aren't that different in this respect. And I believe 30 videos that also provide visual proof more than your single (exaggerated) voice. If people like you didn't always paint things in black and white, but showed a more differentiated view, they would definitely be taken more seriously. Not like this.
@@mathiassiebert1217 I was having a hard time finding good AF tests for video with the S5 IIX, but it didn't seem to be quite as good... which in terms of reliability might deserve a bit of exaggeration as it can easily ruin a shot. I was leaning toward the S5 IIX, but the 4K60 crop took it out of the running for me. Which I hate, because I've loved my GH5.
ottimo video! cosa pensi sia migliore tra Lumix S5II e Sony FX30 ?
Hey dude, nice video - new sub ;-). the E-Stab High also nearly removes all rolling shutter effect. Cheers.
Very good comparison. Well done. I'm a gh6 user and think I will switch to the S5ii
Happy to hear that!
I bought the S5iiX yesterday - I'm in love and broke 😂 - love it!!
Enjoy it!! Pretty sure this camera can make you some money back hahah
Amazing video, could you do a video on how you made the S5IIX look so cinematic :) Grading or film emulators etc
Simplest start, assuming you know how to properly expose: Shoot in V-Log, convert to Rec.709 and you ALREADY have amazing image that you can play with more if you want.. that's why S5 II X is so awesome, it just looks so great even with ungraded footage. And don't forget you can load a LUT into it ;)
I am a Sony user, I can not use a7IV as my main video camera as it is apsc in 4k 60p. S5II has no difference in this regard. It is not the issue with apsc. More about lens selection. If I invest in apsc lens, then I have no use for photo mode. But if all my lens are for full frame, the focal length is not comfortable on apsc. That is the main issue for camera like a7IV, s5 II. I hope they have a camera like canon r6 II.
Yeah I hope future Lumix' camera will be able to shoot 4k slowmo without cropping
After I installed the new firmware 2.0 on the S5IIx, some stabilization options are grayed out and I can't use them at all. Before the update, they worked normally. So, not only do I not have a new stabilization, I am left without some options that I had before.
What's up with that. I noticed it on mine, but on the s5ii, the option is not greyed out.
Where can we see the video you made at South America? It looks so interesting
More clips are on my LUMIX REVIEW video and on my IG @matthias.dangl 🙌🏼
Interesting comparison. Currently debating between S5ii and Sony A7iv. The S5ii seems to have much better stabilization, better view screen and perhaps more video features for about 800.00 less here in Canada (body only). Sony has greater lens choice, higher MP sensor for photography etc. it sounds like the Sony may have more solid build quality - not sure about that one. Still not sure which way to go for a camera to be used as a hybrid camera.
Depends on what your use case is…I’m guessing video but what are your goals for it
Im a sony user but between those 2 the s5iix wins hands down. For me its A7S3 > S52x > A74, heck i prefer the a6700 than the a74
@@madmancasacreativa3Thanks for your views. Sometimes it seems the Sony A7iv is given God-like status. And yet the S5ii sounds superior in many ways.
@@d2kinu874 Both video and photos from closeup to telephoto. Talking heads, scenery, product reviews etc. Perhaps more video than photography.
I can tell you in which scenarios I use it. So if you do something similar, you could be sure that the S5 IIX is a great choice:
- Using it for photos and videos on my travels, to shoot videos for clients, for my youtube and for my IG
- I also use it in dusty scenarios (desert) and rainy scenarios (even in heavy rain)
- I also film talking heads and interviews
And the build quality actually feels solid! Feels good, looks good and still hasn't any visible signs of wear.
Are your LUT's compatible with FCXP?
Sure thing 🙌🏼
Random un-solicited statement, you have 2 hot green pixels on your S5IIX! You notice it more at your 4000 iso test! Might wanna see if a remap will fix it?
The open gate resolution really is massive. It is actually 3x of normal 4K resolution
How is it 3x more?
Vielen Dank für diese tolle Einführung in diese neue Kamera. Vielleicht interessieren Sie sich für SmallRig-Produkte?
Gerne! Vielleicht
Do you have problems with "hot/dead pixels?" appearing at certain ISO values etc?
Not that I've noticed any yet
@@MatthiasDangl 07:50 part of the video on left video there is "white dot" at lumix camera. This is what i meant, unless its reflection in lens?
I already had a LUMIX S1 and wound up buying a lumix S5IIX. I did look at the A7sIII and really did not like the price, color science and the ergonomics of that camera. The only thing that stood out to me was the higher frame rate on the Sony….and while the Sony had a little more DR it was not a big difference to that of the S5IIX. It was 1/10 stop better According to Cine-D DR testing. Cheers!
Great video! super helpful. The Lumix is also takes amazing photos, thats adds a tonne more value too :)
Great video. Just used the camera for the first time before a head out for a project in the Middle East.
Question: The C1-3 dial settings seem to be stuck on Program. I haven’t been able to set it to 180 degree shutter angle no matter what I try. I’ve seen tutorials and nothing seems to solve it. I want to change those custom dials to switch between video modes.
Fantastic video. Thank you for sharing !!
Thank you!
4k crop in 60 is a pain in tight spaces for bridal prep but I can deal with this. The solution I came up with was to shoot in 1080 where there is no crop. No, can’t do that either. In 1080 over 48fps you lose PDAF auto focus and it reverts to contrast based AF like the original s5. This, I struggle to deal with!
Buy Sigma 18-50 f/2.8 or 16f/1.4 for crop 4k60p.
Buy 16-28 La mount
Rolling shutter is holding Lumix back big time. Panasonic really needs to address this issue with their next version of this camera. They need to upgrade both the sensor and the processing chips significantly, and all the while avoiding any over heating issues.
Loll overheating issues are practically none existent with the S5iix. And for the rolling shutter, they fixed it with their new firmware update. Almost barely any rolling shutter on the new e stab high
What lenses do u invest into to handle the crop situation?
zooms are best option, get the sigma 24-70 and for the widest frame I use cheap tokina 11-16 apsc lens, and I've got 4k 50p the widest as possible as I set the lens on 11mm in crop mode.
Looking for camera as a beginner for my TH-cam and Instagram!
How would you say the autofocus compares?
Since the new firmware update, the Lumix AF comes really close to the Sony AF
After LUMIX you won’t back to Sony. Now selling my Sony cameras cuz after few months working with v-log I can’t look back on Sony slog, and we don’t speak about ergonomics ….
it's crazy that the lumix s5ii doesn't focus at 50 frames per second
Review is great but I can not get the thing everyone is talking about. It is 6k which makes it easier to shoot for both TH-cam and Instagram. 4k is fairly enough for doing it. No-one will watch you in 4k or in 2k on Instagram. You just shoot regular 4k and is pretty enough of resolution for both TH-cam and instaram
Panasonic is great,but they lag behind when it comes to autofocus. I’ve never got feedbacks from the stills standpoints too
New firmware makes it pretty great actually
Definitely try the new firmware update on the S5 II(X)! I can feel the AF improvements
Even before the latest AF update it Was good and relaiable. Its much more fun to use to photography than my Sony A7III IMO.
Yeah the panasonic bad af ship sailed when the s5ii was released. It's great AF, second only to the best Sony bodies
You are talking as if we were in 2020
Eine Frage hab ich noch, der Side by Side Vergleich der Stabilisierung, welches Objektiv hattest du an der Sony und sind die Panasonic Objektive zusätzlich im Objektiv stabilisiert? Weil Sigma Objektive haben ja keine Stabilisierung zusätzlich zum IBIS.
Am Ende ist es auch immer eine Geschmacksfrage, ich hab beruflich ein halbes Jahr mit einer Panasonic GH6 gearbeitet und es gehasst. Ich war immer froh wenn ich wieder Privat meine A7 IV hatte. Die GH6 ist schon alt ich weiß aber es war vor allem die Bedienung die ich nicht mochte und der Autofokus war grauenhaft.
Versteh ich, die GH6 wär auch nicht meins gewesen. Darum bin ich umso mehr von der S5IIX überrascht!
Die Panasonic Objektive haben keine IBIS, darum wär das bei Sigma kein Vorteil.
What about rolling shutter?
Bad
@@coin777 It was bad before the firmware update, after, its a lot improved. And in Super35 mode its gone.
I use s5ii,s5 and s1.16-35,20-60,24-105,35-150
wait, why did you go to South America?
Sony IBIS is only for photography. The Panasonic IBIS really is amazing but I don’t place any importance on ibis
can you please teell me how you upload good quality like that
love the explanations
Glad to hear!
Sigma has 16-28mm f2.8 L mount.
Lumix has better color, UX UI, support, IBIS, screen and price to performance ratio.
Sony has better AF, lens and body selection.
It won’t let me open the bin file
Unable to expand "S5m2_V30 2.bin". It is in an unsupported format.
Drag that file onto your SD card that's all you do
very good info
No dubt and no surprise, everyone knew that Panasonic stabilizer is way better than Sony. Regarding saving with Sigma lens, they good, but Panasonic 50 f1.4 is the sharpest lens ever, if you use it in good lighting on S1R it is EXTREMELY razor-sharpness.
Very thorough and impressive review! I always thought that the a7SIII is the gold standard in its category... 😄
When it came out it definitely was! And it still is a great camera. But lumix made some huge progress since last year
Let's be fair - Lumix autofocus, especially if you are filming many subjects in the frame is not as good as Sony. In fact its very jumpy. And Lumix doesnt use PDAF in 1080p 50 or 120 mode. Even in Photography its still behind for fast moving subjects.
BUT I do like Lumix colors, IBIS and video options more
I need Sony to up their stabilization game.
Fairly disappointed by the super biased comparaison here. I have both cameras and love the Lumix for what it does better than my A7SIII (stabilization, 6k open gate, general photography...) but I also hate as painful it is to get it to focus on the correct subject, or the fact that the cropping is so agressive.. I get that Panasonic is helping your career, but just the fact that you minimized the extreme difference in low light capabilities is terrible. I wanted to enjoy the comparaison but I feel sad for the folks that will believe you and be fairly disappointed by the shortcomings of the Lumix.
Damn die lumix stabi ist krass gut
2:55 I dont think lumix can shot h.265 422. Every 422 option is h.264
The Lumix can indeed (H.265 4:2:2 Long-GOP)
@@MatthiasDangl Can you tell me in which mode? Because mine certainly can not do that.
I love my a7s3, never held the s5 before, I see a lot of positive reviews of the s5ii but never actually run into anyone who uses one.
What sort of work do you do? Industry is still very Sony biased but I'm seeing more and more Lumix users who are killing it.
Same! I know people using the GH6, but I know no one using an S5 IIX yet. But since I know how good the S5 IIX is, I hope more people will get to try it
@@MatthiasDangl yeah me too, cause I want to try it myself.
@@minktronics I am a novice in the camera world, between working two jobs and spending time with family, I haven’t had much time to learn much.
Wow, very biased review? Low light at a 2nd native iso of 12,800 and still cleaner than LUMIX. Yet you still say they are both even??? Also, you talk about colors as if SLot doesn’t give you just as much latitude. In addition, any has improved their colors with each release. Newer models are better still. Panasonic AF is getting good but it’s naive for you to even say they’re so close. Theirs plenty to like on both cameras but terrible comparison not pointing out the strengths of both fairly.
Look on his face o 12800 especially beard. Sony A7s3 is cleaner because agressive noise reduction and look awful.
Do you even using both cameras?
You're the one naive. Iso 12800 on lumix is very useable and more detailed than Sony. Also, the af on lumix is very very close to Sony. You need to try lumix. I sold my a7siii for lumix and I won't go back to Sony.
the only reason you need clean footage at 12,800 is if your doing no lightning at all. Lumix handles the 400-8000 ISO sooooo much better (much more commonly used than anyone would be shooting 12,800) unless we're hunting ghosts.
Bought a Lumix s5iix
Nice, enjoy!
S5 II X rules
This comparison between the lenses is disingenious. Lumix lens options are simply cheaper because you get lesser build quality and performance. Comparing a 16mm f4 (lumix) to a 16mm 2.8 (Sony) is like saying a Lexus is better than buying a Benz because you "save money". You save money because your cheaping out on performance. Sony glass is known to be better than Sigma and Panny glass in terms of dof, sharpness, chromatic abberation and autofocus noise and speed. The only good thing about panny right now is the usability and the 6k sensor which is ironically made by Sony.
its focus is very slow
I wish this video was around 2 years ago before I bought Sony! Sucks for me.
Build fan
Cheers much but there's more that needed to be included such as breathing compensation lenses and weight and Sony I reckon wins on those 😊
You could see the bad snap back into focus on the Lumix
True that, I probably could do a 1-hour review about all the details 🔥 But on this one, I focussed on (my) most important features.
3 years now and the A7SIII is still the best camera in the market to me when it comes to filmmaking, especially in low light. Not giving a point in low light for a7SIII destroyed the whole comparison here. S5 IIX is a solid camera but when it comes to video it still lags behind and no amount of firmware updates would solve that. It's better compared to A7iv than A7SIII as both are more hybrid than video-centric.
a7siii has such a aggressive internal noise reduction that it's high iso footage just looks mushy. also many people complain the second base iso at 12.800 is way to high that many need to compensate with adding ND filters. but glad the a7siii is the best camera for you.
@@Kickboxritter Valid points. I happen to shoot in HLG (not HLG3) which tends to have less noise reduction internally but more visible noise but sharper details. Why not SLog3? It's safer for wildlife filmmaking and has better shadow recovery so you only worry about highlights and even when the 2nd base ISO is 2,000 it looks clean at 12,800 and comparable to Slog3. I filmed in 51,200 ISO and the footage was pretty much good for how dark the scene was. It's about half a stop or so less in dynamic range so it's a good trade off.
Still, I think the A7SIII is more video-centric than all mirrorless cameras with no pixel binning, pixel shift, nor overheating. Also 4K@120fps 10bit 4:2:2 in real time with audio is massive for sport and wildlife.
I think S5 IIX is competing with A7iv, and in that regard it leads. Would I go for it? No, nearly every L-mount lens has an E-mount version, but not vice versa.
A7siii is amazing in low light and af, but it lacks all the video centrix things, no shutter angle, no waveforms, open gate, no external raw output, no pro-res, and lumix s5ii x today gets a new firmware update, it has proxies capability, i mean lumix has the best in body statbilsation and colours, but i think both cameras are great,!
if you have either a7siii or lumix s5iix, its both amazing cameras, it comes down oto the user
@@OurSweetHideout Can't argue with that, and that's great and Sony needs someone to push them to offer more. Open gate being massive especially for anamorphic lenses. RAW though if it's not R3D then it's not worth it to me, because R3D is both massively small and true RAW vs Prores that barely has any advantage over either all-intra and even GOP H.265.
Stabilization wise I think the newer Sony's are better with 8-stop vs 6.5-stop on the Lumix (A9III, A7Rv, ZV-E1). To me the main selling point for A7SIII and its brothers is the extremely high ISO that I want to use to film night wildlife or have organic lighting at night with less lights, just what the movie "The Creator" done which has the best looking night shoots of any movie imho.
I'm just waiting for the new A7Siv/FX3 II that might sport the first 2-layer transistor, stacked sensor which would probably hit 1M ISO with richer colors and near 2x ISO performance.
@@Bo_Hazem Sony definitely improved a lot to a point where the A9III probably has the best video image of any mirrorless camera.
But the A7III image just wasn't good enough for my taste with its way too intense noise reduction. Let's see what the A7sIV and Panasonic S2(H) are going to offer. Exciting times ahead!
Nah slow motion goes to panasonic with its 1080p 180fps
Some of your comparisons were wrong… When it comes to low light nothing can touch the a7s3. The only thing that the Lumix does better than the Sony is stabilization. I work in da Vinci resolve so as far as colors go I can make them look anyway I want. So that’s not an issue.
Lumix is also very plastic feeling while the Sony feels much more solid.
And auto focus… The Lumix can’t even come close to the Sony. Sony has the best auto focus of all mirror cameras.
Thanks for your input!
The Lumix colors match my preferred color look better than the Sony. I have to tweak a lot on the Sony, and the more I tweak the longer it takes and the more it impacts the quality. But definitely depends on your style!
Did you try the new firmware update from today? The Lumix auto focus comes really close to the sony in my tests.
his comparison isn't wrong, your biased opinion is wrong. especially with statements like "the only thing lumix does better is stabilization"... says enough to not take your words seriously
Mate sounds like you're just biased and Sony-pilled
@MatthiasDangl Has the A7s iii still the green tint in XAVC HS? How do you grad your footage? Do you use color management? I see you use Premier Pro. I use Davinci Resolve with color management and I don't have problems with skintones since I use a grey card for white balance.
The choice of camera must be made based on needs... for me 6K is fantastic (something I often see underestimated) also because the file doesn't weigh down the computer and can be managed like a 4K. For brightness I always try to stay within ISO 6400 which is more than enough for me. We'll see autofocus in the new firmware update... but I almost always use manual focus and I would also use it with the Sony which if it's even better you can never be guaranteed that you won't make mistakes.
AND while the S5II may work for some :) HERE my beef with the Panasonic S system as a filmer and photographer. So while the S series may work for you :) For me it has one >>MORTAL FLAWMORTAL FLAW
if you buy the Panasonic you loose money because it's use is limited ... see here why >>>>> The Panasonic S -system has one MORTAL FLAW: And that >>MORTAL FLAW
Only amateurs use automatic exposure. Professionals exposure their image properly, and use filters to shape the image correctly (such as ND filters).
@@joaocorreiamedia haha what a lame excuse for flawed firmware
@@mamumonkan I can't find a single instance where you would need that feature. I do agree with you that they should implement it, but only amateurs would want to ever use that.
@@mamumonkanIt's a feature for beginners...
Haha widows are the best pc for editing
It's definitely not. I have a pretty decent editing PC with RTX 3080, i7 12800k and 32gb ram and in Davinci resolve, it still struggles sooooooooooooooooo much harder than on my Macbook which can easily play back multiple 4k streams at a time with some effects.
@sonacphotos haha really because I have i7 12700 32gb of ram and a 3070 ti had no problem playing back multiple 6k videos must be problem on your end as mac isn't as fast
@@harryvlogs7833 sure, try that with long gop footage and put in a few effects like temporal denoise and a full grade stack and see what happens. mac has very application specific optimization, hardware wise it might not be as fast as my desktop, but thats only one piece to the puzzle if software optimization isn't there.
No 4k 120 fps 👎👎👎lumix
And on 4k60 with crop…😢but the colors and dynamic range omg
Who cares. Sony sucks!
@@thewalkingvloggingman7152 yes for this preis is not our solution
The Lumix is better in every others things