Not that I ever saw. Mostly John Deere and Gleaner. I think I only saw one model 525 and that was at a farm auction long before I was in the market for a self-propelled combine. @@rosstheoliverman
Interesting story last year me and my brother got an Oliver 430 combine. The former owner needed out of the shed and gave us quite the deal. If we were to give it a good home we can have it for free. Apparently he didn't want it scrapped. We agreed, brought it home and got it running. We hope to use it next year in wheat. Oddly enough before this deal came up in August last year I had one combine now I have five.😂😂😂
Ross, a few interesting things about N&S. They were an old time builder of steam traction engines , threshing machines, and a short lived line of Oil/Gas traction engines. Management only offered the gas one as a courtesy for the customers that wouldn't buy steam any more.. The company position was that steam was, is, and always will be king! After management found out the hard way, that they couldn't sell Steam anymore, or their obsolete gas traction engines, they made a deal with Lauson of Wisconsin, to market the Lauson tractor as a N&S product. Those obsolete Oil/gas traction engines were still on inventory unsold and avillable when the merger took over, likely many were simply scrapped out to make room for the new line. Here we have 3 N&S steam engines and did at one time have the remains of one of the big 35/70 Gas traction engine. The only real value that N&S had to add to the merger was the MFG plant at Battle Creek , and their new line of pull type combines and the new , for the times, corn pickers. All Oliver combines and corn pickers were the old N&S line, and thats why those implements were built in Battle Creek. As for the George White company, they too were old time Steam and threshing builders in Canada. For a time they were distributors for various lines of us built equipment, to the farmers in Canada. I never knew that they were into building Cabs for the Cockshutt plant. There were a few White/ Oliver products around locally. But when the White company became Agco, all these little dealers were pushed out. My dealer here ,struggled on another decade as a mostly service and short line dealer until his passing. The Moline dealers were gone by the late 60s, so all we had left when I started farming on my own in the late 60s, was Allis and IHC. The local Deere dealer ,I had turned to got pushed out by Corporate management in the early 70s, the new dealer was not a guy I could work with, same for the remaining Allis guy. As for the baler and hay equipment plant at Shelbyville Illinois, they were the Old Ann Arbor plant. Ann Arbor came into the merger a bit later , they were builders of Balers and related equipment. The wifes family were into suppling baled straw for a big card board box company in Alton IL. They had a big Ann Arbor baler and later an Ann Arbor/ Oliver baler. Big heavy hand tie wire balers that took a crew of 3 to run it. I missed buying one at a local farm sale some years back, as it wasn't advertised on the sale so I didn't go.
That’s interesting! I didn’t know all that about the George white company either. I also learned something new about them the other day as I saw a front end loader that was badged George white company.
George White and Sons went out of business in the 90's and were not part of White farm machinery. Towards the end they focused on sprayers and 3pth snowblowers, but in the 60's/70's they did a lot of custom manufacturing for other Canadian ag manufacturers, including Cockshutt on top of their own product lines. My 8ft blower was made by them and has lasted over 40 years with no problems at all. It's also extremely rare to go to an auction in Ontario and not see one of two George White products in the lineup.
Oliver had their baler plant in Shelbyville, IL. We used to go pick up balers directly. A little-known fact is that the Shelbyville plant also made some railroad equipment such as track gauges. There is/was a little museum there that had some of the wooden railroad gauges. The double-row chain cylinder drive was always a vibration-causing thing as when farmers would change from cylinder speed they would add or subtract a short section of chain. That meant they had a lesser worn section of chain in the more worn chain so it caused problems. We always tried to get them to have a chain for each sprocket combination they used.
Ross, very interesting history lesson of the different combines and you are very knowledgeable of the combines of how they run. Nice comment about the two fingers 🤣🤣🤣🤣 thanks Michael
Ross, great video. My brother had a White 7300 that he picked up used and abused. We changed about every sealed bearing on it and added the A/C and a chopper. The chopper never had any trouble with clogging once we changed the pulley with a smaller diameter one. Sounded kinda like a blender when we did that... and of course the bearings and knives.
I have a fire extinguisher in almost every building around here, as well as one in the combine and grain truck. They give us one every year at work. Write dates on them so they can be updated as they don't last forever. Great video, thanks.
Very interesting history of the combine line. I saw the other night a Minneapolis Moline combine for sale that looked like the same as the 7300. I believe it was a model 3496 or something like that. I would love to have one of each of the colors of those. Thanks Ross
Ross, this is why even today, I still prefer these older machines over todays. They're far more easier to work on, just parts availability kind of sucks but, then again, so does today's. LOL My childhood were these old machines. Great video as always, cheers :)
I grew up around John Deere my self. All brands of cylinder/concave combines were about the same. Each company made small changes they thought made their machine better. Have a good day! Unless you have other plans!
I believe the 5542 was the last US built machine, looks to be a grain/prairie special, but I seen a couple here in Ontario. Then there was the555/5555's before the 76/7800, probably built in Brantford. I used to know a trucker that came to a plant I worked at, who had worked at Brantford, but he passed in the late 90's.
5542's were built in Brantford just like the rest. It was Cockshutt/White's value combine till about 83 or 84 time frame. Late 5542's had the WFE logo on the side. They were different from the other 500's as they had the the saddle grain tank. Not many 535's or 545's or 7300's ever came out here to western Canada.
Very interesting history. It adds to some of the history I learned from another yt channel. He has several Oliver pieces, which he farms with, and he did a couple of videos on Oliver history. Thanks for sharing this. See you soon.
Very interesting video Ross! I know of a Cockshut combine that went through a consignment auction last Friday. I didn't know anything about it until I was looking at the auction results the other night. The pix of it didn't show any model numbers. It said it turned over and had a new battery. It had a homemade plywood cab. I wish I had known about it before the auction, I would have let you know about it. It was less than 50 miles from me. It said it sold for $500. On the fire extinguishers....I have a friend that worked for a fire extinguisher service company, and he told me that the most important thing to do for servicing them is to turn them upside down from their normal position, and best on them with a rubber mallet. Otherwise the powder cakes in them from time and if on machinery, vibration, then won't spay it out when needed! I happened to be in our ambulance garage at the time the fire extinguisher service ppl were there, and guess what? They were beating on the fire extinguishers with a rubber mallet! So I guess it's true! Keep the videos coming, they're all interesting!
My father in law traded his 535 in 1978 for a 1974 7600. It was green, had the 318 industrial and hydrostatic drive. One thing I found odd was that it had straight pipe dual exhaust right out the side. I always wondered did that come from the factory like that? The thing would really do a good job in corn. He had a 4 row wide corn head for it, and a 13’ bean/wheat head. You could also adjust the cylinder speed from the cab. He replaced it in the early 90’s with a 4400 John Deere. Fun videos
Hay Ross a felly tuber Red Iron Acres did a video on the Cockshut combine plant up in Canada you should look at, Its pretty interesting. When you head over this way to get the corn head your going to have to stop by my place and take a look at all the new combine cylinder bars I have and some of the Oliver combine parts I have. Interesting side note for less than one year when Oliver's building that made heads (grain) burned down they used a JD heads till they rebuilt in another building.. Bandit
Great video Ross. You have so much knowledge of these combines, and really all the Oliver and white brand of equipment, really impressed. Thank you for sharing all the information.
Thanks for the history lesson, very detailed and you are obviously knowledgeable on this subject. I hope you can make more similar to this I enjoy hearing about the progression of various farm machinery companies.
As always sir yet another good one that’s full of infinite knowledge and I learned a lot of stuff that I didn’t know before but man does my head hurt trying to retain all of the information
Yes, they often outsourced equipment so that they could offer a full line under their brand. Instead of re-tooling and making it themself they just bought the best and repainted it.
Thanks for the interesting video, always good to learn about the agricultural aspect of life. Logging is/was the predominant industry where am so that was what I focused on.
I wouldn't mind having one of these with a 2 row head for going on tractor drives cuz I don't farm or anything close to farming but I love the equipment from when grandpa farmed
Of all the equipment on the farm, I hated fixing the combine more than anything. Overly complex collection of shafts, pulleys, belts, and chains where every function seemed to be added on as an afterthought. They certainly weren't thinking about service! And as soon as you fixed one problem another would crop up, sure as sugar.
We had a red one when I was younger. I still remember the dealer delivering it when I was just little. A neighbor had a red one that had Minneapolis Moline decals. Do you know anything about the MM versions of these?
Nice explanation of the history,. I’m curious if you looked at the combine that was on the same sale bill ( in the thumb)as the 100 baler? Was that one of 400 series? I’ve never seen one set up in that configuration before.
My brother in law had Minneapolis Moline combine that looked just like that 7300, only painted yellow. Were they also sold through Minneapolis Moline. I can't recall the model number.
Yes, they were also sold through Minneapolis Moline under a different number. Also I’ve noticed at the back in sheet metal is slightly restyled on them.
Yes. They also made combines and cornpickers. Earlier they built steam engines. At the time of the merger they were selling Lausen built tractors rebadged as Nichols and Shepherd. The 1929 merger had few product overlaps. Hart Parr was tractors, Oliver was tillage machines, American Seeding Machine had planters and drills along with the N&S harvest equipment.
That was certainly a thorough history of the 7300. I love history and found it interesting.
Thanks Charlie! Were there many of these Oliver combines in your territory?
Not that I ever saw. Mostly John Deere and Gleaner. I think I only saw one model 525 and that was at a farm auction long before I was in the market for a self-propelled combine. @@rosstheoliverman
Love the history of the old Iron. Thanks for taking the time to put it together.
Thanks for watching!!!
The old equipment has the most interesting stories behind them, and character. Cool vid Ross
Interesting story last year me and my brother got an Oliver 430 combine. The former owner needed out of the shed and gave us quite the deal. If we were to give it a good home we can have it for free. Apparently he didn't want it scrapped. We agreed, brought it home and got it running. We hope to use it next year in wheat. Oddly enough before this deal came up in August last year I had one combine now I have five.😂😂😂
Wow Ross very knowledgeable and interesting story keep up the good work and videos
Thanks Doug !
Ross, a few interesting things about N&S. They were an old time builder of steam traction engines , threshing machines, and a short lived line of Oil/Gas traction engines. Management only offered the gas one as a courtesy for the customers that wouldn't buy steam any more.. The company position was that steam was, is, and always will be king! After management found out the hard way, that they couldn't sell Steam anymore, or their obsolete gas traction engines, they made a deal with Lauson of Wisconsin, to market the Lauson tractor as a N&S product. Those obsolete Oil/gas traction engines were still on inventory unsold and avillable when the merger took over, likely many were simply scrapped out to make room for the new line. Here we have 3 N&S steam engines and did at one time have the remains of one of the big 35/70 Gas traction engine. The only real value that N&S had to add to the merger was the MFG plant at Battle Creek , and their new line of pull type combines and the new , for the times, corn pickers. All Oliver combines and corn pickers were the old N&S line, and thats why those implements were built in Battle Creek. As for the George White company, they too were old time Steam and threshing builders in Canada. For a time they were distributors for various lines of us built equipment, to the farmers in Canada. I never knew that they were into building Cabs for the Cockshutt plant. There were a few White/ Oliver products around locally. But when the White company became Agco, all these little dealers were pushed out. My dealer here ,struggled on another decade as a mostly service and short line dealer until his passing. The Moline dealers were gone by the late 60s, so all we had left when I started farming on my own in the late 60s, was Allis and IHC. The local Deere dealer ,I had turned to got pushed out by Corporate management in the early 70s, the new dealer was not a guy I could work with, same for the remaining Allis guy. As for the baler and hay equipment plant at Shelbyville Illinois, they were the Old Ann Arbor plant. Ann Arbor came into the merger a bit later , they were builders of Balers and related equipment. The wifes family were into suppling baled straw for a big card board box company in Alton IL. They had a big Ann Arbor baler and later an Ann Arbor/ Oliver baler. Big heavy hand tie wire balers that took a crew of 3 to run it. I missed buying one at a local farm sale some years back, as it wasn't advertised on the sale so I didn't go.
That’s interesting! I didn’t know all that about the George white company either. I also learned something new about them the other day as I saw a front end loader that was badged George white company.
George White and Sons went out of business in the 90's and were not part of White farm machinery. Towards the end they focused on sprayers and 3pth snowblowers, but in the 60's/70's they did a lot of custom manufacturing for other Canadian ag manufacturers, including Cockshutt on top of their own product lines. My 8ft blower was made by them and has lasted over 40 years with no problems at all. It's also extremely rare to go to an auction in Ontario and not see one of two George White products in the lineup.
Oliver had their baler plant in Shelbyville, IL. We used to go pick up balers directly. A little-known fact is that the Shelbyville plant also made some railroad equipment such as track gauges. There is/was a little museum there that had some of the wooden railroad gauges.
The double-row chain cylinder drive was always a vibration-causing thing as when farmers would change from cylinder speed they would add or subtract a short section of chain. That meant they had a lesser worn section of chain in the more worn chain so it caused problems. We always tried to get them to have a chain for each sprocket combination they used.
Ross, very interesting history lesson of the different combines and you are very knowledgeable of the combines of how they run. Nice comment about the two fingers 🤣🤣🤣🤣 thanks Michael
Thanks Michael!
Ross, great video. My brother had a White 7300 that he picked up used and abused. We changed about every sealed bearing on it and added the A/C and a chopper. The chopper never had any trouble with clogging once we changed the pulley with a smaller diameter one. Sounded kinda like a blender when we did that... and of course the bearings and knives.
Cool!
I'm 57 years old and this older stuff is awesome Kool
Awesome! Thanks for watching!
I have a fire extinguisher in almost every building around here, as well as one in the combine and grain truck. They give us one every year at work. Write dates on them so they can be updated as they don't last forever. Great video, thanks.
Thanks Mike!
Great to hear you explain the story of the combines and their differences
Thanks Stephen!
Very interesting history of the combine line. I saw the other night a Minneapolis Moline combine for sale that looked like the same as the 7300. I believe it was a model 3496 or something like that. I would love to have one of each of the colors of those. Thanks Ross
Thanks!
Ross, this is why even today, I still prefer these older machines over todays. They're far more easier to work on, just parts availability kind of sucks but, then again, so does today's. LOL
My childhood were these old machines. Great video as always, cheers :)
I grew up around John Deere my self. All brands of cylinder/concave combines were about the same. Each company made small changes they thought made their machine better. Have a good day! Unless you have other plans!
Thanks!
Ross, I enjoyed the video so much I watched it twice!
Awesome!!
Have 545s in the parts building sometime you need to come for a couple of days bring a big trailer lol . From turkey creek farms be safe n thankful
Lol! I definitely need some parts. I’m gonna try to get a hold of the guy that Moline Dan went and visited. Thanks Earl!
I believe the 5542 was the last US built machine, looks to be a grain/prairie special, but I seen a couple here in Ontario. Then there was the555/5555's before the 76/7800, probably built in Brantford. I used to know a trucker that came to a plant I worked at, who had worked at Brantford, but he passed in the late 90's.
I was thinking that the 5542 was built in Canada but maybe I’m wrong.
I think the 5542 was the newer version of the 430/431.
5542's were built in Brantford just like the rest. It was Cockshutt/White's value combine till about 83 or 84 time frame. Late 5542's had the WFE logo on the side. They were different from the other 500's as they had the the saddle grain tank. Not many 535's or 545's or 7300's ever came out here to western Canada.
Very interesting history. It adds to some of the history I learned from another yt channel. He has several Oliver pieces, which he farms with, and he did a couple of videos on Oliver history. Thanks for sharing this. See you soon.
Thanks Jonathan!
Grandpa had a 7600 and a 545. Great machines.
Awesome!
Very interesting video Ross! I know of a Cockshut combine that went through a consignment auction last Friday. I didn't know anything about it until I was looking at the auction results the other night. The pix of it didn't show any model numbers. It said it turned over and had a new battery. It had a homemade plywood cab. I wish I had known about it before the auction, I would have let you know about it. It was less than 50 miles from me. It said it sold for $500. On the fire extinguishers....I have a friend that worked for a fire extinguisher service company, and he told me that the most important thing to do for servicing them is to turn them upside down from their normal position, and best on them with a rubber mallet. Otherwise the powder cakes in them from time and if on machinery, vibration, then won't spay it out when needed! I happened to be in our ambulance garage at the time the fire extinguisher service ppl were there, and guess what? They were beating on the fire extinguishers with a rubber mallet! So I guess it's true! Keep the videos coming, they're all interesting!
Boy I hope it didn’t go to the scrap yard 😭 Thanks for watching!!
Great video.Enjoy the history on these Oliver/White Combines.
Thanks Chad!
My father in law traded his 535 in 1978 for a 1974 7600. It was green, had the 318 industrial and hydrostatic drive. One thing I found odd was that it had straight pipe dual exhaust right out the side. I always wondered did that come from the factory like that? The thing would really do a good job in corn. He had a 4 row wide corn head for it, and a 13’ bean/wheat head. You could also adjust the cylinder speed from the cab. He replaced it in the early 90’s with a 4400 John Deere. Fun videos
Yes, I believe they did have dual pipes on that size.
Thanks for the history lesson and comparisons between models. Will be cool when you’ve got them all up and working again.
Thanks Michael!
Cockshutt made a very good combine. We had a 428, bought new in 1962
Hay Ross a felly tuber Red Iron Acres did a video on the Cockshut combine plant up in Canada you should look at, Its pretty interesting. When you head over this way to get the corn head your going to have to stop by my place and take a look at all the new combine cylinder bars I have and some of the Oliver combine parts I have. Interesting side note for less than one year when Oliver's building that made heads (grain) burned down they used a JD heads till they rebuilt in another building.. Bandit
Interesting!! Thanks Bandito!
i think it great getting ole equip running an saving from the scrap yard
Great video Ross. You have so much knowledge of these combines, and really all the Oliver and white brand of equipment, really impressed. Thank you for sharing all the information.
Thank you Keith !
Great video Ross. I enjoyed the history lesson and the comparisons.
Thanks! I was hoping that it wasn’t too boring 🤣
Thanks for the history lesson, very detailed and you are obviously knowledgeable on this subject. I hope you can make more similar to this I enjoy hearing about the progression of various farm machinery companies.
Great video. Thanks for your knowledge sharing…..
Thanks!
As always sir yet another good one that’s full of infinite knowledge and I learned a lot of stuff that I didn’t know before but man does my head hurt trying to retain all of the information
🤣 thanks Craig! Just watch it about six times and eventually you’ll get it all crammed in there!!
good to seeall the combines
Thanks Peter!
I like the history videos on the H.P. Olllie, White stuff. I know a bunch about the other Green tractors so the Oliver stuff is really interesting.SEE
Very interesting video Ross. Love the history lesson.
Even in the 50's you would be suprised how many vendors that made equipment for Oliver. I have a whole factory sheet of whio made fir Oliver.
Yes, they often outsourced equipment so that they could offer a full line under their brand. Instead of re-tooling and making it themself they just bought the best and repainted it.
Thanks for the interesting video, always good to learn about the agricultural aspect of life. Logging is/was the predominant industry where am so that was what I focused on.
Great history lesson Ross.
Thanks Allan!
very interesting in fo about the combines
Interesting 👍👍
Thanks Tom!
I wouldn't mind having one of these with a 2 row head for going on tractor drives cuz I don't farm or anything close to farming but I love the equipment from when grandpa farmed
I think I’d get tired of riding one for a whole tractor drive 🤣
Tighter than two fingers 😂😂😂
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Good video, Ross
Thanks Jeff !
My neighbor here in south central KS has a 431 oliver that was sold and kept within the 100 mile radious
Awesome!!
Very informative!
Thanks!
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My buddy’s dad has a Ford Oliver combine self propelled and it has a Oliver build plate
Of all the equipment on the farm, I hated fixing the combine more than anything. Overly complex collection of shafts, pulleys, belts, and chains where every function seemed to be added on as an afterthought. They certainly weren't thinking about service! And as soon as you fixed one problem another would crop up, sure as sugar.
We had a red one when I was younger. I still remember the dealer delivering it when I was just little. A neighbor had a red one that had Minneapolis Moline decals. Do you know anything about the MM versions of these?
They were the same machine just repainted for Moline. They originally were yellow but I think some of the later ones were a reddish color as well.
Nice explanation of the history,. I’m curious if you looked at the combine that was on the same sale bill ( in the thumb)as the 100 baler? Was that one of 400 series? I’ve never seen one set up in that configuration before.
I’d have to go back and look, I never realized there was a combine on that sale.
Hey thanks for sharing this with us! Enjoyed watching Ross ! What kind of gleaner did you have?
Thanks! We had an F2 gas.
My brother in law had Minneapolis Moline combine that looked just like that 7300, only painted yellow. Were they also sold through Minneapolis Moline. I can't recall the model number.
Yes, they were also sold through Minneapolis Moline under a different number. Also I’ve noticed at the back in sheet metal is slightly restyled on them.
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Thanks Paul !
Initials for my son is bob the o is Oliver from my grandpa's Oliver 77 row crop straight pipe makes it sweet sounding machine
Cool!!
Commented to soon! "I had a lot of fun just playing with it." Yeah, but did you get any corn picked?!
Yes! Those two videos were out last weekend.
Nichols Shepard made threshing machines and steam engines I think! If i'm wrong someone will tell me!
Yes. They also made combines and cornpickers. Earlier they built steam engines. At the time of the merger they were selling Lausen built tractors rebadged as Nichols and Shepherd.
The 1929 merger had few product overlaps. Hart Parr was tractors, Oliver was tillage machines, American Seeding Machine had planters and drills along with the N&S harvest equipment.
@@danjosephson6910thank you for your comment ! I knew just a bit of the information. Have a merry christmas!
Yes they did!
I ran a 7600 moline for several years. It had the 318 Chrysler. I used a 4 row narrow row deere corn head.
Cool! You don’t see many of them badged Moline!
Do you ever work on the front stirring on a 77 Oliver the gear box
Yes. But have never made a video of one.
Me and my boss hate changing heads so we have 2 combines
Original 318 were 230hp
wernt there some yellow mini mo versions of these
I almost bought an oliver combine with an 88 engine
How much do you have into this combine
Bit like my cars
That’s cool!
Maybe it was a 1982 N6 either way he was the only one in his area that had a N series combine combines I think are awesome Kool
Pretty neat machines!
Sound be fun games bud fix it
Thanks Alex!!
Ask Oliver 66 FarmBoy about curtain , he may have an extra .
I’ll pass on that.
I double-dog dare ya to drink that cab Mt Dew. 🤓
Last combine grandpa bought was a brand new Gleaner N6 if I remember it was a 1980
Yeah, that sounds about the right era for the N series.
I was a mechanic at a couple different John's Deere Dealerships
Awesome! I bet you’ve got to work on some neat stuff
Awesome video keep up 👆 the great work
Thanks! Will do!
I worked on 4400's all the way to the 8820 titan' s
I always heard those were the hardest ones to work on? Did you find that that was true?
I think grandpa paid around $104,000.00 dollars for his Gleaner
That was big money back then, and now that’s not even a fourth of what they cost 🤯